Thai Women - Opinions & Advice

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]No. I merely meant that like Yugoslavia, Thailand is an artificial entity made up of ethnically diverse peoples and what were, not that long ago either semi-autonomous regions or completely independent kingdoms.

The central Thais, like the Serbs in Yugoslavia hold it together by 1/ money and economic control, 2/ military power, 3/ political control 4/ educational control.

There exists a considerable undercurrent of resentment among the groups who are not part of the ruling class. The recent unrest is only the tip of the iceberg.

But, there is also considerable antipathy between ethnic groups and regions.

The most obvious example is the on-going war in the south: Muslim, ethnically Malay vs. Buddhist, ethnically Thai elite. Part of the root of this war goes back centuries to the old southern kingdoms like the Kingdom of Pattani, forceably subjugated by the current Chakri dynasty.[/QUOTE]
OK, I agree with you about the disparity within Thailand. I just interpreted (maybe mistakenly, I concede) that you were likening the current situation in Thailand to the one ten-or-so years ago in the former Yugoslavia, Buddha forbid!

[QUOTE=Gamle]You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.[/QUOTE]
We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.

[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.[/QUOTE]

Given that large segments of the country, especially south of Bangkok are run by various mafia warlords, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that turf wars couldn't break out that could escalate to full-blown factional violence in the right circumstances.

Does anyone have any Thai sites with listings of p4p girls? I saw a thing on the Thai news about these sites, but my Thai is not to the point where I can find these sites, so can you longer term resident help me out?

An interesting dialogue in response to my post about the current cost of sponsorship.

OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think? IMHO, this is why most farang take the easy route with bargirls or naive poor country girls.

I do believe that TGs have a certain "magic" about them. The Isarn girls actually do practice a form of black magic to keep their men although this is surely hocus pocus. However, why do so many farang fall into the trap? IMHO, the TGs are probably the best actresses in the world.
I monger all over Asia and other parts of the world and Thailand by far has the highest incidence of this sponsorship albeit also a lot in China by overseas Chinese guys.

I would like to know why these girls have such a strong desire to support the whole family and why the families take advantage of this. How many of you would want your daughter or sister selling her ass in Pattaya?

I've been around awhile and not stupid enough to fall into the same trap that you "jaded" contributors on this thread warn us about. That said, I must say that I was very tempted recently by what I would also describe as TG magic. I want to believe that there are some genuine and sincere, poor TGs out there somewhere in the country. Is this not the case?

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..., how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period?[/url]

Perhaps, but when they're 36, or 46, they'll be desperate for any male, even the despised farang. Women's sellable date is not more than 30 at the very maximum in Thailand (to Thai guys).

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]...why do so many farang fall into the trap? IMHO, the TGs are probably the best actresses in the world.[/quote]

No doubt. But it is important to remember [i]how bad it is in the rest of the world[/i]. In much of the world, men over 45 or 50 can no longer hope to inseminate young women - thus, they really have no reason to live, biologically or emotionally. So acting aside, the sex and paid girlfriend industry in Thailand is offering a service that is both in incredibly high demand and incredibly rare.

So basically the majority of guys come here in a state of desperation, and are thus easily duped or just confused.

Contrary to what many farangs think. It is acceptable for an educated Thai woman from a good family to marry a farang. As long as he has class, a good job or a lot of money, and status.

Take a look at Miss Universe 1988 Poy (a Thai) she married one of the Simon brothers (the family that owns the Mall of America in bloomington, MN. They had a huge wedding here in Thailand and no frowned on this.

There are many actors and actress who are mixed. Yes, babies of farangs and Thai are highly regarded because of their white skin and foreign looks.

In a conversation I had with a regular non working Thai girl, she told me that she and her friends are open to the idea of marrying a farang.

Everyone has to keep in mind that the majority of the population does not know about a go go bar, Nana, soi cowboy, or soapie massages. So they do not have the negative image of farang coming to Thailand only to buy sex. There are many people here on work visas working for large multi-nationals companies, so the majority of the Thai's think you're here for the forces of good.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think?
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When I arrived here 13 years ago, it was most definitely true that generally all Thais would assume a Thai girl with a Farang was a hooker.

But, as far more expats have come here to work and more significantly in my view, more Western students have come here to study, I think this automatic assumption is not the case anymore. But, it depends largely on how the Farang looks and acts, and more importantly, how the girl looks and acts.

While it may still be somewhat unusual for a regular 20-something TG to willingly want to be with a 40-50+ Farang guy, it happens more frequently than one would imagine. I'm a case in point and I don't think I'm atypical.

Still, it is true that the vast majority of young girls you see with older Farang are P4P or ex-P4P, because you're right, it's just easier for most guys. It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.

[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.[/QUOTE]
Yes, perhaps it is quite a significant challenge for an older man getting a 20-something regular Thai GF, (yet even an old geezer like me can get it easily).

Surely it is also a major challenge to his finding much in common with her; a challenge putting up with all her juvenile nonsense; a challenge to the balance of his bank account; and a challenge to keep from being, (apart from the sex), bored to complete distraction in her constant presence.

So, of course, p4p is definitely the path of least resistance, as well as the path of least aggravation, the path of least financial loss, and the path to greater overall happiness and satisfaction in the LOS. :)

OTH,

To quote an old Bob Dylan tune, times change. Thais will often tell you that they can spot a TG WG immediately.

