General Reports

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2587405]Have you been in Thailand prior to 2010?

In 2020, after tourists stopped coming, girls became increasingly easy to get. Sadly, the numbers and quality of girls on offer to Farang, across all venues (including online like ThaiFriendly) is pathetic compared to 10 years ago. A monger who is happy to choose between scattered remnants of what was there in 2019, which was already a shadow of the previous times, you'll be happy. Those who actually remember the golden times, surely won't.

A freelancer who was unenthusiastically quoting me 1500 baht in Jan 2020 was begging me to go for 500 in October. What good is that when she has tats, monster eyebrows and an unattractive vibe, so I wouldn't go with her anyway, and she was the best looking one still available?

I do agree, however, than June-Nov 2020 was pretty the best time for Bangkok freelancers since 2014 or so. After the Mahachai wave in December, not so much.[/QUOTE]I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.

Of course, now with no customers, the ladies are eager to please. It is possible that one big difference is the lack of availability of local men, apart from customers. The number of random Thai men hanging around is small, and many ladies don't have cash to support a man. So, I suspect some ladies that visit me actually horny. Some complain about not having sex for a long, long time time.

If women thought like men, they could just go down to a homeless shelter or food donation area and give a guy a couple of hundred baht for a quickie, but it doesn’t work like that.

[QUOTE=IHeartIpa;2587401]In the top tier of Thai society typically either you are connected to the royal family somehow or you're of Chinese decent or mixed Thai / Chinese. I'd guess more than half of the top 0. 1% of wealthy in the country are at least part ethnic Chinese. Until very recently a large % of upper middle class Thais also fell into this category.

That's why in nearly 10 years I saw maybe 2 Thai Chinese working girls. Extremely rare because you won't find a poor Thai - Chinese person.[/QUOTE]Oh, I found one, sort of. Her father is from China, but is Zuang, not Han Chinese.

The rich Chinese Thais typically had ancestors who came from Guangdong in the late 19th century, so they typically don't speak Cantonese anymore. They are Chinese genetically, but much of the culture has been lost.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2587503]I started coming to Thailand in 2004. The quality of the ladies hasn't changed much, except there is more silicon, tattoos and cell phones.[/QUOTE]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2588233]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.

Back in the 2000's there was a ton of semi-amateurs who might have dabbled on the scene but had a day job, or reluctant new bargirls who saw it as a stepping stone on a way to something else, perhaps a marriage to a Farang. Post 2015 or so (no sharp cutoff), it's mostly long-time hardened hookers who are unwilling and unable to do any other job.

Standing advice to newbies back in the day used to be "don't marry a bargirl", these days nobody would even think about doing it. In 2019, even getting a long-time was not too appealing.[/QUOTE]Plenty of hardened bargirls in Pattaya pre-2010. Walking Street was filled with them.

Conversely, I run into fresh off the bus new ladies all the time, until Covid closed the bars.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2588233]Sir, if you can't see the changes between 2004 and 2019 (except for cellphones and tattoos), you and I must have been visiting two completely different Thailands.[/QUOTE]In 2018 there were many hotties at Lords soapy massage. If I recall, prices were 6000 to 11,000 THB for 90 minutes, much more expensive than what is usually discussed in this forum.

Were the pre-2004 top flight girls even hotter than the 2018 11,000 THB soapy girls?

The biggest change for me was in 2017, when I started getting social media addresses from ladies. Before 2017, it was fuck them and forget them, because on my subsequent trip, my previous barfines were mostly long gone from their bars.

Now, I can repeat with the same ladies over the years. That's one of the reasons why some of my sessions are so good, the ladies are more comfortable with a repeat customer.

"Customer before" is very powerful for a bargirl. They will escape from their boyfriend and go fuck a customer because they can rationalize it as "customer before".

I will never understand why anyone would sponsor a lady living in a bar district like Pattaya.

If the lady wants to retire from the biz, she will go home. If she still lives in a bar area, it is to service customers. It's that simple.

I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2588372]I have fucked ladies who were texting their sponsor. Most ladies have zero loyalty to someone who sends them money.[/QUOTE]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.

There are many types of sponsors in Thailand but not all are gullible fools.

There is certainly a group that is the typically naive farang that is really clueless towards the situation and just blindly sends cash. He does understand the situation nor Thai culture. He certainly does not know that if they are not in Thailand 24/7 than their "girl" is most likely seeing someone else or still working. This type of guy is getting royally fucked and sadly a lot of it is his own fault.

There is also a second group of sponsors that knows exactly what they are getting into. They probably have a wife / girlfriend back home, may have others girls they sponsor in different countries. In a world that is becoming increasingly wealthier there are tons of these guys. The benefits of to this kind of arrangement in that rather than being in nana or Pattaya every night they have someone that is ready to go when they hit town. Hanging out at Nana, Patpong or Pattaya every night does get boring IMHO.

So, not all sponsors are as dumb as we all assume.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588404]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.[/QUOTE]You are right about that, a lady today told me some guy gave her 15,000 baht a month with no strings attached. For years.

I had 4 ladies over today. The highlight was taking a shower with one silicon enhanced dark brown lady. Otherwise, it was hours of dealing with horny drunken naked ladies. I'm tired.

Seriously, I don't believe they are all horny, but they are desperate to keep me as a customer, so it's all good.

One of the ladies posted on Facebook a photo from my place, and got 100 likes, mostly from Lonely Guys.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588404]That is only if your definition of loyalty is not fucking another person. And you assume that the sponsor is in the relationship not expecting the lady to fuck someone else or that this so-called loyalty was a qualification of the relationship. There are countless types of relationships.[/QUOTE]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588632]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.[/QUOTE]Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.

It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2588658]Here again, you are making the assumption that only sex workers have sponsors. I have been with many chicks that were not sex workers, but when they not only got a boyfriend, but he was also sending money, we could not fuck anymore. My next door neighbor was not a sex worker. Her boyfriend was paying for a house back where she lived, the apartment she lived in next to me, her car, and her motorbike. We started fucking when he left to go back to Singapore to work. And guess what. When I stopped fucking her, a friend of mine who was also our neighbor on the same floor, started fucking her.

It is not always about money and it is not always about sex workers. Shit I know chicks that work on Soi 6 that absolutely will not go with anyone because they have a boyfriend that sponsors them. People are people. Whether they fuck you for fun or scam you out of money, it is independent of the job they have. People are going to do what people are going to do.[/QUOTE]This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588662]This board is about sex workers. Whatever sugar baby or Boyfriend / girlfriend status people are cheating on each other or who knows what is what it is, across the world, but that's not the discussion here.[/QUOTE]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women. The forum is about more than P4P situations.

[QUOTE=GrapeMan;2588632]Lets just be super clear, these girls only want your money, there is nothing else, its all a game / scam. Be it a sponsor, in a club, an MP, a gogo, escort, whatever. They're sex workers, and their goal is just to take your money, there is no loyalty or anything of that crap unless its to suck more money out of you than they can get from every other source.[/QUOTE]It's not true, sometimes emotions can get over and they are not able to deal with it.

It also happens the other way, for the guys that fall in love with a sex worker, he cannot deal with it, and some of them become sponsors.

These girls are human, they can fall in love too, but that doesn't mean they won't go fuck around when the guy is not there.