Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1763319]....

All the girls at Candy are new to the Sukhumvit scene and have not been recycled from other shops. Which means they are not jaded yet.

Most of them are new to the industry. Anybody who met Candy will know that she has high service standards which she is expecting from her team. I found them all friendly, willing and eager and a good atmosphere at the shop....
[/QUOTE]I think it's important to point out that some of the so-called "jaded" ladies are much better in bed with their guys, than any new lady can be.

It's true that some experienced ladies get burned out, and they stop caring about pleasing their guys. But this isn't the case with every experienced lady. Many experienced ladies like what they do, and they are pretty good at it too.

I remember one time I wanted to take my experienced massage lady in an unusual position. We were lying on the bed side-by-side, face-to-face. I pulled her top leg over my hip and tried to enter her pussy with my cock. But I just fumbled my cock between her legs, and I didn't get anywhere with her.

Fortunately, this lady knew what to do. She took my cock with a firm hand, carefully put it against her vaginal opening which she found by feel, and then she suddenly slammed her pussy hard on my cock. I went right inside her alright, almost all the way to my balls. I was so surprised by her sudden move that I looked at her face. And pleased with herself she certainly was. She obviously knew what to do. This probably wasn't the first time she took a fumbling-bumbling guy with her pussy like this.

And needless to say, I really got to have my way with this pretty experienced lady in our side-by-side, face-to-face position. The big advantage of this position is that you don't need to fight against gravity, when you are banging the lady. The bed supports your weight, and you can just roll your hips back and forth to nail the lady with your cock.

This position is so easy on you that you have a lot of control with the girl. You can vary your speed a lot. Hard and fast. Then take it easy for a while to make yourself last longer with her. And then back to hard and fast. You don't get physically tired in this position. And this means that you can last with your lady for a long, long time. All you need to do is slow down with her, when you feel that you are about to cum inside her.

This position is also pretty good if you want to play with her ass, while you are nailing her. Her ass is yours for the taking, as far as your hands are concerned, especially if you put your bottom arm under her body to reach for her ass. You can nail the lady better, when you hold her ass. And you can give her some anal experience by spreading her cheeks and pressing her anal sphincter against your moving cock inside her pussy. You can actually feel your cock move inside her, when you press on her anal sphincter with your hand.

This position has many advantages, including the fact that you can suck on her tits, and you can even reach between you and her to play with her clit a little, while you are nailing her pussy. When you are relaxed and you don't need to fight against gravity, then there are a lot of things you can do with the lady, while you are nailing her pussy with your cock. And you can last with her for a long time too.

The only thing about this position is that the initial penetration is pretty hard to achieve, unless your lady is experienced and she knows what to do with you.

And that's the value of being with an experienced massage lady, as opposed to being with somebody new. If you know what you are doing, then you can nail an experienced massage lady a lot more and a lot better than any lady who is new.

[QUOTE=Raju1974;1763336]Is there any MP in BKK having Russian / European Girls with all the services?

After a Google search I found only few escort agencies and not MPs.[/QUOTE]I did see one Caucasian girl in Amsterdam soapy a few months ago. In the model section. A blonde. The mamasan said she was English. Strangely enough, she seemed exotic as the lone white girl in an MP full of Thai girls. I didn't travel all the way to Bangkok to be with a white girl so I didn't go with her. Not aware of any other places with Euros.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;1763361]I think it's important to point out that some of the so-called "jaded" ladies are much better in bed with their guys, than any new lady can be.

It's true that some experienced ladies get burned out, and they stop caring about pleasing their guys. But this isn't the case with every experienced lady. Many experienced ladies like what they do, and they are pretty good at it too.

I remember one time I wanted to take my experienced massage lady in an unusual position. We were lying on the bed side-by-side, face-to-face. I pulled her top leg over my hip and tried to enter her pussy with my cock. But I just fumbled my cock between her legs, and I didn't get anywhere with her.

Fortunately, this lady knew what to do. She took my cock with a firm hand, carefully put it against her vaginal opening which she found by feel, and then she suddenly slammed her pussy hard on my cock. I went right inside her alright, almost all the way to my balls. I was so surprised by her sudden move that I looked at her face. And pleased with herself she certainly was. She obviously knew what to do. This probably wasn't the first time she took a fumbling-bumbling guy with her pussy like this.

