San Salvador

[QUOTE=SexWithSmile]On my way to Nicaragua.

Cheers[/QUOTE]SexWithSmile -

How was your trip to Nica?

I am partial to white or mulatta spinners 18-25, thin, skinny, natural boobs OK. I like a GFE or PSE! I need the illusion of romance.

ARe there many of those types to be found in Nica?

In your opinion: What is the better country (for the money) for that type of experience? CR? ES? Guat? Nica? Colombia? Brazil? Thailand? Phillipines?

Thank You in advance

Sorry my question is also directed to alll the members of this board, esp Cpt Easy who has done a great job of posting photos

What is the better country (for the money) for GFE/PSE semi-pro / non-pro experience? CR? ES? Guat? Nica? Colombia? Brazil? Thailand? Phillipines?

I am partial to white or mulatta spinners 18-25, thin, skinny, natural boobs OK. I like a GFE or PSE! I am not really into escort or outcall, I need the illusion of romance.

Thank You

[QUOTE=Water Boy]What is the better country (for the money) for GFE/PSE semi-pro / non-pro experience? CR? ES? Guat? Nica? Colombia? Brazil? Thailand? Phillipines?

Thank You[/QUOTE]
I've mongered in all of these countries except the Phillipines, so I guess I can speak with some degree of experience. I can't speak about non-pros, since I look for strictly commercial sex, to avoid entanglements. And I have never been sure exactly what a semi-pro is, but I take that to mean a girl who has a day job and moonlights as a hooker.

There is no simple answer to your question. IMHO Rio and Bangkok compete with each other for the title of pussy capital of the world. However, since you want white or mulatta girls, that would rule out Bangkok, which is also very hard to get to. Rio is my favorite city in the world for mongering and non-mongering, but the dollar is now taking a beating vis-a-vis the real, so I am avoiding Brazil right now, since it has become very expensive.

Nicaragua? Forget it, a shithole. Guatemala? Good for sightseeing, but a less than spectacular mongering spot. Girls tend to be not all that attractive, and the better mongering spots are the most expensive in Latin America. CR and Colombia are excellent mongering spots in that there is an abundance of pussy and it is reasonably priced. However, both places are overrun with gringos looking for exactly the same thing you are, so there is a lot of crowdedness and competition, and the CR mongers are especially loutish.

Which brings us to ES, which is now my favorite, largely because Rio is so expensive. It is easy to get to from the US, there is an abundance of pussy, much of it skanky but enough of high quality that it isn't hard to find, and it is cheap. There's not much else to do in San Salvador but monger (although those who live there may differ), but you can find nice inexpensive meals, and there are a few US-style shopping malls around with theater multiplexes, so you can fill up your time. ES is the hidden gem of CR.

Come to think of it, why I am telling everyone this? I guess because I'm a nice guy who likes to share. But I hope, if more gringos come here to monger, prices don't go up and turn this into another CR.

L

I've also been to all those countries except the PI. For the most part I pretty much agree with Lorenzo's assessment (with the exceptions being about CR monger loutishness and Rio being so great for non-mongering activities beyond enjoying its unarguably gorgeous beaches). Thailand is also my ATF, especially for affectionate GFE, but Lorenzo is right that the slim asian look is not everyone's favorite and the location is just about as far as one can get from the US.

As for loutishness, I don't think it is anything peculiar to CR. Unfortunately, IMHO, that seems to be a problem whereever and whenever you get an explosion of gringo mongering. I've plenty of "ugly american" behavior in plenty of other places including Rio, Colombia, Thailand and other places. The only reason you see less of it in some of the other places you mentioned is because they just have a lot fewer gringos to begin with, particularly in ES. I think a better summation of the problem with gringos in CR is not their loutishness but the amateurism of many of them. It is often the first or even only foreign mongering destination many of these guys have ever been. Because it has had a safe reputation, is so easy and close to get to from the US and has become a centralized gathering spot for P4P activity in the region, you get the guys who might not otherwise venture to some of those other destinations you mentioned (or at least not yet) and those types of guys often fuck things up through sheer ignorance by overpaying and other improper behavior.

