East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Socker;2308054]Greetings gents,

I'm doing my homework for my first trip to Shanghai and a bit confused in general and need a hotel recommendation that's in the neighborhood of either day spas or night venues w FLs. I goggle earthed Judys and got 3 Judys not far from each other. I assume Judy's Lounge is what the guys here are talking about. I also used a conversion site to see what the pussy cost in dollars and from what the site says, the Chinese Yuan is 6. 7 to the dollar which means 1500 yuan = $223 for ST! If that's the going rate I will pass on that killer see pussy. I probably have that equation wrong so any help is appreciated. Also, I will need ST hotels to operate because my wife will be in the room sleeping. Thanks for any insights.

My normal haunts are the PI, Thailand, Colombia, El Salvador and Tijuana. I can return intel on those locales if anyone needs help.

Thanks much.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2308328]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.[/QUOTE]Like I said, oh my. Those prices are unbelievable. Hopefully you're getting top shelf material for 2 + bills per hour. I guess my dream of bedding a statuesque big breasted porcelain China Doll are gone forever. Oh well, I'll live. Thanks for your input. I have my libido trained for the "below median countries" ha where I can enjoy the whole night w my rental and not think about cost, or splashing around in the hotel pool w my chosen 3/4 some of the day. China requires much deeper pockets than I currently have plus the language barrier, still, it will be good to see what could be in Shanghai.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2308299]Hey Socker,

You got the conversion correct. Over $200 for short term from Judy's or Manhattan. The last few years the gov't has been clamping down and many of the spas have closed, and prices gone up.

J & M are both on Tongren Lu, between Nanjing Rd West and Yuyuan East Rd. Nearest hotel is the Portman. There are reasonably priced short term hotels, one chain is called 163.

Note: Google is blocked by the Great Firewall of China. You will need a good VPN to access google maps, etc.

Have fun, stay safe.

DoIt.[/QUOTE]Great info and will see what I can do about planting myself somewhere near the action. I don't have high hopes but I would like to give myself the option of going for it. My trip includes 10 days in Thailand (before Shanghai) so I will not be in "horn dog mode" when I get there but still these China Dolls will be on my mind. It must be pretty cool to monger in China, especially if you speak the lingo. From what I've read it seems the scene is picking up again and that's great news. Too bad there are no Shanghai Go Go Bars because that would change everything in my mind. Thanks much for the help guys.

Arrived Manhatten around midnight Friday, and it was packed. Unfortunately, all guys, less than 10 very marginal girls plus the 4 gogo girls dancing on the bar. Little better at Judy's, so after bouncing back and forth, left alone around 2.

Saturday, got there at 10 and surprisingly busy with maybe 60/40 guy to girl ratio. Picked up a good candidate for 1200 ech night for 2 nights with promise of Saturday & Tuesday at my hotel. Had great time. Delivered her back to M for a drink at 1 AM, she got a second trip almost immediately.

So seems like supply is down, and prices may be on the way up.

Will.

[QUOTE=Socker;2308375]Like I said, oh my. Those prices are unbelievable. Hopefully you're getting top shelf material for 2 + bills per hour. I guess my dream of bedding a statuesque big breasted porcelain China Doll are gone forever. Oh well, I'll live. Thanks for your input. I have my libido trained for the "below median countries" ha where I can enjoy the whole night w my rental and not think about cost, or splashing around in the hotel pool w my chosen 3/4 some of the day. China requires much deeper pockets than I currently have plus the language barrier, still, it will be good to see what could be in Shanghai.[/QUOTE]I am going to Shanghai soon for the first time also. I also am shocked and find that the pricing is daunting and out of my price range expect for maybe 1 session just to stake the flag. I found an out though and it will be interesting to see if it works. I made an account on filipinacupid and found. Voila! - alot of pinays that work there as domestic helpers. I am lining up a few contacts.

[QUOTE=XikangLu;2306798]After a friends dinner in some underground mall on Madang Rd I noticed a spring massage and I walked in. It was about 11 pm and the place was pretty quiet.

Standard 268 price for massage with HE negotiations. The classic Spring deal.

I was shown a standard tiny room with a shower and then girl #93 shows up. A decent looking, hot 21-yo from Hunan that had just joined that MP, moving from Baoshan into downtown. Oh boy she was great! At first she asked 1000 for FS for one hour, but I ended up with 500 for BBBJ & CIM. Fantastic skills. I won't say more. Just go try her out. Absolutely worth it. It's a spring massage so you know what to expect in terms of room decor and service in general, however this one girl is good.[/QUOTE]As another monger said, the 268 price is usually for a different type of massage with older women. At that place, I pay 396 for the special massage with young women. While it technically includes HJ, I always tip (but not the 500 the girls generally start out asking for). Recently had a quite attractive 24 year old from Fujian. Number 82, I think.

I went to checkout the Spring on maoming Road this weekend and apparently the oil massage is "taking a break". Tried another one of my regular places in Jingan with same result. I guess things are shutdown for a little while at the moment.

