American Politics

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2792996]The Executive Branch doe not make laws in the USA. That is the job of Congress, Senate and House of Representatives. The Executive may or may not sign it into law but does not make the laws. The President can issue Executive Orders but they are not law[/QUOTE]And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2792996]The First Amendment is about the Government censorship or whatever you want to call it with regard to Free Speech and Religion and not what private entities may or may not do.[/QUOTE]Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?

In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.

And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2793057]
My position is that a BUSINESS entity is entitled to write rules and enforce them as it pleases, so long as it does not harm people. Here's how you know you are not harmed, you can simply go to other social media sites and post the same thoughts you had on Twitter.
[/QUOTE]Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.

And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.

Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.

Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793235]And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?

Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?

In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.

And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?[/QUOTE]No semantics just telling you who makes the laws in the USA. Three branches of government remember or don't you even know that? Where did I say anything about ok for censorship. Once again I was telling you how the government works. Like it or not, that's how it works. Three separate branches of government, each with different responsibilities. I am repeating to help it sink in to your head. You are only good at making up what you say others are saying or thinking.

Where did I say anything about 2020 election? Man, it's obvious you are delusional. Go argue with yourself. Let us know which one of your make believe identities wins.

Twitter and Hunter Biden, what does that have to do with who makes the laws? But since you brought it up and say we all know so and so lied. How do you know? Where's your proof? And once again, what does that have to do with who makes the laws. It's the Congress and not the executive branch aka the president. Do you understand that? That's all I was pointing out.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2793300]Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.

And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.

Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.

Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.[/QUOTE]It is pretty obvious these lefties do not believe the alphabet agencies can be evil. All they care about is the belief that they are on their side.

Unlike the complete ass sucking douches at Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg admitted to Joe Rogan that the FBI came to him and said the Hunter Biden story was Russian disinformation and asked for his help to squash the story. Here is the problem: (a) Whoever imparts or conveys or causes to be imparted or conveyed false information, knowing the information to be false, concerning an attempt or alleged attempt being made or to be made, to do any act which would be a crime prohibited by this chapter or chapter 97 or chapter 111 of this title shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 which shall be recoverable in a civil action brought in the name of the United States.

So basically, the FBI implies to Zuckerberg he could be brought up on criminal charges if he does not take down the Hunter Biden story. Zuckerberg talks to his legal team, and he does not exactly take down the story but deemphasizes it. He went over how seriously Facebook takes its job with regards to what to ban and what not to and how much he pays for it and how many people are on this team.

He then asks Rogan, "Joe, what would you have done?" And Rogan was completely caught off guard and kind of mumbles out some gibberish. I could not believe it. I actually felt sorry for Mark Zuckerberg and so did Joe Rogan. Later on, Rogan said Zuckerberg had an impossible job, and he does.

So now we know the Democratic douche definition of censorship, and that is that it is completely legal to censor anything as long as it benefits the Democratic party.

What are we complaining about right? Zuckerberg made the decision, and the FBI was just there to help. And by helping, I mean the FBI was there to lie their asses off.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793235]And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?

Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?

In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.

And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?[/QUOTE]Wingers are the least informed dimwits on the planet. Yet well before the 2020 election every Winger had an idiotic notion in his or her otherwise empty skull that something evil about Joe Biden lurked somewhere inside his son's laptop next to the videos of his son smoking crack and getting a footjob from an Asian hooker.

And virtually everyone who was well-informed and therefore voted for Joe Biden knew all those Wingers were desperately grasping at straws with that BS in a vain attempt to salvage another losing election for their historic election-losing candidate whose only notable "win" was squeaking in on the pro Repub rigging built into the system back in 2016 despite losing the vote by millions.

Nobody needed Twitter to hear about that laptop idiocy. Twitter did not suppress or deny anyone anything regarding that crap re the election.

