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I reckon there is no jealousy involved whatsoever and most bar girls could care less about face when it comes to punters. IMHO, the bar girl is only worried about losing your money. They are just plain selfish and do not want to share the money in your pocket with the other girls. And, they are worried that another bar girl may catch your fancy and you won't come back to give more to them.
Just my POV.
OAH
Do any of you experienced guys know how I would go about contacting uni students re sponsoring them at uni in exchange for favours. I am thinking about going to Chiang Mai for a year and would like to meet up with student girls there.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I reckon there is no jealousy involved whatsoever and most bar girls could care less about face when it comes to punters. IMHO, the bar girl is only worried about losing your money. They are just plain selfish and do not want to share the money in your pocket with the other girls. And, they are worried that another bar girl may catch your fancy and you won't come back to give more to them.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]
I concur. The best thing is to tell the girls you are a butterfly and they will leave you alone. In a bargirl's life I am sure she will differentiate who she likes and who she does not irrespective of the money earned. Ofcourse they will show you their jealousies if you try to take another girl from the same bar. It is no way connected to loosing face. All the people are under no illusion and they know what the mongers do and what the girls do. It is not like they work in a normal office and you are trying to hit on another girl in their office.
Some of you guys try obviously to simplify things since you -maybe unconsciously- recognize the complexity of it all, like:
Thai BG = Pro = Only after your money, no “face” and/or other concerns.
However, the situation with these girls is a little trickier than most of us think. And I am certainly not referring to the newby on his first trip to the LOS.
IMHO the formula is something like this:
Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility :/ jealousy, deeply ingrained + Overarching irrationality/sometimes really (and curiously) attached to a Farang. (A severe warning flag goes up when she starts buying things for you.)
No matter whether she is told by you that you are a butterfly (she doesn’t give a sh*%%), or that you are here only for P4P (she sure knows that) she is certainly afraid of losing you as a customer but she will still be seriously jealous, unpredictable at times, and yes, she will protect “face”, even more when she likes a guy and he is good to her, can fuck well and doesn’t kick her around like her former husband who she get divorced from when she was 20. The chance that she will also get physically violent depends, but there is a good possibility for that.
Those of you who are somewhat new to this scene and are from the West try to understand a few things, it’s not just screwing and paying for it.
Crazykf:
You have a point there: It gets really bad for the Farang -when attacked by the TG- if he defends himself and she carries some clearly visible signs of this. Under not circumstance that should happen, otherwise you're in for trouble. let's hope it doesn't to us.
Don't over-anayze this bargirl shit... Fuck her, pay her and kick her out. Tomorrow is a new day!
NicF:
I like that! Cheers to you!
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]IMHO the formula is something like this:
Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility[/QUOTE]
Please excuse me for saying so, Franfurter, but this is both offensive and inaccurate.
I suppose the reason many punters like to tell themselves that prostitutes are unintelligent is related to misogyny and moralism, ('only a stupid girl would do that', or 'fucking for money is bad, therefore only a dumb would resort to it'), but of course in reality it is a reasonable choice, and not in any way a sign of bad character, lack of intelligence, or irresponsibility.
I might even go so far as to say its the height of hubris to think we have the right to judge them - we pay to fuck them, not patronize them.
To take this line of thinking a bit further, I'll tell a story:
I have a regular, for some three years now. She used to get on my nerves a lot because her behavior was erratic and seemed unreasonable, but there were few girls in my small town who were good in bed, so I put up with it. I suppose it was related to drug use and/or a troublesome boyfriend.
Anyway, I was just remarking today as I lay in bed with the girl after a session, that she had mellowed out tremendously. I knew she had long ago left working at the local brothels or for any mamasans, just keeping a few regulars. She related that she doesn't even drink much anymore, much less take drugs, and holds down a regular job making 13 baht per hour in an internet shop.
I relate this only to say that her life is as complex as any of ours, and more difficult than most (though hardly some tragic tale). I only ever saw the tip of the iceberg, and to categorically expect her to be able to insulate me from the other parts of her life may have been asking too much.
The way she dealt with things wasn't always perfect, but was far from unintelligent or irrational. I could totally relate over the years when she tried to pry more money from my tight hands - made me think of conversations I'd had with the family back home. And, finally, as she gets older she seems, like all of us, to give up a little, accept the normal defeat, boredom, and hopelessness of working class life, and just arrange things for a little comfort and predictability (I can only wonder if this will adversely effect her sack-ability).
