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[QUOTE=Talkyes;2533993]...but that hasn't changed the fact that poor people still love making babies....[/QUOTE]Rich people have many avenues for pleasure. The only pleasure for poor people is sex. Besides poor people have less knowledge of and access to birth control. Furthermore, a baby means an additional farm hand in 10 years.
Trying to do 90 day online. Getting this.
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[QUOTE=Franciscass;2534877]Trying to do 90 day online. Getting this.
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No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent."[/QUOTE]From reading another website today the online system is down, it was reported also particularly at the Jomtien office 90 day reporting was a mess due to some computer breakdown?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2534034]What does what is going on in North America have to do with what is going on in Thailand? How much should such a great service really be in a country like Thailand where the minimum wage is $10/day? 1 day's wage? 2 days' wage? 1 week's wage? A BMW 3 series costs $85,000 in Thailand. In North America it costs $42,000.[/QUOTE]Well, to start, I would point out that "what is going on" as you put it, is more important than where it's going on. In a perfect world a person could move freely from country to country offering the same service without worrying about their income changing drastically. Which is why the point I was making was that sex tourism is directly related us not living in a perfect world, or as some would call it, income inequality. Your car argument is not really a great comparison to sex work because these car manufacturers clearly have a formula for how to optimize their sales globally. If they charged the same in Thailand that they charge in America for their cars, they wouldn't make as much money because fewer people would buy them. Women who are selling themselves typically don't have the option to relocate to whatever country they can get the best deal, or the ones that do have no interest in relocating because they're already in a good spot. Another reason why it's not a good comparison, or at least it doesn't bring clarity to the discussion, is because it only costs twice as much in America, and according to your numbers, minimum wage is less that 10% of what it is in America.
Anyway I meant to post this in the a different forum because that's where the conversation was happening but I won't name it because people in that forum already seem disgruntled about the growing popularity of it, but that's the page I've been checking. I assumed the mods deleted it until I realized it was posted here. I don't want to pretent like I'm an economist and I can explain exactly why the prices are what they are, but I just wanted to try and move the conversation past the idea that people who are willing to pay a bit more so that the service provider will be happy and thus try to make them happy too, are somehow ruining it for everyone.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2534297]Rich people have many avenues for pleasure. The only pleasure for poor people is sex. Besides poor people have less knowledge of and access to birth control. Furthermore, a baby means an additional farm hand in 10 years.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you said and I don't think it contradicts what I was saying. I wasn't trying to disparage poor people for making babies, just trying to tie it into the bigger picture of why sex work is cheaper in poorer countries. The one thing I would disagree with, or at least challenge, is the notion that birth control is for the rich. Condoms are cheap, and given out for free in many countries. And despite what we all learned in sex-ed, the pull-out method works pretty well. I'm just saying it's a more complicated problem than birth control costing money.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2534920]From reading another website today the online system is down, it was reported also particularly at the Jomtien office 90 day reporting was a mess due to some computer breakdown?[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Checking further it seems they didn't renew their security certificate which expired on 21st. Got to love how it works here or doesn't. Day to day admin of immigration policy really needs be given to a private outfit. Thailand 4.0. Will be interesting. Just need to remember to top up those expired certs.
A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2073187/thailand-mulls-waiving-quarantine-for-vaccinated-tourists[/URL].
Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.
[QUOTE=Talkyes;2534969]Your car argument is not really a great comparison to sex work because these car manufacturers clearly have a formula for how to optimize their sales globally.[/QUOTE]There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? Afterall, you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2535306]There is no formula from the car maker. There is a price difference due to taxes. Are you going to the USA and offer just below the price that the car will cost you in Thailand? After you will be saving money because in Thailand it is way more expensive.[/QUOTE]This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.
Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2535202]A new report in Bangkok Post suggests the quarantine may be waived for vaccinated travelers. [URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2073187/thailand-mulls-waiving-quarantine-for-vaccinated-tourists[/URL].
Of course this is pure newspaper speculation and I would be as surprised as anyone if it actually happens before a significant proportion of the Thai population is inoculated, but at least the Govt is thinking about it so maybe something will happen as the rate of new Corona infection slows down in the vaccinated countries.[/QUOTE]This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2535331]This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.[/QUOTE]And we'd need herd immunity or approaching it before these clowns would get this implemented.
[QUOTE=DazeUp;2535314]This is a good point that I've also noticed with these Freddie's. Do they pay the tailors in Thailand more money because it's costs more to get tailor made suits in their countries? Do they pay cab drivers more money for trips because it costs more in the US. Do they pay the street vendors more money because food costs more in the UK? Do they pay the cleaner or the laundry person more money because it costs more money in France? No, but they are hell bent on paying sex workers more money because it costs more in AUS.
Their whole argument is so contradictory. First they travel half way across the world for sex because it's cheaper. Then when they get there they say hey it's more expensive where I just came from so let me pay more. Why don't you just stay where you are and save yourself the expense and hassle of travelling?[/QUOTE]If you look at costs of living comparisons from one country to another, there is pretty wide variance from one thing to another. It's never going to be a perfect science.
But even if you're not saving money proportionate to what you would be with the rest of cost of living expenses, you're still saving money, especially if you make your stay long enough. It more than pays for the flight, not to mention the money you save on the rest of the cost of living expenses like food. And you're also getting a vacation out of it, even if you're just there for the sex, you're getting more than that.
But even all those things aside, take money out of the equation, and you're still comparing apples to oranges when you compare sex work in your home country, moudly apples to Valencia oranges for most of us at that. I live in Canada where options are significantly better than most parts of the states and it still doesn't hold a candle to places like Thailand or Brazil or a dozen other countries I could name. The novelty of just having more options and experiencing the liberated ways they're presented is night and day compared to how it's done here. So yeah saving money is nice but it's far from the only thing.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2535331]This would not surprise me. Despite recent chit chat in these forums that the vaccine will not stop spread of COVID 19, there is non-peer reviewed data to the contrary. That data is based on the Pfizer vaccine and positive experience in Israel. Several days ago I posted a link in this forum.
If that data becomes sufficiently peer reviewed, I would see no reason that Thailand would continue the quarantine requirements for appropriately vaccinated tourists. My guess is such data would need to be reviewed for each of the vaccines as not all use the same technology as the Pfizer.[/QUOTE]There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.
[QUOTE=Downandup;2535492]There is a study in Israel and two more from the UK that are currently undergoing peer review and all show that the vaccines do reduce transmission.[/QUOTE]The French and Germans are not happy with the oxford jab so are not using them up and lie unused.
They're not 100% reliable, and guys who have had jabs of Pfizer have died. And not enough is known about mutations on jabs, no doubt LOS will become a hub of mutations eventually due to all the inbound tourists from everywhere.
Maybe the immunity hasn't built up over many months.
Shifting millions of tourists maybe hard with large numbers of long haul out of service and ready to be scrapped in the breakers yards in Arizona. Airlines would need some full planes especially with 1st class and business class for big profits as low class shows little to no profits to hire more staff again.