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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2503330] it will be Thailand's loss if they act against their own interests as other Asian countries will most definitely open for certified vaccinated travelers and add to the growing list of some very nice countries that are already open (no quarantine).
[/QUOTE]That's funny because just tonight I started making sure the gogo girls I wanted to see had valid passports so when countries like Japan and Korea open up, we will meet in those countries rather than Thailand.
Really when you think about it because vaccinations are not 100% effective it can be more about whether the local population is vaccinated in sufficient numbers to create herd immunity. If they are then there would be less need for extreme caution around allowing visitors in and could responsibly make do opening up with a simple vaccination certificate.
The science is still out on what the percentage is but 70% has been floated as a threshold which means 40 to 45 million Thais will need to be vaccinated. Question is, is the will there to provide the financial investment and can the system cope with procuring and delivering.
On a pure return on investment metric getting back the multi trillion baht Thai tourist industry screams absolutely. Whether the system can deliver on vaccinating that many people in a short space of time umm TIT.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2503547]..... Somehow I know 1000s of Thai gogo/bar girls though.[/QUOTE]Is that 'know' in the biblical sense, if so you are phenomenal.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2503523]I'm more in agreement with you? [/QUOTE]Yeah, I think we agree. I hope you can travel shortly.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2503553]That's funny because just tonight I started making sure the go go girls I wanted to see had valid passports so when countries like Japan and Korea open up, we will meet in those countries rather than Thailand.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha, why not? I am sure your sexy friends would love to go to Japan on holiday. Consider the Maldives as well. Thai girls are enthralled by what they have heard about the Maldives. It's beautiful, peaceful, no distractions, and it's open.
[URL]https://visitmaldives.s3.amazonaws.com/ywDeXNYN/qblrrq08.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://visitmaldives.s3.amazonaws.com/EoAj21w9/ahpfkwoq.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2503492] (Interestingly, the PRC company that was conducting test trials of their "vaccine" in Brazil was halted by the Brazilian government recently due to "adverse reactions" to the "vaccine". So I don't think any PRC produced vaccine will be "accepted" by any nation as a free pass to enter. LOL![/QUOTE]A study published Tuesday in The Lancet shows that the vaccine against the coronavirus developed by Chinese Sinovac, one of the most advanced, does trigger an immune response and did not cause serious side effects.
After that of the Pfizer and BioNTech laboratories, that of Moderna and that of the Russians at the Gamalea Institute, it is the turn of the "CoronaVac" vaccine from the Chinese laboratory Sinovac Biotech to (re) make people talk about it. And better than in October, when clinical trials were suspended days in Brazil after the death of a participant, which would ultimately be suicide.
A preliminary study published Tuesday in the British journal "The Lancet", shows that this vaccine, which is among those which are at the most advanced stage, phase 3, where the effectiveness of the vaccine is measured on tens of thousands of volunteers on several continents, "is safe and does elicit an immune response in healthy patients. ".
Sud Ouest.
Posted on 11/18/2020.
This is just a political feud between Bolsonaro, who wants the federal government to buy a western vaccine for all Brazil, and the governor of Sao Paulo, who wants the State of Sao Paulo to procure the Chinese vaccine for his State. This is political, not medical, and may of course be related to kick-backs.
[QUOTE=XXL;2503665]This is just a political feud between Bolsonaro, who wants the federal government to buy a western vaccine for all Brazil, and the governor of Sao Paulo, who wants the State of Sao Paulo to procure the Chinese vaccine for his State. This is political, not medical, and may of course be related to kick-backs.[/QUOTE]There are medical reasons for not wanting a Chinese vaccine. China doesn't have a good track record with vaccines and their regulatory authorities don't have the same transparency as western countries so it's understandable other countries would be reluctant to accept it. If I had to choose between a vaccine developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca and some unknown Chinese manufacturer, I know what I'd choose and I'm pretty sure you would too.
