Manila

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1582039]Beauty is subjective I guess so I won't comment on your "beauty". I will say under no circumstances is a short time with her worth $200 plus. Just my opinion. If you like that look let me know when you're in Cambodia and I'll fill you in on a place to find the same or better for one tenth the price, or in Thai one seventh.[/QUOTE]That's great news about Cambodia and makes it more likely I will go there. But we're talking about the PI and I have never witnessed your assessment of the PI.

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Burgos has lots of bars. Some allow action right inside. But those have the worst of the worst doing the deeds. The other bars aren't much better. Lots of fat girls by Asian standards. Tons of stretch marks and baby bellies, scars, hairy legs, dirty feet. Nice enough but most can't hold a conversion despite their ability to speak English. Most didn't even know where Cambodia or Vietnam are or the names of their own church and civic leaders. I don't blame them since they grew up in such poor conditions. I'm mentioning it because guys here have lauded these girls as great conversationalists in comparison with Thai and Khmer girls. I can speak English, Thai and Khmer and I would say the knowledge and ability to converse is lower here than anywhere. Plus a lot of older women who are 25+. Way too old to pay for. Unlimited supply of freebies online.

I thought I found a gem with Kojax. Girls seem relatively younger and more fit. Almost no fatties. Met a gal that looked pretty good in the club. Crazy bar fine of 6500. Money is not a big deal for me but the quality has to be there. Outside realize she's pretty average, not even as good as many of the girls I've seen at Mall of Asia shopping with family. Back in the room start running my hands through her hair and find that she has a killer head lice infection. Lice literally falling out on my white sheets in the New World Makati hotel[/QUOTE]I agree w / you on prices, they're ridiculous, and that the quality of sex is amateurish but I did enjoy most of my sessions because of tight pussies and the GFE I received from all the ladies. The AC and Burgos BGs (below) were special fucks, I'm still feeling it.

During my holiday I did not see much baby damage, scars, hairy legs, dirty feet on any of the BGs. I've never dealt w / lice on any of my past trips but I tend to steer clear of the lower tier places so that might be why.

I just think your general assessment is not accurate compared to my experiences. The BG below is 18 and her body is prefect, a little wear and tear but that's part of the scene, it can't be helped.

You obviously have very high standards and there are very few bars to meet your standard. I have known from the very start of my international mongering career that the best of the best are not working these bars. The very best lookers get snapped up fast or gravitate to the bigger money bars. They are no where near AC and they don't sell their wares in a Burgos bar either.

So I do wish you luck in finding the quality you seek. As for AR and his ladies, they are fine but the faces are censored so no one really knows how pretty each one is. His taste for thin and young is spot on and has had a positive influence on me.

On my last visit I enjoyed some very fine women, one in AC, and two on Burgos. There was one un-barfineable lady at Bottoms that was immaculate in body and presence and still had a pristine body as if she'd never been fucked.

Anyhoo cheers Bro, I hope someday we can share a beer and talk shop some more.

Life is good.

My fav from AC.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1582039]Beauty is subjective I guess so I won't comment on your "beauty". I will say under no circumstances is a short time with her worth $200 plus. Just my opinion. If you like that look let me know when you're in Cambodia and I'll fill you in on a place to find the same or better for one tenth the price, or in Thai one seventh.[/QUOTE]I wanted to thank you for your original post regarding your impressions of the country. Like Red Kilt, I live here, and have investments here, which makes it difficult for me to pull up stakes and relocate to a more congenial place. Your characterization of the country evoked feelings that I usually try (not always successfully) to supress, since focusing on the obvious poverty, dirt, ugliness, nightmarish traffic and general hopelessness of the country would compound the difficulty of living here. The bottom line for me is that since I live here, I might as well try to make the best of it. For me, when I'm in Manila, this means rarely venturing outside of the Makati (Fairmont Hotel) and Ortigas (where my office is) areas. I find that if I can hang around the Fairmont, and the nearby Greenbelt Mall, I can, with a little mental effort, forget that I'm on a relatively affluent island surrounded by desperation.