Hell, I almost never go on Twitter, knew that laptop bit was total crap and didn't even have the slightest interest in hearing about it. Yet I must have heard or read something about that nothingness in Mainstream Media and all over the Internet every waking hour of every day for months before the 2020 election AND the 2022 election. Just as I am sure I will see and hear about it until and likely beyond the 2024 election!

What the hell else is on the Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle House Majority's platform and agenda for the next 21 months besides that and figuring out some new and unprecedented way to Crash the USA economy and Wipe Out millions of USA Jobs while hobbled in that sole Repub mission by not also having control of the White House or the Senate?

Nothing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793235]And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?

Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?

In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.

And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?[/QUOTE]What horse puckey. Even Twitter folks said that Twitter did nothing wrong. "James Baker, a former lawyer for Twitter who also previously worked for the FBI, said he didn't act "as an agent or an operator of the government" while working for the social media company. Baker said the company's actions were "fully consistent with the First Amendment."

"I am aware of no unlawful collusion with, or direction from, any government agency or political campaign on how Twitter should have handled the Hunter Biden laptop situation," Baker told the panel. " [URL]https://news.bloomberglaw.com/tech-and-telecom-law/house-gop-opens-hunter-biden-probe-focusing-on-what-twitter-did[/URL].

The ONLY PEOPLE who have your fucked up worldview are people who think like you. You can rant all you want but the simple FACTS are that nobody lied. People "thought" that the Hunter Biden laptop issue WAS Russian disinformation because it had all of the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. And once more, the Repubs in Congress (because they have no taste for actually governing) will waste untold countless millions of dollars and untold countless person-hours (see the Durham investigation) going down the laptop rabbit-hole. They will come up empty, of course, but that won't stop Repubs to crow that they found something but that the "deep state" prevented them from making it public.

And, in response you your earlier rant about cake baking, even FUX Snooze reported that SCOTUS ruled FOR the baker. And that was in 2018, IIRC. So your once-again-fucked-up-logic is 4 years too late. Even though SCOTUS' decision was undoubtedly incorrect, at least according to Harvard Law. [URL]https://harvardcrcl.org/why-you-cant-sell-your-cake-and-control-it-too-distinguishing-use-from-design-in-masterpiece-cakeshop-v-colorado/[/URL].

And if the 2020 election was rife with fraud, as you and Donnie the Dumbass contend, show us the PROOF. Even Donnie's own people (like Billy Barr) said that it was all "bullshit". The 60+ lawsuits filed by Donnie the Dumbass' crackpot legal team never did allege fraud and every single one of those lawsuits were thrown out. Your next argument will be about standing but even the dumbest first-year law student knows that you can't file a lawsuit unless you can show, in your lawsuit, the EVIDENCE of injury. Evidence, by the way, that Donnie the Dumbass' crackpot team of legal geniuses failed to provide. Everybody knows, well everybody with a brain knows, that all of this election-fraud bullshit is just that.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2793300]Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.

And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.

Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.

Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.[/QUOTE]You forgot the other half. There have been plenty to bakers suing, some have proven in court that they were harmed, and some haven't. Well funded on both sides to take these grievences to court. Burden of proof in court is on the plantiff to prove that they have been harmed. Are they promoting sodomy if they bake a cake with the words, "Congratualtions" and two bride figurines? Remember, women can ge gay too.

As for the hotelier, does this hotel have rules posted that sodomy is not allowed. They can do that you know? It'll be pretty stupid because in order to enforce it, you have to have eyes in the room (s). No anal sex woupld apply to heterosexual couples as well, other wise this would beeeeeee, say it with me, discrimination. Yes, heteros have anal sex too. How odd that you are on ISG demonizing anal sex.

Your argument seems to always have boogie men and generalizations. What is the deep state? Which alphabet agencies are pulling the strings? Where ever you are getting the info, drill down on the answer a little bit. Typically, they will have some strange, broad statement without details so that your mind will imagine the rest of the story. George Soros and Charles Koch are private citizen with shitload of cash, they can support or go against anything they want, their perogative. Stories about them usually contain something like, "he's destroying america with his influence. " Usually, their influence is mainly to their own benefit, good on them.

