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"The government has signed a supply agreement for 20 million doses of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, three months after it said it would buy them.

The delivery is expected in the fourth quarter of this year."

[URL]https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2151939/contract-to-buy-20m-doses-of-pfizer-vaccine-signed[/URL]

So unless you are willing to jump through hoops and play sand box derby, the 1st quarter of 2022 is the soonest you can expect the Thai Government to ease up and allow things to come back on line and by that I mean when we will be able to fly into BKK, go anywhere we want in country, when we want, with no restrictions, no rules, no quarantines, no lockdowns, no curfews and hopefully with a significant number of bars, clubs, lounges, massage parlors, and Go Go's open and ready (starving) for business.

I have my hotel reservations already booked for March / April / May. These reservations are all pay later, no penalty cancellations up until the day before arrival, and are all at a significant 50% or more discount from pre-covid prices which is why I locked them in. But I will hold off on flight reservations until early January 2022 when I decide for real if I am actually going to Thailand in spring 2022.

BTW if I do go, I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2582493]I will permanently blackball and never barfine any Go Go girl that asks me for 3000 bhat for ST. 555. This is the big reset. Let's not fuck it up boys.[/QUOTE]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2582544]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.[/QUOTE]Croc, I am more optimistic than you and at least for the next couple of years I see an opportunity.

Covid has ravaged the economies of Thailand, Cambodia, Burma, and the PI. I think there will be plenty of young girls looking to enter the market for the 1st time to make some serious foreign exchange plus many experienced girls will return.

Demand will always be there, but it remains to be seen how soon it will recover to pre-covid levels. For example, I think many NE Asian international companies might prefer to keep their current internet communication setups and as a result international business travel may lag for years.

We shall see what we see, but I think 2022 should be pretty good.

I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.

July 30, 2021
[B]First 1.5 million doses of US-donated Pfizer vaccine have arrived in Thailand.
The Biden-led government has pledged to give a million more doses of the mRNA vaccine to the kingdom in the coming months.[/B]
[URL]https://www.timeout.com/bangkok/news/first-1-5-million-doses-of-us-donated-pfizer-vaccine-have-arrived-in-thailand-073021[/URL]
[QUOTE]On Friday (July 30), the first batch of Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccines donated by the US government landed at Suvarnabhumi Airport to provide support for the kingdom to fight the worrying healthcare crisis.

Now that the situation in the US seems to be under control, the Biden-Harris administration has agreed to lend their helping hands in giving support to the international COVID fight by 'sharing' at least 80 million doses of its own Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine supply to countries in need, 23 million of which will be provided to Asia. Thailand, being the US' "oldest ally in Asia," will receive a total of 2.5 million doses in two batches, with the first batch of 1,503,450 doses has arrived by a DHL fleet.

These donations are in addition to the United States $4 billion in commitments to COVAX, the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access Initiative.

Recognized by its high efficacy examined through wide-ranging researches, the Pfizer-BoNTec COVID-19 vaccine has been one of the most widely accepted vaccines approved by many countries to provide to the general public.

According to an infographic released by the Prime Minister Operations Center (PMOC)m, these 1.5 million US-donated vaccine doses will be distributed to five groups of frontliners and high-risk individuals:

700,000 doses to medical frontliners across the country.
645,000 doses to Thai citizens highly prone to risks:
Senior citizens (60+ years of age).
Individuals with severe chronic diseases.
Pregnant women (with 12-week pregnancy).
Individuals planning to travel abroad, such as diplomats.
5,000 doses to academic researchers.
40,000 doses will be kept as spare supplies in case of a new variant outbreak.
The US Embassy in Bangkok has reaffirmed through the press announcement that an additional one million vaccine doses will arrive soon. [/QUOTE]

Only two million? Ugh. It's going to take forever until Thailand recovers at this rate.

On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal.

Then you got a great idea not to join Covax because they put all their marbles with the AZ promising they can produce 10 million when they barely could scrap up 6 million all to boost their dream of being the medical hub of SEA trying to monopolize the use of AZ would have put the many of these crooks into the billionaire club as it has for Pfizer and Moderna. When Laos got their million doses of Pfizer through the Covax program before Thailand it burns the hell out of their leaders even their general population show their dissatisfaction towards the PM it was only then the Kg family stepped forward and donated 2. 8 billion baht to help procure more. Of course, plenty of money drop in the bucket guess who is manufacturing the AZ.

It is a mess but if you know Thailand how the country is really run, all things are structure the mess is a no-brainer as to why they can't control the spread. I am not a world traveler like many of you but when it comes to Thailand they really give a new meaning to the government can't run anything. Nearly every position from top to bottom is appointed based on who you know and not on qualification it is a close shop to family members and who you know.

When it comes to vaccines, yes only 2 million but USA Shouldn't be responsible to take care of this mess they are lucky to get 1. 5 million when given it was suggested the USA Diplomatic way that 20% should go to our ex-pat living in Thailand, they have since backstep, sidetrack to that hint. I have no problem waiting so it can be given to those Thai trying their best to help others so if the 1. 5 is all gone I'm not whining what I'm whining about is that it is given to the leaders without any transparency or accountability even Thai Doctors had a demonstration this week and demanded an explanation from the USA Embassy representative as to where is all the vaccine.

The USA Shouldn't be responsible for the vaccination of this country they have already promised another 2 plus million doses, given in cash commitment of 20 million USD, another 40 million in PPE where you guys think all the testing equipment is coming from to produce the number we see every day. Japan has donated 200,000 AZ, the Brits also made donations yet the fucking CCP is still selling water to the Thai leaders, and to make sure they can skim off the top they continue to buy.

