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Make a paper copy of it and leave the real one in the safe in your room and carry the paper one on you.

I mongered the hell out of Latina America years ago, but since getting divorced I've enjoyed the non-pro scene in the USA. Now I'm heading to Manila for a week and looking to take things up a notch. I'd like to get an 18-22 year old non-pro or semi-pro and enjoy the hell out of her for a few days. Or, better yet, do the same thing with two 18-22 year old non-pros at the same time. Taking meals, watching movies and fucking as a threesome day-and-night for a few days.

I setup accounts on Date in Asia and OkCupid. Tons of responses on Date in Asia, less so in OkCupid. As has been discussed in the forum, most of the girls seem interested in relationships or marriage. They seem to go out of their way to describe themselves as honest, simple, etc. How do I change the dialogue into having a few great days together and bringing a friend?

It's not that I mind paying for the girls' time. I just don't want the risk of disease that comes with high mileage ladies.

I've had no problems attracting ladies in real life. I'm good company. I just need help getting past the romance and into the "inappropriate proposition" of a two-lady temporary sexual relationship.

Please help me out! Advice, leads, etc. , either here or by PM. I'd even be happy to take referrals. Thanks!

You handled that real well. Informative, not confrontational. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Commonglass;1628471]I setup accounts on Date in Asia and OkCupid. Tons of responses on Date in Asia, less so in OkCupid. As has been discussed in the forum, most of the girls seem interested in relationships or marriage. They seem to go out of their way to describe themselves as honest, simple, etc. How do I change the dialogue into having a few great days together and bringing a friend?

I've had no problems attracting ladies in real life. I'm good company. I just need help getting past the romance and into the "inappropriate proposition" of a two-lady temporary sexual relationship.[/QUOTE]You are in the wrong thread. Most of the answers you seek have been beaten to death in the online dating thread. One prolific expat has suggested using Craigslist, which contains some surprisingly explicit ads. BTW, given that many pros also know about online dating, there's no guarantee that women there are not "high mileage. " And if you were a "high mileage" woman, don't you think you would disguise the fact?

[QUOTE=Commonglass;1628471]I mongered the hell out of Latina America years ago, but since getting divorced I've enjoyed the non-pro scene in the USA. Now I'm heading to Manila for a week and looking to take things up a notch. I'd like to get an 18-22 year old non-pro or semi-pro and enjoy the hell out of her for a few days. Or, better yet, do the same thing with two 18-22 year old non-pros at the same time. Taking meals, watching movies and fucking as a threesome day-and-night for a few days.

I setup accounts on Date in Asia and OkCupid. Tons of responses on Date in Asia, less so in OkCupid. As has been discussed in the forum, most of the girls seem interested in relationships or marriage. They seem to go out of their way to describe themselves as honest, simple, etc. How do I change the dialogue into having a few great days together and bringing a friend?

It's not that I mind paying for the girls' time. I just don't want the risk of disease that comes with high mileage ladies.

I've had no problems attracting ladies in real life. I'm good company. I just need help getting past the romance and into the "inappropriate proposition" of a two-lady temporary sexual relationship.

Please help me out! Advice, leads, etc. , either here or by PM. I'd even be happy to take referrals. Thanks![/QUOTE]It is very easy. State your purpose and hope they bite. I guarantee you none of them are " virgins ". Of course many of them initially come across as looking for permanent relationship, I am not that kind of girl, My parents do not let me stay with a man, can we meet just for lunch, can I bring my friends or family with me etc.

Like you I am exclusively looking for 18-25 range preferably with no kids although girls with kids tend to be easier to bed.

Most times I like them to come to the hotel by themselves. Sometimes if the girl is really pretty I meet them in the mall. Few times girls have come with their friend or cousin. If the girls like you they will come with you. No need to discuss money unless they ask. Some girls have really liked and later brought their friends or cousin for a threesome, if not one hides in the bathroom while I fuck the other one. At night I sleep in the middle and fuck each one while the other one pretends to to be asleep.

Success rate in getting " Normal " girls to bed depends. Some like you and some do not. Those who like you become sex slaves ready to do anything to make you happy.

