Jakarta

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2215580]Indonesia (jakarta?) monger pros and cons as I see them.

Pros:

ST is extremely affordable ranges from $24-34 at the current exchange rate. You could possibly visit 5 shops a day and not really break the bank.
Also the more remote the massage places are ive also found that the women are hotter for whatever reason. not all of them offer the same stuff some of the shops have older women 35-50 some are 25-35 and some offer 20-30 the ones where the girls are 20-30 seem to be in more discreet locations. So paying MORE for hotter girls is not always the best move imo sometimes its just location and supply and demand. The hottest girl ive ever been with in indonesia was in this hole in the wall massage place and she was the normal 350,000 i would have paid five times that for that girl. Some of the shops have a line up and some of the shops you need to pick the girls from photoshopped photos. Ive also found that the ones without the line up is where i found hotter girls this may just be a coincidence or the time of day i went.

You have a wide variety of options for venues, personally I do not go the places where ST is 1 mil+ I personally just don't see the point as an american if I want to throw away money I can do it in luxury in las vegas and get more for it imo.

You get propositioned almost everywhere the key is networking these propositions they are after money so building a intel commission based relationship broadens your selection quite a bit. I offer an introduction bounty for any over 20 home body women that need extra cash. 9/10 times this works out best for me.
[/QUOTE]Agree with some of what you've said-- especially if the 1 jt+ is worth it. For example, at Malio, I've had really good experiences with girls who are as cute and fit in the 400 k range as the 700+ range, if not better.

Can you share some of the areas where you've had success for more remote massage places? Do you mean like around Kota Kasablanka etc?

And as for building a network-- you're saying you have girls you meet at the massage places refer you to friends of theirs?

For me, thus far outside of the ST places like Classic or Malio, I've only met up with civvies who do actually give more of a GFE vibe, but then I am Asian so maybe that changes things.

[QUOTE=Dirk67;2219160]...
Can you share some of the areas where you've had success for more remote massage places? Do you mean like around Kota Kasablanka etc?

And as for building a network-- you're saying you have girls you meet at the massage places refer you to friends of theirs?
...[/QUOTE]When I say remote I mean just a few blocks down from the normal haunts. There is a patch of places near the grand asia hotel which I have always had a good time at the only thing is you kinda need to make it a point to get there as there is really no other reason to go to that area there is also a patch near kings cross but I've heard from more than 1 indonesian who lives in Jakarta that for some reason east Jakarta is more rough than the rest of the city I don't know if there is any validility to this statement. Honestly almost every single cultasack in Jakarta has massage places or bording houses in it, it is just a matter of physcialy going there and looking at their girls.

When I say build a network I mean the mama san network. I give them a 50 k note and tell them more is on the way if they pass me some solid intel. And also give my wechat or what's app out to the boarding houses and if they have any lookers to send me a picture it kind of cuts down on the time I spend in some areas if I always have an agent working for me in that area. I also ask them if the shops are open or closed or if they are busy or not. Sometimes these massage places are randomly closed for a few days and I have no idea why. I do also ask for non pros from the girls I find on wechat its kind of hit and miss most of the time the wechat girl is the good looking one. Sometimes the girls will fire back with "you don't like me?" which can be kind of a non starter.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2219047]To Ace.

Don't be naive you don't think there is corrupt cop in AC just paid attention and still out of trouble.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]I've been to AC and since I was not in a taxi much saw no problems with the cops and don't read much about the bribing of bad cops. Maybe it happens but it seems to me that a lot of the times there it is somewhat deserved.

I live in Mexico so am very aware of corrupt police but from reading this forum it sounds to me much worse or am I only getting part of the story.

In most cases in Mexico if you have done nothing wrong and call their bluff you pay nothing because they don't want to take the time to take you back to the station or even to write a ticket as that is time they could be targeting another sucker who will pay.

I was just curious if this happens all the time or just once in a while and is it almost certain to happen to a gringo tourist?

Earlier this month I was in Jakarta for 2 days. Stayed at Mercure Kota.

Paid the obligatory visit to Classic and managed to get a really good bang for the buck. At 350 K you cannot go wrong. The girl was very co-operative and did everything I wanted in a non-rushed manner. Very happy, tipped her 50 K.