Rio? Worsening exchange rates ARE messing it up as desirable destination. Nicaragua? Not really a shithole [u]everywhere[/u] but [b]Managua[/b] certainly is and that is the only place in the country that has any real mongering. Guatemala? Lorenzo hit the nail on the head. Colombia and CR? Lorenzo is correct that both are hotbeds of mongering activity but also filled with competition.

I agree with Lorenzo that ES is a hidden gem and we need to [b]keep it that way[/b] or it could get messed up the same way CR has. I'll forgive Lorenzo for letting the cat out of the bag this time because of the simple fact of your posting your question here suggests you already at least suspected this. There is not nearly the same level of P4P activity that you see in places like SJ, Rio, BKK etc., but also much much fewer highspending gringos. Gringos are such a rarity including the ugly behavior that inevitably comes with greater numbers that most Salvadorans are still EXTREMELY welcoming towards us and I suspect though I didn't really get to check it out that many non-pro possibilities could certainly exist.

One final slight difference of opinion that I have with Lorenzo is that ES is not completely devoid of interesting non-mongering activities. A trip up to Suchitoto is very worthwhile, as is Lago Coatepeque. The Mayan ruins at Tazumel may not compare to the ones in Guatemala or Honduras but they are also there. Then there is surfing at the long white-sand beginner beaches of the Costa del Sol, and the world class breaks and striking black sand beaches near La Libertad, mountain biking in El Impossible Nat'l Rain Forest. and finally there is the cloudforest at Montecristo on the Honduran border (not the most accessible but very beautiful) and climbing the Cerro Verde Volcano. Just to name a few things to do if you want to do more than fly in and out of the national capital, which like many such places has not much more to do than monger.

[quote=lorenzo] there's not much else to do in san salvador but monger (although those who live there may differ), but you can find nice inexpensive meals, and there are a few us-style shopping malls around with theater multiplexes, so you can fill up your time.
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lorenzo, i will be definitely not diplomatic in this reply. :-)
i like you and your posts, so please dont take it bad if i am too direct... :-) :-) take my post as bit of pepper in a meal, not an attempt to start a flame.

i fully agree with prolijo (previous post).

the few lines quoted above are really incredible. leaving mongering apart, es is a gem, rich of outstanding nature, good and kind people, breathtaking sights, even some simple maya ruins, unexpensive in most parts, dangerous only in bad areas of sansalvador. add to this that mass tourism has not spoiled it yet ,and you understand why i like it (i am european).
you dont see this, while the only aspect you claim to appreciate is that "there are a few us-style shopping malls around with theater multiplexes, so you can fill up your time" (????).
i am speechless...........
sorry lorenzo, but i could not remain silent.
however, i hope that many people will agree with you and not with me, so to leave es still different than cr.

Hi all.

I spent some days in SS and I honestly admit that, as repeatedly stated here by several members, the SW scene is not easy and not offering as much as I was lucky to experience years ago.

To summarize my perception of the SS scene:

1) KissFresh.
It is reported as the main spot in town, but it has a key disadvantage: it is open only at day time. If one goes to SS to work or as a tourist, I dont understand how he can find easily the time to go there....
Me, I could not find the time to try it, because I was either busy with work, or visiting villages and tourist attractions outside SS, or just willing to walk in the centre to experience a bit of the local atmosphere.

2) SWs.
There are several ones after 9pm, along Paseo Escalon and Av. Roosvelt, as well as on Heroes. I did not venture walking alone at night along Heroes, athough when I do so I dress rather bad and I have only money with me. On PE and AR I met some ones who are not bad at all, actually, but I did not see such a gem to remember for a long time (as it happened to me years ago on Roosvelt) and that cannot be found in a standard casa/bar.
I heard there are several SWs at night in the centre, East of the cathedral, but without a car that's not a place where to go at night.

3) Bars.
They are often places with little or no selection at entrance. Therefore, you may meet also some pandillero with tattoos that is eager to show how strong he is. A night I wanted to try Luxor (on Constitucion, between la Chulona and Salvador del Mundo), but I was dressed too well for that place so I didnt. The taxi driver also recommended me to not go ("es no recomandable"), but I think that these places cannot be worse than 7$/ficha bars in Quito reported by Tungurahua and that should not be missed by any serious mongerer. In Quito, I tried 3-Stars at night and I had a lot of fun, although most customers were tattoed, drunk and very noisy.