And needless to say, I really got to have my way with this pretty experienced lady in our side-by-side, face-to-face position. The big advantage of this position is that you don't need to fight against gravity, when you are banging the lady. The bed supports your weight, and you can just roll your hips back and forth to nail the lady with your cock.

This position is so easy on you that you have a lot of control with the girl. You can vary your speed a lot. Hard and fast. Then take it easy for a while to make yourself last longer with her. And then back to hard and fast. You don't get physically tired in this position. And this means that you can last with your lady for a long, long time. All you need to do is slow down with her, when you feel that you are about to cum inside her.

This position is also pretty good if you want to play with her ass, while you are nailing her. Her ass is yours for the taking, as far as your hands are concerned, especially if you put your bottom arm under her body to reach for her ass. You can nail the lady better, when you hold her ass. And you can give her some anal experience by spreading her cheeks and pressing her anal sphincter against your moving cock inside her pussy. You can actually feel your cock move inside her, when you press on her anal sphincter with your hand.

This position has many advantages, including the fact that you can suck on her tits, and you can even reach between you and her to play with her clit a little, while you are nailing her pussy. When you are relaxed and you don't need to fight against gravity, then there are a lot of things you can do with the lady, while you are nailing her pussy with your cock. And you can last with her for a long time too.

The only thing about this position is that the initial penetration is pretty hard to achieve, unless your lady is experienced and she knows what to do with you.

And that's the value of being with an experienced massage lady, as opposed to being with somebody new. If you know what you are doing, then you can nail an experienced massage lady a lot more and a lot better than any lady who is new.[/QUOTE]I believe you have just described the scissors position which I used to do many decades ago with a girlfriend in the days when I could have done it 8 times a day. However, I prefer the spooning position where you are lying next to each other but her back is to you. The downside of p4 p is that pros are reluctant to do multiple positions, they are really for gfs.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1763319]
From a very subjective POV my choice is more based on service quality and enthusiasm rather than looking for a super model. But everyone has different expectations.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I am warped toward super models and very pretty faces, which rules out the vast majority of PSE shop girls and I have to make time to look in lots of places if possible, be prepared to pay more, and have plenty of failures. I can forgive some defects especially as not a tit man, but girls have to be slimmish and well above average looks and fun.

I do however appreciate that other guys are looking for performance. I can understand that lots of MP girls need that to be able to make a living. Many have ordinary looks.

Guys report an ordinary line up often, at various shops. No MP has more than a few stunners if they have any at all. So I don't understand why some posters need to get so vitriolic about seeing a weak line up at any particular time. Its situation normal for me. I was a bit surprised that Natty, spending big money of top of the range La Belle models, really needed to use the "hideous" word for a line up that is probably better than Tulip (based on one visit to Tulip which maybe unfair).

I din't see why its necessary to bash poor girls who lost their figure through pregnancy and are a bit older. Thai girls are generally not taking abortions for religiouus reasons, and don't seem to be smart enough about morning after pill or doing bareback because guy insists. The guys having their fun don't care what happens to the girl or the babies.

I hate more, the photo shopping web sites that try to con us that the line ups are stunning when in reality they are not. So apprecaite if Candy is using some real photos honestly. Some of the Candy website line up girls do make me want to take another look.

Having had a superb looking GF, with good body even though older, its just hard for me to be excited by a lower standard.

I have taken older super star PSE girls like Dao, Cheer, etc. but they just don't do anything for me any more. For some reason, a stunner with average to good performance works better for me. We can't all be the same.

It's so fortunate that we all don't have the same taste. Some say the line up in Sharks and Baccara is the best. I want to vomit instead. Very few doable natural girls for my taste. Someone said a particular Suzi Wong girl had a great figure. For me she was built like a tank and one of the worst girls in the shop for personality. I might take instead a slim girl with no tits and others would be equally mystified.

So I would like to see a little more respect from posters about what others guys like that may not agree with our personal taste. A little less shit dumping. I may have been guilty myself on occasion being mystified with another person's choice and too critical. It is hard to stand a rave about a less than average girl.

We also have different behaviours as well. Sometimes I go to a bar with a buddy and I amazed how polite he can be with unknown girls that assertively show up uninvited, where I don't put up with girls I don't know and did not request. It interferes with my ability to access desired targets. I can be quite rude by Thai standards, I guess.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1763616]I believe you have just described the scissors position which I used to do many decades ago with a girlfriend in the days when I could have done it 8 times a day. However, I prefer the spooning position where you are lying next to each other but her back is to you. The downside of p4 p is that pros are reluctant to do multiple positions, they are really for gfs.[/QUOTE]I guess I must have been lucky!

