Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2814946]
I'm staying in Chapinero, if I dress down, don't draw attention, stay away from sketch spots. At Zona T or the touristy / gringo friendly bars will I still need to be paranoid about my phone S23? Other than Whatsapp / Google translate at the bar, just keeping zipped with a money / phone belt to my stomach. Perhaps just sticking to midscale or upscale dance party bars / clubs with bouncers?[/QUOTE]The main thing that separates cheap and expensive phones nowadays is the camera. Budget and midrange phones will do everything you need to do in Colombia, like Translator, FB, Maps, WhatsApp etc. Why risk it even if the risk is relatively low by Bogota standards? Take like old Samsung S9/10 outside which takes alright pics and leave your S23 indoors unless you need exceptional low light photography.

[QUOTE=PineTree;2815259]A place called "Abejitas" should be within walking distance of your hotel. I have not been there personally but I have heard good things about it.[/QUOTE]I've been here after seeing a few positive reviews of this place. They have a few different branches, and there is one in corferias that is probably about a 10 leisurely minute walk away from the hyatt place.

My session there was good but the girls there are not particurlarly attractive. They show you a lineup of all the "therapists", but they are all dressed in loose fitting therapist uniforms.

You will have no idea what their bodies are like. I choose 1 based on her face, which upon a closer look wasn't that great.

She ended up being more thin than I usually like. I think it cost 190k or 180k for an hour. Had DFK, CBJ, very passionate lady, but probably will not repeat.

[QUOTE=Gropai;2815313]I just came back from Flirt Hotel. Here's a report.

I've known about this place for a long time and know it's expensive, but when I talked to the receptionist on whatsapp I was still a little shocked. You need to transfer 30 USD to be able to make a reservation for a visit. The money is consumable as part of the final bill. One hour costs 200 USD for the girl and 100 USD for the room. Also, the receptionist told me it's "customary" to buy the girl you choose a cocktail or champagne, which is around 70 mil, and you don't have to buy one for yourself. So, in total, a 1 hour session is in the 300 - 350 USD range. Exorbitant by Colombian standards.

I hesitated a little bit, but finally decided to bite the bullet. I spent 3000 USD on air fare, 30+ hours on the plane and quit my job for this trip. I don't mind spending a few hundred more. In for a penny, in for a pound.

The receptionist told me on whatsapp that today is Monday, so pickings were pretty slim with only 7 girls. Among the 7 girls, only 2 have all natural body. I was disappointed and the receptionist reassured me if I don't like the girls after seeing the lineup, I can just leave and come another day.

But after seeing the lineup, I picked one of the 2 natural girls anyway. Her face was 7, body was 8: all natural with nice curves and a round and bouncing ass. She would score better if she had a more athletic physique and didn't have baby damage. The session was done in a nice room, maybe equivalent to a 3-star hotel room. The most amazing thing about this girl is how committed she was during the session. Even though she didn't offer BBBJ, she volunteered to do DFK and deepthroat passionately, and even choked multiple times. She rode me crazy until she was exhausted and even so she didn't quit because our session didn't end. I usually don't tip girls, but I tipped her because she worked really hard. However, you should beware that according to past reports girls at Flirt Hotel don't always have good service in bed.

The strange thing is when I paid at the end, I was charged in COP, not USD. And the bill came out to be around 1,200,000 COP, which is about 260 USD. I paid with credit card and there was no service fee. When the manager showed the owner of the place my bill, the owner couldn't help but show a happy face and genuinely thanked me for my visit. He even closed his palms when appreciating my visit. I guess he thought that was an Asian thing, LOL.

They sent me a driver for transportation free of charge, and the driver told me Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays usually have more girls, and they are usually younger too. I think I will repeat to see this place in its prime. It is indeed expensive, but at least the prices are open and on the table. It's equally expensive to everyone. The staff are cordial too. You won't feel like being ripped off and fooled around as a gringo.[/QUOTE]I won't tell you how to spend your money, because everyone has there own budget, but yes, 1,200,000 per hour is extremely expensive. I'm not just talking about over paying I'm talking about in another league. I remember going to lido, which is already considered expensive and asking how much to take a girl back with me and was quoted 1 M. That was a girl who I considered a high 8, Jessica Alba look alike with a nice body to match. Given that, I would be terribly upset if the girl was anything but extremely enthusiastic. For that amount of money, you should be demanding the service that you received at the very minimum, not simply grateful. Lucky they don't know how to use exchange rates, 350 USD / HR is ridiculous, especially for someone with baby damage. But I'm glad you had a good time and great report!

