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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]Different strokes for different folks. If that works, then more power to you. Maybe you jerk off too much & lost sensation. The raw feeling of a wet juicy pussy feels way better than any condom trick. To me, BBBJ is feels much better than a cbj, but the feeling of raw intercourse is just off the hook![/QUOTE]Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.
For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.
I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.
For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.
I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but you can provide all the "proofs" you want, but with or without extra lube inside the condom, the sensations (in my own case) are better without a condom... it does not mean that I'm advocating uncovered sex (and I won't go bareback with girls whom I don't know for sure their STD/HIV health status), but what you're saying is just untrue (again, at least in my own case).
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[QUOTE=Opebo]I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'. I've never run across any girls stating that Thai men want bareback, but as I said my information about Thai male preferrences comes more from what my Thai 'friends' and colleagues say. These gentlemen from the middle classes are well indoctrinated in the pusillanimous pro-plastic orthodoxy.
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Nothing negative intended, but it is interesting to see how this works out. I know about 16 farangs very well, have partied with them......and yes, have even had the orgy scene where we are at a guys house and a big sex scene breaks out with both P4P and rarely non-P4P women. Not one guy has gone bareback. Not one has discussed going bareback.....all make sure that there is a good supply of condoms and lubricants available. I have been in my room...and a guy knocks on the door...."got any condoms"? I don't know one guy risking this (hpv, herpes, genital warts, bacteria infections, etc......forget about HIV if you like)....and everyone you know is taking this risk....seems a bit weird.
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[QUOTE=Freeman 418]As for the final point about hookers in their 40s being "without ill effects".. it depends what you mean by without ill effects.. HIV true, it's hard to catch, but I highly doubt you would find any of them without herpes, one or more strains of HPV, and other gotchas which don't leave. I didn't even mention Hep C oops. If you're OK with that then good.. or if you have them already so be it. HIV isn't the end all and be all.[/QUOTE]
This is the bottom line IMHO. One working girl friend of friend was telling me that she uses a condom with 95% of her customers.....she was worried about the 5% she was getting so excited with that she was going bareback (or that offered more money, I don't know the real truth). She is a nympho working in a BKK soapy. After she leaves the table, her friend.......looks at me and says; "She already has a promplem.......malang in her pussy". Just what I wanted to hear......no sex for me for at least a week because of thinking about this exchange. She was probably referring to HPV, as it can cause cervical cancer. Girls who are getting exposed daily to the full range of disease, eventually will catch something...if not HIV.....something....and "something" is not good if your penis is deeply entrenched in that disease.
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[QUOTE=Opebo]I think so because every farang I know goes bareback, and every girl I've spoken to says that many or most farangs prefer bareback. I've even often overheard farangs asking girls 'no condom ok?'. I've never run across any girls stating that Thai men want bareback, but as I said my information about Thai male preferrences comes more from what my Thai 'friends' and colleagues say. These gentlemen from the middle classes are well indoctrinated in the pusillanimous pro-plastic orthodoxy.
Well of course, no one uses condoms in non-P4P situations, do they?
They won't have any return/regular customers if they don't do bareback. That is, in the farang industry.
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Well some of Opebos comments were laughable, perhaps not all. I will admit to not being a total expert on low class places as I don't go there. I also never request bareback penetration.
Of course plenty of people are using condoms in non P4P casual sex these days. But this is obviously one of the primary situations for aids spread when they don't.
But how is that the lower class Thais get HIV (more frequently) and spread it to their wives. Obviously they were not forced to wear a condom when they were playing up. Did they get all this extra sex for free? Unlikely.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Lost sensation? LOL! Maybe you should try what I suggested first and see if it works. I guarantee it will. Then another "fuck the condom" advocate will be converted and cease being a menace to society.
For you to say "if that works" suggests it could, so why wouldn't it work for you if you put some work into it? A man is a man and a dick is still a dick. Therefore, please, spare me the different strokes baloney.
I have already provided several proofs that using the condom can feel just as good as without it, if not better. So quit being so selfish & ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.[/QUOTE]
"It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy".
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone] Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.[/QUOTE]
I am interested... what does Mano a mano really means? you're gonna ask Jimmy "the Nose" to beat him up? :D
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[QUOTE=Cuba Tourist]II went to a public facility and they gave me the OraSure test and I had my results -- negative -- in 20 minutes.
He said that he had done about 10,000 tests over many years and not a single heterosexual male tested positive.
What does this mean? I find it extremely confusing.[/QUOTE]So the OraSure test is an antibody test, and it will only detect HIV antibodies, which appear in the blood about 3 months post-infection.
