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I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
Slim
In pathology, the classification of "Herpes virus" is a very vague one. Chickenpox, eppstein-barr and CMV.
In common usage though, you're talking about the Herpes Simplex Virus (HSV). HSV-1 is generally what's known as "oral herpes" and HSV-2 is generally known as "genital herpes". As someone said a few previous posts back.- it's possible to be infected with HSV-1 in your genital region, and HSV-2 around your mouth. With that said, In the odd chance that you are infected this way, your symptoms generally are much less severe and less frequent than if you were infected with the 'correct' strain for that area of your body.
Transmission is obviously most easily done when there is contact with mucous membranes, as with any disease. Even so, the virus can still be transmitted via skin-to-skin, or if some vaginal fluid finds its way. For instance, I had a patient who presented with anal herpes, who (claimed) that the girl was wet, and her fluids leaked to his ass. While I'm not sure if this is true, it's definitely possible.
[QUOTE=Nvslim]I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
Slim[/QUOTE]
If you have a normal sized Farang dick you should bring your own condoms from the States or wherever. Sometimes you buy a condom in Thailand and it's too small and will therefore be prone to tearing. I prefer the roomy ones with a big head, and as for lubrication, too much dulls the sensation but not enough can also cause problems. I personally don't care about the lubrication because at my age only a BBBJ with CIM will get me off.
BTW, many of the major brands are made in Thailand, but it's difficult to find the larger sizes in BKK.
[QUOTE=Nvslim]I have been following these discussions with great interest but not much on which brands of condom you guys prefer and their availability in Thailand. Which feels best and which are most reliable? Use lube or dry? Haven't needed them in 20 years so know little.
Thanks,
Slim[/QUOTE]Durex condoms are widely available in Thailand (every 7-Eleven for instance can provide various models by this brand). In Thailand, I use Durex Pleasuremax condoms but my favorite condom is probably the "Mutual Pleasure" model from Hansaplast (I don't know whether or not it's available here, I buy those while I'm back in France).
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Sometimes you buy a condom in Thailand and it's too small and will therefore be prone to tearing. I prefer the roomy ones with a big head, and as for lubrication, too much dulls the sensation but not enough can also cause problems. I personally don't care about the lubrication because at my age only a BBBJ with CIM will get me off.
BTW, many of the major brands are made in Thailand, but it's difficult to find the larger sizes in BKK.[/QUOTE]
No its not difficult really.
DUREX Comfort is 54mm with the larger bulbed head.
I don't find it much different to larger size from Germany, Australia, etc.
Available in most 7/11 or Pharmacies in Sukhumvit Road or Patpong district, but non-touristy areas may not have it.
Standard 52mm is available of course and 49mm.
For prolonged sex with a condom, lube becomes essential.
I think KY is crap. Too sticky. Durex Play is a passable but not great.
I prefer Condomi or Ritex Gel that I got from Germany Schlecker store.
My doctor(good doctor at maybe best hospital in bkk) that from the issan sex workers he tests about 9 in 10 have hpv and the gay sex workers including very bi-sexual about 1 in 3 for Hiv and 1 in 2 if gay gay and older.
i don't want to make people afriad of thai sex worker but not wearing a condom is spitting at life and spitting at the world and is a show that the person is very uneducated or very bitter and angry or very very selfish and angry.
The doctor told me that the workers themselves are normally very uneducated and a lot don't show outside symtons of their std's and the men they have sex with may not show symtons for many months or not at all if have good white cells? but still carry the std and spread it.
Maybe i should not say but the rate of std's in Thailand is very much higher over what is official but Tourist money is so high that is better not to you know give a bad image. Is there information on the official numbers of std in thailand here.
Just wear a condom. it's the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=Opebo]But Pink, even if I sit in this chair naked, I feel it more than when I'm wearing trousers.
I should think my claims that one feels a thing more when one touches it than when one is separated from it are fairly uncontroversial.[/QUOTE]I think it should be uncontroversial that a condom cannot be compared to a pair of trousers, certainly not jeans. Maybe if they were made of some very fine material like a woman's silk neglige. And then the same could be soaked with water, oil, or liquid KY.
As to the point of separation, if a lady massages my lubed up balls with a latex medical glove, she is still touching me even if indirectly. It is not like she is in another room down the hall. And, BTW, in my experience, there is no perceptible difference in sensation between the use of the gloved and the bare hand on my nutsacks, with generous amounts of lube being used for both.
But unlike the glove massage with lube, where the glove is free to move around on the male genitals, and with it move the lube as well, the condom may not be moving around on the penis during a CBJ or CFS, and as a result the sensation may not be as good as bareback. Personally I find that during a CBJ the sucking motions tend to pull the condom upwards and towards coming off, so there is a lot of friction which may enhance the feeling to the point of making it feel as good as a BBBJ. BTW the saliva as a lube from a BBBJ may not be as pleasurable as a store bought liquid lubricant placed on the dick prior to the CBJ. Have you ever tried the heat sensation lubes?
For me there is a psychological turn on factor of the bare BJ as opposed to the same with a condom, especially if it is a coloured condom that obscures my view, as opposed to a crystal clear see through cover. But this mental turn on may be cancelled out due to the worrisome thoughts about getting STDs.
