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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1671914]About 1,000 years ago back in the days of Myspace, or maybe even ICQ, probably one girl wrote " I am god fearing" Her sister saw it so put it on her page too. Then the cousin did same, then Auntie Princess etc and now its a national emblem..[/QUOTE]I have silly issues with their "God Fearing" attitude.

I am not so handsome and often, girls will not show positive response, and when I get a bit bored I just tell them "is it because I am not handsome and attractive that you are not so responsive. ?

The answer? "Don't ever say that, all are beautiful in God's eyes.".

Then that doesn't mean that the decision to not meet me changes.

Hypocrites? LOL.

You live and learn.

[QUOTE=Aimless;1671982]Thanks for the great info Sean. Can you please clarify the above statement you made? It sounds like the day after you BF her, she must show up to work and cannot take the day off? If that were the case, it would make good business sense for the bar so that guys that just BF'd a girl cannot keep her an extra day without another BF (which is what I would sure do!) You then say that it would drive up your interest? I'm a little confused as that sounds like they are either off work or not allowed to be barfined? I'm seriously thinking about graduating from F4P on DIA / FC to P4P on Burgos / EDSA so I can avoid all the drama / jealousy that goes with the F P scene, so I appreciate the advice.

Cheers!

Aimless[/QUOTE]Exactly. The girls must show up for work next day after they are barfined the night before. I was having drinks with a really cute girl who needed to be off tomorrow and could not go with me. This confirmed what another girl told me the day before. So must be true. I liked her and now she has bargaining power over me. As we tend to want to have what we cannot have I was tempted to offer her on top of 5 K LT tip. But your explanation makes a lot more sense to me. Def less drama if you meet a girl outside of these establishments. I hate being paraded out of ESDA every manasan and every girl checking you out and greedy taxi drivers outside. For internet dating try Tidner, I met a very cute girl this way.

[QUOTE=Aimless;1668494]Ordeal Report.

So, here are a couple questions for you Pros:

1) I like really hot girls with real GFE (lets call her Miss 10 GFE). Do you guys think I can go to Burgos or EDSA and find a really hot provider that will give real GFE? Or do they all know they're hot and feel like they don't need to perform?

2) I'm only going for about two weeks or so, and would like to have just one really amazing girl for the week, LT every night. I'm willing to pay what you guys have outlined as typical Burgos / EDSA barfines, but is there some way that after the first night I can avoid barfining her every night? I don't mind richly rewarding Miss 10 GFE, but I don't want to waste it on the bar if I don't have to.

3) Any other strategies to find Miss 10 GFE are greatly appreciated. Please keep in mind that I only barfined a girl once in Thailand 15 years ago, and then stayed with her for the week, so I'm a noob at this. All the rest have been DIA / FC girls introducing me to the family.

Cheers!

Aimless[/QUOTE]Yes I do believe you can find Miss 10 GFE. This is because you know what you want. Since you know what you want, it is easy to search for. Since you found a 10 before, then you will be able to find a 10 again. And the GFE will depend on you. You may have to make an attempt many times and fail, but it can be had. Get to know the mommies, they if they believe you are sincere, they will probably be able to help you out.

[QUOTE=Aimless;1671982]Thanks for the great info Sean. Can you please clarify the above statement you made? It sounds like the day after you BF her, she must show up to work and cannot take the day off? If that were the case, it would make good business sense for the bar so that guys that just BF'd a girl cannot keep her an extra day without another BF (which is what I would sure do!) You then say that it would drive up your interest? I'm a little confused as that sounds like they are either off work or not allowed to be barfined? I'm seriously thinking about graduating from F4P on DIA / FC to P4P on Burgos / EDSA so I can avoid all the drama / jealousy that goes with the F P scene, so I appreciate the advice.

Cheers!

Aimless[/QUOTE]I hardly ever comment anymore because it's been years since I've been there, but I'm looking to plan a trip again soon. I am currently talking online to a bargirl (yeah, I know) and she has said the exact same thing. If they are barfined they are required to work the next day to get their money. If they don't work the next day, they forfeit their portion of the barfine. "my girl" said that's they way all bars do it. Even when they are allowed one day off a week, often on Tuesday or Wednesday, if they BF the day before then they have to work on their only day off to receive the money. Technically they can still take their day off but then they would basically be fucking for free.

[QUOTE=Kycuriosity;1672894]if they BF the day before then they have to work on their only day off to receive the money. Technically they can still take their day off but then they would basically be fucking for free.[/QUOTE]It's just maths and the girls know best. One punter is just one punter whom breezes in and out of town. While we are on here chatting, those girls are working the bars.

