Manila

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1511617]Yes. I saw it in action today. A security guard asked a guy walking in the mall to remove his cap.

I have been banging on about the incredible delays caused by this mindless checking of people entering not only malls but everywhere else too. The guard at the door of the haberdashery shop always makes me smirk. Someone might escape with a bolt of expensive cloth.[/QUOTE]Same in Cebu RK. Was in the supermarket come department store that opens an hour earlier than the mall. But the guard kept everyone in the store waiting for some mind numbing reason for 10 mins after the mall opened before we could enter the mall from the department store entrance. Then with taking of caps and the endless checks plus the inane and meaningless "welcome to (name of mall here)" was another 10 minutes/

Bizarre behavior and completely stupid as the crowds were so deep there was no way security would be able to spot any criminal or terrorist.

I was in no hurry so I watched with amusement and amazement but some were shop workers who were then late for work.

I think the guards had not been given the all clear by their bosses to let us enter mall despite is being open already. As I said, bizarre.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1511617]Is the Philippines really so much more lawless than Malaysia? (Rhetorical question folks).[/QUOTE]I know it's a rhetorical question, but to the newbies I would add my observation. In malls the perimeter security has little to do with actual security, but rather act as a basic barrier to keep out those people who "don't belong". I. E. The have-nots. For hard "security", individual businesses are responsible for providing the shotgun-toting elite security based on their risk profile. Without the former, we would have the beggars pestering every restaurant patron inside Robinsons Malate. Without the former, no Mercury Drug would be safe anywhere. Hehe. Enjoy, AsianRain

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1511641]I know it's a rhetorical question, but to the newbies I would add my observation. In malls the perimeter security has little to do with actual security, but rather act as a basic barrier to keep out those people who "don't belong". I. E. The have-nots. For hard "security", individual businesses are responsible for providing the shotgun-toting elite security based on their risk profile. Without the former, we would have the beggars pestering every restaurant patron inside Robinsons Malate. Without the former, no Mercury Drug would be safe anywhere. Hehe. Enjoy, AsianRain[/QUOTE]Yeah you're right AR with your analysis along with the fact that the provision of security is an enormous source of income nor only for the guards but for the retired officers of both Police and Military who own and operate these security agencies.

However, as I noted in my earlier post, the absence of guards patrolling everywhere in KL does stick out after becoming so accustomed to seeing them and experiencing them in Manila every way one turns.

[QUOTE=Imagemakers;1511345]The Mandarin.[/QUOTE]Thank you, sir. Never would have known about those Christmas feasts since the Mandarin isn't publicizing them on its website. Happy Jesus's birthday.

[QUOTE=Dashing Don;1511557]The putrid smell of Filipino food is the first warning. The awful appearance is next. Who needs a third?[/QUOTE]If you look carefully, the food has not been cooked Filipino style. In Ph, a lot of places cook to your taste, from real spicy Green Curry. To Indonesain Ox Tail soup.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1511617]Is the Philippines really so much more lawless than Malaysia? (Rhetorical question folks).[/QUOTE]Matter of fact, there are security guards visible in Malaysia. More for places like jewellery stores and the likes.

Now, in PH, you get shotgun toting guards, evening 7-11, now that is a good indicator of PH's lawlessness.

Don't forget you can shoot up people in the arrival area of NAIA and take time to disappear. LOL.

Compared to MY, see how many murders happen in PH and how many cases really see the light of the day.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1511853]If you look carefully, the food has not been cooked Filipino style. In Ph, a lot of places cook to your taste, from real spicy Green Curry. To Indonesain Ox Tail soup.

Matter of fact, there are security guards visible in Malaysia. More for places like jewellery stores and the likes.

Now, in PH, you get shotgun toting guards, evening 7-11, now that is a good indicator of PH's lawlessness.

Don't forget you can shoot up people in the arrival area of NAIA and take time to disappear. LOL.

Compared to MY, see how many murders happen in PH and how many cases really see the light of the day.[/QUOTE]The issue is one of both quantity compared to quality. Theres very little quality in the security personel in malls. Its just random people with a uniform and sometimes a gun. Scary.

The other issue is the large numbers of security are promoted by the generals and police chiefs who own the companies. They will go to a business and say " your neighbour has armed security outside, you should have too."

I think is all about the presentation with the security. They are there to be visible and to hopefully prevent someone from trying something stupid. I don't think they have much for training and I am not sure they would actually do something. Just having them present and visible is a deterrent for would-be crooks.