[QUOTE=Goyave]
Again, I am not advocating uncovered sex (bis repetita placent), but you have to admit that a covered blow job (for instance) performed by the same girl with an equal mastery can't provide you the same agreeable sensations than an uncovered one. The difference is even more obvious if the girl has poor skills.
With or without lube inside them, do you see often a guy caressing his girlfriend's hair with surgeon gloves? You should try it as you believe that the sensation can be "as good as or even better than without" them.[/QUOTE]I have earlier today addressed the BJ subject with my experiences and ideas in a post to Opebo.
Re your hair example, I have never tried this and would suggest it is a case of apples and oranges. What I have tried is recieving a balls massage with a lubed up latex glove and also with a bare hand, and the sensation was the same in either case. This example also is touched upon in more detail in the above mentioned post.
[QUOTE=Freeman 418]I don't give a toss about any of this philosophizing about what feels better.
The topic, if I'm correct, is about Safe sex in Thailand.. maybe I read it wrong.
The point is that if I have HPV, warts, herpes, Hep C, or whatever, and go out and give it bareback to a few 100 girls, and especially the places I know that you frequent.. chances are you're gonna get a nice gift.
But this is the sort of behavior you're advocating..
So in the end do what you want to do.. or what you think feels better. Who cares?[/QUOTE]To answer the question.
I guess one concern is that if those going BB are spreading disease, that is putting those who practice safe sex at greater risk. If the condom breaks, for example, and one picks up HIV, a death sentence, from a lady who would not have otherwise had HIV if some guy going bareback hadn't infected her.
30 days at Thailand, 8 differentet girls, and I think I got Mononucleosis.
I don't know why people don't speak about this too much, if you have not beeing infected by mono before, and you like kissing, I guess you have a 100% probabilty of catching it. And it's quite a nasty illness.
[QUOTE=Freeman 418]I don't give a toss about any of this philosophizing about what feels better.
The topic, if I'm correct, is about Safe sex in Thailand.. maybe I read it wrong.
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Then don't f**king reply
[QUOTE=Dardo]30 days at Thailand, 8 differentet girls, and I think I got Mononucleosis.
I don't know why people don't speak about this too much, if you have not beeing infected by mono before, and you like kissing, I guess you have a 100% probabilty of catching it. And it's quite a nasty illness.[/QUOTE]
Seems to be another name for "Glandular Fever".
Obviously we do not have a 100% probability of catching it, otherwise we all would have caught it already.
I have been kissing many girls for years and still do not have it,
or perhaps I have had it already without knowing and recovered. I did have a severe virus for several days 2-3 years back without knowing what it was (but no swollen glands to my knowledge), probably caught from a P4P girl.
Or maybe I have been lucky enough not to kiss a girl that is currently contagious with this virus.
Kissing is well known to be dangerous for catching various viruses from girls. Its generally significantly more dangerous than giving DATY for example.
[QUOTE=Thai Companion]My doctor(good doctor at maybe best hospital in bkk) that from the issan sex workers he tests about 9 in 10 have hpv ......[/QUOTE]
I have to be sceptical of this figure.
I believe from, internet browsing, that 50% of sexually active people acquire HPV at some point in their lives, but 90% of people can eliminate it, through their own immune system, within 2 years.
Now given that many high class P4P girls insist on condoms all the time, and given that a fairly good percentage of those who have had it are already cured, it seems impossible that 9 out of ten tested can currently have it.
If you said 9 out of 10 P4Ps have had it at some point, I would find that more plausible.
It seems that longer term P4Ps may be actually less likely to have HPV if their immune system has already had enough time to eliminate it. Newbies with HPV are more likely to still have it.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Now given that many high class P4P girls insist on condoms all the time...[/QUOTE]
Not with their 'boyfriends' (pimps), ML. In all seriousness the idea of a woman who never has actual sex is a kind of absurdity. Do any of you really believe such women exist?
The mongerman, sex provider, or even the sexually active adult who has not been exposed to HPV must be an great rarity.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Not with their 'boyfriends' (pimps), ML. In all seriousness the idea of a woman who never has actual sex is a kind of absurdity. Do any of you really believe such women exist?
The mongerman, sex provider, or even the sexually active adult who has not been exposed to HPV must be an great rarity.[/QUOTE]
A percentage of P4P girls are smart enough not to have any boyfriend leaching off them, believe it or not.
Classy Thai guys usually won't have a bar of a P4P girl, and she sometimes doesn't want to pick up a lousy BF who will just sponge off her.
Many P4P girls are getting plenty of sex and don't need any recreational sex as well. I don't know the percentages. Doing an accurate survey is obviously impossible.
Perhaps the number of P4Ps that have had HPV and already fully eliminated it might be a low percentage, if we were to assume that average length of time doing P4P was 3 years or less. But I don't know the average number of years.
Actually I don't know why I am talking about P4P, as non P4P girls having heaps of BB sex are at higher risk than P4Ps who use condoms. As you pointed out any sexually active adult.
Also that 50% of people getting it at some time might be a USA figure rather than Thailand figure. So I am starting to conceded that a high percentage currently having the HPV is vaguely possible. But 90% still stretches my imagination.
Anyway Opebo, don't be concerned. If you were ever going to get it, you would have had it long ago and may not have it any longer.
The rest of us using condoms are not going to be too worried about it either.
There is now a vaccination for girls and may well be one for men in the near future, or we can just get innoculated same as girls, but I seem to recall its expensive.
Gardasil I think its called.