Paid a visit to the spas at Kelapa Gading. King Cross and Sumo. Standard fare. Had a good time at both places. Personally I like Sumo more.

Visited BATS on both nights. On one night I picked a girl who stayed till next afternoon. Paid her 2. 5 juta. The opening quote in the bar was 3. 5 juta and I almost fell off my chair. But the girl would not budge below 2. 5 juta and I wanted her that night. The second night I drew a blank at BATS as I got there rather late after my Kelapa Gading visits. Also, I had an early flight the next day back to Singapore.

Should be back soon.

I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2219048]To Tungsten 2.

I have a US passport and travel a lot you can get page added, I do this a lot at my US embassy it only take a few HR and is free not sure what passport you hold.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]

Mexico and most Latin and south american countries have corruption to an art. You will not have a problem in Jakarta since you will be experienced. I stil remember first time in Mexico and having an armed body guard. Nowadays, armoured cars are in such demand it is factory option. It is pretty funny how things progress.

Also, parts of Mexico are real sxxx hole places so bad sides of Jakarta will not shock you.

[QUOTE=AcesWild1917;2218910]I am planning a 4-5 day visit in mid November to break up my 30 day Thai vacation but from reading all this about the currupt cops I'm having second thoughts and may go back to AC instead.

Is this a real big problem or does it happen to everyone?

I live in Mexico so am used to corrupt Police but you can usually get out of it by refusing to pay as they don't like to take the time & trouble to take you in.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wimble;2219714]Mexico and most Latin and south american countries have corruption to an art. You will not have a problem in Jakarta since you will be experienced. I stil remember first time in Mexico and having an armed body guard. Nowadays, armoured cars are in such demand it is factory option. It is pretty funny how things progress.

Also, parts of Mexico are real sxxx hole places so bad sides of Jakarta will not shock you.[/QUOTE]Being experienced won't help a whole lot. If they pull you over, you are likely going to pay something.

I get shaken down about once a year in Jakarta, so it's not extremely frequent. That still leaves the majority of days not getting shaken down during the year.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2219643]
Visited BATS on both nights. On one night I picked a girl who stayed till next afternoon. Paid her 2. 5 juta. The opening quote in the bar was 3. 5 juta and I almost fell off my chair. But the girl would not budge below 2.5 juta and I wanted her that night.[/QUOTE]Holy Jesus. Those girls are not getting that much at BATS these days. Most of them will take 1 million. 1.5 should be the max.

I'd be curious which BATS girl this was. Do you have her name or photo?

Of course it's your money and sometimes when you have your heart set on some chick (and had a few beers), it may seem the prudent course, but giving these girls 2.5 is going to spoil the market. I'd hate for that to become the going rate. A few years ago, girls were asking for that much, but the price has dropped in recent years. An exception may possibly be if you are black or Indian, the girls may raise the price on you at BATS and you have to pay a premium simply because of that (if you fall into one of those two categories, you should likely be going to CJs, not BATS). But if you are a white westerner or asian, 2.5 is too much currently at BATS.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2219704]I think rules have changed. I have not hit that point there recently. Several years ago, additional pages were no longer free so I just go a new one for the sake of convenience.[/QUOTE]You are correct. I used to do it all the time, but it's not so easy to get extra pages anymore.