Believe or not, I like conspiracy theories too. But for me they are entertainment until it becomes true, which happens every once in a very long while. And when it does 99.99999% of the time, it has no impact on my life.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2793216]Is Twitter a business? Yes. Does a business have the right to formulate their own policies? Yes they do. Does a business have the right to change their policies? Yes they do.

Therefore, in relation to your misguided worldview, [B]Twitter does not have the right to formulate their own policies.[/B] How fucked up is that? Talk about a reality-defying delusion![/QUOTE]Don't you know?

We're all about the rights of private businesses -- just not when we dislike their policies.

And of course, we're staunch defenders of states' rights -- except for those disgusting woke states we hate.

And hey, we're totally the party of law and order -- just not when cops are staying between us and the next term for Orange Entertainer. Then all bets are off.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793382]It is pretty obvious these lefties do not believe the alphabet agencies can be evil. All they care about is the belief that they are on their side.

Unlike the complete ass sucking douches at Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg admitted to Joe Rogan that the FBI came to him and said the Hunter Biden story was Russian disinformation and asked for his help to squash the story. Here is the problem: (a) Whoever imparts or conveys or causes to be imparted or conveyed false information, knowing the information to be false, concerning an attempt or alleged attempt being made or to be made, to do any act which would be a crime prohibited by this chapter or chapter 97 or chapter 111 of this title shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 which shall be recoverable in a civil action brought in the name of the United States.

So basically, the FBI implies to Zuckerberg he could be brought up on criminal charges if he does not take down the Hunter Biden story. Zuckerberg talks to his legal team, and he does not exactly take down the story but deemphasizes it. He went over how seriously Facebook takes its job with regards to what to ban and what not to and how much he pays for it and how many people are on this team.

He then asks Rogan, "Joe, what would you have done?" And Rogan was completely caught off guard and kind of mumbles out some gibberish. I could not believe it. I actually felt sorry for Mark Zuckerberg and so did Joe Rogan. Later on, Rogan said Zuckerberg had an impossible job, and he does.

So now we know the Democratic douche definition of censorship, and that is that it is completely legal to censor anything as long as it benefits the Democratic party.

What are we complaining about right? Zuckerberg made the decision, and the FBI was just there to help. And by helping, I mean the FBI was there to lie their asses off.[/QUOTE]Yes, the corruption of the alphabet agencies / deep state / swamp has reached banana republic proportions. Openly intimidating and lying to media in order to protect the woke Agenda candidate in the election (which they still had to rig regardless).

Not that I really think Zuckerberg was too upset about any of it. He's a member of the tribe and on board with The Agenda; he's just trying to give himself and his failing website a big of credibility with the growing millions of people who are sick of the entire situation. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Your second last point is the most salient one. It's legal to do whatever benefits the woke left democrats. 60 years ago, when America was sane and normal and not overrun with trannies, faggots, illegals and anti-white hate propaganda, they were all in on "free speech" (which basically meant pornography and other ways to undermine society). But of course now that they have succeeded in making these ideas mainstream (thanks largely to media ownership by people from Zuckerberg's tribe) they are all in on censorship to prevent people pointing out their lunatic inconsistencies and wrongheadedness.

Frankly, we need a complete reset and probably partition.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2793508]Even Twitter folks said that Twitter did nothing wrong. "James Baker, a former lawyer for Twitter who also previously worked for the FBI, said he didn't act "as an agent or an operator of the government" while working for the social media company. Baker said the company's actions were "fully consistent with the First Amendment."
[/QUOTE]Hahaha! The Twitter FBI agent said Twitter and the FBI did nothing wrong! Well that's OK then!