Anyway, I know I'm no better than her.
Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
Your POVs have a fair amount of merit Frankfurter, and nobody here is suggesting that you should go out of your way to marry a bargirl. But Opebo is right to flag up the moronic view that people who work in the Thai sex industry are across-the-board stupid. If you can speak Thai, have a few conversations with some 'normal' Bangkokians to learn how to dumb down your take on the bigger picture in Thailand. You may be lucky and find one or two who actually think for themselves, but they will be the exceptions to the rule.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Good view point and good report, Opebo, I respect your opinion yet tend to stick to mine until I -hopefully- find somebody more permanent who at least somewhat meets acceptable criteria. Hard in the BB scene, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I didn't see BB on the abbreviations list and am wondering what it means.
I guess bareback.
Babyback... Petite, young, attractive Asian.
Bait and Switch... Person who shows up is a different one than advertised.
Baja Sur Genitals... From the spanish "the low south".
Balloons Breast... implants.
Bareback... Without condom.
Barracuda... A professional prostitute who's only purpose is to separate you from your money as quickly as possible, preferably without giving you anything in return.
Batin... (Malaysia) Groin massage, but sometimes means Handjob.
BBBJ... Bare Back Blow Job (oral sex without condom)
BBBJTC... Bare Back Blow Job to Completion (oral sex to orgasm)
BBBJTCWS... Bare Back Blow Job to Completion with Swallowing
BBBJWF... Bare Back Blow Job With Facial
BBFS... Bare Back Full Service (sex)
BBS... Barber Shop
BBW... Big Beautiful Woman
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897[/url]
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Some of you guys try obviously to simplify things since you -maybe unconsciously- recognize the complexity of it all, like:
Thai BG = Pro = Only after your money, no “face” and/or other concerns.
However, the situation with these girls is a little trickier than most of us think. And I am certainly not referring to the newby on his first trip to the LOS.
IMHO the formula is something like this:
Thai BG = (Lack of intelligence x education) x Total financial irresponsibility :/ jealousy, deeply ingrained + Overarching irrationality/sometimes really (and curiously) attached to a Farang. (A severe warning flag goes up when she starts buying things for you.)
No matter whether she is told by you that you are a butterfly (she doesn’t give a sh*%%), or that you are here only for P4P (she sure knows that) she is certainly afraid of losing you as a customer but she will still be seriously jealous, unpredictable at times, and yes, she will protect “face”, even more when she likes a guy and he is good to her, can fuck well and doesn’t kick her around like her former husband who she get divorced from when she was 20. The chance that she will also get physically violent depends, but there is a good possibility for that.
Those of you who are somewhat new to this scene and are from the West try to understand a few things, it’s not just screwing and paying for it.[/QUOTE]
With all due respect to your opinion, after 30 years of being a resident and frequent visitor to LOS, I have come to the following conclusion:
Most bar girls have two basic goals:
1) To make as much money as possible selling their bodies.
2) To catch a Farang to look after them long term in the same easy lifestyle they have become accustomed to by working in the bar.
IMHO, they will do and say anything to you including jealousy, violence, buying gifts, etc. to achieve these goals. And, they are the best actresses in the world.
My formulas look like this:
"He is good to her" = More money
"Can fuck well" = Pops fast
I agree that many bar girls are uneducated and financially irresponsible, however, one I've gotten to know pretty well recently has a college education and saves 95% of what she makes on the game. That said, her goals and attitudes are still in line with what I mentioned above.
Just my POV.
OAH
Pink: Sorry, BB is my abbrev. for Bar Beer.
OAH:
I envy you!
In 20 yrs. of coming to LOS I've never come across a higher ed BG who saves her money. Great. But I am still alive and looking. I once was invited to KMUTT in BKK though, but these girls at the faculty there are as much in reach as the moon! (But they sure speak English well)
Thanks guys for being patient with me but I just had a somewhat heavy occurence with a girl I liked and who liked me. It's all good now, only minor injuries.
I think the conversations amongs "oldtimers" like us on ISG is also meant as some sort of enlightenment for firsttimers who think coming to Thailand is some uncomplicated free-for-all porn playground thing with no questions asked.
Take care.
[QUOTE=Frankfurter]Pink: Sorry, BB is my abbrev. for Bar Beer.[/QUOTE]Ok. No problem & thanks. That was my #2 guess :D