Having spent significant time in Thailand, and a few weeks in Cambodia, I can understand your preference for either of the latter countries. However, if you've not written the Philippines off completely, you might want to consider visiting some of the provincial areas. You won't find any less poverty, but you might find dramatically different attitudes and outlooks. This is one of the major reasons that I prefer Davao, and even Cebu, to the unlivable cesspool of most of Manila.

GE.

Grand Ma Sheila is so horny, she should be paying guys bi bucks to poke her. Hehe.

She will be right at home at LA Cafe. Hehe.

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Meet Sheila Vogel-Coupe: Britain's oldest granny prostitute who's still busy with clients at 85.

Monday 19 May 2014 11:08 am.

Sitting in her chair with a head of grey hair, a buttoned-up cardigan and a beaming smile, you'the be forgiven for thinking Sheila Vogel-Coupe was just like any other grandmother. But that is exactly what she is not.

At 85 years of age Sheila has more notches on her bedpost than most twentysomethings – because she is Britain's oldest prostitute.

On closer examination, you can see that Sheila wears a miniskirt, suspenders and patent heels. And it's no wonder she has such a large grin on her face, given that she rakes in £250 an hour for raunchy romps.

Sheila went on the game four years ago after struggling with loneliness following the death of her second husband, aeronautical engineer Noel Coupe, in 2004.

She used to entertain ten clients a week until she had to go under the knife for an operation in which she had to have 13 in of intestine removed.

Since taking up the world's oldest profession, she has been disowned by her family and seen her story splashed all over the Press – but it isn't enough to get her to give up her lucrative career.

'I don't think I will ever stop,' Sheila says ahead of appearing on new Channel 4 documentary My Granny The Escort.

More: X Factor Katie Waissel 'ruined my career' says porn star gran.

Speaking about her male clients, she said: 'They see something about me. It is a nice feeling.

'Often men call me up and say, "Will you please go on talking because you are turning me on. " I know I am very, very sexy. '

Attempting to explain why she's a granny on the game, she added: 'The most important reason is because I love sex. Even thinking about it makes me feel better.

'It doesn't just begin with sex, there is companionship too. I have been on my own for nine years and I do get lonely. I love the companionship of gentlemen. I really have no inhibitions. '.

More: X Factor star Katie's prostitute gran defends her job.

Some – and not just her many clients – may recognise her after she hit headlines in 2010 for being the grandmother of controversial X Factor contestant Katie Waissel.

Unfortunately when it emerged Waissel's grandmother was an escort, her family didn't take it too well.

But Sheila defiantly adds: 'You would have thought I had committed a murder. They couldn't believe I could do something like that.

'They wanted me to promise I would never do it again. I told them to stuff it. '

The Channel 4 documentary also features 64-year-old Beverley – a grandmother who entertains men at her suburban home, and 57-year-old Sophie who invites clients to her isolated country pad for romps.

My Granny The Escort airs on C4 on Thursday, May 29, at 10 pm.

My post mainly focuses on Makati and Burgos St. I have zero exp compared to others here. The country / government in general is depressing at best. I was only talking about the Makati area and BGs in general. It is a modern day barbaric tradegy, it's the way of ignorance, greed and fear. All the beauty and horror on this planet is orchstrated by nture so it's meant to be as I have come to believe.

I trust nature, not man.

Wow, what an interesting string of posts and conversation!

As someone with only minor experience in the PI limited to a long weekend in Cebu, let me say that these mostly negative verdicts matched my initial impressions. I went to all the Cebu haunts, several per night, trying to find the girls which much of the ISG community has made legendary over the years. I didn't see anything appealing at all. As some of you may have noticed, I have been among those asking for opinions from more experienced PI expats about where to go to find these women, mostly because I am still so perplexed as to why my initial impression seemed to differ so vastly from everyone else. I mean, look at the PI forums! They have got to be the busiest, most active threads on the whole website! Guys are posting pics practically every day.

