Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1768446]I was thinking of Oilies in general. The shops you mention are probably all PSE shops that work differently.

I am not indeed experienced in massages at PSE shops. In fact I never had a massage at a PSE shop at all. There was never time for that or I prefered to just rest after a sex workout and allow the girl to rest since time remaining was short.

I have experienced massages in non PSE shops so that is where my experience comes from. This was not a good experience generally. Most of these massages were of little interest to me.

Naturally the other poster mentioning Healthland for a real massage, was not referring to a place for sex play. I thought that was only too obvious. Many guys like a real massage and don't go to a PSE shop for that.

I also thought is was strange to criticise a PSE shop girl whose massage procedure was not exactly to your personal specifications. In fact you wanted a sex play semi massage thing which is not really a massage at all. Like the other guy, I go to a PSE Oily for full on sex. Massage no.

Your assumption seemed to be that whatever you like, for a procedure at a PSE, must be the correct one that should be provided, and girls will all have been trained to give precisely the same.

As Goatscroat points out, the very best girls could adapt to each customers likes and needs, once she finds out what they are. She will have to be told or learn that gradually. Its not pure instinct to know exactly what each customer needs. I do tell them or sometimes I just start doing things, as I lead rather than follow. I have trained plenty of girls in special things I like. E. g. To brush tits and nipples on my balls while giving the blowjob. Most don't use this manoeuvre without being told. Of course only works if tits are big enough.

Some PSE shop girls may be massage experts too, but its unrealistic to think they will all be good at it. Many of us just don't care if the girl has any massage ability or not.

If a PSE shop girl gives a non sexy massage, it maybe because she comes from a more regular Oily where I have expereinced many non sexy massages.

So apologies for considering standard practice in normal average Oily MPs. PSE shops don't dominate my visits any more becaise the girls just aren't pretty enough for me, and as I aaid, I never take massage in PSE shop at all. In Tulip in the past it was always sex from start to finish.

Is every PSE shop girl trained to give rimming? Not in my experience. I don't recall receiving it that often. Maybe it has to be requested. However I never asked for it. Do girls understand the word "rimming"? I don't know since I don't speak English to girls and I don't know if Thais have any special word for it other than the literally explicit "lick asshole". I perform rimming on most girls unless they obviously want to dodge it. I receive it far less often, even in PSE shops.[/QUOTE]To answer one of your specific questions, I never have asked for rimming and never needed to. What happens is the girl and I leave the initial shower, I say I would like an oil massage first (or sometimes the girl asks me first), and then I lie down on my stomach on the bed and play the role of a beached whale for a few minutes. That is it.

For whatever reason, the girls would do rimming during the initial massage, but did not (I suppose unless asked, which I never did) do so during the between rounds massage even if at one point they were trying to arouse you for the second round. I found this curious, but that is the way it has always been.

To put some substance on this, here is a list off the top of my head of [I]some[/I] of the girls who then proceeded to give me a medium / hard massage for about five minutes, then a soft sexy massage followed by rimming, with the girl then telling me to turn over (there is a small chance my memory is wrong and one or two of these girls did not do exactly what I am saying, but I doubt it). This sequence was extremely similar across all these girls:

Fa, Snow White ("SW").

Creme, SW.

Grace, Victoria.

We, Baron / Tulip.

Cat, Tulip.

Teena, Tulip.

Jane, Tulip.

Or, Tulip.

Pammy, Tulip.

See, Tulip.

Bo, Mango (although after becoming famous, sometimes avoided the rimming).

Amy, Mango.

Ice, Mango.

Bo, Cherry (fairly certain she did rimming as part of the massage).

April, SW, now Bongkot (fairly certain she dd rimming as part of the massage).

June, Tulip.

Nestle, Tulip.

May, Tulip then Snow White, now Bongkot.

Fa, Tulip.

Pim, Tulip.

There are many more but these are the ones that come to mind and whose names I can remember.

At least during the time around 2005-2008, and probably after as well, most girls at Tulip came from Nakon Phanom, and from what I understand when they first arrived they slept on the premises (although this latter information is based on hearsay). Senior girls would then train them and it was not uncommon for the senior girls to ask trusted customers whether they wanted to do a three-some with a senior girl and a new girl in training (this was one way the training worked). I have read accounts of the senior girl barking out instructions during these training sessions of what the new girl should do at various points (I'm not enamored with three-somes so never participated as a training "guinea pig") . As a result of this system, the girls (with the exception of those who could not be well-trained) performed similarly, including during the initial massage.