4) Casas.
I tried La Oficina, Casa del Sol and Muses.

The 1st and the 2nd are as described in previous reports by others, so I will not repeat. I would just say that:
- Both are not the kind of places I like. You sit down, girls come, you choose in 1 minute by looking. Then, changing is a bit embarassing for me. In a bar, on the contrary, you sit down to drink and you can spend 1 hour just drinking, until you see someone that attracts you, or leave.
- La Oficina has a 5$ cover (not 7$, as I read). Girls are attractive, but look a bit
too cold and professional to my feeling. I chose one that I called "princesa", due to her noble face lineaments, who was not bad at all, although a bit too perfect and professional in the behaviour (BBJ only with extra 20$ tip).
- In La Casa del Sol it seemed to me that girls were a bit more on the wild side. I found a nicest 18yo morenita, claiming to be new at 1st day, thin and dark like an Indian, who actually behaved with the enthousiasm to please like she was new for real. One amazing detail: pussy so wide that if I had some lube I could have done full fist-f.
She said first that the only thing she does not do is backdoor, but I actually did exactly that :-) Extra tip not requested and accepted with surprise.

Some words about Muses. If I am not wrong, it was never mentioned in other reports. It is on Av. Jerusalem, very close to the garden square where it crosses Paseo Escalon. If you are on PE, you can go there on foot, since the presence of 5-6 bars and clubs in 3 blocks makes that segment of PE well populated at night too.
It is a kind of night club, with 4$ cover and 7-8 girls (60$ for 1 hour). Their appearence is lower than at Oficina and Sol, but I think you know that best mongering experiences seldom come with photomodels.
I spent my time with a girl that I thought to be 25yo (but she told me she is 33 and with 3 sons: unbelievable I would say). She is such a good girl! I had a wonderful hour. Btw, usually I dont like pro girls that simulate an orgasm, since I consider it impossible to be true, thus too fake to be exciting. Actually, in this case the clit became hard while I was fingering.... (!!). Backdoor first refused than enjoyed, BBBJ. Extra tip not requested and accepted with surprise.

[quote=black page]lorenzo, i will be definitely not diplomatic in this reply. :-)
i like you and your posts, so please dont take it bad if i am too direct... :-) :-) take my post as bit of pepper in a meal, not an attempt to start a flame.

i fully agree with prolijo (previous post).

the few lines quoted above are really incredible. leaving mongering apart, es is a gem, rich of outstanding nature, good and kind people, breathtaking sights, even some simple maya ruins, unexpensive in most parts, dangerous only in bad areas of sansalvador. add to this that mass tourism has not spoiled it yet ,and you understand why i like it (i am european).
you dont see this, while the only aspect you claim to appreciate is that "there are a few us-style shopping malls around with theater multiplexes, so you can fill up your time" (????).
i am speechless...........
sorry lorenzo, but i could not remain silent.
however, i hope that many people will agree with you and not with me, so to leave es still different than cr.[/quote]actually, i think that you were also being pretty diplomatic. i also like many aspects of lorenzo's posts and appreciate the fact that he has been to many many places. however....

the problem i have is that he seems to think that simply having "been" to a place could necessarily make him any sort of expert on that place. i'm sure he might be a decent expert on some of the places he has been to where he's actually taken the time to [b]really[/b] look around and/or been to more frequently. however, it seems that more often his visits seem to be more about breezing through a place to mainly be able to say he's been there. going out to eat at a nearby restaurant (which you pretty much have to do anyway at some point during the day), visiting the local shopping mall (because its one of the few things you can easily squeeze in between mongering, is nearby and you don't have to leave the city for it), or going to a movie that is pretty much like you could see at home -none of that constitutes in my view what visiting a foreign country should be all about. all that just scratches the surface and thinking in those terms just shows incredible superficiality.

you raised some good points in your second post about the oftentimes incompatability of mongering and traditional tourism. seeing the more worthwhile sights of el salvador will require you to get out of the city (even if just for the day) and that will eat into your mongering. if you came to es mainly to sample its mongering and you aren't willing to make that sacrifice than you probably won't get the chance to see and experience those other things that es has to offer, particularly if you just have a week or less like lorenzo had.

you mentioned kf, which is high on any mongers list, is only a daytime joint. the hours there are definitely limited to the prime time for doing other mainstream tourist things. however, it is still possible to get in a kf every day and also explore outside the city, if you go there first thing in the morning before catching the bus to whereever you're going, spend the night and then return in the early afternoon the next day for another late afternoon session. otoh, this would still mean giving up one of your nights and would also mean you wouldn't have a real full day at the place you're going, but could be a fair compromise strategy for someone who wants to go further afield without totally giving up their mongering. personally, i don't go anywhere just for mongering and have no problem at all, skipping a day (or days) of it, if it means being able to see and do other more worthwhile things.