Of course there are " Pros" mixed in. These you can make out the moment they are in your room.

Do not be afraid of saying what you want. Generally I tell them I come to Phi Often (Although I tend to use new girls). I tell them I am looking for the girl to stay with me. I do not like wham, bam Ty ma'm type of deal with these girls if they are nice. Sex gets better once they are comfortable with you.

The ones who do not get better or tend to act crazy I tell them all sorts of excuses to get rid of them.

Irrespective of which girl I always give them money. Even if they refuse I put money in their purse saying it is for taxi money, to buy some clothes she wants etc. If we go to the mall I buy her some stuff.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1628682]It is very easy. State your purpose and hope they bite. I guarantee you none of them are " virgins ". Of course many of them initially come across as looking for permanent relationship, I am not that kind of girl, My parents do not let me stay with a man, can we meet just for lunch, can I bring my friends or family with me etc. SNIP
Do not be afraid of saying what you want.
The ones who do not get better or tend to act crazy I tell them all sorts of excuses to get rid of them.
Irrespective of which girl I always give them money. Even if they refuse I put money in their purse saying it is for taxi money, to buy some clothes she wants etc. If we go to the mall I buy her some stuff.[/QUOTE]Good advice from Sammon, but let me add: state what you want, but don't be vulgar about it. Above all, be honest about your intentions, no need to lure a girl into the sack by promising to marry her.

If a girl says no then thank her for her time and simply move onto the next one; if you meet her in person and she turns you down then be a gentleman and discreetly slip her some pesos to cover her transport home. A little good will goes a long way, I've had some like that who've changed their minds or have intro'd me to a GF, cousin, etc.

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Is there a better site for short term monthly rentals than airbnb, I find them quite expensive.[/QUOTE]Craigslist. Don't commit to any place by sending a deposit or providing credit card details until you see it.

[QUOTE=MeteorMan;1627615]How much are Gyms generally in Manila? [/QUOTE]Google it.

[QUOTE=MeteorMan;1627615]What does RTFF mean?[/QUOTE]Bloody hell.

[QUOTE=MeteorMan;1627615]Final question: Would banging Pros be a negative when it comes to dating regular girls in the Phils. I mean is Manila small enough where everybody is connected in everybody business?[/QUOTE]Yes, it's merely 13,000,000 Nosy Parkers.

Great balanced report Sir Sammon just want to add some pitfalls by having repeat girls. I agree with you that on the greater part things gets better in the sack after numerous meetings but and there is a big BUT. They start eventually to have feelings and that can be nasty shit. I guess that's were your "gets crazy" comments start to play am I right?

These shit can be hard to handle and I have fought off quite a few. Then you must be able to think fast and lie your ass off bcs these girls can be unpredictable. This delicate situations I guess there is no correct or wrong answers but even if I still have some repeat girls in listings (just recently added a new one), I will walk cautiously with the rest of them and make it even more clear that this is only for fun and no relationship are to be had whatsoever. I may have been not direct and upfront in earlier cases. And for that I am sorry. As in it is not my intention to break a young girls heart. I will underline here that I mostly don't deal with the most hardned kind of girls bcs with them issues like this never will happen. Just as a reminder we must treat our small dolls with care and proffesioniality.

Thanks Sammon and Skogis! That's great advice. It sounds like operating in Manila is even easier than operating in Latin America--and way easier than in the USA.

I've been reading the online dating forum, which has some great material, but I'm still sketchy on the specifics of what to do.

How does a typical interaction go? Do I invite the girl back to my hotel for drinks after chatting for only a few minutes online? Do I change my DIA profile to say that I'm a frequent business traveler and only looking for company? How do I say "what I want" without being vulgar? Is it appropriate to invite someone I've just met at the mall to come back to the hotel for drinks? What is the appropriate amount to give a girl for "cab" money afterwards?

I know that these a pretty basic questions, and, yes, I've RTFF. The devil is in the details though. If you can save me some failure or wasted hours with some good insights, I'd appreciate it. (I've done the same for others in Latin America.) I'm only going to be in town for five days for this trip and want to make the most of it.

