Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2726681]
Second, what's your point exactly? That Obama didn't want to go to war?

Sure he didn't.

Neither do I.

And neither does Biden.

Only your bud Travv isn't talking about going to war. He wants us to STAY AWAY.
[/QUOTE]I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.

We have the same thing now with Pelosi going to Taiwan. China has said they absolutely do not want Pelosi to go to Taiwan. And now there is this dick measuring contest about whether Pelosi should go. It is funny to me. What is the upside of her going? Are we going to show China who is boss just like we did with Russia and Ukraine because that worked out so well? Of course Pelosi is going to go to Taiwan because the Democrats want war.

WW3 is a small price to pay for the Democrats to stay in power, and that is what the war in Ukraine is all about.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2726730]I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.

We have the same thing now with Pelosi going to Taiwan. China has said they absolutely do not want Pelosi to go to Taiwan. And now there is this dick measuring contest about whether Pelosi should go. It is funny to me. What is the upside of her going? Are we going to show China who is boss just like we did with Russia and Ukraine because that worked out so well? Of course Pelosi is going to go to Taiwan because the Democrats want war.

WW3 is a small price to pay for the Democrats to stay in power, and that is what the war in Ukraine is all about.[/QUOTE]There is no reason for Pelosi to make the trip, very bad decision, but this what Dem. Do best, make horrible / risky decisions.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2726623]You don't need more than high school. All you need to do is cut off Fox News for a while, surf around and do some valid research rather than swallowing propaganda. Ukraine is fighting for their existence against a neighbor that feels like they have no right to exist. This is based on forced and false historical narratives. The bottom line is that Russia wants their goodies, industries, farmlands, and ports and is willing to murder civilians and prisoners of war, and engage in forced deportations to get them. There's a gencocide going on. Ukraine is quite developed and successful when compared to most of Russia. Some try to blame the victim by calling Ukraine corrupt, and there is corruption there like any country. However they've made improvements since 2014 and moving away from the Russian puppet governments. They typically get much better scores on corruption measures than Russia.

But Ukrainians love freedom and their country so much that they want to fight for it. They are willing to spill the blood but have asked the West for weapons, and we have agreed as we should. This sends the right message in Europe that you can't run roughshod stealing your neighbor's land without consequence. This sets the right precedent, both for us and our NATO allies in Europe. So that's what we are doing, and the vast majority of Americans and politicians from both major political parties agree with it, while we levy cripling sanctions on the Russian economy. And none of this is likely to change as a result of any hacks or pseudo-intellectuals in a monger forum. So that's a brief summary, the bottom line, and good luck.l.[/QUOTE]You are on crack. Ukraine was not well developed country, they were a joke a laughing stock to the rest of the world.

If Ukraine loved there country, why was everyone fleeing the country, pre-covid? This had nothing to do with the war, it had everything to do with corruption and zero opportunities for a better life. Ukraine was out of control, but that does not fit with your narrative.

You and XMan should go be correspondent for CNN. Start with doing an audit on how the government is spending the money. I doubt you will like what you find, but you would find a way to rationalize this, like all your other crazy ass views.

To quote President John Quincy Adams, "America. Goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all."

If certain members of this board want to volunteer and fight in the International Legion, they are free to do so. But staying out of endless European wars as a neutral and not "seeking monsters to destroy" is just common sense. If US business wish to sell armaments to Ukraine or Russia, I am in favor of this as the "Chief business of the American people is business" President Calvin Coolidge. But not if the arms sales are based on loans or foreign aid. Switzerland has gone for centuries without foreign wars by looking to its defenses and minding its own business. Would that American politicians would copy Switzerland's aim to putting its own people first and not using them as cannon fodder in foreign disputes. Those seeking to involve Americans in another foreign war should set the example by practicing what they preach and signing up with the International Legion themselves!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2726730]I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2726308]Since WW2 ended, almost 80 years ago, every attempt at war has been some stupid version of the domino theory. If we do not stop X here, we will have horrific consequences. That was the excuse for the debacles in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. There was no mission just a hollow promise of stopping someone.[/QUOTE]This is the truth whether anyone likes it or not. America's leaders sold the war in Vietnam to the public w constant warnings of a communist take over of Asia. First Vietnam, then Cambodia, Thailand, etc etc. We lost the war and the communist takeover never happened. Millions of dead and severely wounded and it ended up being an exercise in futility. Fortunately a nuclear threat was non existent from our adversaries in 1968.