I never had any issues with doing multiple positions with P4P girls. They all readily accepted my suggestions to switch to whatever position I wished. Actually, some GFs were more lazy in that respect or perhaps they were more fond of the more intimate positions such as missionary or spooning and less keen to do the "porn" moves (doggy, cowgirl, . . .)

I first went to Snow White looking for Amy but she wasn't working. Line up quite bad, so moved to Cherry. At Cherry was looking for Yaya or Angie but both weren't working, again line up quite bad. Went to Addict, line up was a lot better and choose Ice (even if my first choices Sandy / Oil weren't working too).

She looks quite better than her only picture on the website, was smiling the most in the lineup and also in the room was initially fun with slim / firm body when naked and cute face. After shower the service started to be bad straight away. Kissing was "available" at first but she opened her mouth just about half centimeter and just stood there (after that when I tried again later on she didn't even open her mouth that half centimeter). BBBJ was mechanical and after a minute or so she asked to cover before continue it a few more minutes. Of course sex too was nothing special, she just lay down there. Finished everything in 40 minutes (include shower at the end) and wasn't offered any massage and just walked downstairs.

Looks like last time wasn't enough to learn my lesson and at least ask about kissing availability before selecting her (well, this never happened to me before in many years. But looks like I'll have to adapt). At the end, a cute girl just doesn't do much for me if she not allows kissing and she's good at it showing (or faking) some interest / passions.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1763677]I guess I must have been lucky!

I never had any issues with doing multiple positions with P4P girls. They all readily accepted my suggestions to switch to whatever position I wished. Actually, some GFs were more lazy in that respect or perhaps they were more fond of the more intimate positions such as missionary or spooning and less keen to do the "porn" moves (doggy, cowgirl, . . .)[/QUOTE]Yeh WTF, I agree. Pros are much more likely to by to do various positions than GF. My GF is conservative abd doesn't do cowgirl. Basically its mish. Sideways scissors, spooning, doggy. She like to be in submissive role and for me to be the energwtic one. She likes DATY but lazy to do much of a BJ straining her jaw.

She is extremely sensitive and gets off very quickly multiple times. No difficulty to orgasm at all. Cowgirl giving the girl control is not necessary for her. She prefers to be totally relaxed and just get serviced.

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[QUOTE=Francesco24;1763689]Looks like last time wasn't enough to learn my lesson and at least ask about kissing availability before selecting her (well, this never happened to me before in many years. But looks like I'll have to adapt). At the end, a cute girl just doesn't do much for me if she not allows kissing and she's good at it showing (or faking) some interest / passions.[/QUOTE]You definitely need to ask. Open mouth kissing (much less DFK) is not prevalent in the Thai culture. Basically they prefer to hold their heads close together and more or less sniff each other. Maybe they think they are kissing correctly or what they are doing is enough of a stretch from their norm, but it is indeed a reasonable farang expectation at a PSE shop.

SL

[QUOTE=Francesco24;1763689]I first went to Snow White looking for Amy but she wasn't working. Line up quite bad, so moved to Cherry. At Cherry was looking for Yaya or Angie but both weren't working, again line up quite bad. Went to Addict, line up was a lot better and choose Ice (even if my first choices Sandy / Oil weren't working too).

She looks quite better than her only picture on the website, was smiling the most in the lineup and also in the room was initially fun with slim / firm body when naked and cute face. After shower the service started to be bad straight away. Kissing was "available" at first but she opened her mouth just about half centimeter and just stood there (after that when I tried again later on she didn't even open her mouth that half centimeter). BBBJ was mechanical and after a minute or so she asked to cover before continue it a few more minutes. Of course sex too was nothing special, she just lay down there. Finished everything in 40 minutes (include shower at the end) and wasn't offered any massage and just walked downstairs.