Later, Snow White started up and a couple of the Tulip girls went there and trained the Snow White girls. Similarly for Mango. And Victoria. And I believe Cherry as well. Bongkot has a couple of ex-Tulip trainers I believe, although they were at some other shops after leaving Tulip and before joining Bongkot.

However, some of these second-generation shops (actually third-generation because Baron's preceded Tulip) have lost some of their original trainers, and it seems the level of service and presumably training has become less consistent as a result. I had become accustomed to a certain level of service at PSE shops previously, this was given as a matter of course at PSE shops (without having to ask for it at all). I have, however, very recently noticed that at least at some PSE shops this level of service (or, if one prefers, type of service) can no longer be relied upon.

My preference in this regard is to receive the same type of service that has been routinely given at the PSE shops, and still is to a lesser extent. I'm not asking for anything more, or anything less and to the extent this represents a personal preference, it is a preference that has resulted from receiving this type of service routinely for over a decade without ever having to ask for it. As I noted earlier, I had this type of service at Tulip last week and I did nothing but ask for an oily massage and then lie on my stomach. The girl did the rest, following in what is now a more than decade-long tradition of what service at a PSE shop entails (but, again, a tradition that it is beginning to seem is no longer uniformly followed).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1768561]To answer one of your specific questions, I never have asked for rimming and never needed to. What happens is the girl and I leave the initial shower, I say I would like an oil massage first (or sometimes the girl asks me first), and then I lie down on my stomach on the bed and play the role of a beached whale for a few minutes. That is it.

For whatever reason, the girls would do rimming during the initial massage, but did not (I suppose unless asked, which I never did) do so during the between rounds massage even if at one point they were trying to arouse you for the second round. I found this curious, but that is the way it has always been.

To put some substance on this, here is a list off the top of my head of [I]some[/I] of the girls who then proceeded to give me a medium / hard massage for about five minutes, then a soft sexy massage followed by rimming, with the girl then telling me to turn over (there is a small chance my memory is wrong and one or two of these girls did not do exactly what I am saying, but I doubt it). This sequence was extremely similar across all these girls:

Fa, Snow White ("SW").

Creme, SW.

Grace, Victoria.

We, Baron / Tulip.

Cat, Tulip.

Teena, Tulip.

Jane, Tulip.

Or, Tulip.

Pammy, Tulip.

See, Tulip.

Bo, Mango (although after becoming famous, sometimes avoided the rimming).

Amy, Mango.

Ice, Mango.

Bo, Cherry (fairly certain she did rimming as part of the massage).

April, SW, now Bongkot (fairly certain she dd rimming as part of the massage).

June, Tulip.

Nestle, Tulip.

May, Tulip then Snow White, now Bongkot.

Fa, Tulip.

Pim, Tulip.

There are many more but these are the ones that come to mind and whose names I can remember.

At least during the time around 2005-2008, and probably after as well, most girls at Tulip came from Nakon Phanom, and from what I understand when they first arrived they slept on the premises (although this latter information is based on hearsay). Senior girls would then train them and it was not uncommon for the senior girls to ask trusted customers whether they wanted to do a three-some with a senior girl and a new girl in training (this was one way the training worked). I have read accounts of the senior girl barking out instructions during these training sessions of what the new girl should do at various points (I'm not enamored with three-somes so never participated as a training "guinea pig") . As a result of this system, the girls (with the exception of those who could not be well-trained) performed similarly, including during the initial massage.

Later, Snow White started up and a couple of the Tulip girls went there and trained the Snow White girls. Similarly for Mango. And Victoria. And I believe Cherry as well. Bongkot has a couple of ex-Tulip trainers I believe, although they were at some other shops after leaving Tulip and before joining Bongkot.

However, some of these second-generation shops (actually third-generation because Baron's preceded Tulip) have lost some of their original trainers, and it seems the level of service and presumably training has become less consistent as a result. I had become accustomed to a certain level of service at PSE shops previously, this was given as a matter of course at PSE shops (without having to ask for it at all). I have, however, very recently noticed that at least at some PSE shops this level of service (or, if one prefers, type of service) can no longer be relied upon.