Attached are some pictures of women that I sessioned in Latin America. This is generally the caliber of what I'm looking for.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1628682]It is very easy. State your purpose and hope they bite. I guarantee you none of them are " virgins ". Of course many of them initially come across as looking for permanent relationship, I am not that kind of girl, My parents do not let me stay with a man, can we meet just for lunch, can I bring my friends or family with me etc.

Like you I am exclusively looking for 18-25 range preferably with no kids although girls with kids tend to be easier to bed.

Most times I like them to come to the hotel by themselves. Sometimes if the girl is really pretty I meet them in the mall. Few times girls have come with their friend or cousin. If the girls like you they will come with you. No need to discuss money unless they ask. Some girls have really liked and later brought their friends or cousin for a threesome, if not one hides in the bathroom while I fuck the other one. At night I sleep in the middle and fuck each one while the other one pretends to to be asleep.

Success rate in getting " Normal " girls to bed depends. Some like you and some do not. Those who like you become sex slaves ready to do anything to make you happy.

Of course there are " Pros" mixed in. These you can make out the moment they are in your room.

Do not be afraid of saying what you want. Generally I tell them I come to Phi Often (Although I tend to use new girls). I tell them I am looking for the girl to stay with me. I do not like wham, bam Ty ma'm type of deal with these girls if they are nice. Sex gets better once they are comfortable with you.

The ones who do not get better or tend to act crazy I tell them all sorts of excuses to get rid of them.

Irrespective of which girl I always give them money. Even if they refuse I put money in their purse saying it is for taxi money, to buy some clothes she wants etc. If we go to the mall I buy her some stuff.

Good hunting![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Commonglass;1629125] Do I invite the girl back to my hotel for drinks after chatting for only a few minutes online? Is it appropriate to invite someone I've just met at the mall to come back to the hotel for drinks? What is the appropriate amount to give a girl for "cab" money afterwards?[/QUOTE]Common, it's easy, you can meet her at mall or at hotel. If she meets you at hotel it is understood she will bang you. Yes, cab money is appropriate 500 P - 2 k depending on how long she stays and how good she was to you. If you find any Filipinas like Sandy let me know! Good luck.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1629105]Great balanced report Sir Sammon just want to add some pitfalls by having repeat girls. I agree with you that on the greater part things gets better in the sack after numerous meetings but and there is a big BUT. They start eventually to have feelings and that can be nasty shit. I guess that's were your "gets crazy" comments start to play am I right?

These shit can be hard to handle and I have fought off quite a few. Then you must be able to think fast and lie your ass off bcs these girls can be unpredictable. This delicate situations I guess there is no correct or wrong answers but even if I still have some repeat girls in listings (just recently added a new one), I will walk cautiously with the rest of them and make it even more clear that this is only for fun and no relationship are to be had whatsoever. I may have been not direct and upfront in earlier cases. And for that I am sorry. As in it is not my intention to break a young girls heart. I will underline here that I mostly don't deal with the most hardned kind of girls bcs with them issues like this never will happen. Just as a reminder we must treat our small dolls with care and proffesioniality.[/QUOTE]I really enjoy having regular girls because the rapport and chemistry is outstanding. Yet there are a few pitfalls when a few of them become very regular regular girls who visit several nights a week. Firstly, they leave personal items. Clothing, flip flops, shampoo and makeup, a toothbrush, hair drier, etc. Keeping track of what belongs to whom and where they left it is a bit of a hassle. Someone here recommended bagging each girl's stuff when she leaves and then unpacking it before she arrives, and that was good advice that I use; I'll add that I use my mobile's camera to photo where she left the items and then replace them just so. Photo each item. Study it. Why? I once put a pink toothbrush on the basin and a few hours later the girl was demanding to know what happened to her toothbrush. She only uses a pink Colgate toothbrushes and the pink one I put on the sink was a different brand.

