Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

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You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.

[QUOTE=Bumholes1]You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.[/QUOTE]

No. You're wrong. I'm not expressing opinion here. I'm reporting factual information.

They are NOT ethnically Thai. The Thais only come from the central region of the country and originated as the Tai in China. They also exist as the Tai or Dai in North Vietnam. The concept of "Thainess" was imposed on the country by the ruling Thais, in the 1940s in order to suppress cultural identity, and homogenize the people into one artificially-created identity in order to better control them. This has been one of the main causes of Thai racism in the last 60 years. This is why there is a strong move afoot to change the name of the country back to Siam, in order to, in fact recognize the ethnic and cultural diversity of at least 35 distinct groups.

I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that few people in the rest of the country can understand. Go to an Isaan movie like "Yam Yasothon", and you'll note that there are Thai subtitles for everyone else in the country.

As for the Lanna culture in the north: They view themselves as completely different from anyone else in the country. They routinely speak a language that is maybe at best understood only about 50% by most Thais. They were forced militarily to become part of the country less than 100 years ago when King Rama V sent death squads to assassinate the Lanna Royal Family, who managed to escape into exile to Luang Prabang in Laos.

My comments, as you mistakenly imply are not meant to demean Isaan, but in fact to recognize its uniqueness as a completely separate entity within what is in fact a cultural polyglot, and not one disitinct culture called "Thai".

Your comparison to the dialects of England is not valid. The comparison might only begin to become valid, if you looked at Britain at around the 6th-11th centuries, when it was made up of ethnically and culturally distinct groups which have long since melded, more or less together. As an aside, I very much doubt if the Scots consider themselves as part of Britain, except politically and economically.

You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.

Also, your comment about darker skin shows either a prejudice, a generalization and/or a lack of in-depth knowledge about the diversity of Isaan people. Darker skin is prevalent in Khmer-dominant Buriram, and Surin and sourthern parts of Udon Thani, for example. But, if you go to places like Nakhon Phanom, or Mukdahan, you'll find people who are quite light-skinned or even white. The lighter they are the purer Lao they are. Although, in Mukdahan, you also get some very light-skinned people who have Vietnamese blood in them. The various looks of just Isaan people, alone shows quite a varied influx of different ethnicities over the centuries.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
And I should have titled the report better, but I guess I was thinking that the majority of the discussions on this forum is about working girls. If I was on a dating forum, I would have written reports differently because then the majority of the info would be on non-working good girls. Sorry![/QUOTE]

That would be fine except that, firstly there are many on this forum who are interested in Thailand beyond the very limited scope of your experience and the experience of the P4P scene. Secondly, you recklessly refer to things as if they are generally true, when in fact they may be true only in that same narrow sphere of experience.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
Disclaimer: I am living here, I like to pay for sex with a lot of girls, I like to write rubbish reports so that the newbies and those wishing to come to Thailand can get a glimpse of the real side of Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

Again, this is what I'm talking about. What you write about is not the "real side of Bangkok", but about a narrow corridor between Nana and Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=AndyBKK]
My posts are the results of talking to Thai girls, Thai guys, university girls, and a result of my 1.5 years here.
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1.5 years? Dude, you're still in stage one - The "I can't wait to get down to the bars and pick up another new slapper" stage. I was here 2 1/2 years before I finally got bored with and out of that opening phase of the expat experience. There's a big world out there, beyond the P4P scene.

I wouldn't mind any of your posts at all, as some are quite entertaining, if you had said initially that you were only writing about one very small portion of life in Bangkok of interest to newbies etc. Except that you have arrogantly set yourself up as some broad expert on Thailand and Thai girls, when in fact you know shit about either.

University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)

There are university girls and then there are "UNIVERSITY GIRLS"?

I've spent about 9 hours with about 50 UNIVERSITY GIRLS this week. Very informative.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.[/QUOTE]Please do not discriminate against soi 33.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that nobody in the rest of the country can understand...[/QUOTE]I always enjoy it when my Isaan girlfriends refer to their home turf as "my country..."

And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty [i]daughters of Isaan[/i] often conduct telephone conversation in [i]paasa Isaan[/i] to guarantee their privacy.

Thanks Prof. OTH, it's like a Social Geography lesson! Interesting discussion all around.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty [i]daughters of Isaan[/i] often conduct telephone conversation in [i]paasa Isaan[/i] to guarantee their privacy.[/QUOTE]

Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan. It's their "secret code" and the last bastion of privacy. Even Thais can't understand them.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan...[/QUOTE]I just as soon not know what a [i]paasa isaan[/i] conversation is about if a woman doesn't want me to. Letting her blow off steam or hatch a plan is one way of keeping her half sane around the apartment. There's an amazing pacifying effect that a mobile phone conversation, and/or a cable television show, can have on a busy, and/or tired, Thai "working" woman.

I think these women put up with a lot of crap from their customers (if P4P), their bosses (at work, mamasans, etc.), and their families (ma & pa, "sisters," etc.), and need a little space from time to time. I'm not tying to gloss over the fact that most of them are constantly cooking up something aimed at self-enrichment, but if it doesn't involve grabbing me [i]too[/i] hard, I don't especially care.

There was a post by a ISG member named PosterLion back in March of this year that made me look at my bargirl friends in a different light. It's entitled, "I could be playing rummy but I’d rather be pensively reflective". I think I'll read it again.

the link: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=855082&postcount=243[/url]

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)[/QUOTE]

There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are [i]really[/i] rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money).[/QUOTE]

You work in this field so you know most so I got some questions...

Rangsit is also decently expensive for thai standards from what I understand, it's private is it not (non govt.)? And while Ramkhamhaeng is dirt cheap and anyone who can breathe can get in, some of their studies are hard to finish. Meaning it's a piece of cake to get in but hard to finish and complete some of their programs. That's a Govt. run university is it not?

Mahidol is one of the higher govt schools yes or no? That is where I have lectured at times and do some work at as well as Mekong Institute. Ramkhamhaeng I've done some items with the Sports Authority of Thailand over that way so I know some about that one on a larger scale and they are completing a whole new business building now.

I've just dated girls from Rangsit and Ramkamhaeng. :D

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.[/QUOTE]
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?

I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.

3 is of another thai girl talking to a "boyfriend/sponser" while with another guy

And 4 is hidden cam video of the girl in the room before.

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmeih9522s[/url]

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW96esh1ZVA[/url]

Interesting stuff about what Thai chicks do

[QUOTE=Carsten71]I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Right, what exactly are you looking for? Prostitutes or the occasional dating site with (supposedly) good girls?

If you want your garden variety Prostitute freelancing then here you go:

- Beergarden Soi 7
- New Wave Pool Bar soi 7
- Gullivers soi 5
- Thermae
- CM2
- Nana hotel Parking lot
- Macdonalds at the bottom of Robinsons soi 19

If you want a dating site:

- Thai love Links [url]http://www.thailovelinks.com[/url]
- Thai Friend finder [url]http://asiafriendfinder.com[/url]
- bangkok matching [url]http://www.bangkokmatching.com[/url]

But the above websites are worthless unless you pay for the gold package where you are able to send adn receive messages.
Be careful as many prostitutes also use these sites

You can also try your luck with Hi5, Facebook, Camfrog

[QUOTE=Opebo]There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are [i]really[/i] rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.[/QUOTE]

I think very much the exception, rather than rule.

When I used to teach at Chula, I had exactly 2 students from Isaan, out of perhaps 600+ students over 3 years.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier] are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting? [/QUOTE]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.