Maybe you should give lido a shot as it might be to your liking. Or even Seeking Arrangement. If you're willing to spend 1 M per hour, I doubt you'll have trouble finding takers there.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815335]The main thing that separates cheap and expensive phones nowadays is the camera. Budget and midrange phones will do everything you need to do in Colombia, like Translator, FB, Maps, WhatsApp etc. Why risk it even if the risk is relatively low by Bogota standards? Take like old Samsung S9/10 outside which takes alright pics and leave your S23 indoors unless you need exceptional low light photography.[/QUOTE]The main thing that separates your expensive phone and a cheap burner phone is the expensive phone probably has all your banking apps, crypto wallets, investment accounts, credit cards, etc.

If they steal your cheap phone and get access, they can find that you fucked Aleja, Fernanda and Camila yesterday. If they get access to your main phone, you could be out thousands.

Compromise. Buy a 2 year old expensive, unlocked phone, just put your basic needs on it and you protect all your stuff and still have a great camera. If you lose it, you're out $200, plus the pictures of Aleja, Fernanda and Camila.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815335]The main thing that separates cheap and expensive phones nowadays is the camera. [/QUOTE]It is not the camera. It is the processor. Excellent cameras are a dime a dozen these days. Even my dashcam is 4 K and only cost about $80. A phone is not costing $1500 because of the camera.

"Smartphone companies' devices are valuable and expensive because of their processor chipset and given performance.

[URL]https://www.triveditech.com/types-of-processor-used-in-smartphones/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815305]Hate to add another shitty report and this one will not apply to everyone. It's specific for people who like to do outcalls. Note that even though I took the girl from SF, this can happen on any outcall. You're susceptible as long as you let the girl into your room, whether she comes from SF, Photoprepagos or Mileroticos. So outcalls have a lot of risks and I try my best to protect myself but you can't avoid all problems.

This girl uses the name Alejandra Reyes and works at SF. I gave her my offer to go to my apartment for 1 HR and she thinks about it and agrees. She says she needs to go buy beer first and we should drink. I told her you can buy drinks, and I'd pay for your beers after our session, that's not a problem. But I don't drink myself. This is obviously to protect myself from scoping but I also don't like alcohol in reality. She buys 4 cans of beer, we get in the taxi and she keeps insisting that I open one even though I kept telling her no. She keeps insisting, then I'm thinking, this isn't good, she's has a high probability of being a scoper and I need to get myself out of the situation. Her carrying what looks like an iPhone 12/13 in Santa Fe is another warning sign but I didn't see it initially. Girls normally will not take expensive phones to Santa Fe unless it didn't cost them much (gifted or stolen). So when we get to the apartment, taxi driver sees that I'm distracted trying to avoid opening the beers so he tried to pass me a fake 10 mil as change. The bill felt super fake so I'm like nope, then he charges me 15 mil for the ride, even though it's always 6-8 mil. So whatever fuck this guy, I pay him 15 because I'm trying to get rid of this chica. I go into the apartment building which has a security guard. The guard and I are on good terms and I tip him from time to time. I told the guard through the translator don't let her inside and I went upstairs.

The next part is just kind of dumb on my part because it should have been over then. I ordered a Rappi which came about 10 minutes after I went upstairs. I thought the girl would have been gone by then but when I went down to get food she was still there. I got the Rappi and the girl keeps saying I need to pay her, I took out my phone for the translator and she grabs it in front of the security guard. Guard does nothing. I'm like wtf dude (we had a long conversation afterwards but tldr is that he doesn't want to get involved and thinks I should pay the possible scoper what I promised for the outcall, no f'ing way I'm doing that). Well after a lot of back and forth, I go upstairs and leave the phone with her since it's a shit backup phone. If you saw my previous post the phone I lost this time is the second cheapo phone, worth about $30. So between the earlier robbery and this one, I lost two phones worth $100 in Santa Fe.