Previously I've written about sanitising my place to remove all residue of a girl's visit. I learnt to not overdo it when regulars are in my life. Yes, check the bed and floor for stray hairs. Clean the bathroom, but don't throw away her hairs. Wash all the dishes and put them back in the cabinets; keep in mind the inventory of food and drinks you have and keep things stocked, especially items she likes. Don't throw away the contents of the bathroom's rubbish bin. Pull the partially filled bag from the bin and hide it, replace with an empty bag for the next girl's visit, and before the regular girl returns swap bags, putting her rubbish bag back in the bin. The regular girl will see that the items she threw away earlier are still there. Spread her hairs back on the bathroom floor. Check photos to ensure everything is back where she left it.

Calling it quits. Eventually a girl who doesn't have a husband or partner will tell you she loves you. Yes, it started as a NSA fubu set up, but she's changed. My standard reply is that it takes a long time for me to determine whether or not I love someone and now I don't love her. When the girl asks you to lie to her and tell her you love her then it's gone too far. Pack her stuff before she arrives, break the news, let her cry, hand her her stuff, don't do the goodbye fuck, and don't see her again. Yes, the girl will ask to remain friends and maintain contact. It's best to refuse; it's unkind to the girl to resume seeing her.

Some girls enter, exit, and re-enter my life often. They visit me when they don't have a boyfriend, then they find a guy for a while and stop seeing me, something goes wrong with the new guy or his aeroplane has finished refueling and it's time to go, and the girl is texting me once again to visit. I never hold this "betrayal" against them. I like how these girls compartmentalise, and she's assigned me the proper place in her life.

We have been through this many times of evidence removals and shit like this. But you stepped up and brought this to a hole new level. A level, even if I do some evidence removals myself while shifting pray, I can not do or don't need as I dont live here as I presume you are?

I have had a few repeats I want to see later in my stays and on occation they have left some items (on purpose or whatever I don't know but easy to cope with). The bathbin removal I have done several times before new fuckobjects arrives. One girl was smart enough though to look into a pretty hidden lockout behind my apts washer and dryer and there she found garbage, winebottles, waste from bathroom etc etc(my hiding spot ofcourse). That made my creativity rise. My answer, pretending I was as surprised as her, was I would complaint to the housekeeping as this must have been leftovers from prior residents, hehe. If ahe bought it or not i dont know but we sessioned shortly after.

So I think as a long timer here or as me, a frequent visitor, more or less same rules apply but I don't have to be so scientific about it. But in a larger perspective this is something more people should be aware of.

My removal of evidence as described earlier also incl housekeeping to do the beds, allways have a good stock of fresh towels, the hairs on the bathroomfloors (I fucked up many times but same excuse as with the earlier described one applies), between sessions. One of my worst one was blood stains in the bed sheets. The last girl I fucked obviously was at her beginning of menstruation or she recently finished but for the latter it is not unheard of that fucking right after can trig new blood floods. I did have so short time between sessions and the bedroom was in dimmed lightning so I did not check so when next girl arrived and entered bedroom perimeter ofcourse this was the first she noticed. That was a tough one. I managed trough some fictional nosebleed story to calm her down.

But anyway, thanks Huts, you brought this to a hole new level and while I laughed and cryed while reading I also took it very seriously. Others with repeatgirls should print out Huts and read it every now and then. Will prevent you from a lot of hazzle.

And i realy enjoy repeat girls but i see as a common rule now that after 5/6 meetings more and more of the repeat ones becomes more and more sensitive. More and more question about my fake life they want to know, they want to view my pics in ipad, iphones, computers whatever and ask more and more about other girls(the latter developes from 2/3 time). So even if i dont want to write it in stone i will for the future lower my repeats and not have them over more than earlier described. If a repeatgirl stays away from beeing to personal then exceptions can be made.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1629184] One of my worst one was blood stains in the bed sheets. The last girl I fucked obviously was at her beginning of menstruation or she recently finished but for the latter it is not unheard of that fucking right after can trig new blood floods. I did have so short time between sessions and the bedroom was in dimmed lightning so I did not check so when next girl arrived and entered bedroom perimeter ofcourse this was the first she noticed. That was a tough one. I managed trough some fictional nosebleed story to calm her down.[/QUOTE]Stained sheets and towels can be a hassle if you're unprepared. Long ago I found an outstanding pre-wash stain stick called Turbo Clean at the hardware store. After each and every visit I examine my bed (make this part of your post-coitus routine when she's showering), rub some Turbo Clean on the spots, and then scrub clean with a cold, damp towel. It really does the job; it even removed set-in blood from a shirt that had been laundered several times previously. This being the Philippines, what was once available often is never restocked. When you find something that works, such as Turbo Clean, buy several. Another great cleaner is the spray Oxy Clean, but I haven't seen it sold in Manila. (And no, I'm not a shill for Turbo Clean.)

