General Reports

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2482492]It works less well for the elderly, those who have the highest risk of complications and 90% of deaths are people over 65 years old.

There will never be zero risk in the face of COVID 19.[/QUOTE]And what percentage of deaths from all causes are in people aged 65+?

Influenza is not a single virus but a group of viruses which cause the same symptoms. Most of these have relativly unstable genomes which increase the frequency of clinically significant mutations which render vaccine ineffective. There is the added complication of the powers that be having to choose in advance which strains to vaccinate for which is an educated guess at best.

SARS-CoV-2 is a single virus. Thus far the genome has been stable. Indeed just enough instability to be useful epidemiologically. For instance the big source of infection in the Americas can be traced as having come from Europe because the early patients had a mutation only previously found in Europe (and since exported back to Asia). Indeed the cousin coronaviruses SARS and MERS were in some ways victims of their own demise as whilst they were far more deadly than SARS-CoV-2 they didn't mutate to be any where near as transmissible.

This stability makes the potential for a successful vaccine far greater. A more suitable comparator than influenza might be Smallpox where the genome was near bullet proof meaning that vaccination was massively successful. Of course the knowledge of the Smallpox genome came long after the disease had been eradicated through vaccination.

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SARS-CoV-2 is a single virus. Thus far the genome has been stable.

....This stability makes the potential for a successful vaccine far greater..[/QUOTE]

"We know that the virus constantly undergoes many mutations: according to the Chinese National Center for Bio-information, more than 7,551 mutations have been recorded.

....Could the Covid-19 epidemic then disappear on its own? It is far too early to say, cautiously advance the authors, especially since we do not know the frequency of this strain. Barely 16,000 genomes of the virus have been sequenced to date, "which represents less than 0.5% of circulating strains," reports Efrem Lim.

....These repeated mutations could jeopardize the development of a vaccine, especially those directed at surface proteins, they conclude.".

Futura Sante August 2020 according to The Cell (among others).

https://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/actualites/coronavirus-coronavirus-il-devenu-moins-virulent-80914/

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2482573]"We know that the virus constantly undergoes many mutations: according to the Chinese National Center for Bio-information, more than 7,551 mutations have been recorded.

....Could the Covid-19 epidemic then disappear on its own? It is far too early to say, cautiously advance the authors, especially since we do not know the frequency of this strain. Barely 16,000 genomes of the virus have been sequenced to date, "which represents less than 0.5% of circulating strains," reports Efrem Lim.

....These repeated mutations could jeopardize the development of a vaccine, especially those directed at surface proteins, they conclude.".

Futura Sante August 2020 according to The Cell (among others).

https://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/actualites/coronavirus-coronavirus-il-devenu-moins-virulent-80914/[/QUOTE]In this day and age, no one should rely on anything coming out of the PRC or CCP. At this point, even the WHO is totally unreliable. Anyone trying to discredit the vaccines being developed are the puppets of the CCP, the Biden campaign or Democratic Party. The PRC and CCP are doing anything to prevent Trump from getting re-elected.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2482515]I do not ponder on blokes spending money as they wish as long as its not my money.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call it exactly pondering but unless you are deaf and blind tough to watch what is being heard right in front of you live and in color and not have an opinion especially when the individuals start to ask to borrow money then complain later the lady is spoiled and now wants more money complaining about opening the can of worms they opened. One can stretch " pondering " to a lot of things being said here including if one doesn't ponder then why the responds?

At this point I think countries like thailand aren't actually waiting for that, they are waiting for a semi-accepted vaccine. Does it matter if the vaccine actually works? Of course not, but it will save face for everyone who has crashed their economies. When the infections pick up they will just not test or bury the numbers and proceed with whatever the best treatment protocal is at the time. It's all about the show, they need to say they are only allowing vaccinated people in, even though any vaccination certification will be half fraudulent as well since there is no world wide agency capable of administering such a thing.

However to be a little less cynical. In theory you just need the are value of transmission low enough and the virus will generally die out. Given the herd immunity the USA is barrelling towards and that some others will get to as well, even if a vaccine is say 20% effective it may be enough to get that are transmission value low enough.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2482492]In the best case, in the event that a vaccine ends up being found, then distributed to the entire Thai population (end of 2021 ?) It will not be completely effective. In young adults, the effectiveness of the vaccine against seasonal influenza is considered to be in the order of 60 to 70% depending on the year. It works less well for the elderly, those who have the highest risk of complications and 90% of deaths are people over 65 years old.

There will never be zero risk in the face of COVID 19. The strategy of countries which aim for 0 cases condemns them to let their borders be closed until the virus disappears on its own, including with a vaccine available, this which can last maybe several more years, until another virus appears....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2482586]The PRC and CCP are doing anything to prevent Trump from getting re-elected.[/QUOTE]And do they do bad stuff as well as these good deeds?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2482433]Living here year-round strictly with Thais dealing with them (in general) especially the way they think it wears you down mentally the frustration leaves me unable at times to even want to be with other Thai women,[/QUOTE]Only those of us who reside in Thailand understand this fully. It sure is draining living there year round. Not sure how some guys like ET, Goat, etc do it without continually traveling to other countries. Some wondered why I had decided to to stay in Japan and Korea for an extended period last year. I just wanted my sanity back.

Re. The 270 day Visa by the time they get it figured out it will be a full blown 2nd wave with kids back to school and the colder weather below 9 Celsius. This will cancel all talks of the new tourist visa.

Also read today that suicide is up 22% in Thailand.

Finally, am I the only person who was shocked to see live fans at NFL games? What are you thinking, USA?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2482433]Living here year-round strictly with Thais dealing with them (in general) especially the way they think it wears you down mentally the frustration leaves me unable at times to even want to be with other Thai women, to be honest even if it was free? [/QUOTE]Amen to that! That is why I am ready for a change of scenery.