The funny thing is these douchey dem doofus leftists are so brainwashed and lacking in critical thinking skills they actually believe the previous sentence. We cannot maintain a free first world society with such people. Better to separate, let them create their communist utopia and watch from a distance how it ends up for them.

P.S. If you want to know the reality about Twitter, Elon Musk the new owner said that having spent months looking under the hood, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2793518]You forgot the other half. There have been plenty to bakers suing, some have proven in court that they were harmed, and some haven't. Well funded on both sides to take these grievences to court. Burden of proof in court is on the plantiff to prove that they have been harmed. Are they promoting sodomy if they bake a cake with the words, "Congratualtions" and two bride figurines? Remember, women can ge gay too.

As for the hotelier, does this hotel have rules posted that sodomy is not allowed. They can do that you know? It'll be pretty stupid because in order to enforce it, you have to have eyes in the room (s). No anal sex woupld apply to heterosexual couples as well, other wise this would beeeeeee, say it with me, discrimination. Yes, heteros have anal sex too. How odd that you are on ISG demonizing anal sex.

Your argument seems to always have boogie men and generalizations. What is the deep state? Which alphabet agencies are pulling the strings? Where ever you are getting the info, drill down on the answer a little bit. Typically, they will have some strange, broad statement without details so that your mind will imagine the rest of the story. George Soros and Charles Koch are private citizen with shitload of cash, they can support or go against anything they want, their perogative. Stories about them usually contain something like, "he's destroying america with his influence. " Usually, their influence is mainly to their own benefit, good on them.

Believe or not, I like conspiracy theories too. But for me they are entertainment until it becomes true, which happens every once in a very long while. And when it does 99.99999% of the time, it has no impact on my life.[/QUOTE]Whether or not the bakers end up winning, the process is the punishment. They have to take huge amounts of time and money away from their business and their life and family to support their case. Even if they win, they don't get that time back, and they probably won't recoup all the costs to their lawyers. The plaintiffs lose nothing even if they lose the case: they are funded by Big Fag as part of the movement to destroy any opposition to the Globohomo Agenda.

As I've said, the alphabet agencies are the Washington law enforcement / intel agencies. They are a leading part of the swamp / deep state, along with leading democrat (and RINO) politicians, mainstream fake news media organizations, Big Tech, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and the military-industrial complex.

They often work in conjunction against opponents of the woke Globohomo "Open Borders and Open Buttholes / Invade the world and invite the world" Agenda. For instance, when a movement they don't like arises such as the Tea Party a decade ago, the alphabet agencies open investigations and political persecutions of them (see the Lois Lerner scandal and the IRS targeting groups for political reasons). Meanwhile the mainstream fake news demonizes them, and Big Tech bans or shadowbans them. In certain cases, Wall Street debanks them (see Kanye West).

Simultaneously, while the Jews in the ADL and SPLC work with their cousins in the media and finance to attack the organization or individual, they use their links with democrat and RINO politicians on Capitol Hill (most of whom are funded by one deep state organization or another) to get legislation passed, or maybe to get a fake FBI "investigation" in which the majority of participants are FBI agents provocateurs as in the case of the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnap plot" or January 6.

It's a well-oiled machine, all to ensure that regular heritage Americans like those in East Palestine get completely screwed, disenfranchised, and ultimately replaced. $100 billion plus for Ukraine (read: Wall Street and the military-industrial complex), nothing for American victims of the chemical disaster. The faggot Transport Secretary Buttigieg wasn't even planning to visit until President Trump showed up to support Americans in need.

As for "conspiracy theories", as Elon Musk said a few months after buying and thoroughly investigating Twitter, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true. He should know.

Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2793508]People "thought" that the Hunter Biden laptop issue WAS Russian disinformation [/QUOTE]Bullshit. The alphabet agencies knew perfectly well it was real. And yet they colluded with media and Big Tech to create the impression that it was not, in order to protect the woke globohomo Agenda candidate before an election (which they had to rig even after all the censorship: imagine the mammoth landslide victory Trump would have had without censorship or mail-in rigging).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2793235]
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?[/QUOTE]Politics aside, you just need a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking ability to understand that mass mail-in voting is bullshit.

