The latest assessment mirrors that of Dr. Fauci from the beginning
[B]U.S. intelligence agencies remain divided over likely Covid origin, report shows[/B]
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/24/us-intelligence-agencies-remain-divided-over-likely-covid-origin.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]
[QUOTE]A long-anticipated government report on the origins of Covid-19 offered new details on the U.S. intelligence communitys findings but did not state definitively whether the source of the coronavirus was exposure to an infected animal or an event at a laboratory.
[b]All agencies continue to assess that both a natural and laboratory-associated origin remain plausible hypotheses to explain the first human infection, the 10-page declassified report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence said.[/b]
The report laid out divisions within the Intelligence Community.
While the National Intelligence Council and four unnamed agencies found that natural exposure to an infected animal was most likely, the Department of Energy and FBIs assessment was that a laboratory-associated incident was the more likely scenario for the first human infection.
Meanwhile, the CIA and an unidentified agency remain unable to determine the precise origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, as both hypotheses rely on significant assumptions or face challenges with conflicting reporting, the report states.
But almost all intelligence agencies agreed that the virus wasnt genetically engineered, and [b]all agencies agreed that Covid was not manufactured as a biological weapon.[/b]
Congress passed legislation earlier this year requiring the intelligence community to declassify information relating to potential links between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the pandemics origins.
The report shed light on the Wuhan institute, which has been at the center of a hypothesis that the virus escaped from a lab and began infecting people or was transmitted to humans from an animal.
In 2021, a U.S. intelligence report identified three researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology who sought treatment at a hospital after falling ill in [b]November 2019[/b] -- providing inconclusive, circumstantial evidence that appeared to bolster a hypothesis that the virus may have spread to humans after escaping from the lab.
The intelligence community in March expanded its inquiry into Covid-19, by examining whether the first human infection with the virus was the result of natural exposure to an infected animal or a lab-linked incident, according to Fridays report.
A spokesman for the White House National Security Council said the reports release reflects a commitment from President Joe Biden to declassify and share as much information as possible related to the origins of COVID-19, while protecting sources and methods. The spokesman added that getting to the bottom of the origins of Covid remains a top priority for the president.[/QUOTE]Now, if only there had been some Pandemic Prevention and Response agents in that lab in November 2019 to monitor and report those first cases to the world so immediate action could have been taken to prevent or at least greatly delay its development into a Pandemic until effective vaccines had been invented, distributed and administered throughout the world. Word is just a 2-3 month heads up would have made all the difference.
I hear such agents were fully funded and maintained there during the Obama Administration. I wonder what happened to them after that.
Lololol.
LOL. You might be more protective of Trump than Elvis and Caliguy combined!
[QUOTE=Tiny12;2829925]Whether COVID 19 came from a lab leak, from gain of function research, and / or the Wuhan market is indeed not settled, and as you say various USA government agencies disagree about the source.
Some evidence came out earlier this year that supports the theory that the transmission of COVID-19 to humans was through animals at the Wuhan market. See.
[URL]https://www.science.org/content/article/covid-19-origins-missing-sequences[/URL]
If this theory is correct, it points to a Chinese coverup, of the origin of COVID. The Chinese CDC acquired samples from stalls of the Wuhan market between January 1, 2020 and March 2, 2020. They submitted papers that said the samples that tested positive for the COVID virus contained human genetic material, but no DNA from animals. Furthermore, they concluded that the animals at the marketplace probably weren't the origin of COVID.
Fast forward to 2023. On March 4, Florence Debarre, a French evolutionary biologist, randomly came across a previously unknown sequence of data from the samples collected at the Wuhan market, while doing other research, on the GISAID virology database. The data had been posted there by Chinese researchers, probably in order to satisfy requirements to get their research published in a journal. Based on her analysis, some samples from the Wuhan market that tested positive for COVID did contain animal DNA, from raccoon dogs, bamboo rats, palm civets, and other animals.
What happens next? Well, the data mysteriously disappears from the GISAID database. It's removed, at the request of the submitter.
So why did the data disappear? Well, at one time the Chinese military was pushing the idea that the USA developed the virus and was using it as a weapon. And China also claimed it shut down all its wet markets, where live animals were sold. Neither of those is very compatible with the idea that COVID 19 was initially transmitted to humans at the Wuhan market.
Anyway, Debarre's theory is consistent with JustTK's belief that the Chinese government bears some responsibility for the pandemic, by engaging in a cover up. The Chinese initially reported an outbreak of pneumonia, with no deaths, in late December, 2019 and early January, 2020. The data they provided to the World Health Organization caused the WHO to state there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission on January 22, 2020. The Chinese knew better. On the same day, January 22, they announced a quarantine of the Wuhan area. [b]If the Chinese hadn't been involved in a cover up,[/b] perhaps the world could have responded better and fewer lives would have been lost. Or maybe not. The reproduction rate of the virus was pretty high -- as many as 6.5 new infections were generated by each infectious person, according to estimates by researchers. It must be hard to prevent the spread of something like that. See
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7074654/
Debarre's theory is not consistent with your and JustTK's belief that the USA Government bears responsibility for the worldwide pandemic.[b] It's not reasonable to expect that a president Hillary Clinton would have somehow shut down the Wuhan market prior to 2020, or otherwise caused the USA to respond quickly enough to prevent a pandemic, when the Chinese were doing their best to cover it up.[/b] Remember, while the first few COVID-19 cases in the USA may have come from China, the pandemic initially spread from China to Europe, and then from Europe to the USA.[/QUOTE]Seriously, Tiny. I have never seen anyone work so hard to sidestep, dismiss and ignore the most blatantly obvious incomparable World Leader contribution made by Trump in making sure the initial spread developed into a Pandemic regardless where or how it started.
The World expected China to engage in cover ups of that kind. That is what they do. That is why we had agents stationed in those labs, in order to alert responsible officials at the earliest possible time rather than wait until whatever was spreading around in China got so bad even the Chinese could not cover it up anymore.
A President Hillary Clinton could not have prevented a Pandemic from developing by the time China's cover up was no longer possible in the face of so many covered up infection cases? LOL. Hey, no kidding. And neither could a so-called president Trump. Obviously.
But, of course, that utterly misses, ignores and misdirects from the unavoidable fact of Trump's incomparable contribution in removing those agents against all expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous in the first place so as to allow China free reign to engage in a cover up.
How about this; I will even concede that a so-called president Trump could have and indeed might have moved to prevent or at least far more quickly and effectively responded to the earliest possible cases alerts if only that same so-called president Trump had not so stupidly and dangerously removed all the "anti China cover up" agents assigned to that job 5 months earlier. We don't even need to compare him to a Dem in that regard.
Who knows, maybe Roger Stone would have gotten wind of those earliest alerts and decide preventing a historic worldwide economic and health disaster would look nice on Trump's bio instead him having contributed more to creating one than any other individual on the planet and he would have had one his famous meetings with him where he fools big dumb Trump into thinking Stone's idea was something he thought up himself.