[QUOTE=*****man;2503750]There are medical reasons for not wanting a Chinese vaccine. China doesn't have a good track record with vaccines and their regulatory authorities don't have the same transparency as western countries so it's understandable other countries would be reluctant to accept it. If I had to choose between a vaccine developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca and some unknown Chinese manufacturer, I know what I'd choose and I'm pretty sure you would too.[/QUOTE]Yes, everybody with a TV knows that. I was just supplying some local info everybody might not be cognisant of.
[QUOTE=XXL;2503665]This is just a political feud between Bolsonaro, who wants the federal government to buy a western vaccine for all Brazil, and the governor of Sao Paulo, who wants the State of Sao Paulo to procure the Chinese vaccine for his State. This is political, not medical, and may of course be related to kick-backs.[/QUOTE]
I appreciate your comments and information on the political aspects of the situation of the Chinese vaccine trials. I was not aware of that situation.
However, I will not trust my life on a Chinese Community Party / PRC approved and manufactured vaccine. I don't think any one with any common sense would either. Phizer, Moderna or J&J for me. Maybe even all three vaccines to be absolutely safe!
It should be criminal keeping these vaccine's a secret. If someone has an effective vaccine it should be shared with every possible manufacturer. Government's should step in and compensate the Pfizer's or Moderna at a reasonable profit but make them share the formula for this pandemic and any in the future.
[QUOTE=RioHeart;2503875]It should be criminal keeping these vaccine's a secret. If someone has an effective vaccine it should be shared with every possible manufacturer. Government's should step in and compensate the Pfizer's or Moderna at a reasonable profit but make them share the formula for this pandemic and any in the future.[/QUOTE]I agree regarding Moderna, that was largely funded by the USA government. At a minimum, USA government should have rights to it. Moderna didn't risk their own money in the development.
Pfizer is different. They didn't get funded by the government, they only had an advanced agreement to purchase a certain number of dosages if it worked. Pfizer risked all their R&D money and I feel they should be entitled to the vaccine design.
I'm making these statements based on little bits of information gathered from various sources. If somebody has a link to some real funding information, I would appreciate seeing the link.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2503882]I agree regarding Moderna, that was largely funded by the USA government. At a minimum, USA government should have rights to it. Moderna didn't risk their own money in the development.
Pfizer is different. They didn't get funded by the government, they only had an advanced agreement to purchase a certain number of dosages if it worked. Pfizer risked all their R&D money and I feel they should be entitled to the vaccine design.
I'm making these statements based on little bits of information gathered from various sources. If somebody has a link to some real funding information, I would appreciate seeing the link.[/QUOTE]It has been a while where I read it but I believe the USA Also dump billions into helping Pfizer it wasn't just in the production. I also feel any imports from China should have additions added to compensate the countries around the world for their pandemic! Like most world events they never step up and put in their fair share!
[QUOTE=RioHeart;2503875]It should be criminal keeping these vaccine's a secret. If someone has an effective vaccine it should be shared with every possible manufacturer. Government's should step in and compensate the Pfizer's or Moderna at a reasonable profit but make them share the formula for this pandemic and any in the future.[/QUOTE]I don't think you can just "share the formula" of a vaccine like you can with a medicine. They each have their own unique manufacturing, storage and distribution process that would be beyond the capability of some generic manufacturer.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2503492].......... So I don't think any PRC produced vaccine will be "accepted" by any nation as a free pass to enter. LOL![/QUOTE]Why LOL? I am not happy about this. I think the more successful vaccines there are the better for the world.
[QUOTE=Rodwint2;2503492]... So I don't think any PRC produced vaccine will be "accepted" by any nation as a free pass to enter. LOL![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Turgid;2504035]Why LOL? I am not happy about this. I think the more successful vaccines there are the better for the world.[/QUOTE]I don't think any vaccination alone will be accepted as an entry pass. The home nation will also need to demonstrate reduced COVID infections, which should happen shortly after vaccines are widely distributed.
I’d like to think that there will be at least a few different vaccines available. If one has long term problems it would nice to have another ready for use. We don’t know how often we will need to get vaccine boosters, if ever.