Looks like last time wasn't enough to learn my lesson and at least ask about kissing availability before selecting her (well, this never happened to me before in many years. But looks like I'll have to adapt). At the end, a cute girl just doesn't do much for me if she not allows kissing and she's good at it showing (or faking) some interest / passions.[/QUOTE]These gals will continue to provide poor service unless we the punters complain. I have gotten to the point where if the session is not satisfactory I complain to the mamasan. Enough complaints and the gal will either get it together or will probably find another line of work, because the mamasan wants customers to return and we won't if the service is not good. If I am paying 2100 Baht for 90 min, I expect 90 min of good service. Sandy and Oil seem to be the only good providers at Addict. Had a sesh with Sandy a few weeks ago and asked her is she every tried to train the other gals. She said she has attempted. But she says they don't listen and then are upset that Sandy is always booked. She also said that most of the gals there do not really want to be doing what they are doing. That was the same story I heard from Evelyn, who was just as amazing as Sandy.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1763778]You definitely need to ask. Open mouth kissing (much less DFK) is not prevalent in the Thai culture. Basically they prefer to hold their heads close together and more or less sniff each other. Maybe they think they are kissing correctly or what they are doing is enough of a stretch from their norm, but it is indeed a reasonable farang expectation at a PSE shop.

SL.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I have had very few gals in my 16 years here that were averse to DFK. A few yes, but very few. I would say that most enjoy the attention.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1763616]I believe you have just described the scissors position which I used to do many decades ago with a girlfriend in the days when I could have done it 8 times a day. However, I prefer the spooning position where you are lying next to each other but her back is to you. The downside of p4 p is that pros are reluctant to do multiple positions, they are really for gfs.[/QUOTE]I have had almost no issues getting P4 P gals in LOS to do multiple positions. The only issue I have at times is when they contort their body to avoid deep penetration. The two main being when they flatten out while in mish and the "Angry or Scared Cat" when in doggy. Nothing is less inviting than that. Preferable is the "Cat in Heat. ".

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1763619]Guys report an ordinary line up often, at various shops. No MP has more than a few stunners if they have any at all. So I don't understand why some posters need to get so vitriolic about seeing a weak line up at any particular time. Its situation normal for me. I was a bit surprised that Natty, spending big money of top of the range La Belle models, really needed to use the "hideous" word for a line up that is probably better than Tulip (based on one visit to Tulip which maybe unfair).

I din't see why its necessary to bash poor girls who lost their figure through pregnancy and are a bit older. I hate more, the photo shopping web sites that try to con us that the line ups are stunning when in reality they are not.

Some say the line up in Sharks and Baccara is the best. I want to vomit instead. Very few doable natural girls for my taste. Someone said a particular Suzi Wong girl had a great figure. For me she was built like a tank and one of the worst girls in the shop for personality. I might take instead a slim girl with no tits and others would be equally mystified.

[/QUOTE]In retrospect I agree that "hideous" was the wrong choice of words. Usually I like to use the word "plain" to describe girls I consider 5* or less and that I personally consider un-doable. The last thing I want is to be mean towards decent working girls. Actually I have known a couple of "plain" girls intimately and they were very very sweet and gave a lot of themselves to me during our time together. One such girl was Wei #35 from Annies. I knew her before she had her breast enhancements. IMO she was borderline doable in looks, 5.5* at best, but she was the best looking girl in Annie's fishbowl at the time. Wei turned out to be an incredibly sweet shag. A friend of mine really liked her and thought she was a looker, so there you are: everybody has different tastes. My friend took Wei out overnight several times. What prompted me to use the word "hideous" in describing Annie's lineup was my reaction to another negative field report from that joint and my desire to encourage newbies to look elsewhere, but like I said above I think "hideous" was too strong a term.

On Baccara: I think you and I will have to agree to disagree. 555. I like the place. For me, Baccara is like home. I have known a bunch of Baccara girls for a long time and a couple of waitresses as well, so I always get taken care of very well. In addition, Baccara has so many girls to choose from that I never have trouble finding 3 or 4 shag worthy girls. Crazy House is a welcome addition to Soi Cowboy and I now prefer it slightly over Baccara. They are two very different types of establishments. I like the nudity in CH and some CH girls are very hot, plus things can become much more wild in CH compared to Baccara especially when you take a girl up to the 2nd floor, but CH is a much smaller place and the head mamasan is a pain. No place is perfect.

