Yeah I was hoping to get a driver and negotiate with the street walkers for LT. Figured I might get some more variety there. I have never been, but if it seems fairly dead there now or not friendly to foreigners maybe I will skip.
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Yeah I was hoping to get a driver and negotiate with the street walkers for LT. Figured I might get some more variety there. I have never been, but if it seems fairly dead there now or not friendly to foreigners maybe I will skip.
[QUOTE=Canta Loupe]30 $ LT?
Its only 5 $?
Why, oh, why are you (I mean all you newbies in PP) spoiling the place for the others...?
ST in PP is 5$ to 10$!
LT in PP is 15 $ to 20$.
If the girl doesnt agree send her away, or she will ask the next guy for 40 or 50 $.
Learn: In the provences some girls work a whole month in the rice-fields for 25 $!! And you agree without hesitation to its only 5?
O tempora, o mores![/QUOTE]Why buy Mercedes when you can get Cherry QQ?
Why pay Mercedes price when you can get a taxi?
Same reason man. One man's meat is another's poison.
fix the price first. KNOW WHAT MARKET PRICE IS (or should be) Fuck -or- walk, girl - your choice
Remember this - A higher PRICE doesn't necessarily mean a superior SERVICE EXPERIENCE.
it might work in CARS or FOOD, but NOT WITH PUSSY!!
and with pussy (as with boats and airplanes) -
IT'S CHEAPER TO RENT THAN BUY (I only want a little piece of you baby, not to own your whole BODY)
I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels. And those go for $10, not $5. Maybe a few years ago you could get those prices, but not anymore. I was in PP a few months ago and I took a girl back from Rose for $15. The only reason she came back with me was that she thought that I had said $50. I said too bad, gave her $15 and sent her on her way.
I've found that most of the girls in these chat bars want you to buy them drinks for 1 or 2 nights, and then MAYBE they'll go with you if they're not doing anything else that night. But they will quote you a minimum of $30, and most want $40 or even $50. The mamasan at Martinis even tried to get me to shell out $30 for ST with a Viet hottie. I just laughed and told her $10, no more. She wasn't interested. The slags at Sharkey's are the same - they want $30 minimum. Even the girls at Le Cyrcee are asking for $20 ST and $40 LT (these can usually be negotiated though).
So where, oh where are you finding girls for $5????
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels.
So where, oh where are you finding girls for $5????[/QUOTE]I have to disagree with you!
Go to Walkabout AND Martini and you will definetly find girls willing to go with you for $10 ST. No problem at all!
Of course they will try to get more when you ask for the price but I personally never paid more then $15.
As mentioned before if you don't speak Khmer they might think you are a first time visitor but it's not that hard to learn "dop dollaaaar (=ten dollars)"
$5 is rare but possible during off peak hours.
Was in PP for 12 days since yesterday. And it is definitely a buyers market. Wwith a lot more girls than punters. Didn't You see the Martini disco with a 30 girls dancing inside around 10 0'clock night an five man sitting inside every evening. Not counting the girls sitting in the beergarden.
Wakabout with very low business and half of the men being expats, just coming there for a beer or for their breakfast? More men at Sharky, but still the number of girls is 3 to 1 compared to the customers.
So why pay 2 or three times more money than necessary?
No problem to get a full service 10 $ ST or 20 $ LT. Be generous an give a 2 $ or 5 $ tip if the service was very good. But if you pay a 30 or 40 $ the girl will talk to her friend s about this and so the next will ask for the same price or even more. Don'T Forget: PP is a buyers market and you have to keep the prices low, by your acting in this market!
Many girls are happy to have a customer. So why ruin the market?
And one more: I am a Euro-currency-man, so 5 or 10 $ don't really mean much to me. But it is a question of economical reason.
It is harder to get a $5 ST on st 63 but it is still possible. It is pretty easy to get a $5st at most brothels in the provinces.
$10 ST at the Walkabout or Martinis is the Norm. Last week I even had the mamasan come over and offer me a girl for $10 mind you it was all done in Vietnamese maybe so no one elese could hear. But the freelancers will go for $10 they would prefer $15.
At most of the Hostess bars you will probalbly have to pay $15 for the ST. The girls figure if your dumb enough to pay a $10 barfine then I need more. There are still a few Hostess bars with $5 barfines and other that reduce to $5 as the night progress's.
Please Dont pay anymore than the above. Cambodia is not a good place to go for girls. There are no GO GO bars with naked girls dancing that all go out for extras. Many of the girls in the Hostess bars now dont go out. If you want cheap and easy you should stick to Thailand.
[QUOTE=Mangofan]I have never EVER heard of girls going for ST for $10 outside of the Street 63 brothels. Maybe a few years ago you could get those prices, but not anymore. [/QUOTE]You must be talking about another city! I've never had any problems getting girls for 10ST and 20LT in PP. Hostesses in chat-bars might want a bit more but sharkey's, walkabout's and martini's gals are happy to go for this price. My last trip was in may this year.
Thanks everyone for the input; it's good to know that the prices are still low at some places. There are a few bars (Rose, Zanzibar) where the girls ask for more. I was in Zanzibar this past April and the girls were asking for $50 LT and $30 ST - there was no negotiation (I tried). I finally walked out, disgusted at their refusals, vowing never to return. I guess I'll stick to Walkabout and Martinis next time.
I plan on coming to PP on Wednesday and would love to see my little Viet nympho Janto (or is it Junto?). She used to work at Le Cyrcee but has also been spotted at Walkabout. Anyone have any ideas where I might find her? Here's a pic of her from about a year ago:
She was hanging out both at Heart of Darkness and Sharkey's playing pool back in March...