My preference in this regard is to receive the same type of service that has been routinely given at the PSE shops, and still is to a lesser extent. I'm not asking for anything more, or anything less and to the extent this represents a personal preference, it is a preference that has resulted from receiving this type of service routinely for over a decade without ever having to ask for it. As I noted earlier, I had this type of service at Tulip last week and I did nothing but ask for an oily massage and then lie on my stomach. The girl did the rest, following in what is now a more than decade-long tradition of what service at a PSE shop entails (but, again, a tradition that it is beginning to seem is no longer uniformly followed).[/QUOTE]Great post. Felt a bit nostalgic reading that list of names, most of whom I had the pleasure on enjoying on many occasions. Methinks training is a rare thing these days, even at some of the old school PSE places. One gal who just "retired" from one of them told me that training of the new girls amounts to almost nothing.

I too have been frequenting the oilies for nigh on a decade now and I miss the service we received in the "good ole days. " No matter who you took, you knew it was going to be up to a certain standard. And just as important as you stated, you did not have to ask for it. Saeng's would say, "All ladies do everything. " And that was spot on. I really dislike having to ask. "Hey, will she lick my a* I find that kind of crass really.

Nowadays it's a crap shoot at most places.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1768619]Great post. Felt a bit nostalgic reading that list of names, most of whom I had the pleasure on enjoying on many occasions. Methinks training is a rare thing these days, even at some of the old school PSE places. One gal who just "retired" from one of them told me that training of the new girls amounts to almost nothing.

I too have been frequenting the oilies for nigh on a decade now and I miss the service we received in the "good ole days. " No matter who you took, you knew it was going to be up to a certain standard. And just as important as you stated, you did not have to ask for it. Saeng's would say, "All ladies do everything. " And that was spot on. I really dislike having to ask. "Hey, will she lick my a* I find that kind of crass really.

Nowadays it's a crap shoot at most places.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words and sharing some of your memories. For whatever reason, I too would find it crass and a bit embarrassing to ask for rimming and I never have asked for it. In fact, I used to be a bit embarrassed to ask whether a girl did anal, which some, almost certainly a minority until recently, of the PSE girls did not do. However, now that many of the PSE shops adopt the term A+ to describe this, and advertise it as such on their websites, I have little embarrassment asking which girls do A+.

I mention this because it brings to mind what I considered a humorous thing that happened during my recent session with Yaya. I had already gone two rounds to completion with her, rested a bit, and all of a sudden she pointed her ass in my direction, turned her face around to me, and asked "A+?" essentially trying to get me to go for another round. At least [I]I[/I] found her use of that terminology amusing in that context.

But there is another point that follows from this. It is precisely because Yaya and Guitar were so willing to try to please that training of the sort that used to be routine at PSE shops could really up their game. Basically, they have raw talent and good attitudes, but some PSE-style training could bring their performance to a higher level. And frankly, it should not be up to the customer to provide it.

LA Guy,

It starts to make more sense now. I see you asked for a massage first.

Standard procedure in a PSE shop for me was a BBBJ starts in the shower. On the bed straight into sex play and sex. Never commencing with a massage. If a girl offers me a massage first up, I would not have been impressed.

I have not tried any of the PSE girls you mentioned. I had my favourites but different girls and largely based on looks first up and based on performance for repeats.

Some bootylicious ladies listed on site. How legit is this? Anyone has experience?

I have tried Victoria, Taragon, Copa Cabana and Emanuellle so far but did not find girls listed except in case of Taragon where all girls were pretty hot.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1769338]Some bootylicious ladies listed on site. How legit is this? Anyone has experience?

I have tried Victoria, Taragon, Copa Cabana and Emanuellle so far but did not find girls listed except in case of Taragon where all girls were pretty hot.[/QUOTE]Normally Tarragon is spelled with double letter-R I guess in English.

I did not recognise Taragon so looked it up. It appears (Google Maps) to be either a funny English approximation or a new name for Tharnthong (paired with soapy section at one point called "Selene" near MengJai intersection that I have visited before a small number of times. Its a very Thai oriented place. Has a Soapy oriented section and an Oily massage oriented section, a bit like Nataree has two sections. I thought I was the only Farang on ISG to ever go there. LOL.

In former times this place was called Maleena. Google Maps still shows the Tharnthong sign in Thai writing.

[URL]http://www.tharnthong.com/[/URL]

Its possible the Tharnthong line up is above average, if attending at the right time, however I never managed to get a girl that was so good, I needed to keep returning for her.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1769338]Some bootylicious ladies listed on site. How legit is this? Anyone has experience?
[/QUOTE]Thai Models probably lists girls that were really once at the place, although they rely of the establishment supplying the pics to be honest.

Pics are photo shopped. Many of the hottest girls are hard to find. May work very little or have left the place long ago. I have recognised some girls shown though.