Went to Classic Terminal 2 on 11th and 15th August. Agreed to entry price IDR40,000 and told not charged if take a girl. Confirm prices still IDR365,000 for one girl, one hour and IDR500,000 for two girls, one hour (same as when I visited in October 2017). Arrived about 7. 30 pm both visits, lots of girls, crowded with guys on 11th (Saturday), not many on 15th (Wednesday). Got greedy first visit and took two girls, despite ISG advice not to do so. Paid fee to mamasan then girls took me to a nice room. They told me they were both from Bandung and aged 20 and 21. Stunning slim bodies, flawless brown skin, pretty faces, natural but not much Bush (almost white tigers). No kids, no stretch marks and no breasts (but great nipples). If you want breasts, probably have to go for older with a kid or three Anyway session was uninspiring. Showered with one, pleasant soaping etc, on to bed while the other showered. Used sterile wipes to disinfect my gear then on with a dom for unenthusiastic CBJ. Girls would not play with each other and wanted to get me to f**k, cum and finish ASAP. No kissing, DATY or pussy touching permitted. Managed a couple of positions with one girl only and held on for about 40 minutes before cumming doggy with the other rubbing my balls. Gave them IDR50,000 tip each, seemed happy enough. Second visit much better. Asked mamasan for older girl and she brought 4 girls for me to choose from. All looked great, picked one but would have been happy with any of them. Paid fee to mamasan in advance. This girl also from Bandung (are they all told to give this as their home city?) and said she was 23 (older I suppose than 20 and 21). I allowed her to order a bottle of water. Similar description to previous girls but much better English and very obliging. Went through disinfection routine again (good, safe practice, well trained) but she loved DATY and gave great CBJ. I couldn't hold back for long so f**ked her cowgirl, missionary then doggy to cum. Only about 25 minutes into the hour but already happy with my IDR365 k spend. We lay down for a rest, cuddled and she then stroked me and got me aroused again. I said I would like to try to cum again and she took on the challenge. We worked away but I eventually accepted it wasn't going to happen within time available (but felt great trying). She got the phone call to end the session, said we had a few more minutes, kept going until the full hour was up. What a great girl, a real gem. Gave her IDR100,000 tip, she seemed happy. No hassles or rip-off attempt when I left T2, no entry charged and just IDR26,000 for water second visit. Great value for money, don't bother with 2 girls and as always it's pot luck on the girl quality.

Stayed both nights at Hotel Classic, basic but very clean, good aircon, wifi and shower, excellent value, highly recommended. Left Jakarta the day before Independence Day (17th) and start of Asian Games (18th games commencing 18-8-18).

IMHO, it is more dangerous in Mexico. I am always amazed that people still drive across the border in their cars when reading the border town forums. Most are astute enough to park and walk across. I would much prefer a situation where some greenback would save me from disappearing off the face of the earth.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219864]Being experienced won't help a whole lot. If they pull you over, you are likely going to pay something.

I get shaken down about once a year in Jakarta, so it's not extremely frequent. That still leaves the majority of days not getting shaken down during the year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219873]Holy Jesus. Those girls are not getting that much at BATS these days. Most of them will take 1 million. 1.5 should be the max.

I'd be curious which BATS girl this was. Do you have her name or photo?

Of course it's your money and sometimes when you have your heart set on some chick (and had a few beers), it may seem the prudent course, but giving these girls 2.5 is going to spoil the market. I'd hate for that to become the going rate. A few years ago, girls were asking for that much, but the price has dropped in recent years. An exception may possibly be if you are black or Indian, the girls may raise the price on you at BATS and you have to pay a premium simply because of that (if you fall into one of those two categories, you should likely be going to CJs, not BATS). But if you are a white westerner or asian, 2.5 is too much currently at BATS.[/QUOTE]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. But I do remember a few white guys hitting on her and then walking away after a few minutes of chit chat. I gather they might have low balled her at the prices you say are standard. I don't give a rats ass about spoiling the market or preserving it. When I want a good time, I get it. That is all that counts for me.

Bring on the flame.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2220100]I don't take pictures and I cannot remember her name. But I do remember a few white guys hitting on her and then walking away after a few minutes of chit chat. I gather they might have low balled her at the prices you say are standard. I don't give a rats ass about spoiling the market or preserving it. When I want a good time, I get it. That is all that counts for me.

Bring on the flame.[/QUOTE]I like and agree with your post. Even if you paid 10 times the "market price" you would not make a difference in the market. You made your money, you spend it how you like.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2219877]You are correct. I used to do it all the time, but it's not so easy to get extra pages anymore.[/QUOTE]Not any more.

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Hi all,

3rd trip to Jakarta this year and have found WeChat a great source for hunting. Due to meetings and sometimes difficulty in getting away for periods of time I've found finding ladies on wechat (using the 'discover near by' function) to be most useful. Have actually managed to get two ladies as freebie (both married but husbands away for long periods of time) and they are home alone in the day so can get away. Average hit rate is 1 in 20 who reply and of those it's easy to filter out those that are available and those that are not. Usually rate if paying has been 500 k for a few hours in hotel.

Also have a regular girl that goes by 'Hijabi working girl' who is great fun. A short 20'something with a regular job that does this on the side for some extra cash.

Stay safe.