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"Americans who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can safely travel at home and abroad, as long as they take basic precautions like wearing masks. ".
Hopefully, this will be taken into consideration as Thailand revises their quarantine policies. Why wait for 70% inoculation if the tourists are vaccinated and safe?
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/health/cdc-travel-vaccinations.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2547078]I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.[/QUOTE]I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2546918]I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2547078]I think you're proving his point. P4 P, you're already paying. You making tipping a norm and it becomes a sense of entitlement whereby if you don't tip, or if you don't tip enough, you'll receive poor service.[/QUOTE]Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.
How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2545138]not taking advantage of a girls circumstances[/QUOTE]We're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.
Under different circumstances, the same girl in the US or western Europe, having had decent educational opportunities and a solid pool of potential husbands, most likely wouldn't be going with an old git like me at all.
There's nothing wrong with minimizing your costs, as long as you treat people with respect. The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2546918]I would love to see this evidence. Please provide it and thanks in advance if you can do so.
Personally I have to ask who is more likely to provide better service, a PFP pay for play gal who is told in advance that she is going to get a huge tip for great service or a PFP lady to whom no tip is mentioned in advance. Surely the former.
Of course the PFP person would have to understand what great service means. We should also define that. Is it different from great attitude? Does it involve what type of services she is willing to give? I'd suggest that many PFP women in Bangkok would not be willing to perform the service of BB bareback sex, but if enough of a tip is offered then lo and behold they suddenly do a 180 and become willing to offer this great service. Is that not evidence that tipping can often bring better service?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.infosurv.com/does-tipping-encourage-better-customer-service/[/URL]#text=Generally%2 C%20 how%20 much%20 people%20 tip, with%20 the%20 quality%20 of%20 service. &text=The%20 same%20 study%20 found%20 in, weakly%20 correlated%20 with%20 bigger%20 tips.
"he same study found in surveys that people say they tip almost exclusively based on the level of service, however, in field studies in actual restaurants find that better service is weakly correlated with bigger tips. ".
Now am I saying that if you are a weak beta male who is unattractive you cannot use the carrot of a big tip to increase your value, sure you can.
What I'm getting at is best illustrated by these examples.
Situation 1 Newbie monger gets the standard fuck and suck and he is blown away can't sing enough of her praises pays 2000.
Situation 2 Pinkpearl comes along and promises a "big tip" for good service, she again gives the standard fuck and suck that she got praised for earlier, but PP said that's the norm not excellent service refuses a tip they argue and everyone leaves unhappy.
Situation 3 "tipper" guy comes along and same thing happens standard suck and fuck tips 1000 baht as he happy.
Situation 4 "tipper2" guy comes along standard suck and fuck, this time tips 500 baht again argument as she says last time got 1000 now why 500 baht he relents as doesn't want trouble.
Situation 5 Average monger comes along and she says I want 1000 baht tip I make you happy OK, IE now her expectation is 1000 baht on top of her 2000 fee to do exactly what she did with Sit 1.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2544594] Tell me of a first world nation where these services are substantially cheaper than the USA, and is available at that low price for non citizens / tourists. So what I'm saying is a countries poverty is the reason why labor costs are so low, hence things like healthcare, massages, accommodation are low priced, likewise this explains why P4P is cheaper.[/QUOTE]Taiwan is a developed country. It is much cheaper than in USA. Healthcae is substantially cheaper. A visit with everything out of pocket is cheaper than my US copay. A first class haircut is less than $20 including wash. Padi+madi is $10. A good omasake can be had for less than $30. A very good oamasake less than $50. Prostitution is illegal. A good session with a beautiful girl can be had for under $70/ HR, lower if the girls are older.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2547299]We're all taking advantage of their circumstances. Whether they accept 500 or 3000 baht is beside the point.[/QUOTE]Likewise they are taking advantage of our circumstances. Is that not what a market is? An exchange of needs, wants, goods, services, and currency. When you go buy an item at the grocery store are you taking advantage of the grocer that is exchanging the product you need for money, or is he taking advantage of you? You are taking advantage of each other I would think.
