Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Samata61; 1128374]I arrived late to BKK, took a little rest then off to Baccara I went.

Based on the advice of the Senior Members, I was late since I did not get there till 9:30 and the place was jammed with customers both downstairs and upstairs; 90% Asians.

Lots of girls dancing decent looking with lots of silicon but I did not really see any stunner and was worried that I was late. The next group of dancers arrived and I noticed a fine looking creature with cute face, great proportion, and perfect size tits that had to be natural so I asked the waitress to call her over.

She looks even better up close and the conversation went really well but when I asked about the cost, she politely declined, explaining that she only goes with Asian (Japanese ATM) and wants to go back to the dance floor. I was very disappointed so I called her Mamasan who concurred saying that she never saw her leave with anyone but Japanese.

I watched the dancers but I could not find anyone I like so I called the same girl over again and continued to talk to see why she won't go with and she explained that she is scared and heard some not so good stories about Americans so I tried to be as nice as possible to try to make her feel comfortable. Another song came and once again she excused herself to go dancing and this time I noticed that she was talking to another girl at the dance floor who looked a little like her so I asked the waitress to call the second girl who turned out to be her best friend but not nearly as pretty with very small tits. I was trying to some inside information and asked what will take for me to convince her friend to go with me. She explained that her friend liked me but she is uncomfortable with Americans, scared of the size, and told me a story about an American who took a girl last night and did not pay her (Probably bull shit). My girl was done dancing so I asked her over again and now I am sitting and talking to both girls so the friend finally spitted out and told that my girl will go with me if I pay her in advance. I was obviously uncomfortable with the unusual request and said what if she does not come of does not perform and her answer was 'my mamasan will kill her'

I wanted her for a LT but she said she can only stay till 5am; we agreed on 3000 and I threw all cautions to the wind and paid her on the spot.

I was getting hungry so we went to a Thai restaurant right off Soi Cowboy and the food was fantastic.

Arrived to the hotel around midnight, opened a bottle of wine, and continued to talk but that could not be the case as she started undressing me and complemented the beauty of my member while I started undressing her slowly while DFK. I touched her pussy and was surprised how wet she was; I was supper hard too and she really wants to fuck. We moved to bed CG then missionary style and she came ahead of me then switched to doggy till I came.

We continued to talk and drink till about 1:30 then she explained that she needs to get some sleep since she has a very long day ahead of her and set up her phone to ring at 4am for more action.

Phone rang at 4 and was ignored by both of us and around 5:30 she started kissing my back and playing with my dick till I got hard again. We both jumped to the bathroom brushed our teeth; more hot action then she left around 6:30.

I was really tempted to ask her to come back in the evening but it was my first mongering day in Bangkok and I wanted to try other girls.

Looks 9, Performance 8, Attitude 8[/QUOTE]Thank you for your informative report.

It is really interesting to hear about the 90% Asians thingie. Last time I was in Baccarra was in 2009 and as far as I can remember by far most customers were Westerners (Europeans / Americans). Perhaps more Asians upstairs but still definitely not anywhere near 90% and perhaps not even 50. Could it be that things have changed so quickly over just 1-2 years? Also it is very strange to hear that the girl refused to go with you in the beginning. I have never experienced anything like that and have never heard of this happening to anyone I know (and I know a few mongers who had quite a few bargirls). Some girls don't want to go LT but not go at all? That is very strange. I don't want to sound intimidating or disrespectful by any means to you but could there be any objective reason for that? Such as regarding your appearance, body size, haircut, unshaved beard or anything else why she might not wanted to go with you?

I mean I would be a very strange and indeed very bad practice for the bars to allow their go-go girls not to go with some clients while go with others. This would ruin their image and indeed if this is really true what you wrote, already did! Besides I have never heard of anything like that and that just sounds unimaginable to me. Even if the girl is not too willing to go she usually does anyway and just stays a coldfish the whole time (it happened to me once or twice).

I wonder what is the opinion of other experienced mongers? Does this happen often or was that girl just really in a bad mood or outright mad?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1128589]Thank you for your informative report. Could it be that things have changed so quickly over just 1-2 years?[/QUOTE]Just shows who has the money. Lots of Asians working in Bangkok and living near SC. They don't have regualar GFs or giks, but do have big salaries. Old farangs on holiday go to Pattaya as they like the prices there (RTFF). Moneyed and young farangs in BKK (with game) usually have GFs or giks, and / or don't like to pay the crazy ST go-go prices. Two hours at a massage shop with a woman willing to please is a lot more cost effective than a hurried hit-or-miss stab at a temperamental go-go diva. Of course, some of the those go-go girls are nastier than you can imagine, and will fck the life out of you in an hour or two. Good luck for some, it seems.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1128589]Besides I have never heard of anything like that and that just sounds unimainable to be. Even if the girl is not too willing to go she usually does anyway and just stays a coldfish the whole time (it happened to me once or twice).[/QUOTE]Go-go dancers (in demand) are not obliged to go with anyone that asks. However, they usually do have quotas for barfines and drinks that reflect on their bar pay packet at the end of the month. A few generous Asian customers can more than offset any deductions for quantity of barfines.