I too know what I like when I see it. I think I am pretty particular about who I shag, but I am also sure that some guys would be quite mystified with my choices. I like pretty faces, natural Thai bodies, and demure, friendly personalities.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1763616]I believe you have just described the scissors position which I used to do many decades ago with a girlfriend in the days when I could have done it 8 times a day. However, I prefer the spooning position where you are lying next to each other but her back is to you. The downside of p4 p is that pros are reluctant to do multiple positions, they are really for gfs.[/QUOTE]I suppose, anything is possible, including a girlfriend who is better in bed, than an experienced massage lady. But some time ago, I've seen an interview of a P4P lady in USA. And she said that one big reason why a lot of married men came to her was to try various positions with her. And she had no problem with this at all. She said that what these guys asked of her was so easy that it was stupid to see these guys cheat with her. The wives of these guys could've easily done the same things she did and prevented all that marriage trouble they ended up in.

But of course, you don't know the truth, until you hear both sides. And the other side of this is that a lot of guys aren't good at pleasing their lady in bed. And a lot of guys don't even try to please their woman. Why would a woman want to have sex with her guy, when it doesn't do much for her? A P4P lady would say, it's her pay. But a married woman or a girlfriend doesn't get paid like this. Her only reason might be the guy being good in bed with her. Which quite often isn't the case. And for this reason I would say that guys are to some extent to blame for this problem. Because guys can learn to be good in bed with their ladies. It's a solvable problem. All you need is some interest and some motivation.

You are right to some extent that even experienced P4P ladies might appear to be reluctant to do anything unusual with you. That experienced massage lady, whom I've described in my earlier post, actually expected me to take her in the missionary position. She lay on her back and spread her legs for me. But I was a little bit emotionally unstable at that time, and I showed such obvious disappointment that she asked me how I wanted to do it with her. And that's when I went for the face-to-face, scissors position with her. This wasn't my first time with her. I actually developed some feelings for her. And what I really wanted was a very intimate fuck with her. You can really hug your sexy lady in that face-to-face, scissors position and kiss her on the cheek, while you are nailing her with your dick.

And that's the thing about experienced P4P ladies. They can't read your mind. They know that you want to get laid. But how you want it, they have no idea. It's up to you to say and perhaps show her a porn-clip on your smartphone to explain what you want. Showing her rather than telling her works better, especially when you have a language barrier.

Virtually all guys watch porn nowadays. And some people say that this isn't the way people normally have sex with each other. And right they are, when it comes to boyfriends and girlfriends and husbands and wives. But P4P ladies have an edge to maintain over other women. Or else guys might as well stay with their wives.

P4P ladies specialize in doing the things that you see in porn movies. Because at least some of their guys are avid porn-fans, who want to do with them something they've seen in a porn movie. That's why you see some massage ladies doing A+ nowadays. And many ladies are also willing to take a good drilling in various positions. All you need to do is show and ask. The only thing to remember is that just because you've seen something in a porn movie doesn't mean that you know how to do it well. If you don't know what you are doing, then you can potentially injure the lady. And that's why you need to proceed with caution, when you go outside of your usual experience.

Location right at the entry of soi, first shop on right had side on entry.
Number of girls activ currently: 8-10.
Owner / manager. Candy, works herself there, so sometimes may not be at the desk.
Quality - 6-8 mostly (YMMV), 2 absolute gems. Yaya and Guitar, Tall & Svelte.
For people who love big girls (Not fat) - try Pang and Kiwi.
BBBJ available with all ladies, (Fon is fantastic at that)
Anal, rimming, duos, trios are all available, Complete PSE oily place.
Rooms OK OK. But who goes there for rooms!!

NOTE: Not all ladies are on website. Sometimes rooms can get quite busy with only 2-3 girls available.

Best time to see all girls: 1 - 2 PM.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1763925]Location right at the entry of soi, first shop on right had side on entry.
Number of girls activ currently: 8-10.
Owner / manager. Candy, works herself there, so sometimes may not be at the desk.
Quality - 6-8 mostly (YMMV), 2 absolute gems. Yaya and Guitar, Tall & Svelte.
For people who love big girls (Not fat) - try Pang and Kiwi.
BBBJ available with all ladies, (Fon is fantastic at that)
Anal, rimming, duos, trios are all available, Complete PSE oily place.
Rooms OK OK. But who goes there for rooms!!

NOTE: Not all ladies are on website. Sometimes rooms can get quite busy with only 2-3 girls available.

Best time to see all girls: 1 - 2 PM.[/QUOTE]Both are worth a visit, but on different grounds. To cut it short, Yaya is more professional, Guitar more GF experience. I prefer Guitar.