I also had a great deal of problem finding any of them after making a short list of my favourite 20 girls pics from various sites and going to the establishments looking for them. Victoria was particularly disappointing in terms of line up well below standard of the pics.

I went to an Emanuelle Christmas party many years ago, so I know they once has a few good looking girls. However the line up has dwindled a lot, and 90% have bad nose jobs now, plus maybe tit jobs as well.

Many places have seriously declined compared to say 15 years ago. Actually the biggest decline in Soapies probably came when Thaksin came to power in 2001, as all the non-Thai and low age girls got cleared out. Most soapies went downhill steadily since then.

Utopia is an example of a once great club, that is in its dying stages. Emanuelle line up is vastly smaller too. Nataree is an exception still going strong. La Belle was envisaged to be a large successful club when it was built, but never reached its potential. I still miss its predecessor Mona Lisa, even though was a known rip off place (for newbies).

It would be nice if we had access to real pics of girls that really work there. Never going to happen.

The stunning Gaew still appears on the Pink Massage web site. No incentive to take her off even though she left there long ago. So yeh, the Oilies do it too. Lots of massively inflated line ups on web sites.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1769461]Normally Tarragon is spelled with double letter-R I guess in English.

I did not recognise Taragon so looked it up. It appears (Google Maps) to be either a funny English approximation or a new name for Tharnthong (paired with soapy section at one point called "Selene" near MengJai intersection that I have visited before a small number of times. Its a very Thai oriented place. Has a Soapy oriented section and an Oily massage oriented section, a bit like Nataree has two sections. I thought I was the only Farang on ISG to ever go there. LOL.

In former times this place was called Maleena. Google Maps still shows the Tharnthong sign in Thai writing.

[URL]http://www.tharnthong.com/[/URL]

Its possible the Tharnthong line up is above average, if attending at the right time, however I never managed to get a girl that was so good, I needed to keep returning for her.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

Seen the website seems quite interesting. Looks like very luxurious ambience, good service with quality stuff and that too quite cheap. Google map shows it is only 10 kms from Nana.

Any more detailed review about the services and so called models? Do they allow multi pop session, do they allow A+? Are the rates all inclusive or you need to pay separately for extra services. Can they communicate in English?

Thanks,

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1768662].... For whatever reason, I too would find it crass and a bit embarrassing to ask for rimming and I never have asked for it. In fact, I used to be a bit embarrassed to ask whether a girl did anal, which some, almost certainly a minority until recently, of the PSE girls did not do. However, now that many of the PSE shops adopt the term A+ to describe this, and advertise it as such on their websites, I have little embarrassment asking which girls do A+. ....
[/QUOTE]I'd say that your kind of embarrassment and shyness with the ladies is lot more common than you think.

Because the lady is basically your hostess, and you are her guest. Being a guest means that you don't just barge in and start asking for things that you want. You wait to be invited to do this and that. Because this is the polite thing to do. Such politeness is so ingrained in people's minds, that they do this every time.

It's like when you are a guest in a stranger's home and you feel hungry, then you don't just go to the fridge and start eating whatever you want. You wait to be invited. And if your hostess doesn't invite you, then you just wait patiently and go away hungry. That's what most people would do.

And that's what happens with many massage ladies and their guys. The guy feels like a guest with the lady. She is his hostess in her home for the day, so to say. This guy doesn't feel free to ask her for anything, just like any polite guest. He needs her to invite him to do this and that with her. Or else he feels like he is barging in and being impolite.

Of course, there are exceptions to this rule. Because not every guy is polite. Some guys don't have any problem with being rude. And even if you are polite, then you might start feeling more at home with your massage lady in her massage place, after you come to see her several times.

And the lesson massage ladies need to learn from this is that when their guy is reserved and shy, then they need to invite him to do things with them. Or else this guy will go away unhappy, just like a hungry guest goes away, when he isn't invited to eat.

This isn't so much about sexual training, as it is about social understanding. The lady needs to understand that she is the sexy-hostess, and the guy is her cocky-guest. Which means that she needs to invite the guy to take her in this position or that position for a ride. And if she is okay with the guy taking her ass, then she should also invite him for some A+. She needs to do this to make him feel welcome with her. Or else he won't feel welcome and probably will never come back.

And of course making the guy feel welcome is more than just the lady being good in bed. How she parts her company with the guy is important too. If the lady kisses the guy on the cheek, after he puts away his dick, then chances are good that he will come to see her again. Because he will feel so welcome with her.