It's through such mishaps of our own and others making that one learns - I think I learned from you to always check windows and mirrors for hand prints and boob impressions. Where once we stammered out ridiculously far-fetched explanations now utterly believable ones slide off our tongues.

Photos are my Achilles' heal - try explaining to a girl who has 16,347 photos why I have zero. Other than taking pictures of rubbish, hair on the floor, and hanged clothing I never photograph anything. I can't be bothered. Yet girls want to see pictures of my life. I'm seriously considering paying a freelancer to photoshop a life for me.

Thank you to the previous few posters who gave some great information but also gave me a good laugh (much needed today. Some very useful information for me to keep in mind for the future.

I must say Hutsori, you're attention to details is impressive. I have to wonder what you do for a living LOL I reminds me of something from CSI. I guess that is what Grissom was doing on his mongering vacations in the Phils.

AF

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1629371]Stained sheets and towels can be a hassle if you're unprepared. Long ago I found an outstanding pre-wash stain stick called Turbo Clean at the hardware store. After each and every visit I examine my bed (make this part of your post-coitus routine when she's showering), rub some Turbo Clean on the spots, and then scrub clean with a cold, damp towel. It really does the job; it even removed set-in blood from a shirt that had been laundered several times previously. This being the Philippines, what was once available often is never restocked. When you find something that works, such as Turbo Clean, buy several. Another great cleaner is the spray Oxy Clean, but I haven't seen it sold in Manila. (And no, I'm not a shill for Turbo Clean.)

It's through such mishaps of our own and others making that one learns - I think I learned from you to always check windows and mirrors for hand prints and boob impressions. Where once we stammered out ridiculously far-fetched explanations now utterly believable ones slide off our tongues.

Photos are my Achilles' heal - try explaining to a girl who has 16,347 photos why I have zero. Other than taking pictures of rubbish, hair on the floor, and hanged clothing I never photograph anything. I can't be bothered. Yet girls want to see pictures of my life. I'm seriously considering paying a freelancer to photoshop a life for me.[/QUOTE]

[quote=hutsori;1629371]stained sheets and towels can be a hassle if you're unprepared. long ago i found an outstanding pre-wash stain stick called turbo clean at the hardware store. after each and every visit i examine my bed (make this part of your post-coitus routine when she's showering), rub some turbo clean on the spots, and then scrub clean with a cold, damp towel. it really does the job; it even removed set-in blood from a shirt that had been laundered several times previously. this being the philippines, what was once available often is never restocked. when you find something that works, such as turbo clean, buy several. another great cleaner is the spray oxy clean, but i haven't seen it sold in manila. (and no, i'm not a shill for turbo clean.)

it's through such mishaps of our own and others making that one learns - i think i learned from you to always check windows and mirrors for hand prints and boob impressions. where once we stammered out ridiculously far-fetched explanations now utterly believable ones slide off our tongues.

photos are my achilles' heal - try explaining to a girl who has 16,347 photos why i have zero. other than taking pictures of rubbish, hair on the floor, and hanged clothing i never photograph anything. i can't be bothered. yet girls want to see pictures of my life. i'm seriously considering paying a freelancer to photoshop a life for me.[/quote]i have found that hydrogen peroxide takes out blood stains instantly. works great and is inexpensive. you can buy a small bottle and if anyone asks. you keep it to clean any scrapes and cuts you get. as for the long black hair. i really screwed up one time. had a gf over and did a great job of cleaning the place. when wife arrived on the plane and came she noted immediately a "long black hair" on the floor. this had to be the only one left in the place. she found it immediately.

yep, funny about filipinas. they either will have their period and not say a thing or get it immediately after fucking them. i have had this happen at least a few times over the years.

gg