Which is more secure: an election in which people show up to vote in person with ID to verify their identity, on paper ballots which are held securely and counted under scrutiny from all parties on the night of the election?

Or hundreds of millions of ballots spammed out freely to every address in the country, "harvested" en masse from inner city ghettos, retirement homes and who knows where else by Soros- and Zuckerberg-funded democrat political operatives, and then republican scrutineers kicked out of the counting halls in democrat-run cities?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2793587]Whether or not the bakers end up winning, the process is the punishment. They have to take huge amounts of time and money away from their business and their life and family to support their case. Even if they win, they don't get that time back, and they probably won't recoup all the costs to their lawyers. The plaintiffs lose nothing even if they lose the case: they are funded by Big Fag as part of the movement to destroy any opposition to the Globohomo Agenda.

As I've said, the alphabet agencies are the Washington law enforcement / intel agencies. They are a leading part of the swamp / deep state, along with leading democrat (and RINO) politicians, mainstream fake news media organizations, Big Tech, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and the military-industrial complex.

They often work in conjunction against opponents of the woke Globohomo "Open Borders and Open Buttholes / Invade the world and invite the world" Agenda. For instance, when a movement they don't like arises such as the Tea Party a decade ago, the alphabet agencies open investigations and political persecutions of them (see the Lois Lerner scandal and the IRS targeting groups for political reasons). Meanwhile the mainstream fake news demonizes them, and Big Tech bans or shadowbans them. In certain cases, Wall Street debanks them (see Kanye West).

Simultaneously, while the Jews in the ADL and SPLC work with their cousins in the media and finance to attack the organization or individual, they use their links with democrat and RINO politicians on Capitol Hill (most of whom are funded by one deep state organization or another) to get legislation passed, or maybe to get a fake FBI "investigation" in which the majority of participants are FBI agents provocateurs as in the case of the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnap plot" or January 6.

It's a well-oiled machine, all to ensure that regular heritage Americans like those in East Palestine get completely screwed, disenfranchised, and ultimately replaced. $100 billion plus for Ukraine (read: Wall Street and the military-industrial complex), nothing for American victims of the chemical disaster. The faggot Transport Secretary Buttigieg wasn't even planning to visit until President Trump showed up to support Americans in need.

As for "conspiracy theories", as Elon Musk said a few months after buying and thoroughly investigating Twitter, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true. He should know.

Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck![/QUOTE]After reading your gibberish, I got this impression, and I'll be polite:

You believe people shouldn't be allowed to file lawsuits because they feel that they have been harmed by discrimination. Plaintiffs don't pay lawyers or filing fees to go to court. And that it cost the business owner too much to defend their business practice. I believe that is a business decision.

You don't like gay people (men). Curious if you have the same animus toward gay women;.

You don't like jewish people;.

You don't like wall street, Big Tech, law enforcement, intelligent agencies, military industry complex.

You don't like "mainstream fake news media organizations". Who are the "real" news media organizations?

You believe there's a scandal of Lois Lerner [URL]https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/IRS1023.pdf[/URL].

You like kidnapping plotters [URL]https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/final-defendant-michigan-governor-kidnapping-plot-sentenced-over-19-years-prison.[/URL].

You don't like Big Tech (shadow) banning people, but you like other companies to actually ban people.

You believe "heritage Americans" will be replaced. By who?

And, anal sex does not appeal to you.

Got it!

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2793587]heritage Americans like... The faggot Transport Secretary ...

Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck![/QUOTE]Can I ask. What do you mean by heritage American? I never heard the expression before.

And what did gay folk do to you that got you so angry with them? I don't like classical music, but I don't feel the need to insult people that do like it at every opportunity.

I don't think you are necessarily old-fashioned, just missing out.