My girl told me that since I can not take care of her then I need to find a new lady. (And whenever I have asked a chick what this take care shit means I have never been able to get a straight answer in all these years.) The next day she asked what I was doing and I said looking for a new lady. She got all sad. No matter how many times I ask her if she told me to find a new lady, she will not acknowledge it even when I show it to her where she wrote it. She will just repeat you have new lady?

A couple days ago she came over without my approval so I acted like I was on the dark side with friends. She said she knows everything now. She knows I was in here with a lady (when I really was alone.).

Then the blatant lies from other chicks. I tell them there is no need to lie. This is Pattaya. Everybody is fucking everybody anyway. How the hell you constantly have your phone in hand and do not miss a message when you are with me, but when we are not together and I send you a message then you don't answer until 3 hours later or the next day saying you did not see the message, battery was dead, no signal, etc? And somehow them being sick automatically means they are unable to send a message even saying so. I refuse to play along with being an idiot.

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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2482698]Only those of us who reside in Thailand understand this fully. It sure is draining living there year round. Not sure how some guys like ET, Goat, etc do it without continually traveling to other countries. Some wondered why I had decided to to stay in Japan and Korea for an extended period last year. I just wanted my sanity back.

Re. The 270 day Visa by the time they get it figured out it will be a full blown 2nd wave with kids back to school and the colder weather below 9 Celsius. This will cancel all talks of the new tourist visa.

Also read today that suicide is up 22% in Thailand.

Finally, am I the only person who was shocked to see live fans at NFL games? What are you thinking, USA?[/QUOTE]For me, I mostly socialize with Westerners from the USA, U. K. , France, Germany, Belgium, Italy and so on and only interact with Thais on a more customer-seller basis. Except for many of the girls I socialize with, of course. But I do try to maintain some of my sanity by not getting sucked into their penchant for drama and constant financial crisis. Recognizing much of that is just a social interaction game they play out of habit and boredom helps. Their lives and futures are really not as dependent on you and your helping them as they try to make you think.

As far as my interaction with the Thai government goes, I actually find renewing my annual retirement visa easier and cheaper than before. I no longer need to make an appointment and separate trip to the USA Embassy and pay them 1,900 baht for a notarized income verification letter each time I renew. I already had a health insurance policy here years before it was added as a requirement.

On the issue of virus transmission mitigation efforts at the NFL game, many Americans have been refusing to engage in those efforts since the very beginning when Trump knew the facts about the seriousness of it, its deadly airborne transmission capabilities, that even young people get it, die from it, are carriers of it and the potential for hundreds of thousands of American deaths from it but chose instead to spend months lying to everyone about it in sync with Xi, telling them to "Open up your schools!", making fun of people who wear masks and so on for his personal political benefit in trying to keep the Dow from tanking again on his watch.

Obviously, that was another one of his disastrous economic decisions that produced terrible results all around including in the Dow. The Dow has not gone anywhere but up, down, up and down again for almost 3 years.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2482698]Only those of us who reside in Thailand understand this fully. It sure is draining living there year round....[/QUOTE]From the outside its easy: surrounded by hot chicks; everything is dirt cheap; glorious weather; endless beaches. The list goes on.

I've been asked many times " I've visited LOS / PI / Indo / SEA a couple of times and want to live there". My reply is always that living in Asia is TOTALLY different to holiday visits.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2482704]Amen to that! That is why I am ready for a change of scenery.

My girl told me that since I can not take care of her then I need to find a new lady. (And whenever I have asked a chick what this take care shit means I have never been able to get a straight answer in all these years.) The next day she asked what I was doing and I said looking for a new lady. She got all sad. No matter how many times I ask her if she told me to find a new lady, she will not acknowledge it even when I show it to her where she wrote it. She will just repeat you have new lady?

A couple days ago she came over without my approval so I acted like I was on the dark side with friends. She said she knows everything now. She knows I was in here with a lady (when I really was alone.).

Then the blatant lies from other chicks. I tell them there is no need to lie. This is Pattaya. Everybody is fucking everybody anyway. How the hell you constantly have your phone in hand and do not miss a message when you are with me, but when we are not together and I send you a message then you don't answer until 3 hours later or the next day saying you did not see the message, battery was dead, no signal, etc? And somehow them being sick automatically means they are unable to send a message even saying so. I refuse to play along with being an idiot.[/QUOTE]Lolol. Yeah, that's the way it is. But doesn't she behave like none if that happened or matters the following week when you meet up with her again? Mine behaves like there was no life or death emotional crisis whatsoever a few days after. Sometimes the very next day.

I stopped running for the fort and loading up with ammunition with these girls years ago. I just stay where I sit with my feet up on a stool. It will pass.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2482704]
Then the blatant lies from other chicks. I tell them there is no need to lie. This is Pattaya. Everybody is fucking everybody anyway. How the hell you constantly have your phone in hand and do not miss a message when you are with me, but when we are not together and I send you a message then you don't answer until 3 hours later or the next day saying you did not see the message, battery was dead, no signal, etc? And somehow them being sick automatically means they are unable to send a message even saying so. I refuse to play along with being an idiot.[/QUOTE]lol so true!

The only way not to go crazy is to play the same game as them and to have a lot of romantic partners and to change them often. As they do.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2482643]..........unless you are deaf and blind tough to watch what is being heard right in front of you live and in color ................[/QUOTE]That's me on a trip, I'm focussed only on the pussy.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2482586]............The PRC and CCP are doing anything to prevent Trump from getting re-elected.[/QUOTE]And Russia's doing everything to get him re-elected.