Now, 50 years later we have Ukraine vs Russia and once again the west is trying to stop Russia (still communist to some) from taking over vast territories. We're trying to stop communism all over again but this time is different because everyone has nukes. Nuclear war has never been closer to destroying humanity than it is today. Propaganda was expertly used in the Vietnam era and it's being used now. This conflict would be over now had we stayed out of it and Ukraine would be more intact w less dead Ukrainians.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2726384]Carlson is a self-serving habitual liar and Russo propagandist that preys upon angry whites without college degrees, the same whom many lack the wherewithal to verify information before embracing it..[/QUOTE]I'm always searching for the least biased news. Maybe you can point me towards a more fair and honest news source. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2726722]The good news is that they aren't getting their way. They are a small minority even in the Republican Party. Ukraine is getting lethal aid for the fight they wish to fight and Russia is paying a heavy price. No amount of daily, repetitive squawking in a hooker forum is going to change that.[/QUOTE]These fellas are unbelievable. They are dying to get on their four, spread the cheeks and let world dictatorships like Russia and China have their way with them.

Not that I would mind, but they want all of us, as a country, to do the same thing.

Russians warned Washington, he said. China told us not to go to Taiwan, he said.

I mean wow!

So it's OK now for Russia and China to dictate how we should treat our allies, who we can and cannot support, where we can and cannot go? When I need to go pee-pee, should I raise my hand first?

What the hell has happened to Repubs? Weren't they always a bunch of obnoxious, tough-talking, hawkish blowhards?

You guys know fuck all. You take your opinions from low level MSM sources. Your endless spam contributes nothing about the war in Ukraine. Ditto your endless spamming on American politics thread. Hard to know if you are just teenagers, Israeli / Demonazi bots or just cam boys on downtime. Either way, you parrots have nothing to contribute.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2726762]There is no reason for Pelosi to make the trip, very bad decision, but this what Dem. Do best, make horrible / risky decisions.[/QUOTE]Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.

That said, the best refs, cops, and pols are not ones that escalate tensions but de-escalate them. That was something Obama was actually a master at that Biden is clueless on. With Biden, there are all these inflammatory definitive and often wrong statements. China would not be justified in attacking Taiwan but why do these dumb Dems have to keep provoking them?

[QUOTE=Travv;2726793]Switzerland has gone for centuries without foreign wars by looking to its defenses and minding its own business. Would that American politicians would copy Switzerland's aim to putting its own people first and not using them as cannon fodder in foreign disputes. Those seeking to involve Americans in another foreign war should set the example by practicing what they preach and signing up with the International Legion themselves![/QUOTE]Hmmm. Switzerland minding its own business? I think Swiss neutrality has hinged a lot on its special position as the banker of last resort. You could plunder assets, deposit them in Swiss banks and still access the proceeds from abroad if you lose power.

I'd say Switzerland is minding everyone's business.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727112]Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.[/QUOTE]LOL. Taiwanese are like the world's biggest weenies. Haven't you been there and seen it? They are all aboard the globohomo express.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2727112]Yeah, if China attacked Taiwan, I might volunteer my services to help them and definitely support arming them. All the false rhetoric used with Ukraine would be true with Taiwan. My understanding is the people in Taiwan would fight to the last man.[/QUOTE]Really?