I was planning to visit again, thinking I had just been unlucky. But now I realize that my initial impressions were correct, so that trip is now officially cancelled. Been eager to visit Myanmar anyway.

That being said, lets clarify one thing, lest people misinterpret our conclusions. Our opinions are about Filipino PUTAs, not all Filipino women in general. If you look at the prostitutes in the USA, you could hardly draw conclusions about all American women. I am sure that there are tons of pretty, smart, educated women in the Phillipines. They just don't hang out in LA Cafe at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Let's emphasize that we are talking about a SPECIFIC demographic here.

I want to say this, first of all, because its right. Secondly, if it is NOT clarified, some knucklehead standing up third world countries is going to launch a tirade of progressive rants targetted at other members. The country and people of the PI don't need to be defended. Just the P4P scene.

I have only been to the Philippines a few times and what keeps drawing me back is not Burgos, or any of the places mentioned in Manila. I have never been to Angeles, and have no desire to go there. The food is not good, the traffic is worse than the food, and it's a difficult country to navigate.

What keeps me coming back is the dating site women I have met. I tend to target the early thirties to early to mid forty year old age group with a good education, decent jobs, and who are still relatively well preserved. For my purposes they do the trick and when we are in public I don't feel like an old pervert. I am an old pervert, but at least there isn't a huge age difference to flag those that see us together. My time with them tends to be for a few days. They are realistic. They know their way around both in and out of the bedroom, and for the most part when they say "I will guide you" they actually know how to get to where you want to go.

When I have been with them, I have seldom had to worry about figuring out boat or bus schedules as they just look after things for me and I simply tag along LOL. As well, they can hold a conversation and we keep in touch with each other between trips. So in fact they have been true girlfriend experiences in every sense of the word but they are also realistic about no commitments.

Which brings me to a bit of a bone of contention. I had one lady who's company I enjoyed immensely drop out of sight just over a year ago. Pfffft gone. As I am coming back in September I recently started to escalate my search for her. I finally found a picture of her relaxing over a glass of wine at her new home in the Netherlands. Some dirty Dutchman scooped her up and relocated her on me. lol How inconsiderate. I was counting on her on this trip again.

I am sure that with only about twenty million available women in the Philippines I will never be able to replace her. There is a lot of crappy things about the Philippines, but these are the women who keep me coming back and enjoying my time there.

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B. But bar girls with head lice, claiming lots of girls also have them, is big, terrible news. That means the average Pinays' personal hygiene and their sanitary conditions are probably behind other Asian countries by about 70 years. Damn. If you pick up these parasites and bring them home, you would never be able to get rid of them and would face big problems.



Fe.[/QUOTE]Hate to burst your anti Pinay crusade, but headlice is a common problem in Asia.

[URL]http://www.headlice.org/news/2005/malaysia.htm[/URL]

[URL]http://www.expatsingapore.com/forum/index.php?topic=73265.0;prev_next%3Dnext[/URL]

[URL]http://www.chinaexpathealth.com/2011/11/13/shanghai-headlice-and-cooties-really.html[/URL]

Have a look at the sites for all International schools in Asia (where given the fees one would assume the parents ensure their kids practice good personal hygiene and you will see they all have discussion groups about this problem. Yes including squeaky clean Singapore.

So if kids have it, high chance other parts of the population have it, yes including Philippines.

Keep trying fella. One day your going to make a meaningful post.

It's hard to argue with documented fact but I think that's mostly limited to school kids right? School kids everywhere get lice. We're talking about adult women working in entertainment and going out at a rate of $200+ per. That's more than a Korean massage parlor charges in New York city and those women are immaculate in their hygiene and makeup. It'd be unheard of to find one with lice.