I've had girls have to go back to 'sign off' at about 4 or 5 am at the end of their shift, I guess a similar thing.

I've had girls whon have done the sums and decided they can forfeit one night of their BF share and instead take all of the following day's BF which they may have told you they will pay to the bar but they will keep 100%.

Basically the bars do give the girls security and an ongoing income, they don't get BF every day, or even every week but they do get a job, a workplace and friends. We are just visitors and quite often their allegiance is to the mamasan whom will look after them.

I love pinays and I feast from them in almost all aspects. Just want to state this and some of you pinay protectors will choke so you may not want to read further. What I am going to say is a known subject as many have been postponed for the same BS. Some short historically background: mid / late 2013 my daughter with phil mother was borned. Early 2014 my daughter with domestic GF borned. Right after this I went to hospital and got snipped, thinking "skoggy, now you have enough descendants", hehe, both thinking they are the only child. I have after this juiced up quite a few pinays and just waited what was bound to happen. A pinay told me in June she was 2 months pregnant with my child without me saying much else than "OK, it happens, no worries we work something out". I know of course she is lying (not being pregnant but my child NO) but I am playing her (since she is obviously playing me). Since the baby was born here the other day I've seen pics and even if a newborn can be hard to divide being mixed or not this baby looks all in as a phil baby from origin. I compare pics with my mixed phil daughter mentioned above.

I have not provided this mother with the great news yet I can hardly be the father bcs my sperm is useless. I want to play along and see how far it goes before I pop her the good news. And I thought I only met good ladies, hehe. So this is going to be an interesting one. Actually this is like reading some of the stories I've heard and read before and I find it funny to be in the middle of one myself. What divide this girl from the mother of my phil baby is that this girl is by far a Hi so type. She is a datingsite girl from origin, with only small job contracts here and there and she never even bothers to finish one but quits by herself as the payment is to small or she doesn't want to get up early in the morning. I have told her many times, even the pay is small, to keep her jobs as it shows she is dedicated and wants to obtain a regular life. She has never listened. I believe she of course to have been joining the money against sex occupation in phils from time to time (I have from good intel I am right). I have photo proof I also want to show her when she comes with the excusing tirade I will receive when I pop her the "I am snipped" routine. I know by fact she is covering her lies with a lie and that one with a new one so it basically never stops.

With the mother of my phil baby it was a total difference as she was highly educated, earned good money and if she had to she would be more than happy to raise the baby by herself. She was not stucked in a bad situation as she wanted a mixed baby and I gave it to her (did not mean to but it happened). She has never claimed me a daim but I ship in every now and then and I pay half for her and daughters rental in Makati so mother can obtain her very good job as lawyer in a big international bank here in mentioned place. Actually I left her with a Norwegian debit card I could spare so I just ship in money electronically so she can withdraw whenever she feels like. Actually she withdraws to little compare to the rental cost each month and don't spend much. Me and her have very good rel by the way. She is just happy having a mixed kid as she despite pinoys. She is educated abroad, lived many years in various countries and have not so much good things to say about phils (of course). Her family manage quite well so she lives pretty much a European girls life with no family attachments which phils are so "famous" for.

So how far should I push this one, I want to put a hacker on the subject to see if she claims same thing with other punters? I got her to use my ipad once so I could log into her accounts after she left but she managed to avoid this. Other girls have not been so clever, hehe.

It is all in good fun but I look forward to the day comes when I can pop her the real truth and I want do do it face to face. I am also willing to commit into a DNA test on her expense. I just want to play a little and se how far she will go before she admits the truth. ?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674879]So how far should I push this one, I want to put a hacker on the subject to see if she claims same thing with other punters?

It is all in good fun but I look forward to the day comes when I can popp her the real truth and I want do do it face to face. I am also willing to commit into a DNA test on her expense. I just want to play a little and se how far she will go before she admits the truth. ?[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have lots of time on your hands. Push it to the max! Then report to the forum members for their amusement. But seriously, what's the joy in outing a Filipina MILF you KNOW is lying? AR.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1674921]Sounds like you have lots of time on your hands. Push it to the max! Then report to the forum members for their amusement. But seriously, what's the joy in outing a Filipina MILF you KNOW is lying? AR.[/QUOTE]Just the fact some indignant people of this forum thinks they are not. All in the benefits of the pinays as they are poor and we all feel so sorry for them. Well I am not. On the other hand there are so many other stupid things being debated here or there so this will just drown in its all. In my world outing is if I did mention her name and number. I have no agenda whatsoever but pinays from datingsites can not be trusted either, hehe.