I seen one security guard with a gun trying to handle a customer who was screaming at one of the waitstaff. He only tried to talk to the customer and never tried to stop him or move him out of the place. I go the feeling they don't really do much besides being visible.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1511873]The issue is one of both quantity compared to quality. Theres very little quality in the security personel in malls. Its just random people with a uniform and sometimes a gun. Scary.

The other issue is the large numbers of security are promoted by the generals and police chiefs who own the companies. They will go to a business and say " your neighbour has armed security outside, you should have too."[/QUOTE]Years ago, I met a filipina in Singapore, and while screwing her, I asked her what she was doing in SG. She said she is looking for a job as a security guard. I was a bit confused, till she said she is trained to operate shot guns, Hand guns. Etc. And is confident Singapore police will employ her.

I was so happy for having a sexy guard as my catch, and stopped it at that, didn't bother to tell her Singapore will not employ women half trained in Arms and non-Singaporeans.

[QUOTE=OneIpole; 1512306]Just having them present and visible is a deterrent for would-be crooks.

I go the feeling they don't really do much besides being visible.[/QUOTE]I think you may have taken this one step too far. More likely they are there to give the impression to law-abiding folks (and business owners?) that there is some deterrence for would-be crooks.

And you are being too hard on them. In some restaurants they actually pitch in and clear trays away when the wait staff get behind.

I've seen them in Angeles with a holster and bullets but no gun!

I grew up in Malaysia in Sabaha, until I went to do my grad school in the US and settled down in Cali. The thing is, it used to be a lot more dangerous, and there used to be a lot more poor people in Manila. The slums used to be a lot closer.

I remember one time, when we were visiting Manila. I was a teenager, and was in a bathroom at the airport. One of the bathroom attendants stuck his hand underneath the stall and was trying to hand me toilet paper. I know I can pull my own toilet paper from the roll. But the thing is, it used to be a lot more poorer.

I think the security is to keep out the poor.

CT

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1511617]Yes. I saw it in action today. A security guard asked a guy walking in the mall to remove his cap.

I have been banging on about the incredible delays caused by this mindless checking of people entering not only malls but everywhere else too. The guard at the door of the haberdashery shop always makes me smirk. Someone might escape with a bolt of expensive cloth.

I have just spent 8 days in KL, Malaysia and didn't see ONE security guard.

It was so refreshing to be allowed to enter and leave malls and office buildings using any door without being delayed by being herded like sheep into lines for checking, frisking etc. All of this merely delays ordinary citizens.

Is the Philippines really so much more lawless than Malaysia? (Rhetorical question folks).

It's interesting that one of my Malaysian Chinese friends said that his family will not return to Manila after just one visit. The plethora of security guards all carrying big firearms freaked out his elderly aunt and they were generally alarmed by the image it presents that Manila especially must be a dangerous place for visiting tourists.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1512565]I think you may have taken this one step too far. More likely they are there to give the impression to law-abiding folks (and business owners?) that there is some deterrence for would-be crooks.

And you are being too hard on them. In some restaurants they actually pitch in and clear trays away when the wait staff get behind.[/QUOTE]I don't mean it as a bad thing. I don't think they are lazy or bad people at all. Typically they are very nice. I just meant to say they don't seem (to me) to be willing to draw and stop something bad from happening- for 500p a day I wouldn't either.

I just thought they are not really "security" like stopping something, but there to act as a deterrent. Now if you are in a bar it is different, they will throw you out on your ass.

[QUOTE=Jack4765;1512571]I've seen them in Angeles with a holster and bullets but no gun![/QUOTE]LOL. I guess they throw the bullets at you really hard!

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1512565]More likely they are there to give the impression to law-abiding folks (and business owners?) that there is some deterrence for would-be crooks. And you are being too hard on them. In some restaurants they actually pitch in and clear trays away when the wait staff get behind.[/QUOTE]I chatted to a guard today near SM Department Store in Megamall and he told me their main focus is on ensuring that staff and delivery guys do not steal goods rather than any real deterrent to crooks.

As SK says, at the Starbucks, McDo, Jollibee and other places they do often clear away trays etc to save themselves from expiring from boredom.

[QUOTE=Jack4765;1512571]I've seen them in Angeles with a holster and bullets but no gun![/QUOTE]Maybe they are good throwers.