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[QUOTE=JookMeUp;2812654]There are lots of potential places there. Can you give a clue about which one you visited? The biz name or floor number or building name?

And how could you tell it was run by gangsters?[/QUOTE]You can swing a dead cat and hit five massage parlors. One building has one on floors four, five, and six. I went back again this weekend, but was disappointed since the service was much the same. Unkempt Chinese girls just don't work for me, I need a clean shave. I've had great experiences with Chinese AMPS in California, but not so much here.

As far as gangsters, the volume and type of tattoos give it away.

[QUOTE=Garthie1;2812734]You can swing a dead cat and hit five massage parlors. One building has one on floors four, five, and six. I went back again this weekend, but was disappointed since the service was much the same. Unkempt Chinese girls just don't work for me, I need a clean shave. [/QUOTE]3 parlors on floors of the same building? Sounds like a cartel not competition. Are the prices and service offerings the same at all places you checked out?

And are the SPs that you saw all Chinese? I'd expect some Thai SPs in the mix.

[QUOTE=SeoulSearching;2808493]Let me unload and tell you that Seoul has gone from one of the best mongering cities to the worst in a span of 15 years. It's so depressing. The prices are absolutely ridiculous -- especially for what you get. It's gone from sexy nanny to granny to tranny since Bushy started MP patrols in Itaewon, back then. All that's left are terribly overpriced experiences in random usually Korean-only places (where a few foreigners might be tolerated), and crappy massage shops with overweight Thais and old Korean women. Korea sucks. And not in an oral way. Oh sure, you can spend $500 on some semi-pretty-possibly-a-real-woman experience on Massage Republic.

Even Craigslist is one giant cock-block. I see one person who desperately places ads on there, only to see them removed quite quickly. I've tried a few ads, and no responses (there used to be some, pre-pandemic).

Sorry, I'm just depressed about it all. This sucks.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that you're having such a bad time.

Mongering in Korea is a young man's game with most of the customers in their 20's, 30's, or 40's. If you're much older than this, you've probably aged out of the easily available options. I hate to say it, but there was a recent trend among the online adverts where a selection of women have made this abundantly clear by writing 'No customers over 40' on their profiles.

From what I understand, pensioners living in South East Asia have similar complaints these days. There's much talk about the decline of the sex industry in Thailand and the Philippines, but the truth is that such complaints are a reflection of two uncomfortable facts: prices have increased and the most attractive women prefer younger customers. It seems that many mongers have forgotten the first clause of Mike Damone's famous saying, "I get older, they stay the same age. ".

Even if the male sex drive remains constant, the world changes. In Korea, almost all the best services are online, and though some might bemoan the shift, for most this has been a welcome change. The move online has made prowling a friction-less experience for customers, workers, and managers. Customers can browse and book a reservation from the comfort of home. Workers no longer have to actively promote their services. And managers get to hide their business from the watchful eye of the public. It's a win-win-win situation.

I particularly like the online experience because I don't have to wander a seedy neighborhood and negotiate with bikini clad women in pink windows. That doesn't mean there wasn't a certain charm to those sorts of transactions, but I prefer to arrive at a clean and comfortable officetel and know that I'll be with the woman I chose and receive the advertised services I will pay for. Discretion, comfort, cleanliness, and transparency are certainly worth the price paid.

I know it's not possible for everyone to access these services, but there is plenty of information on this forum to help those who are willing. No doubt there is a high barrier to entry, but it can be overcome by those who live in country and speak some Korean.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2812875]I particularly like the online experience because I don't have to wander a seedy neighborhood and negotiate with bikini clad women in pink windows. That doesn't mean there wasn't a certain charm to those sorts of transactions, but I prefer to arrive at a clean and comfortable officetel and know that I'll be with the woman I chose and receive the advertised services I will pay for. Discretion, comfort, cleanliness, and transparency are certainly worth the price paid.

I know it's not possible for everyone to access these services, but there is plenty of information on this forum to help those who are willing. No doubt there is a high barrier to entry, but it can be overcome by those who live in country and speak some Korean.[/QUOTE]I agree with your point. I am not Korean and a younger guy. My experience exploring this environment with an open mind has been positive. My language ability is basic, and I have not been accepted everywhere I contacted, but it has offered me good experiences that have been well worth the price with only some effort and an open mind required. I also prefer the discreteness of Opis rather than open RLDs, and so on.

[QUOTE=Charles96;2812299]Hey Bonjovi3,

As a senior in Hyugetels, what do you say would be the best time to try contacting and getting into new Hyugetels. I would reason Friday evenings through the weekend is a no bet time for new foreign customers since there's an influx of Korean customers during that time frame.