Additionally I can say in years of living and traveling Asia very extensively and banging several scores of women I have never encountered head lice in person or even in conversation, which leads me to believe it's not common.

I'm not condemning the whole country. But even coming out of one of the poorest countries in the world I was very shocked by stuff like the lice.

I would say it's probably the best place in Asia for easy pick ups and freebies. But that only makes the mediocre bar girls at 200+ seem even worse.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1582254]Wow, what an interesting string of posts and conversation!
[/QUOTE]I don't agree the truth "now" emerges; many commentators have filed the same FR for the bars for several years now. I rarely go to the bars because I find the pickings on the dating sites so much better, and I'm willing to put in the work to cultivate connections. I do visit LA & Gpoint from time to time when friends are in town and yes, it's often dismal. This is not to say there are no attractive girls there, but those who fish at LA tend to favour, overwhelmingly, the East Asian guys.

A decade and half ago it was almost exclusively white guys; there would be a handful of Japanese, but for the most part they kept to themselves and patronised Japanese-oriented places. The Koreans zerg rushed LA and now the mainland Chinese have followed. This will continue. These guys tend to be younger than the whites and are willing to spend more. And don't discount the popularity of kpop dramas and musical groups in the Philippines; the two major TV networks broadcast far more Korean-produced shows than those from the US, boyband concerts sell out, and this helps build an affinity and even desirability for Koreans amongst Pinays.

The rise of the dating sites offers an attractive girl many more pickings from the convenience of her own home or neighbourhood internet cafe. Why ride a bus for a few hours to Manila, then take a couple of jeeps from the depot to LA, pay p100 for a dingy bedspace, and sit in LA (where the girl-to-guy ratio is 3 or 4 to 1) for hours for the chance of meeting a guy? Better stay at home when you have dozens of guys contacting you every day. And many of these girls find fellas abroad who wire them money. Tough choice, eh?

In addition, I know several girls who have been contacted on FC by reps of Korean-owned dating agencies who offer them cash to visit the office, create a profile, and make themselves available to older Korean fellas online; these guys pay a considerable sum to the agency to find them prospective marriage candidates. As long as they keep seeing new and attractive faces they keep renewing their memberships. Korean-owned tourist agencies do a roaring trade with the package-tour groups of men here for golf and sex. Do you think these agencies are going to leave things to chance when the clients are expecting young and hot women? Of course not. And let's not forget the huge number of KTVs that employ bona fide stunners - watch as they swarm out to the street at 3am. Are any of us going there?

Not to insult anyone, but many guys tend to over estimate their attractiveness; research has proven that men consider themselves better looking than they really are and women consider themselves less attractive. If you want an "honest" evaluation of your attractiveness post a photo of yourself on a hot-or-not website; if you're scoring 7 or better you're attractive. Also, older guys tend to underestimate the importance of age. You may be young at heart and have your thumb on the pulse of popular culture, yet everyone else sees you as an "old man". A younger woman may feel uncomfortable and even embarrassed to be seen in such a conspicuous pairing. Years ago she had fewer choices when looking for a younger guy, but this is no longer the case.

I certainly believe the Philippines offers are large number of exceptional yet attainable women, but the numbers looking for a guy like me at LA Cafe and the like grow fewer and fewer. No need to waste my time there. The pizza there is really tasty, though.

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In addition, I know several girls who have been contacted on FC by reps of Korean-owned dating agencies who offer them cash to visit the office, create a profile, and make themselves available to older Korean fellas online; these guys pay a considerable sum to the agency to find them prospective marriage candidates.[/QUOTE]You make a point that the pinays seem to be more enamoured of say Koreans. Yet, Koreans do not marry Pinays as a rule. I think the same is true of Japanese. Koreans have an overwhelming cultural bias to marry other Koreans. It is rare that they venture outside their kind. It may not be as strong as the Japanese but I suspect they work almost the same.