Most people who have a test go because they have a specific reason, ie they had unprotected sex the night before. The OraSure test is utterly utterly useless for this. So it doesn't surprise me that a doctor in a holiday setting with a transient population will see mostly negatives.
If he did the PCR test (which detects HIV particles in the blood) he might see a very different picture...
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There are two separate stories that I need to distinguish. The first one was the HIV test that I took back in the United States. I spoke to an AIDS counselor who works at the public health clinic and he is the one that told me that he has not seen a single case where a heterosexual male got HIV from a woman. I presume that a heavy percentage of the people coming there are black and lower income.
The second story is my discussion with the doctor in Puerto Galera. The doctor there said that there were very few positives when the bar girls were tested every six months -- only one actually in recent memory. Here is where your point is most applicable -- the girls come and go almost as much as the tourists do. Any girl that thinks she might be sick probably leaves before the test or somehow avoids taking it. Other girls may have HIV but may test negative because they just got it.
The three-month window is basically a maximum -- 99% of people who caught HIV will show the antibodies by the three-month mark. But many if not most will show it by six weeks. The counselor told me that in his experience the OraSure test is so sensitive it actually shows within three weeks. He is just talking from personal experience rather than from a scientific point of view, but if he is correct, that would cut down the window substantially.
Unfortunately, it is not sufficiently sensitive. The bar girls may have caught HIV in the last several weeks -- many have only been in the bar for three weeks or six weeks. They tell me they've only had one boyfriend before that. Even if they're lying and they've had five, but still not very many compared to how many guys they will have slept with six weeks in the bar. So knowing their HIV status six weeks ago or even three weeks ago is unfortunately of limited value.
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[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]"It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy".[/QUOTE]
What do you mean I'm funny. Like a clown I amuse you.
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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I am interested... what does Mano a mano really means? you're gonna ask Jimmy "the Nose" to beat him up? :D[/QUOTE]
Lucca Brasi
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if he did the pcr test (which detects hiv particles in the blood) he might see a very different picture...[/quote]
for pcr use in detecting aids, professor kary mullis, who received the 1993 nobel prize in chemistry for his development of the polymerase chain reaction (pcr), is more than sceptical, and i guess he should know, because he is the inventor of pcr and got the nobel prize for that.
prof. mullis has drawn controversy for his association with prominent aids denialist peter duesberg and his rejection of the evidence that hivcauses aids. at a 1994 conference in toledo, spain, mullis changed the topic of his speech at the last minute, and instead lectured the crowd on his idea that hiv does not cause aids.
mullis wrote in an introduction to duesberg's inventing the aids virus (1997), "no one has ever proven that hiv causes aids. we have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people on earth believe that aids is a disease caused by a virus called hiv." mullis has stated that aids is an arbitrary diagnosis in which common medical conditions are mislabelled as aids when antibodies to hiv are found in a patient.”
the full text of mullis’s introduction to prof. duesberg’s book can be found at [url]http://www.duesberg.com/viewpoints/kintro.html[/url]. in it, he recalls his confronting prof. montagnier, the most recent nobel prize winner in that field for his work on hiv (that got montagnier into a nasty lawsuit with prof. gallo, the “official” inventor of hiv and original proponent of the hiv/aids theory).
prof. mullis is a somewhat controversial scientist for more reasons than his foray with aids denialists. no matter what, he is a nobel prize winner who sparkled controversy with heretic views in his own field of expertise, unlike other nobels who proved that they were pathetically wrong outside of their field.
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[QUOTE=Goyave]Sorry, but you can provide all the "proofs" you want, but with or without extra lube inside the condom, the sensations (in my own case) are better without a condom... it does not mean that I'm advocating uncovered sex (and I won't go bareback with girls whom I don't know for sure their STD/HIV health status), but what you're saying is just untrue (again, at least in my own case).[/QUOTE]Interesting. But not really dealing with the issue. Like I hinted at before, if you get stimulated for a certain time before vaginal intercourse, then using the condom for banging her will feel just as good as without it.
For example, a guy masterbates with lube for 30 minutes while a TG is licking his balls and fingering his asshole, all 3 at the same time. By then the feeling is getting pretty good and the hotdog is rock solid. At that point fucking her with or without the condom would not feel any different.
So there is really no need to go without a condom. Unless it is your objective to make babies or pass on STDs.
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[QUOTE=Vito Corleone]I don't give a rats ass if it does or does not work! If it works for you, good! Unless you want to handle this mano a mano, go f**k yourself with lube in the condom.[/QUOTE]
Please accept my apologies for that post, which was really harsh.
That was the first and last time i will contribute to this site while drunk.
OTOH, someone had to take up the slack for OTHs absence.