So the only bright side is that I wasn't in any physical danger. But that's because 1) I don't like alcohol and avoid it altogether and 2) I knew about the scope attacks going on in Colombia. If though you're not aware of the scopolamine epidemic going on, especially in Medellin, maybe less so in Bogota, then you could very well lose a lot of money and potentially your life to "just a beer".

Here's the thing, although your experience might not match mine exactly, for example, you use some other "safer" outcall sources, you have no idea who these girls are and scams CAN happen. A mildly annoying example is the girl comes and she doesn't look anything like her online photos and getting rid of her becomes a chore, which did happen the first time I used Photoprepagos. Worse is if she doesn't perform and asks you to pay her (has happened to me also). Finally if she claims you were violent and blackmails you, thankfully has not happened to me but you can imagine that without in-room surveillence you'd be SOL.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your story, and sorry that happened to you. You mentioned some things I wouldn't have picked up on, like her having an iPhone that's out of her league / stolen. I have an Eroticas set up due to other positive reviews of the site in general, but a random girl even if from a SF has less vetting. I think ill just leave the SF girls at the clubs and not try to bring any back.

I'm going on a Thurs-Sat to SF, I'm told there's more police then (though that they won't guarantee help you) but I read that it's better than nothing. Definitely scheduling Woodman for a wingman.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815305]Hate to add another shitty report and this one will not apply to everyone. It's specific for people who like to do outcalls. Note that even though I took the girl from SF, this can happen on any outcall. You're susceptible as long as you let the girl into your room, whether she comes from SF, Photoprepagos or Mileroticos. So outcalls have a lot of risks and I try my best to protect myself but you can't avoid all problems.

This girl uses the name Alejandra Reyes and works at SF. I gave her my offer to go to my apartment for 1 HR and she thinks about it and agrees. She says she needs to go buy beer first and we should drink. I told her you can buy drinks, and I'd pay for your beers after our session, that's not a problem. But I don't drink myself. This is obviously to protect myself from scoping but I also don't like alcohol in reality. She buys 4 cans of beer, we get in the taxi and she keeps insisting that I open one even though I kept telling her no. She keeps insisting, then I'm thinking, this isn't good, she's has a high probability of being a scoper and I need to get myself out of the situation. Her carrying what looks like an iPhone 12/13 in Santa Fe is another warning sign but I didn't see it initially. Girls normally will not take expensive phones to Santa Fe unless it didn't cost them much (gifted or stolen). So when we get to the apartment, taxi driver sees that I'm distracted trying to avoid opening the beers so he tried to pass me a fake 10 mil as change. The bill felt super fake so I'm like nope, then he charges me 15 mil for the ride, even though it's always 6-8 mil. So whatever fuck this guy, I pay him 15 because I'm trying to get rid of this chica. I go into the apartment building which has a security guard. The guard and I are on good terms and I tip him from time to time. I told the guard through the translator don't let her inside and I went upstairs.

The next part is just kind of dumb on my part because it should have been over then. I ordered a Rappi which came about 10 minutes after I went upstairs. I thought the girl would have been gone by then but when I went down to get food she was still there. I got the Rappi and the girl keeps saying I need to pay her, I took out my phone for the translator and she grabs it in front of the security guard. Guard does nothing. I'm like wtf dude (we had a long conversation afterwards but tldr is that he doesn't want to get involved and thinks I should pay the possible scoper what I promised for the outcall, no f'ing way I'm doing that). Well after a lot of back and forth, I go upstairs and leave the phone with her since it's a shit backup phone. If you saw my previous post the phone I lost this time is the second cheapo phone, worth about $30. So between the earlier robbery and this one, I lost two phones worth $100 in Santa Fe.

So the only bright side is that I wasn't in any physical danger. But that's because 1) I don't like alcohol and avoid it altogether and 2) I knew about the scope attacks going on in Colombia. If though you're not aware of the scopolamine epidemic going on, especially in Medellin, maybe less so in Bogota, then you could very well lose a lot of money and potentially your life to "just a beer".