When I lived in Thailand, 1985-1995, I had a middle class Thai girlfriend. We lived together for 4 years. She worked for a foreign company and I did not give her any money every month albeit I did pay for everything else. She wanted the "better things in life", e.g. branded handbags, her own car (I paid the downpayment, she paid the installments), etc. and since she was with a farang that could afford these things, she expected them for face. We finally broke up since I would not agree to marry her. I was 40, she was 26.

Now, I find myself 14 years later, over 50, falling in love (or lust) with a TG from a poor upcountry family, also 26 yo. She has a normal job and Thai boyfriend in Bangkok which she leaves for Pattaya in seach of fortune to support her whole family. She arrives during the peak season and makes very good money. Although it has only been a few months, she has already become accustomed to the easy money, WG comradery and partying every night. Although I tried to convince her otherwise from the very beginning, I doubt she will ever go back to a normal life and job even though she is a college graduate. I offered her the same deal as I had before, find another normal job and I will pay everything else. She refused. She will continue to work in Pattaya and support her family until she finds a farang to do it for her at the income level she has become accustomed to or the going rate, whichever is greater. I passed.

OAH



[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]When I arrived here 13 years ago, it was most definitely true that generally all Thais would assume a Thai girl with a Farang was a hooker.

But, as far more expats have come here to work and more significantly in my view, more Western students have come here to study, I think this automatic assumption is not the case anymore. But, it depends largely on how the Farang looks and acts, and more importantly, how the girl looks and acts.

While it may still be somewhat unusual for a regular 20-something TG to willingly want to be with a 40-50+ Farang guy, it happens more frequently than one would imagine. I'm a case in point and I don't think I'm atypical.

Still, it is true that the vast majority of young girls you see with older Farang are P4P or ex-P4P, because you're right, it's just easier for most guys. It's a challenge getting a regular Thai GF, and thus P4P is definitely the path of least resistance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]OTH,

To quote an old Bob Dylan tune, times change. Thais will often tell you that they can spot a TG WG immediately.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, at least in terms of the stereotypical ones. However, Thais likely wouldn't spot the occasional student/office-girl part-timer, as they generally look and act "normal".

Opebo,

Thais often refer to women that are approaching the age of 30 as on "the last train". This applies pretty much all over Asia. There is no shortage of girls over 30 that do not require any financial aid whatsoever. I have one or more of these relationships in nearly every country I travel to. That said, they are not in the stunner category and often come with baggage.

Just my POV.

OAH


[QUOTE=Opebo][QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..., how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period?[/url]

Perhaps, but when they're 36, or 46, they'll be desperate for any male, even the despised farang. Women's sellable date is not more than 30 at the very maximum in Thailand (to Thai guys).



No doubt. But it is important to remember [i]how bad it is in the rest of the world[/i]. In much of the world, men over 45 or 50 can no longer hope to inseminate young women - thus, they really have no reason to live, biologically or emotionally. So acting aside, the sex and paid girlfriend industry in Thailand is offering a service that is both in incredibly high demand and incredibly rare.

So basically the majority of guys come here in a state of desperation, and are thus easily duped or just confused.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Thais often refer to women that are approaching the age of 30 as on "the last train". This applies pretty much all over Asia. There is no shortage of girls over 30 that do not require any financial aid whatsoever. I have one or more of these relationships in nearly every country I travel to. That said, they are not in the stunner category and often come with baggage.[/QUOTE]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?[/QUOTE]

Why would a Thai guy do an old lady like that? They have much better options. The vast majority of Thai guys have no interest in old women, and demand (and easily get) sweet young stuff. Basically if it weren't for foreigners or a few oddball Thais who like older women these ladies would never get laid.

I know several ladies of this sort, and they virtually never get any interest from Thai guys. On the rare occasion they do, it would only be a married guy, and only the most fleeting and humiliating of associations. Really their situation is pretty awful.

Of course the one caveat is that each and every Thai woman will only (very strictly) give it up to a man who is her social superior or equal. These old middle class broads in their 30s and 40s could of course easily get poor men to service them, but such an arrangement has no appeal to women anywhere, least of all Thais.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl]What kind of a relationship is this? Do these ladies have regular jobs and are in it just for the sex? So a fuck buddy type of thing? If that is the case, why wouldn't they get it on with those of their own kind, culture and age instead of an elderly foreigner? Are they hoping for marriage?[/QUOTE]

Opebo has hit the nail on the head. These ladies do not have many options with their own kind.

Yes, they have regular jobs or are business women but I think most are looking for more than the sex. I am not sure I would describe them as only a "fuck buddy". These are women that I have met over the years in my travels around Asia. Most of them I've met through my business rather than in clubs or bars. They are between 30-40 yo. When I am in country, we spend time together in and out of the bedroom. I guess you would call it dating. I imagine they are hoping for marriage but I try to avoid the subject. One of them in Japan and another in China did get married last year. I need to find replacements. In most of Asia, an age difference of 15-20 years is not a big deal to a lot of women. When it is over 20 years difference or if the girl is younger than 30, it can become an issue.

Just my POV.

OAH