I'm of a view that weekday afternoons till early evenings would have the highest probability of atleast getting accepted into one of them. What do you say about that?

I always assumed Hyugetels are a no go for foreigners but after reading several of your reports, I think they're worth a good try atleast.

BTW, even when you have nothing new to report, your usual Hyugetel reports are always a fun and informative read.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the shout out.

To be honest, I don't think there's ever a bad time to contact a Hyugetel. Places that won't accept foreigners never will, regardless of the time you call, and those that are open to foreigners will try to work around your schedule.

However, to verify your assumption that Hyugetels are relatively quiet during the day, it's absolutely true. This is why most of them offer a 10,000 won to 20,000 won discount for customers who arrive before 6:00 pm on weekdays. This suits me as I'm an early bird, but calling too early has its own issues, such as the women still being asleep. At some Hyugetels, even those that open as early as 1:00 pm, not all the women are available until later in the afternoon. What I'm saying is, call when you're available and able to make a reservation and they'll likely do what they can to get you in the door. FYI, I often go on the weekends without any issues.

Since it will be your first time, I'll reiterate a few tips I've posted earlier. Contact as many Hyugetels as you can. Start by telling them you're a foreigner and add whether you're black, white, indian, or other. If they ask you to send a photo ID, send a picture of your ARC.

The next step is to schedule an appointment. Tell them the time, woman, course, and any options you might want. Not all women will be available. Some might not work with foreigners at all, and some might be busy at the time you want to book.

If you find what you want, they will send you an address and confirm the price, course, and time. Sometimes, they will send you to an address that is across the street or next door, and then give you the real address after you call upon arrival. This can be a little confusing at first, so make sure to be early and call at least five minutes before your appointment.

Next, you'll need the building code to enter the lobby or elevator bank as well as the room number. These will be provided once you arrive.

They will often provide one extra set of instructions as well. The most common instructions I've received are: Don't knock or ring the door bell. Instead, enter a random 4 digit password on the door lock and wait for the woman to open the door. Or, they might instruct you to instead jiggle the handle two to three times and wait for the woman to open the door.

Of course, it goes without saying that all of the communications described above take place in Korean. Most of the places I've visited have been happy to text, but a good portion require that you call upon arrival to receive the real address and elevator lobby code.

For instance, I recently got accepted by a brand new Hyugetel. I initially reached out through text and the manager said he would need to ask the women whether they would be OK with a foreigner. I've gotten similar responses in the past followed by a flat no, but in this case, about an hour later he responded that one woman had said OK, and asked whether I approved.

Of course I did.

He then texted me where to go at the appointed time, and told me to call. When the time arrived, I went to the subway station exit he had mentioned and called. He then told me the directions, the door code, and the room number over the phone. With my Korean ability, it was a lot of information to try to remember all at once, but he clarified when I asked. He would not, however, just text me that particular info. Some Hyugetels will; Some won't. It just depends on how paranoid they are. At the places where I'm a regular, I no longer need to call; texts suffice.

Calling can be a bit of a hassle, but in this case it was worth it because the woman was beautiful, the opening hours matched my preferences, and it is located quite literally in the building adjacent to my office. As a matter of fact, it takes longer to wait for the elevator than to walk down the road to the front door. Considering that I can take a late lunch whenever I want, I couldn't be happier.

Lots of kissing, good eye contact, and DATY all day long: 50 min bbfscip 130,000 won.

[QUOTE=TheBizzzz;2812631]Just curious, has anyone seen the tents and small rooms in the alleyway that connects the busy / public road with the RLD? Going through that small alleyway, there's a couple of girls there. I'm assuming they aren't as "pretty" and slightly older as the women in the glass rooms.

Anyone tried any of these girls here? What was the damage?[/QUOTE]Yeah I've seen them on the video I posted on this thread a while back, Are the prices cheaper then glass girls? Looks? Service?

[QUOTE=MrFuji;2812611]Hi all,

New to the forum so apologies if there's any rules broken.

I'm a Korean American (30, M) heading back to Korea for the first time in a few years and also will have my own place in Gangnam for the first time ever. Usually I stay with family so haven't ever had the opportunity to explore. I've been looking into the Anma massage services and have found a few names that I can contact via kakao and telegram.

However, wondering if any Korean Hyung or expert can check my work and make sure I've done my due diligence right. Don't want to end up getting scammed, ripped off, or getting an STD. I speak okay Korean and can get by just fine if I have the time to type and translate but get nervous on the phone.