One quick question. I am coming in on a late flight and won't hit my hotel until at least 1 AM. I'll be staying on Soi 8. Will I be able to find a massage shop open anywhere in the area? I would prefer on Soi 8 but crossing over to Soi 11 is not a problem either. I'm am not looking for oily / sex shop massage but a decent rub with a possible happy ending but emphasizing the massage to work out the kinks of a long flight. Any chance I'll find something open?

Thanks,

Pogo.

[QUOTE=Raju1974;1769629]
Any more detailed review about the services and so called models? Do they allow multi pop session, do they allow A+? Are the rates all inclusive or you need to pay separately for extra services. Can they communicate in English?

Thanks,[/QUOTE]I wrote reviews before. No idea what the dates were.

Most of your other questions are silly really, but we can forgive you if you haven't much Soapy experience. I speak Thai very well, so I have no idea if they speak English. Its not a requirement in very Thai oriented places. You don't go looking for A+ in Thai oriented Soapies, and multi pops is a bit strange also but girl dependent, and I am sure tip dependent. Soapies always have all in pricing these days. Many years ago, you could get a Booran (real Thai style) massage for one fee, and tip girl extra 1 K for sex, but those times are long ago, I think. Once worked that way at Chaopraya 2.

Based on your questions, you should stick to PSE Oily shops or Annies, Dr. BJ Nuru, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Pogostick;1769719]One quick question. I am coming in on a late flight and won't hit my hotel until at least 1 AM. I'll be staying on Soi 8. Will I be able to find a massage shop open anywhere in the area? I would prefer on Soi 8 but crossing over to Soi 11 is not a problem either. I'm am not looking for oily / sex shop massage but a decent rub with a possible happy ending but emphasizing the massage to work out the kinks of a long flight. Any chance I'll find something open?

Thanks,

Pogo.[/QUOTE]Your best bet is to book a massage girl in advance from one of the oily or soapy shops. She will meet you at your hotel and do whatever you want. If all you want is a good massage and HJ then she will do that. If you change your mind and opt for full service after the massage she will do that. The only issue for you might be the rate. The shop will charge you the standard outcall rate whether full service or massage and HJ is offered.

Another option is there are a couple of shops open late on lower suk between Soi 3 and Soi 7 but there is a mix of ladies and ladyboys and for this reason I have always stayed away.

Finally you could go to Soi 11. There are many small massage shops open in the massage Arcade. They all offer whatever services you want. A mix of ladyboys and real ladies as well so I have never partaken during the night but did have a good experience there during the day.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1769921]Your best bet is to book a massage girl in advance from one of the oily or soapy shops. She will meet you at your hotel and do whatever you want. If all you want is a good massage and HJ then she will do that. If you change your mind and opt for full service after the massage she will do that. The only issue for you might be the rate. The shop will charge you the standard outcall rate whether full service or massage and HJ is offered.

Another option is there are a couple of shops open late on lower suk between Soi 3 and Soi 7 but there is a mix of ladies and ladyboys and for this reason I have always stayed away.

Finally you could go to Soi 11. There are many small massage shops open in the massage Arcade. They all offer whatever services you want. A mix of ladyboys and real ladies as well so I have never partaken during the night but did have a good experience there during the day.[/QUOTE]Thanks,

I'll probably cruise the arcade. I just wasn't sure if they would be open that late as I am usually an early monger. I've never had a problem with the LBs there. My radar is pretty good and if I am in doubt, I just ask. So far every massage girl I've had in the arcade was born that way!

Thinking of arranging an outcall from Mango. Prae and Mud stand out and both are A+ but as is the won't of these places, the photos appear to be heavily photoshopped. Do either of these girls remotely resemble their images and if so, which is the prettier (highly subjective I know) and more importantly, who gives the better service? If anyone has experience of either, or both (maybe at the same time), your help and advice would be welcomed.

[QUOTE=CunningStunt;1770090]Thinking of arranging an outcall from Mango. Prae and Mud stand out and both are A+ but as is the won't of these places, the photos appear to be heavily photoshopped. Do either of these girls remotely resemble their images and if so, which is the prettier (highly subjective I know) and more importantly, who gives the better service? If anyone has experience of either, or both (maybe at the same time), your help and advice would be welcomed.[/QUOTE]Mud is an amazing performer, but she has a very bad case of "mommy body. " That is why I never took her a second time. One of my pet peeves is I really dislike "baby drag" on a gal. My take on Prae is that she goes through the motions pretty well, but with very little fire.