So Putin's barbaric killing, raping and torturing Ukrainians in his war of choice is the false rhetoric? But Taiwan that hasn't been attacked yet, has your sympathy?

Something's not right here. It seems to me that this is a personal choice. You either hate Ukraine or love Russia too much.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2727232]Really?

So Putin's barbaric killing, raping and torturing Ukrainians in his war of choice is the false rhetoric? But Taiwan that hasn't been attacked yet, has your sympathy?

Something's not right here. It seems to me that this is a personal choice. You either hate Ukraine or love Russia too much.[/QUOTE]As usual you are wrong. We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.

Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.

Switzerland has a first class military and would be hard to take out. Both the Nazis and the (Nazi lite) Americans cracked Switzerland's bank secrecy laws by threats and guile. Switzerland is also a first class industrial power, perhaps as rich as parts of Northern Italy and Austria but rich nonetheless.

To repeat: You are an American, a moron. You do not belong here. You and your ilk have made shit of this thread, just like Americans make shit of everything.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2727116]Hmmm. Switzerland minding its own business? I think Swiss neutrality has hinged a lot on its special position as the banker of last resort. You could plunder assets, deposit them in Swiss banks and still access the proceeds from abroad if you lose power.

I'd say Switzerland is minding everyone's business.[/QUOTE]

New Batches Of Ukrainian Troops Quit the Fight as Russia Grinds On.

Published August 5, 2022 at 7:00 am by Larry Johnson.

Ukraine's President Zelensky is spooked and having a tough time hiding it. In remarks made on August 3rd, Zelensky is complaining that Europe is dragging its feet in supplying financial support to keep Ukraine afloat:

Zelensky then made a startling admission about who is winning the war in Ukraine:

"We still cannot break the advantage of the Russian army in artillery and in manpower, and this is very felt in the battles, especially in the Donbass – Peski, Avdiivka, and other directions. It's just hell. It can't even be described in words. "

When you consider the fact that Ukraine's armed forces outnumbered the Russians who invaded by a factor of 3 to 1, then you have to ask–exactly what "advantage" does the outnumbered Russian army enjoy? The answer is simple–Russia has air supremacy, superior intelligence and electronic warfare capabilities. It is targeting Ukrainian forward command centers and destroying senior brigade and regimental commanders. This strategy decapitates the chain of command on the frontlines and subjects the troops crouching in trenches and bunkers to seemingly unrelenting barrages of missiles and artillery shells. The result is simple–it demoralizes the troops.

Evidence of this is emerging on social media. First up, the 56th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declaring it will no longer fight because there is no supply and they are being sent to certain death. There is a similar message from men fromthe 58 brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Some of them deserted and returned home to Konotop, in the Sumy region. Like the men in the 56th brigade, these soldiers complain that they were sent to the front with no proper weapons or equipment just to be pounded by Russian artillery. Rather than serve as cannon fodder they left their frontline positions and headed back home with their weapons. . . "

Maybe the Ukies should enlist Afghans. These dudes have defeated both the Russian and American armies! If they can't, there are always plenty of chickenhawks, armchair generals, keyboard commandoes and social justice warriors posting on ISG to send draft notices!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2727372]As usual you are wrong. We want the war to end. Either way Ukraine is totally screwed, as usual.

Pres. Z. Is going to get everyone killed and there will be nothing left to fight over. I guess this is Winning strategy, he must be a Democratic, they love to lose.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travv;2728155]New Batches Of Ukrainian Troops Quit the Fight as Russia Grinds On.
![/QUOTE]Beats me why there are not more Ukrainian desertions. They are like the Wehrmacht who fought on, with high moral, until the very end for a bunch of losers and grifters. Zelensky and his fellow criminals have skimmed a fortune none of us here can comprehend. That is before you factor in their sales of arms, HIMARS etc.

I was expecting the trolls to show up praising Nancy Pelosi. Won't be long now, as the monkey said when he got his tail cut.