Couple questions I have are:

- are the links and contact info from places like yamap7 trustworthy?

- should I be trying the regular places like Tiffany and donut Anma instead? Or maybe even different services for my first time?

- are there other resources that I should be taking a look at, especially if I can read Korean?

Thanks in advance! Promise to report back on any and all misadventures.[/QUOTE]Yamap7 is trustworthy, but there is a better site at [URL]Opgani12.com[/URL]. It has more listings, it is updated more regularly, and there are lots of user reviews. However, you have to sign up for an account to access it.

The only way to get scammed is if you pay before you enter the premises. So, do not, under any circumstances, pay with a bank transfer. If you send money to someone, just count it as a loss because it's as good as gone. These are cash businesses, so you will always pay at the door or when you meet the woman. If you pay before you meet the woman, as is common at anmas and massage parlors where you fork over cash to someone working behind a counter, you might be disappointed with the woman provided, but you won't be outright scammed.

The anmas you mentioned should be a safe bet, but the women who work there will likely be at the end of their 20's or even in their 30's. I've not been, but from what I've read they offer great service and all the customers are required to wear a condom, so no need to worry about STDs. I also understand that asians from all over the world are welcome to visit these anmas. Donut anma, in particular, is even paying for an advertisement on a Singaporean sex forum, which further underscores how welcoming they are. If you've got the cash to burn, anmas are among the easiest way to pay for play in Seoul.

If you want to book from an online site, Kakao and Telegram can be used to get the conversation started, but almost every service requires that you eventually call or text from a cell phone number registered in Korea. The anmas you mentioned, however, might be willing to let you book an appointment using Kakao and Telegram. However, from what I've read, most foreign visitors are walk-in customers. Walk-ins are usually told to wait one or two hours until a woman becomes available. Supposedly, anmas have comfortable lounge facilities.

Thanks Bonjovi.

This is surely a lot of info worth like a decade of experience with Hyugetels. I was hoping to include those places that might have foreigners in a "may be" corner among my targets. But you're right, they either accept foreigners or not at all and calling early doesn't change that fact. I will just have to call at my convenience then.

Infact, I tried like 3 to 4 places yesterday but I lost hope after full denials LOL. But I'll put aside like an hour and try as many as possible. My Korean can handle phone conversations just fine but when it comes to memorizing addresses, passwords etc, It'll take more than average will power. Not giving up tho!! Even if it won't be as nearer as the one you're enjoying just down the street.

With such a beautiful woman, fine with Kissing, DATY, bbfscip and all that at just 130,000 and within few steps of reach, you can't be asking for more.

Thanks again for the tips and keep up the good work of your Hyugetel update reports.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2812942]Thanks for the shout out.

To be honest, I don't think there's ever a bad time to contact a Hyugetel. Places that won't accept foreigners never will, regardless of the time you call, and those that are open to foreigners will try to work around your schedule.

However, to verify your assumption that Hyugetels are relatively quiet during the day, it's absolutely true. This is why most of them offer a 10,000 won to 20,000 won discount for customers who arrive before 6:00 pm on weekdays. This suits me as I'm an early bird, but calling too early has its own issues, such as the women still being asleep. At some Hyugetels, even those that open as early as 1:00 pm, not all the women are available until later in the afternoon. What I'm saying is, call when you're available and able to make a reservation and they'll likely do what they can to get you in the door. FYI, I often go on the weekends without any issues.

Since it will be your first time, I'll reiterate a few tips I've posted earlier. Contact as many Hyugetels as you can. Start by telling them you're a foreigner and add whether you're black, white, indian, or other. If they ask you to send a photo ID, send a picture of your ARC.

The next step is to schedule an appointment. Tell them the time, woman, course, and any options you might want. Not all women will be available. Some might not work with foreigners at all, and some might be busy at the time you want to book.

If you find what you want, they will send you an address and confirm the price, course, and time. Sometimes, they will send you to an address that is across the street or next door, and then give you the real address after you call upon arrival. This can be a little confusing at first, so make sure to be early and call at least five minutes before your appointment.

Next, you'll need the building code to enter the lobby or elevator bank as well as the room number. These will be provided once you arrive.

They will often provide one extra set of instructions as well. The most common instructions I've received are: Don't knock or ring the door bell. Instead, enter a random 4 digit password on the door lock and wait for the woman to open the door. Or, they might instruct you to instead jiggle the handle two to three times and wait for the woman to open the door.

Of course, it goes without saying that all of the communications described above take place in Korean. Most of the places I've visited have been happy to text, but a good portion require that you call upon arrival to receive the real address and elevator lobby code.