I usually do overnight with KTV girls in Shanghai (I know managers, just go and pick, no drinks, no KTV room charges). The overnight roughly from 9:00 pm to 9:00 am, cost 2500 yuan (about $360). I don't like J & M because (1), start too late at midnight, (2), KTV girls usually younger (around 20), (3), prefer Chinese than Viet, (4), if I find girl is clean using the similar techniques discussed below (pussy fluid test, and other methods, etc), many times, I can do bb fxxk without extra.

I also usually do ST at German FKK (50 euro for 30 minutes, good value, I can do a few FKK fxxks a visit). But if I book a FKK girl for overnight, it may cost over 800 euros for 8 hours, much more expensive than Shanghai KTV girls.

I visited Brazil and Thailand a few times. But I personally like light color skin of European and Northeast Asia (Japan, Korea, China) instead of dark color skin of S. American or S. E. Asia like Thailand. Just a personal preference. Still many beautiful Brazilian, and Thailand girls are light color skin that I like very much.

USA is a very bad place for P4P.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2308328]Unfortunately your math is spot on. I usually divide by 7. From my world travels I put $200/ HR as the median price. Places like Germany and Thailand and Brazil below the median and China and London right on the median and Russia, Japan and US above the median. This is of course for the service, girl quality and venues I like. You have definitely been in below median countries so China will seem relatively expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobSH;2308258]Your calculation is correct, but if you read below, you'll see 1000ST is closer to normal. Girls from pickup bars are not cheap. You will likely not be able to book at ST hotel, because hotels need to register their guests with the police, and foreigners are extra effort. You'll likely find that ST hotels will claim they are not legally allowed to register foreigners (even if this is not true, they don't want the hassle given the high turn over of customers). You would need to find a Chinese girl or friend to book it for you. In your situation, going to a spa is probably your best bet. Spring Massage is a chain (which you can read about more on this forum) and almost all of the shops will have a 390 RMB oil massage option, and the girl will upsell, quite often to include FS. Expect another 500 RMB for that, but you can try negotiating if you know mandarin. Spring are all over Shanghai, but if you stay central in Puxi, then you'll be closest to a large number of them.

Finally, there are a lot of crackdowns recently, and girls are being a lot more cautious. If you are arriving soon, you may find you strike out. Shanghai (and China overall) is nothing like it used to be 5 years ago.[/QUOTE]Yeah, thanks for the straight facts. In BKK I will be using ST hotels after pulling from Go Go Bars / Beer Bars. If that's not an option in Shanghai then it will be a non mongering visit. I do appreciate the info on Spring Massage and that sounds kind of promising. I'll be in Shanghai in late May and try do a mini TR as a thank you to this forum. Cheers and happy travels.

[QUOTE=MiguelD;2308583]I went to checkout the Spring on maoming Road this weekend and apparently the oil massage is "taking a break". Tried another one of my regular places in Jingan with same result. I guess things are shutdown for a little while at the moment.[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised, a semi legit place in Jing'an(some big expensive spa place with 28 rooms which can also perform less legit "projects") was controlled or raided last week at like 2 pm on a week day when I was having a veggie massage.

Suddenly a light came on. While the girl told me it was just the reception playing I told her normal places don't have lights in the room controled by the reception unless its to warn the police is coming. She laughed and asked me how I knew that.

Anyway, even when the massage was finished they wouldn't let me leave right away, they made me wait a few minutes. Probably not wanting me to cross the path of the police at the reception area.

Stay safe!

I think one thing that noobs need to be aware of that is that 396 option is not on the menu. You have to ask for it. And if you're a noob and you cannot speak Mandarin, then this may be awkward.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2308575]As another monger said, the 268 price is usually for a different type of massage with older women. At that place, I pay 396 for the special massage with young women. While it technically includes HJ, I always tip (but not the 500 the girls generally start out asking for). Recently had a quite attractive 24 year old from Fujian. Number 82, I think.[/QUOTE]Yes, the price went up to 396 a few months ago. At the time, they dropped the oil up-sell scam (+40, +60 or +80), but as of a couple of weeks ago, they've started doing it again. So count on 436 before tips.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2308810]I think one thing that noobs need to be aware of that is that 396 option is not on the menu. You have to ask for it. And if you're a noob and you cannot speak Mandarin, then this may be awkward.[/QUOTE]Right, I just tell them when I arrive (in Chinese) that I only want a young woman. Then they propose the 396 option. So I end up with 396+ maybe 200 for a hot, young naked thing but no sex. Not a great deal but it's something.

As to the oil up-sell, I believe that depends on the provider. It's part of their tip, essentially.

Went to the spot for their roast chicken yesterday and notice a spa above the place. Any experience? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Avonite;2309923]Went to the spot for their roast chicken yesterday and notice a spa above the place. Any experience? Thanks.[/QUOTE]That may be Lets Relax Spa. Wechat = LetsRelaxSPA.

On the smartshanghai website.

Teltel.

[QUOTE=DoItUnderwater;2308299]Note: Google is blocked by the Great Firewall of China. You will need a good VPN to access google maps, etc.[/QUOTE]I am going there soon, and I am wondering what to do to cope with that. Any good VPN you suggest? Possibly free, since I will stay there only one week and I will not have the same problem again?

What about Open Street Maps to replace Google Maps?

I think you have solved all these problems long time ago, and probably can give a good advice. Thanks!!

(Apologies for the nearly OOT question).