Many clubs actually prefer their best looking dancers not be barfined as they sell a lot more drinks with them around in the club. The profit money for the club is in selling expensive drinks and watered down lady drinks, not seeing their main "attractions" leave too easily.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1128589]I mean I would be a very strange and indeed very bad practice for the bars to allow their go-go girls not to go with some clients while go with others. This would ruin their image and indeed if this is really true what you wrote, already did! Besides I have never heard of anything like that and that just sounds unimaginable to me. Even if the girl is not too willing to go she usually does anyway and just stays a coldfish the whole time (it happened to me once or twice).

I wonder what is the opinion of other experienced mongers? Does this happen often or was that girl just really in a bad mood or outright mad? [/QUOTE]I have seen it done before, it quite Common Actually. Granted it usually flies under the radar because they aren't honest about it but it happens a lot.

Ever wanted to Barfine a Cute Hostess but "she not go with Customer", or a BG that "Already man pay her Barfine", or if you want LT she will say she cannot. Or she will tell you she can go for 4000 LT?

These are hidden messages for them not to go with you and for you not to get offended.

I know for a Fact that a few girls I have been with absolutely hate Blacks, Arabs and Indians so they will try every trick to make sure these customers do not Barfine them. The Bars don't care because if the girls stay in the bar, they make money from Drinks anyway.

I think it is good that not all girls are forced to go with all customers and that there is some kind or "Rapport" when going back to the hotel.

A lady at Amore Massage (very pretty and very white) says that she choose to work at Amore, with no salary for the massage but is Free to offer extras or not. She said that many times customers were not very nice or too pushy and she said she can do only massage and not Special. She offered to change girls.

She likes to work at Amore because she has the right to refuse special to customers and the Massage joint will not be angry with her.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1128594]Many clubs actually prefer their best looking dancers not be barfined as they sell a lot more drinks with them around in the club. The profit money for the club is in selling expensive drinks and watered down lady drinks, not seeing their main "attractions" leave too easily.[/QUOTE]I know this may be the case in some smaller bars and this is what is definitely happening in places like Patong beer-bars in Patong Beach (and I guess elsewhere). I know it may be a struggle to get the girl out straight away and go with you to the hotel.

But I wouldn't think this is a common practice in places like Baccarra, Rainbow4 or Sharks Bar. These places are so huge and busy so that rotation has to be quick for all girls to even be able to step on the stage at least twice in one night, not to mention that some "best" ones would have to stay there all night and earn drinks. Someone once told me there were around 300 girls in Rainbow 4 (that was 2007 though) so I'm sure with thee numbers they don't mess around with keeping their "best looking" girls on the stage. It's a quick action there sometimes and all the best girls are barfined after or even before 10pm on some busier evenings.

Anyway I guess there is still alot I need to learn. I just couldn't take if some girl would simply refuse to go with me without a very good reason, especially since I always try to do my best in terms of appearance and behavior. But I guess it's good to know that sometimes it may not go 100% your way.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok;1128594]Moneyed and young farangs in BKK (with game) usually have GFs or giks, and / or don't like to pay the crazy ST go-go prices. Two hours at a massage shop with a woman willing to please is a lot more cost effective than a hurried hit-or-miss stab at a temperamental go-go diva.[/QUOTE]Well that would be me.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1128602]I have seen it done before, it quite Common Actually. Granted it usually flies under the radar because they aren't honest about it but it happens a lot.

Ever wanted to Barfine a Cute Hostess but "she not go with Customer", or a BG that "Already man pay her Barfine", or if you want LT she will say she cannot. Or she will tell you she can go for 4000 LT? [/quote]Isn't 4000LT a normal price in Rainbow 4 or Baccarra while ST is 2000? At least this seems to be the case for the past 5 years or so now. Although it may go down to 3000 LT after even a minimal negotiating (sometimes not though).

Many girls would indeed not go LT although sometimes they change their mind after they're in the hotel. However it has never happened to me that she would just refuse to go. I mean I had around 20 girls in various bars in Bangkok, Pattaya and Patong over the past 4 years and it never happened. Is it possible that things like looks, age, general appearance and behavior can be some sort of a qualifying factor in some situations?

As for blacks, Arabs and Indians it is definitely true knowing that racism is strong in Asia and that's the way it is. There's nothing to be done about it and, to be honest, I'm feeling a little sorry for those guys who fall "victims" of such "policies" and social attitudes of Thai and other Asian societies.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1128605]But I wouldn't think this is a common practice in places like Baccarra, Rainbow4 or Sharks Bar. These places are so huge and busy so that rotation has to be quick for all girls to even be able to step on the stage at least twice in one night, not to mention that some "best" ones would have to stay there all night and earn drinks.[/QUOTE]Girls in Baccara, RB4 or Sharks are not pressured to go with customers. And the popular ones usually like to go through 2 ST before they settle on a LT. They have Plenty of customers.