For instance, I recently got accepted by a brand new Hyugetel. I initially reached out through text and the manager said he would need to ask the women whether they would be OK with a foreigner. I've gotten similar responses in the past followed by a flat no, but in this case, about an hour later he responded that one woman had said OK, and asked whether I approved.

Of course I did.

He then texted me where to go at the appointed time, and told me to call. When the time arrived, I went to the subway station exit he had mentioned and called. He then told me the directions, the door code, and the room number over the phone. With my Korean ability, it was a lot of information to try to remember all at once, but he clarified when I asked. He would not, however, just text me that particular info. Some Hyugetels will; Some won't. It just depends on how paranoid they are. At the places where I'm a regular, I no longer need to call; texts suffice.

Calling can be a bit of a hassle, but in this case it was worth it because the woman was beautiful, the opening hours matched my preferences, and it is located quite literally in the building adjacent to my office. As a matter of fact, it takes longer to wait for the elevator than to walk down the road to the front door. Considering that I can take a late lunch whenever I want, I couldn't be happier.

Lots of kissing, good eye contact, and DATY all day long: 50 min bbfscip 130,000 won.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheBizzzz;2812631]Just curious, has anyone seen the tents and small rooms in the alleyway that connects the busy / public road with the RLD? Going through that small alleyway, there's a couple of girls there. I'm assuming they aren't as "pretty" and slightly older as the women in the glass rooms.

Anyone tried any of these girls here? What was the damage?[/QUOTE]You guessed right!. They aren't as pretty but some will still ask 100 K, but an average of 80 K is common. There's still a few in that alley too who still don't take foreigners (Like 2 or 3).

And besides that, they're those in small tents along the pavement of the public road. Here, I saw some asking from 60 K. But 80 K was common here as well. Not really old but in the latter middle age period, and not appealing look wise.

My info might be distorted cz it's been some good time since I last visited. Even though I checked several times, I didn't see any quality here honestly that deserves that kind of money. Unless you just want to get it over with so badly.

And don't bother following the ajjumas at the opposite side of the public road, they claim they have aghashi's, only to lead you to real old grandma if you're a foreigner.

In Dongducheon Jungang Station, 50 K is common and is better off in terms of price-quality ratio compared to that YDP alley (Excluding the Glass rooms ofcourse, since the alley seems to be the one fine with serving foreigners anyways) but Dongducheon is far from Seoul, like a full hour by subway, and might also not be that much worth the journey.

The more they squeeze the RLDs out, the more underground work like Hyugetels, officitells etc line up, but that means fewer options left for foreigners to explore.

[QUOTE=TheBizzzz;2812631]Just curious, has anyone seen the tents and small rooms in the alleyway that connects the busy / public road with the RLD? Going through that small alleyway, there's a couple of girls there. I'm assuming they aren't as "pretty" and slightly older as the women in the glass rooms.

Anyone tried any of these girls here? What was the damage?[/QUOTE]You can ask any questions to most of the girls around there without any problems if you want to walk away.

The alley women are 70 k. They're probably in their 40's-50's. I only saw one that was cute. Short, mid length blonde, little tan, see / the cups and decent everything else. The rest were chubby and flat or skinny. They mostly wear sweats or long length clothing.

[QUOTE=TheBizzzz;2812631]Just curious, has anyone seen the tents and small rooms in the alleyway that connects the busy / public road with the RLD? Going through that small alleyway, there's a couple of girls there. I'm assuming they aren't as "pretty" and slightly older as the women in the glass rooms.

Anyone tried any of these girls here? What was the damage?[/QUOTE]What Yepez tents and where are they located? I will be in yongsan during the month of August.

[QUOTE=Charles96;2813307]You guessed right!. They aren't as pretty but some will still ask 100 K, but an average of 80 K is common. There's still a few in that alley too who still don't take foreigners (Like 2 or 3).

And besides that, they're those in small tents along the pavement of the public road. Here, I saw some asking from 60 K. But 80 K was common here as well. Not really old but in the latter middle age period, and not appealing look wise.

My info might be distorted cz it's been some good time since I last visited. Even though I checked several times, I didn't see any quality here honestly that deserves that kind of money. Unless you just want to get it over with so badly.

And don't bother following the ajjumas at the opposite side of the public road, they claim they have aghashi's, only to lead you to real old grandma if you're a foreigner.