Here's the thing, although your experience might not match mine exactly, for example, you use some other "safer" outcall sources, you have no idea who these girls are and scams CAN happen. A mildly annoying example is the girl comes and she doesn't look anything like her online photos and getting rid of her becomes a chore, which did happen the first time I used Photoprepagos. Worse is if she doesn't perform and asks you to pay her (has happened to me also). Finally if she claims you were violent and blackmails you, thankfully has not happened to me but you can imagine that without in-room surveillence you'd be SOL.[/QUOTE]How would she put drugs into a can of beer you're opening yourself? I don't see anything she did wrong or even suspicious. I agree with the doorman, you should have paid her what you agreed on. You have the right to change your mind at the last minute but she showed up to the job and deserved compensation. If she had called the police I think they would have told you the same thing.

There are several ways to minimize risk and avoid becoming paranoid:

- Bang SF street chicas in the motel you found them standing in front of. Why move them around the city?

- If you want to use your main hotel, use an escort agency like La Celestina.

- If you want a longer session in SF, get a room at Santa Fe Suite (50 mil for two people until checkout at 3 pm the next day).

- If you want a longer session in an upscale room, use a love motel in Chapinero like Z Motel or Love 62.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2815446]It is not the camera. It is the processor. Excellent cameras are a dime a dozen these days. Even my dashcam is 4 K and only cost about $80. A phone is not costing $1500 because of the camera.

"Smartphone companies' devices are valuable and expensive because of their processor chipset and given performance.

[URL]https://www.triveditech.com/types-of-processor-used-in-smartphones/[/URL][/QUOTE]In the context of what ISG members want to do with the phone in Colombia, the main difference is the camera. Your daily activities involve things like FB, WhatsApp, Maps, Translator, web browsing, all you can do on a $70 MediaTek Helio phone. You don't need a $700 phone in Bogota unless you need to take nice pictures.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2815427]I won't tell you how to spend your money, because everyone has there own budget, but yes, 1,200,000 per hour is extremely expensive. I'm not just talking about over paying I'm talking about in another league. I remember going to lido, which is already considered expensive and asking how much to take a girl back with me and was quoted 1 M. That was a girl who I considered a high 8, Jessica Alba look alike with a nice body to match. Given that, I would be terribly upset if the girl was anything but extremely enthusiastic. For that amount of money, you should be demanding the service that you received at the very minimum, not simply grateful. Lucky they don't know how to use exchange rates, 350 USD / HR is ridiculous, especially for someone with baby damage. But I'm glad you had a good time and great report!

Maybe you should give lido a shot as it might be to your liking. Or even Seeking Arrangement. If you're willing to spend 1 M per hour, I doubt you'll have trouble finding takers there.[/QUOTE]Thanks for Flirt review, even compared to what I'm used to Miami & the purpose of being in Colombia that's high. I may check out Lido just once, if 1 mill equals $220 per hour, which is still way high but I can afford it if by some chance they have a 9 or 10 unicorn that grants every desire of mine.

I'm looking at Danna from Eroticas (unfortunately she cancelled on a previous poster here) as their most expensive girl by far. Her pics are gorgeous, as much as you can trust those sites, and even she is 680,000 cop per hour. The next tier of girls around 300-400 K with the majority of seemingly cute girls around 180-250 K. Including BBBJ. So I'll be avoiding Flirt. Maybe add in Celestina.

[QUOTE=JackEnBogo;2815498]How would she put drugs into a can of beer you're opening yourself? I don't see anything she did wrong or even suspicious. I agree with the doorman, you should have paid her what you agreed on. You have the right to change your mind at the last minute but she showed up to the job and deserved compensation. If she had called the police I think they would have told you the same thing.[/QUOTE]Use some foresight. She's asking me to drink even though I repeatedly told her that I don't. Whether I open the can or not is not the main problem. I didn't open the can just to avoid giving her another excuse to demand money from me. This is a minor thing in the whole scenario. Primarily you need to think about why she would insist that I drink even though I told her that I hate alcohol. There could be maybe a few reasons that might make some sense but there's one reason that seems most likely and the one you need to avoid at all costs. Should I allow her into my room and test whether she is a scoper or not? Fuck no. You'd be stupid to let her into your room where she can create all kinds of chaos even if you didn't get drugged. I offered her 100 mil to go back which is twice her short-time rate of 50 mil. If she really only cared about her time, which was all of 15 minutes from SF to my apartment, she would have taken the offer.