If they don't like you, they will do their best to avoid looking at you or smiling. I remember one day I was at Baccara and asked the Waitress to get me a girl I liked. The girl sat with me and was not comfortable. She apologized, said she was scared of going with a White Farang, she was very sorry and she would pay for her drink. I asked her if she could sit and talk just until she finishes her drink. During the 10mn we sat and talked, the waitress approached her 3 times to tell her some Japs were asking about her. She eventually excused herself and left.

Such is life for the busy girls, there are a lot of customers to choose from.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147016[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147017[/ATTACH]

BTW, I managed to find a few gems around BKK on my recent trip. One was Nong from Soi Cowboy. Cute, great attitude and expensive (oh well. 2/3). I don't take photos like I used to but for these I had a tripod, shutter release and SLR Digital. It really helped with the indoor shots.

Oops forgot this one.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147018[/ATTACH]

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1128605]Anyway I guess there is still alot I need to learn. I just couldn't take if some girl would simply refuse to go with me without a very good reason, especially since I always try to do my best in terms of appearance and behavior. But I guess it's good to know that sometimes it may not go 100% your way.[/QUOTE]Thailand is full of beautiful fish. Mongering is a lot like fishing.

When angling for a big one, it can either be "catch and release," or "catch and eat." Sometimes both. Even the best fisherman has a beautiful, big fish spit out the hook just before the net scoops it up.

Fishing is a lot like life. Often there is no answer to,"why?"

That is why it is good to drink while fishing. You always catch a buzz.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1128583]Completely agree here. Do not go with these girls if you're only looking for sex. I did the TLL thing for 6 months before I found a real gem and make her my g / f. I had to wade through a lot of shit. These girls play a lot of games. Some girls just want to fuck a farang once or twice, some just want free dinner, some just want a free English lesson, and some really really want a farang boyfriend. Many of them have serious emotional issues and it's obvious from the start. They will start crying when you try to leave them, or will start showing up at your door unannounced. One time I was fucking one and another knocked on my door. Was not pretty.

Many are very very nice but do not expect to (always) have the same quality of sex you would have with a Nana Plaza girl. Many of these girls consider themselves to be "good" girls. That said, I would say 80% of them fucked me on the first date. The others usually just didn't answer their phones or wanted to play hard to get which I just didn't have the time (or the patience) for.

As a rule, I never went out with a girl from TLL who was from Isaan. They seem to want the marriage thing more than others. I also didn't go out with any girl who didn't have at least a college degree, and although I fucked a few young ones (an 18-year old uni girl once came over in her uniform to fuck me) , I made it clear that I was looking for someone in the 24-27 age group. The younger girls are very very immature and like to play games. But again, I was looking for a relationship, which I eventually got. But I definitely had fun along the way! [/QUOTE]When looking for a girlfriend, I really try to avoid the Isaan girls. They're generally a huge headache. Not that it's completely their fault; they often have family members breathing down their neck wondering when they're going to strike it rich with a dumb farang with a big loose wallet. And yes, under 25 almost always means a lot of games and problems too.

You have to be real careful and get away from anyone who starts getting nutty, which many of them do.


[quote]Many clubs actually prefer their best looking dancers not be barfined as they sell a lot more drinks with them around in the club. The profit money for the club is in selling expensive drinks and watered down lady drinks, not seeing their main "attractions" leave too easily. [/quote]

I suspect it won't be long before Baccara is a hostess club and any decent looking girl isn't barfineable.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1128632]Thailand is full of beautiful fish. Mongering is a lot like fishing.

When angling for a big one, it can either be "catch and release," or "catch and eat." Sometimes both. Even the best fisherman has a beautiful, big fish spit out the hook just before the net scoops it up.

Fishing is a lot like life. Often there is no answer to,"why?"

That is why it is good to drink while fishing. You always catch a buzz. [/QUOTE]Am I the only one that could not make sense of this post?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1128634]I suspect it won't be long before Baccara is a hostess club and any decent looking girl isn't barfineable.[/QUOTE]The Asian's Favourite model. Go to the Club (Coyote or Hostess) to drink and get a companion to sit with you. Then go to Massage Parlors for sex.

Listen to how dumb (and not even good looking) these girls are: [url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/multimedia/vdo/223515/the-coyote-dancers[/url]

(Thanks Pita123 for the Link)

[QUOTE=Growtek; 1128623]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147016[/ATTACH]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]147017[/ATTACH]

BTW, I managed to find a few gems around BKK on my recent trip. One was Nong from Soi Cowboy. Cute, great attitude and expensive (oh well. 2/3). I don't take photos like I used to but for these I had a tripod, shutter release and SLR Digital. It really helped with the indoor shots. [/QUOTE]She looks like a buffalo. Waste of camera equipment.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1128635]Am I the only one that could not make sense of this post?[/QUOTE]When's the last time you went fishin'?