In Dongducheon Jungang Station, 50 K is common and is better off in terms of price-quality ratio compared to that YDP alley (Excluding the Glass rooms ofcourse, since the alley seems to be the one fine with serving foreigners anyways) but Dongducheon is far from Seoul, like a full hour by subway, and might also not be that much worth the journey..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2813197]Yamap7 is trustworthy, but there is a better site at [URL]Opgani12.com[/URL]. It has more listings, it is updated more regularly, and there are lots of user reviews. However, you have to sign up for an account to access it.

The only way to get scammed is if you pay before you enter the premises. So, do not, under any circumstances, pay with a bank transfer. If you send money to someone, just count it as a loss because it's as good as gone. These are cash businesses, so you will always pay at the door or when you meet the woman. If you pay before you meet the woman, as is common at anmas and massage parlors where you fork over cash to someone working behind a counter, you might be disappointed with the woman provided, but you won't be outright scammed.

The anmas you mentioned should be a safe bet, but the women who work there will likely be at the end of their 20's or even in their 30's. I've not been, but from what I've read they offer great service and all the customers are required to wear a condom, so no need to worry about STDs. I also understand that asians from all over the world are welcome to visit these anmas. Donut anma, in particular, is even paying for an advertisement on a Singaporean sex forum, which further underscores how welcoming they are. If you've got the cash to burn, anmas are among the easiest way to pay for play in Seoul.[/QUOTE]You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Appreciate all the tips!

From your recommendations, I think I'll try the hyugatels and also maybe a few outcall services if I get some good photos sent ahead for me to pick from.

If you have any specific services and connections you've enjoyed using, would appreciate the connection but totally understand if that's just got to be part of my journey of discovery.

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2784666]In a new Hyugetel advert I spotted a woman that I had met at another location two years earlier. Since she worked there, I figured this new place would respond favorably to a request to book an appointment. Thankfully they did, and so I made an appointment. The woman remembered me and she let me know that I remain the only foreign customer she has ever met in Korea.

The first time she serviced me she was good, but on this more recent visit, she was great. She gave a great blow job with a full deep throat experience and also sucked my balls and rimmed me. And she did all of this willfully and happily. She was also fully on board for DATY and DFK. To top it off, she was very attentive to my needs which she showed by blowing my cock and sucking my balls between every position change. To sum up, the experience was everything I had hoped it would be.

30 min bbfscip 110,000 won.[/QUOTE]Hey Bonjovi3,

I have been reading through your posts quite often recently and noticed the word Hyugetel. If I remember correctly, its like an office building with units inside for girls? By any chance how can I find these services. I have checked opgani12. Is it like an incall service? I have used kakotalk to contact girls before but I have never heard of this site.

Would you be kind enough to give us, the readers, more of your wisdom on how opgani12 works.

Thanks brother!

[QUOTE=MikerChanger;2813794]Hey Bonjovi3,

I have been reading through your posts quite often recently and noticed the word Hyugetel. If I remember correctly, its like an office building with units inside for girls? By any chance how can I find these services. I have checked opgani12. Is it like an incall service? I have used kakotalk to contact girls before but I have never heard of this site.

Would you be kind enough to give us, the readers, more of your wisdom on how opgani12 works.

Thanks brother![/QUOTE]BLUF- you need to know how to read Korean- to register and navigate. I'm a white dude from the south, if I can anyone can.

Go to https / urlreplacement0} and register with your username, name, and email. After login, you can filter results from the top left by type- officetel, hyugetel, gunma, etc. And by location Seoul, Pyeongtaek, uijeongbu, etc. The list of providers will be displayed with contact information and a link to their page with pictures. I've never used the contact information, but someday soon I will.

Good luck. Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Bonjovi3;2784666]In a new Hyugetel advert I spotted a woman that I had met at another location two years earlier. Since she worked there, I figured this new place would respond favorably to a request to book an appointment. Thankfully they did, and so I made an appointment. The woman remembered me and she let me know that I remain the only foreign customer she has ever met in Korea.

The first time she serviced me she was good, but on this more recent visit, she was great. She gave a great blow job with a full deep throat experience and also sucked my balls and rimmed me. And she did all of this willfully and happily. She was also fully on board for DATY and DFK. To top it off, she was very attentive to my needs which she showed by blowing my cock and sucking my balls between every position change. To sum up, the experience was everything I had hoped it would be.

30 min bbfscip 110,000 won.[/QUOTE]Haha, Korea is funny and not funny with how it works. I made a great connection with a girl and got her private digits. She messaged me when she moved shops and I contacted the new place to make an appt but they said girls were not interested in foreigners. I didn't want to invest the time of doing private meeting and prefer the quick meetings of these agencies.