Phuket the sandbox is in quicksand but it is the culture of Thai leaders to continue so they don't lose face the outbreak numbers are coming from locals throughout Thailand who is headed to the sandbox to get jobs infected or not now they closed off any travel into Phuket Thais. They are already indicating they are starting to put the brakes on the other places from opening. In spite of the mess, the heat is on their leaders even the Mai Pen Rai Thais are getting angry and impatient I cross my fingers in spite of these idiots that sooner or later we will have enough vaccine choices so people don't step over themselves to get to them. I was joking with the wife today about how you liking the Chinese now she said " why I not want talk bad about your people " I said what I tell you " I'm made in the USA.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2582544]I share your attitude, but spoiler alert, we will fuck it up.

The future of our hobby is grim. Demand will be there, a steady stream of horny punters with all the pent up sperm is inevitable. On the supply side, numbers and quality of providers was already in serious decline before Covid, and will go down even further given how anyone who could find a way out of the profession during the crisis already did. Increase awareness and paranoia about new health risks will seriously diminish the attractiveness of entering the business, thin out the already dwindling girls, make service worse (good luck finding DFD), and give the authorities one more reason to crack down.[/QUOTE]What you need and I imagine most mongers have is a stable of regulars. True allot went home and will probably never come back. I get text everyday. When you come back. ASAP dear when practical. Also remember how many thousands are turning 18 everyday that want to give it a try. Over the year's new ones have always showed up either as freelancers or Go-Go bars Supply will always return. In a few years maybe less we will be back to normal, maybe not the girls you once knew but a whole new group. Variety is the spice of life. Stay positive.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2582715]I'm usually a glass half full optimist but living here and experiencing firsthand the keystone cops fiasco of the past 6 months does not give me confidence that Thailand will be anywhere close to normal even by the first quarter of '22. Procurement of vaccines is mired in red tape and other shenanigans and assuming a level of 70% fully vaccinated requirement to reach herd immunity it will be well into '22 before that happens. That said I feel it's not all doom and gloom because economic circumstances will force the powers that be to reopen the country sooner albeit to nothing like it was precovid. A lot seems to be riding on how well the "sandbox" experiment in Phuket pans out. Question is what will this look like to those arriving for the ladies and what will the availability be of said ladies. P4P is not going away, not here or anywhere else so it's becomes a question of quantity, quality and price. I personally feel there will no issue with quantity, even under present conditions, with bars and clubs etc closed some members are managing to entertain 2, 3 even 4 ladies a day. Price will reflect demand. The very top tier providers will still be expensive but the median price will be lower for the foreseeable future. That leaves quality and here I am not so upbeat. This as most of us who have lived here for some time will know attractiveness less so service has been going in the wrong direction for years. Lots of reasons are put forward to explain this, my own sense is that many of the best lookers as soon as they get their bearings go overseas where the pickings while not easier are more bountiful. Those that stay though are for me still some of the most beautiful and affectionate working ladies on the planet.[/QUOTE]This is a pretty good assessment of the situation here in Thailand. I think if you come here to stay long-term (3 months or more), then it could still be worthwhile to get to Thailand; assuming that all you cared about was straight-to-the-point P4 P inside your room all day (and nothing else). But if you need all that other extra stuff besides the P4 P (nightlife atmosphere, social crowds, etc.), then you are better off staying back in your home country. And in my opinion, anything less than 3 months would not be worth it.

Based on my own perspective of the bureaucracy here in Thailand, I had previously predicted a mid-year '22 timeframe of when things could start to get back to normal. After this 3rd wave of Covid here in Thailand, that prediction might be considered optimistic on my part. But I'll stick with that prediction for now and still say that things will start looking up again for Thailand when the requirement to wear facemasks is no longer there. This will be my gauge of when things are returning to normalcy.

I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.

The ladies have few customers, and a lot have lost boyfriends due to lack of cash. So the ladies are eager to please, and some are dick starved. And very polite "can I suck your dick now? I line them up, and they come to my place, most come early (I don't miss the bars, talking to other Farangs, or any of that social stuff). In exchange, I get ladies fucking my face with their pussies while another lady does cowgirl on my dick. Just about every day.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2586846]On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers.[/QUOTE]This pretty much sums it up: [URL]https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-health-minister-has-a-slash-at-dirty-farang[/URL].

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2586846]On a personal note the way the Thailand leaders got their head up the ass of the CCP they shouldn't get any help from the USA Regardless if they are the oldest partner. The reality is they aren't any longer and no matter how much the USA Helps blood is thicker than water since many Thai leaders openly have stated in the past the Chinese are their brothers. While the Thai leaders were buying the CCP Sinovac months back and still Sinopham they don't have the balls to say it isn't effective if they do there goes their bullet train and future submarine deal..[/QUOTE]In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2587035]I have been to Thailand many times over the years, but there has never been a better time than this.[/QUOTE]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2587405]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.[/QUOTE]I wasn't coming here from about 1995 to 2012 and can't compare Pattaya today to pre-Covid times because I have not gone there to monger in at least a year. But the pickins' are extremely slim for doable P4P girls in Bangkok these days, and I'm certainly not talking about body weight. Good new girls are a rare find. More difficult than it has ever been.

Sure, getting them cheaper is easier. But my god they are pathetic at their job. And it isn't that the girls showing up lately are new to the game. They are not. Just bad at the job even under supposedly significant economic pressure to find a customer and repeat with him.

And the few remaining "lookers" are still the worst. I get multiple Line messages every day from one of the best lookers that gathers nightly outside of Thermae begging for a repeat. She would have to pay me to repeat that dreary experience.

But my favorite repeats from pre-Covid times are still winners for me, thankfully. And I am dating more non P4P girls who come through like champs in the sack.

When I was last in Bangkok around 2018 I thought the Soapy Massages. Poseidon, Emmanuel, etc. Had plenty of excellent options.