[QUOTE=Mangofan]Thanks everyone for the input; it's good to know that the prices are still low at some places. There are a few bars (Rose, Zanzibar) where the girls ask for more. I was in Zanzibar this past April and the girls were asking for $50 LT and $30 ST - there was no negotiation (I tried). I finally walked out, disgusted at their refusals, vowing never to return. I guess I'll stick to Walkabout and Martinis next time.
I plan on coming to PP on Wednesday and would love to see my little Viet nympho Janto (or is it Junto?). She used to work at Le Cyrcee but has also been spotted at Walkabout. Anyone have any ideas where I might find her? Here's a pic of her from about a year ago:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vmann]Was in PP for 12 days since yesterday. And it is definitely a buyers market. Wwith a lot more girls than punters. Didn't You see the Martini disco with a 30 girls dancing inside around 10 0'clock night an five man sitting inside every evening. Not counting the girls sitting in the beergarden.
Wakabout with very low business and half of the men being expats, just coming there for a beer or for their breakfast? More men at Sharky, but still the number of girls is 3 to 1 compared to the customers.
So why pay 2 or three times more money than necessary?
No problem to get a full service 10 $ ST or 20 $ LT. Be generous an give a 2 $ or 5 $ tip if the service was very good. But if you pay a 30 or 40 $ the girl will talk to her friend s about this and so the next will ask for the same price or even more. Don'T Forget: PP is a buyers market and you have to keep the prices low, by your acting in this market!
Many girls are happy to have a customer. So why ruin the market?
And one more: I am a Euro-currency-man, so 5 or 10 $ don't really mean much to me. But it is a question of economical reason.[/QUOTE]
VMann,
I am a bit opposed to reduce it simply to economic terms.
Whilst we are not going to marry any of these girls and I figure that we have all heard those oh-so-sad stories of sick mommas and dead buffalos there is and should still be room for a bit of human kindness.
A girl with listless service or trying a rip-off gets 5 $ and is asked to leave, but I have real few disappointing experiences. Most of the girls I've been with were nice in a personal way, so why not pay 30$ if you think she's been worth it ?
One more thing: A lot of the girls actually have to deliver every single $ at home, so if you invite them for breakfast they may appreciate it.
I'm not going to make a rule out of it and I'm not going to tell fellow mongerers what to do, but I dislike to be squeezed to my last fallback position in business and simply assume the same of others.
As the cost of living has risen drastically in Cambodia in the last 12 months we should understand. Sure, you'll find a girl for 10 or 20, but again, idf the girl is OK with the price she's usually hooking me up with an equally nice friend of hers or coming for a 3some ;-)
folks,
been to pnh beginning of july for 10 days and had a great time.
still, things are changing...some to the bad and some for the better.
there was a lot less visible **** prostitution which i appreciate. still, begging is even worse than before.
costs of living in cambodia have risen sharply and some girls demand unreasonable prices, this owing in particular to japanese fellow mongerers with particular wishes.
i agree with most here in this forum that one should sinply look for another girl in such cases.
cyrcee's - as always nice girls & decent service
sharky - pretty much mixed but some nice girls late at night, usually demanding $ 20 to s25 lt
martini - so far the best spot. mama san is reasonable and actually meets her promises ;-). feel free to hit her with your extra wishes.
drug abuse has gotten worse, needed to send out two girls which were nice but couldn't do without their yaba. i won't tolerate substance abuse in my hotel room since that could really get one in trouble.
tuk-tuk drivers have become more greedy demanding $5 for a ride from sisowath quai to martini (unreal, of course). but the $1 fare days are over, $2 is it. i usually pay my tuk-tuk driver $10 per day, that's a fair deal for me as he gets me around all through the city without hassle, speaks good english and knows where the action is.
stayed in ny hotel this time and was pleased, room is basic but big & clean (vip $50/day) and even three girls coming & going were no problem. wireless internet worked ok. safebox & good room service.
made it to angor this time...it was worth the trip for angkor wat, but the rest of siem reap was disappointing, tourist outlet of the cheapest kind.
one more thing: been in anumber of bars i already knew and noticed with surprise that in some bars where the girls before were only to keep companionship but no take-out things have changed. happy man bar is actually a good spot to pick up some nice girls.
I've had great service from beautiful women in PP at low prices. On one of my visits in April, 2005 I had brought a girl from Martini back to my hotel. This is a new one on me. We were going at it on my bed with me on top, when she calmly reached behind her head for the remote to change the channel. Can't remember what Thai or Viet channel was on, but she switched it to MTV. WTF?
Anyway I still go to Martini. Just one of those incidents I laugh about now.
[QUOTE=Kenny Rogers]Tuk-Tuk drivers have become more greedy demanding $5 for a ride from Sisowath Quai to Martini (unreal, of course). But the $1 fare days are over, $2 is it.[/QUOTE]
I was in PP a few weeks ago with a friend and neither of us ever paid more than $1 for an individual ride from river side area to the Walkabout area, the Sharkies area, or the lakeside area. We went to Martini's once and it was much less than $5 but I can't remember how much - I think maybe $3, but $4 back with a foursome. When we went from the river side to Walkabout together we paid $1 plus 2,000 Riel, and when we went back with a foursome we bargained for $2.50 or $3 but once got stuck with $4 due to focusing on the girls. Later we tried not discussing price but just handing the driver the 'correct' (barang) amount and walking away, ignoring his protests. One time a driver tried not to take the money out of my hand to thwart this, arguing with me, but in the end he took it and I walked away.
Sorry Jelly - can't resist... "Maybe MTV was more interesting than you were?" ;) <ducking and running>