I also write this as i know quite a few been in and probably will end in the same situation so i think not the subject are uncalled for. My way of doing it and how i do it can always be questioned of course. I just write what ever i feel like and that's it. U as a seasoned monger find this not as a problem but we have newbies here so they cank now what to expect. I don't sit on the answers,far from it,i just tell my experience(s). And i thought maybe that was the this forum was all about(maybe i am wrong). This post can die if it is not called for as many others do.

And yes I have only one daughter I care for in Norway. Work(or in my case business)goes smoothly so I have loads of time on my own. Often spend in the slopes of Norway weekdays(telemark or slalom)sometimes with gf and baby.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1674921]Sounds like you have lots of time on your hands. Push it to the max! Then report to the forum members for their amusement. But seriously, what's the joy in outing a Filipina MILF you KNOW is lying? AR.[/QUOTE]As most Filipinas don't know their fertile cycle she could be mistaken. Also snipping is not 100%. Best is to tell her now that noway, you are infertile and that you will have DNA test after birth. Most Filipinas are not aware of DNA testing either.

[QUOTE=Aimless;1671982]Thanks for the great info Sean. Can you please clarify the above statement you made? It sounds like the day after you BF her, she must show up to work and cannot take the day off? If that were the case, it would make good business sense for the bar so that guys that just BF'd a girl cannot keep her an extra day without another BF (which is what I would sure do!) You then say that it would drive up your interest? I'm a little confused as that sounds like they are either off work or not allowed to be barfined? I'm seriously thinking about graduating from F4P on DIA / FC to P4P on Burgos / EDSA so I can avoid all the drama / jealousy that goes with the F P scene, so I appreciate the advice.

Cheers!

Aimless[/QUOTE]Plain and simple. This rule is in effect to prevent you and others from cheating the bar out of a BF.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674879]So how far should I push this one...[/QUOTE]Mixed feelings on this. Plenty of girls meet other guys concurrently. You're in town and perhaps the other sperm shooters are not. Or you have money and the others don't. This girl may even know about your other kids, thus she may see you as a responsible chap. Run the accusation up the flagpole and see if you salute it. In her defence I've met plenty of girls who don't know their cycles well or who have irregular ones.

AR asked a good question, which I'll paraphrase: "What do you gain from it?" Other than the satisfaction of proving someone devious I don't see much upside for you. She may very well react quite horribly if you rub her nose in it, especially if she has completely built and occupied the fantasy world of you taking care of her and the baby. Has she told her father, uncles, and brothers that you're the father and you'll take care of her... and by extension them? *Poof* There goes their lifetime supply of Emperador. And it's your fault. This could get hairy for you. I don't want to be an alarmist but the potential downside is significantly worse than the upside for you. If I were you I wouldn't mention the vasectomy at first, rather go with asking her for a DNA test. (Does she have the money to pay for it?) If she balks this strongly suggests that she believes you're not the father; you get the satisfaction you seek without causing her too much humiliation. Then you may tell her about vasectomy, if you think wise.

I don't know Philippine law, but I know legal systems can be capricious, especially in an us insiders versus you outsiders situation. In a different Asian country a friend of mine was accused of paternity. He obtained the blood and DNA tests proving he wasn't the dad. The girl sued him. Did her lawyer caution her against doing so? Nope. Was her case tossed out of court? Nope. Did he win? Yes. Was that the end of it? No. She appealed and more money out his pocket. Did he win the appeal? Yes. Was that the end of it? Certainly not. And off they went to the Supreme Court. For an effin paternity case. My friend never envisioned it going on so long, so far, and so expensively.

I play along then. I thought this was a bit humorist but even being not to paranoid I just go along with another DNA test for everyone's pleasure. I will pay attention to this situation but I think I am good to go in and out of phils as I have no info she is somewhat connected to any authorities whatsoever. Thanks for the heads up Huts, I regret it (my post already) but still a reminder for lets say newbies.