However Westerners marry Pinays. We can really really like them well enough to bring them home to meet mom. These other guys can not. And that is the rub for the Pinay. We should remind our prospective Pinay partners, as we try to woo them away from our East Asian rivals, that we will marry you and they will never.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1582370]You make a point that the pinays seem to be more enamoured of say Koreans. Yet, Koreans do not marry Pinays as a rule. I think the same is true of Japanese. Koreans have an overwhelming cultural bias to marry other Koreans. It is rare that they venture outside their kind. It may not be as strong as the Japanese but I suspect they work almost the same.

However Westerners marry Pinays. We can really really like them well enough to bring them home to meet mom. These other guys can not. And that is the rub for the Pinay. We should remind our prospective Pinay partners, as we try to woo them away from our East Asian rivals, that we will marry you and they will never.[/QUOTE]Maybe I wasn't so clear. These women are paid to create profiles and chat with older Korea blokes, who are often farmers or low-skilled workers, online. They're bait. It's a job. The pay is okay, quite good for doing almost nothing, and they don't need to hang out in a bar waiting for Prince Charming to show up and marry 'em. Moreover, I think most girls learn quickly that there aren't too many Westerners who will marry them either. Sure, they'll talk a wonderful fantasy...

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1582372]Maybe I wasn't so clear. These women are paid to create profiles and chat with older Korea blokes, who are often farmers or low-skilled workers, online. They're bait. It's a job. The pay is okay, quite good for doing almost nothing, and they don't need to hang out in a bar waiting for Prince Charming to show up and marry 'em. Moreover, I think most girls learn quickly that there aren't too many Westerners who will marry them either. Sure, they'll talk a wonderful fantasy...[/QUOTE]Just to add to what Hutsori said:

The Australia Network has been running lots of stories recently about the acute shortage of marriageable-age women in China now (read that as over-abundance of men) because of the one child policy and the (unconfirmed) probability that many female foetuses were aborted because families preferred having a male child as heir.

Two things are discussed in these documentaries:

One is that desperate parents are turning to other countries through dating sites (including so-called mail-order sites) to ensure that their sons marry and produce grandchildren for them, and whilst Philippines is not exactly flavor of the month they are prepared to accept anything.

The second factor is the hordes of horny Chinese guys who don't have any willing girls available to satisfy their lustful urges, hence their travel to places like the Philippines to get laid as often as possible. Travel companies are cashing in on it with "adult entertainment tours" to nearby countries. The Chinese have cash too and the girls here are becoming very much aware of this as well as an awareness that they don't have to snare an older white guy as a possible lifeline for future happenis (oops I mean happiness). Young Chinese are very much suitable for them on many fronts.

So all things considered, expect many more tour groups in the Philippines of young Chinese guys following in the footsteps of the Japanese and Korean guys who blazed the trail before them.

The highest concentration of absolutely gorgeous young pinays that I have ever witnessed has been the students at a number of Manila finishing schools (I was there on purely business matters haha).

What was interesting was that when the schools finished for the day, the most beautiful of the most beautiful were all scooped up by their elderly Pinoy sugar daddys in their luxury cars.

Cheers

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The second factor is the hordes of horny Chinese guys who don't have any willing girls available to satisfy their lustful urges.[/QUOTE]That's because some of us in China are doing our best to scoop them up by the handful. LOL.

This will likely not be a popular post. There is a tendency in the last few days on the ISG PI boards to work the theme of how terrible Pinay WGs are. They exploit. They have Pinoy BFs. Only extort money. Etc, etc.

OK. A lot of this may be true, but those who post are missing an important point. These girls are people. They do what they do for many reasons but there is still vulnerable girl underneath. A girl who tries to construct a shell to protect herself.

Please remember this. Don't get taken advantage of but sometimes you may wish to invest some effort to find the girl in the shell. If you can get there the rewards on both sides are great.