Under different circumstances in the US or Western Europe a man would take a chick out and spend a considerable amount on dinner and shit IN HOPES of getting some pussy. A chick can go out with 5 different dudes each week getting a fully belly and fulfilling the hopes of none of the guys. Who has the advantage in that?
The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2547299]The label "cheap Charlie" was invented by people running Farang-oriented bars to socially shame the low spenders.[/QUOTE]It is also used by broke ass chicks around the world in attempts to shame men out of their money. Glad is does not work on me.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2547225]I am not a tipper, but how is this so if you are giving the tip AFTER the service?[/QUOTE]Because now girls are asking a tip as part of the negotiation IE how much you tip me or tip me xyz I give you good service etc etc etc or they simply add the tip as part of the price IE 2000 become 3000 due to all the guys tipping 1000 for just a girls normal service so she now thinks she worth 3000 and that becomes the new base market rate.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2547341]The fair exchange that we practice in Thailand is not a robbery. Each one of us have probably had just as many chicks decline offers from us as have accepted. That in itself tells you that we have no particular advantage over anyone.[/QUOTE]We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.
However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.
For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/leaders/2014/08/07/a-personal-choice[/URL]
A superb article, appropo to all mongers everywhere.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2547385]We're all mongers here, and have found ways to rationalize our behavior as fair.
However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.
For this reason, I think that shaming fellow mongers as "cheap Charlies" and "taking advantage" is particularly insidious and bad manners. A perfect example of pot calling the kettle black.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2547258]Proving his point? How is that? Please elaborate.
How is it making tipping a norm if a punter, who because he has become jaded from spending so many months in the LOS Land of Smiles, finds 90% of gals he picked up, namely streetwalkers, to be unworthy of a repeat or a tip?[/QUOTE]You seem bent on examining things in isolation, you think tipping improves attitude, guess what so do many other men, and their accumulative action of tipping is what creates the norm to these girls. Of course your individual actions won't do much by itself. So the fact you don't do repeats is a moot point. Have you considered that maybe the reason that these girls you deem unworthy of a tip, maybe that way due to the behavior of mongers in the past. The most common complaint I hear from men about a girls attitude is demanding tips or asking for tips even before service has began.
Or another possibility is maybe she just isn't into you, but I would have thought given your examples, offering a BIG tip would change most girls from a being cold fish to a hot ready to please fucklet. Seems to me this disproves your theory that tipping improves service.
I will concede, that if you are a below average man in appearance or charisma IE you are so physically ugly or so obnoxious and annoying that you need to pay extra (call it a tip) to get a woman to agree to fuck you, or if you are requesting something that is out of the norm or dangerous (most sane people would consider bareback sex with a prostitute not the norm and unsafe) then you would have to pay extra (call that a tip).
Anyway like I said, guys who want to tip, overpay or call it whatever you want, can do as you please as its your money, but no way in hell will I be divulging where I find my 19 yrs old to fuck for 20 dollars, or the equivalent gem finds in the applicable countries. Feel free to pay as much as you like for women who already are overpriced, as these are not the waters I fish in.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2547385]However, it's worth keeping in mind that we're still seen as "taking advantage" of the prostitutes by the society at large, basically by 90% of non-mongers. How many of us would happily admit to friends and family members back home that we're just getting a fair deal by banging Thai girls 30 years younger than us, regardless of the amount we paid? I sure wouldn't.[/QUOTE]All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said “why else would a man go to Thailand?”
I have several Thai friends in USA and they are supportive of what I do. They view it as recreation for me and financial support for the girls and their family.
Getting closer, but still seems like a lifetime!
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2547459]All of my friends, coworkers, and family at home know that I go to Thailand and most of them assume I go for sex. A few of them have asked me and I tell them that sex is part of the trip. Nobody has expressed any discomfort with the concept. One female friend said why else would a man go to Thailand?[/QUOTE]I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2547464]I do not know why people think they will carry a scarlet letter if their friends and family know they are off fucking hookers. It has been a common thing for men to do since the dawn of time. No big deal.[/QUOTE]In USA we can thank our schools and churches for that view.