Prolijo and Black Page,

Thank you for your feedback. I didn't take any of your comments as flaming. However, I don't think you paid close enough attention to what I said, so I'll quote myself below:

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]There's not much else to do in San Salvador but monger.....
L[/QUOTE]

Please note that my comments were regarding San Salvador, not the country as a whole, so I think it is a bit unfair to take me to task for saying there was nothing to do in the entire country, which isn't what I said. I was, and still am, well aware of what there is to do is ES, but I chose not to avail myself of it in order to focus on the low budget mongering paradise that SS is. And Prolijo, when have I ever presented myself as an expert on the places I visit? That may be your INTERPRETATION of my comments, but that isn't what I said. I only present my observations and my opinion. The only place I consider myself an expert on is Rio; beyond that, I admit to being a dilettante.

Regarding Prolijo's observation that I "breeze through" a place just to say I've been there, I'll plead somewhat guilty. This brings us to just what one's core philosophy of travel may be. To me the essential choice is breadth v. depth, i.e., do I want to visit as many places as possible, even if that visit is necessarily superficial, or do I want to visit fewer places and explore them intimately, get to know them well, etc? If my name were Bill Gates or Warren Buffett I might be able to do both, but unfortunately it isn't. I have enough assets accumulated over the years to allow me to travel freely, but they aren't unlimited. Travel, even budget travel, is expensive, so choices must be made. My goal, which I will probably never achieve, is to visit every country in the world before I die, and to die broke. I would like my last financial transaction to be a bounced check to the undertaker. One deterrent to the goal of visiting every country is that some places simply scare me--Somalia, Haiti--so I defer visiting in the hope that conditions there will improve. Maybe they will. I am going into this only to say why my visits to some places may seem superficial, but if that is so, it's by necessity. I respect other travelers' ways of doing things to accomplish their goals, and I only ask that others respect mine. BTW, I would also like to monger in every country I visit, but in many places that just isn't possible or practicable, e.g., the more fundamentalist Moslem countries. But maybe things will change.

I hope this clears up a few misconceptions.

L

Ok ok....
It is good to see that we can still discuss without getting angry.
I understand all your points. Actually I fully agree with Prolijo last post, but I understand also the clarifications of Lorenzo.
I cannot visit a foreign place just for mongering. I am curious to see.

Btw, any more comment on my post? I think that most people who writes on this forum is too biased towards casas. Bares and calles should be paid more attention.

..those who think mongering is limited to San Salvador are sadly mistaken.

Almost all medium to large towns in San Salvador have their places. Some of those in San Miguel and Santa Ana have been reported upon, but there are many, many others in much smaller towns as well. San Vicente has a place ("Fantasies" or "Illusions", I think it's called) that comes complete w/ pool tables and a swimming pool. Down the street a bit is "Sandritas"; La Union and Acajutla are rife w/ mongering places although granted most are aimed at the transient crowd of any port town. I've mongered in Usulutan, La Libertad and Chalatenango, as well. Apopa is crawling with them, including the famous "Fish Beer Club". You gotta love that name! Ahuachapan and San Francisco Gotera have a few, as well.

Granted, the smaller the town the more unlikely the place and I'm not saying any of them is consitently good and most are dangerous but occasionally one finds a gem. Prices are much lower. And the outskirts of San Salvador has the Hotel Verde (now closed, I think), El Oasis de San Simon and further toward Santa Ana within spitting distance of the ruins of San Andres and, especially, Joya de Ceren there is the Tequilla Rock where I've passed many enjoyable hours...and it's only open after 6 PM. Even El Congo has at least one. Metapan is filty w/ them, as are the areas around most of the border crossings...largely for the truckers.