[QUOTE=Hutsori;1674992]
AR asked a good question, which I'll paraphrase: "What do you gain from it?" Other than the satisfaction of proving someone devious I don't see much upside for you. She may very well react quite horribly if you rub her nose in it, especially if she has completely built and occupied the fantasy world of you taking care of her and the baby. Has she told her father, uncles, and brothers that you're the father and you'll take care of her... and by extension them? *Poof* There goes their lifetime supply of Emperador. And it's your fault. This could get hairy for you. I don't want to be an alarmist but the potential downside is significantly worse than the upside for you. If I were you I wouldn't mention the vasectomy at first, rather go with asking her for a DNA test. (Does she have the money to pay for it?) If she balks this strongly suggests that she believes you're not the father; you get the satisfaction you seek without causing her too much humiliation. Then you may tell her about vasectomy, if you think wise.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice Huts and asking ourselves "What do I gain from it?" is something we could apply to other situations girls may try to put us into here as well. I can easily see Skogis's situation going downhill for him real fast. If the girl thinks she's going to loose her gravy train she could turn around and claim you sexually assaulted her (apparently the short 4 letter word, that starts with an "R" and ends with "ape" is prohibited to use, LOL). Even though there's no evidence it would still cost him a few thousand (or perhaps even hundred's of thousands) pesos to get out of it. Or she could try to set him up and scam him some other way. It doesn't matter what caste she come from, there's a good chance she has a friend or family member in the PNP who would be in on the scam.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1675095] but still a reminder for lets say newbees.[/QUOTE]And another reminder for foreigners: We already wear a target on our backs, do your best to keep it as small as possible.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1675095]Thanks for the heads up Huts, I regret it (my post allready) but still a reminder for lets say newbees.[/QUOTE]From my perspective you don't need to regret anything. I see the humour, and the potential for even more, in this. A good story is always a good story. If she was claiming pregnancy falsely I'd play along if I were you, but since there is a real baby the seriousness of the situation is exponentially higher. Is a humourous story, which is the most you stand you gain, worth the risk?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1674879]I love pinays and I feast from them in almost all aspects. Just want to state this and some of you pinay protectors will choke so you may not want to read further. What I am going to say is a known subject as many have been postponed for the same BS. Some short historicaly background: mid / late 2013 my daughter with phil mother was borned. Early 2014 my daughter with domestic GF borned. Right after this I went to hospital and got snipped, thinking "skoggy, now you have enough descentants", hehe, both thinking they are the only child. I have after this juiced up quite a few pinays and just waited what was bound to happen. A pinay told me in June she was 2 months pregnant with my child without me saying much else than "ok, it happens, no worries we work something out". I know ofcourse she is lying (not beeing pregnant but my child NO) but I am playing her (since she is obviously playing me). Since the baby was born here the other day I've seen pics and even if a newborn can be hard to devide beeing mixed or not this baby looks all in as a phil baby from origin. I compare pics with my mixed phil daughter mentioned above.

I have not provided this mother with the great news yet I can hardly be the father bcs my spermia is useless. I want to play along and see how far it goes before I pop her the good news. And I thought I only met good ladies, hehe. So this is going to be an interesting one. Actually this is like reading some of the stories I've heard and read before and I find it funny to be inthe middle of one myself. What devide this girl from the mother of my phil baby is that this girl is by far a Hi so type. She is a datingsite girl from origin, with only small job contracts here and there and she never even bothers to finish one but quits by herself as the payment is to small or she doesn't want to get up early in the morning. I have told her many times, eventhe pay is small, to keep her jobs as it shows she is dedicated and wants to obtain a regular life. She has never listened. I believe she ofcourse to have been joining the money against sex occupation in phils from time to time (I have from good intel I am right). I have photoproof I also want to show her when she comes with the excusing tirade iwill recieve when I pop her the "I am snipped" routine. I know by fact she is covering her lies with a lie and that one with a new one so it basically never stops.

With the mother of my phil baby it was a total difference as she was highly educated, earned good money and if she had to she would be more than happy to raise the baby by herself. She was not stucked in a bad situation as she wanted a mixed baby and I gave it to her (did not mean to but it happened). She has never claimed me a daim but I ship in every now and then and I pay half for her and daughters rental in Makati so mother can obtain her very good job as lawyer in a big international bank here in mentioned place. Actually I left her with a norwegian debetcard I could spare so I just ship in money electronicaly so she can withdraw whenever she feels like. Actually she withdraws to little compare to the rental cost each month and don't spend much. Me and her have very good rel by the way. She is just happy having a mixed kid as she depites pinoys. She is educated abroad, lived many years in various countries and have not so much good things to say about phils (ofcourse). Her family manage quite well so she lives pretty much a european girls life with no family attachments which phils are so "famous" for.

So how far should I push this one, I want to put a hacker on the subject to see if she claims same thing with other punters? I got her to use my ipad once so I could log into her accounts after she left but she managed to avoid this. Other girls have not been so clever, hehe.

It is all in good fun but I look forward to the day comes when I can popp her the real truth and I want do do it face to face. I am also willing to commit into a DNA test on her expense. I just want to play a little and se how far she will go before she admits the truth. ?[/QUOTE]Get retested too, as sometimes the vas will migrate back together and cause unwanted fathering.