Another piece of evidence is that most girls know they have to register in the guest log and stop at the guard desk before going upstairs. She tried to sneak through.

Like I said, this report doesn't have lessons that apply to everyone. You don't think you're going to get into this situation. Sure OK. Skip my report.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815598]Use some foresight. She's asking me to drink even though I repeatedly told her that I don't. Whether I open the can or not is not the main problem. I didn't open the can just to avoid giving her another excuse to demand money from me. This is a minor thing in the whole scenario. Primarily you need to think about why she would insist that I drink even though I told her that I hate alcohol. There could be maybe a few reasons that might make some sense but there's one reason that seems most likely and the one you need to avoid at all costs. Should I allow her into my room and test whether she is a scoper or not? Fuck no. You'd be stupid to let her into your room where she can create all kinds of chaos even if you didn't get drugged. I offered her 100 mil to go back which is twice her short-time rate of 50 mil. If she really only cared about her time, which was all of 15 minutes from SF to my apartment, she would have taken the offer.

Another piece of evidence is that most girls know they have to register in the guest log and stop at the guard desk before going upstairs. She tried to sneak through.

Like I said, this report doesn't have lessons that apply to everyone. You don't think you're going to get into this situation. Sure OK. Skip my report.[/QUOTE]A girl trying to push you to drink is a huge red flag. It only takes a second of distraction to slip something into a drink.

It's much easier to replace a girl than it is to replace your stuff.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2815503]In the context of what ISG members want to do with the phone in Colombia, the main difference is the camera. Your daily activities involve things like FB, WhatsApp, Maps, Translator, web browsing, all you can do on a $70 MediaTek Helio phone. You don't need a $700 phone in Bogota unless you need to take nice pictures.[/QUOTE]The main difference is not the camera. Cheap phones take good pictures. Cheap phones are not as fast and efficient and can not handle multi-tasking as expensive phones because they do not have the top notch processors that expensive phones have. Again, nobody that knows anything about electronics or photography is spending $1500 for a phone because of a camera. And if someone is, then they are mistaken on why the phone costs as much as it does.

I have always only carried 1 phone, and it has always been the most expensive one, dating back from my first days in Colombia when I had a Palm Treo 680 in like 2005. I hang out in Santa Fe all the time. I hang out downtown in Medellin. Villa Mimosa in Rio with my Samsung Flagship. I travel more than most and hang out in some shady places. Never have I had someone steal a phone from me. Back when I had a new Samsung S5 I even took pictures of street people downtown in Medellin at night and posted them here. Hell, it was last year when I took pictures in downtown Bogota at night using my Note 20 and posted them here. I guess some people are more susceptible to having shit taken though. Having 2 phones stolen in 1 trip? I think I would just stay home.

Hi, I'm looking for places similar to the Mezzanine in Usaquen: nice neighborhood, low key, works during daytime.

Thanks.

Also re: Uber scams, do complain to Uber after the ride, you will likely get a refund and sometimes they will fire the driver.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2815716]A girl trying to push you to drink is a huge red flag. It only takes a second of distraction to slip something into a drink.

It's much easier to replace a girl than it is to replace your stuff.[/QUOTE]Exactly! And when your spidey senses say to move on, it's best to move on.

Well done Tasss!

[QUOTE=JimmyBowl;2815814]Hi, I'm looking for places similar to the Mezzanine in Usaquen: nice neighborhood, low key, works during daytime.

Thanks.

Also re: Uber scams, do complain to Uber after the ride, you will likely get a refund and sometimes they will fire the driver.[/QUOTE]I think you'll have a tough time finding much. I would try some of the massage spas in the area. There are probably a few which will expand their services for you.