I am not suggesting that the causal mongerer would, could or should visit these spots, but as one of you points out, there is much that makes up the total cultural tapestry that the serious mongering tourist might want to include. With a little persuasion (i.e. buy me a beer) I could probably be convinced to give a tour of them once I get off this damn medicine that has left me flacid!

I guess no one is going to own up to calling Richard and visiting the place he's advertising in the General Info section (complete w/ photos of the first chica working there), but he told me that two weeks ago some gringo called and visited and was pleased. I'd sure like a report if the guilty person is willing to own up to it.

Best to all. The Captain

I, too, very much appreciate that this board is not beset by the incessant flaming of many others. Messeges sent by Internet are, by the nature, impersonal and thus easily misunderstood, the tone being frequently misconstrued by one poorly chosen word. Jackson's insitence on NONE chatroom style writing reduces the chances of this, but some mongerers sure seem to be sensitive wbout their opinion, even though like assholes, we all have one.

Happy mongering. The Captain

[QUOTE=Lorenzo] I can't speak about non-pros, since I look for strictly commercial sex, to avoid entanglements. And I have never been sure exactly what a is, but I take that to mean a girl who has a day job and moonlights as a hooker.[/QUOTE]Definition semi-pro / non-pro:

To some people, they are pretty much one in the same. There are varying shades of grey.

A non-pro: A girl who is not a pro but who is looking for a rich boyfriend. She gets cash or regalos. There is no upfront discussion of exchanging money for chocho. OK, OK maybe once in awhile you have to offer them money upfront. She has a regular job. OR maybe she is a student.

A semi-pro: Or maybe she purposely goes after extranjeros. She is called a jinetera in Cuba, a chupadora(?) in MGA, a golddigger or **** or tramp in the the USA! There is no discussion of money upfront. Only regalos afterwards.

[Quote]From US State Dept Website:

CRIME: The U.S. Embassy considers El Salvador a critical crime-threat country. The homicide rate in the country increased 25 percent from 2004 to 2005, and El Salvador has one of the highest homicide rates in the world. ... Armed assaults and carjacking take place both in San Salvador and in the interior of the country, but are especially frequent on roads outside the capital where police patrols are scarce. Criminals have been known to follow travelers from the international airport to private residences or secluded stretches of road where they carry out assaults and robberies. [/Quote]Is it really that bad? Any problems there seen by the mongers who have been there?

[QUOTE=Cpteasy] some mongerers sure seem to be sensitive wbout their opinion, even though like assholes, we all have one.[/QUOTE]Not me! I've got two! One's my butt and the other is that hole on my head (called my mouth) that shit sometimes comes out of.

Lorenzo,
You may not have said there was not much else to do elsewhere in El Salvador but it sure seemed to me that you were implying it. My bad, I guess. Anyway, there is certainly plenty of things to do nearby using San Salvador as your base (you just might not get back in town before places like KF close for the day.

BTW, I can appreciate you're having a different approach to travel than others. My own approach is not something that I find others always understand or appreciate either. I can travel comfortably for under $50/day to most parts of the world (if I don't monger every day) and once I can retire fulltime that still comes out to less than $20K per year or less than what it would cost to live in the US. Once that golden day comes I figure I could easily "knock off" a couple of dozen countries or more per year if I wanted to. So as it happens our 2 travel philosophies aren't really all that far apart. I also aspire towards breadth, but have a much more patient approach to it. I won't completely give up on depth if I find someplace that I really like or am interested in (like Rio is for you), while other places I don't think are worth spending more than a few days in. And still other places I could easily die never having had visited. As it happens, I've been to Haiti close to 2 dozen times, never by choice, and can assure you that you aren't missing much.

[QUOTE=Water Boy]Is it really that bad? Any problems there seen by the mongers who have been there?[/QUOTE]

Most of that may be true, but consider also that reports by the US State Dept. are ridicolously exagerated, always, to be inclusive of all possible events to avoid that something happens and it was not warned before.
I read some exhagerated warnings about European countries too (e.g., Italy!).

What is true, is that in SS there is almost no police on streets. Only private security, at any corner, where there is a shop or an office or an hotel.
At night, this makes the situation surely problematic.