East China - Shanghai

Whilst food at Blind Pig on Nanyang Lu is still as bad as ever. It has never been any good since re-branding from Big Bamboo and menu totally changed. There is now a new Mexican Cantina right above BP. It looks pretty good inside but I did not try the food.

The Spot new location right next door to Judy's was absolutely hopping when first opened in May. You could not get a seat in there. July 6 which was first night Judy re-opening the place was deserted and they were all not next door in Judy's. Strange indeed.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2346979]Yeah, I refuse to monger with the wechat connected to my identity. Way too dangerous.

I buy sim cards from hotel concierge, even if I'm not staying there. They're supposed to register you with your passport, but for 100 rmb many will just register it in a fake name (or their own name). Then you switch back and forth between your real account and the bogus one.

When the government arrests someone, 1st thing they do is investigate wechat conversations. Even if you delete a conversation, it's forever available to the government. Maybe I'm paranoid but prefer to err on the side of caution. Too many contributors to this thread have faced arrest and detention.[/QUOTE]Don't feel too safe just by using a different SIM card. All mobile phones are equipped with a unique IMEI number. Who knows if that information also is sent as meta data whenever you send a WeChat message? If, so you have to get rid of the mobile, not only the SIM card. Having said that I doubt that you will get in problems other than having your WeChat blocked if you write something inappropriate.

Personally I think life is too short to think of ways to hide from big brother anywhere in the world. You are not anonymous anywhere on earth. And you always make a footprint somewhere. So live with it.

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.

[QUOTE=BadBoyBilly;2347660]Whilst food at Blind Pig on Nanyang Lu is still as bad as ever. It has never been any good since re-branding from Big Bamboo and menu totally changed. There is now a new Mexican Cantina right above BP. It looks pretty good inside but I did not try the food.

The Spot new location right next door to Judy's was absolutely hopping when first opened in May. You could not get a seat in there. July 6 which was first night Judy re-opening the place was deserted and they were all not next door in Judy's. Strange indeed.[/QUOTE]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2347692]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.[/QUOTE]We are all different my friend. I can introduce you to a bunch of long term SH expat residents who now never frequent BP since the change. But each to their own.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]Don't feel too safe just by using a different SIM card. All mobile phones are equipped with a unique IMEI number. Who knows if that information also is sent as meta data whenever you send a WeChat message? If, so you have to get rid of the mobile, not only the SIM card. Having said that I doubt that you will get in problems other than having your WeChat blocked if you write something inappropriate.

Personally I think life is too short to think of ways to hide from big brother anywhere in the world. You are not anonymous anywhere on earth. And you always make a footprint somewhere. So live with it.

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are credible reports from regular posters on this thread. RTFF. Detention, often through wechat connections, is an ongoing threat for mongers in Shanghai.

You are naively conflating a broader discussion of an electronic footprint with Chinese LE's reliance on wechat to track those involved with mongering.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2348138]Yes, there are credible reports from regular posters on this thread. RTFF. Detention, often through wechat connections, is an ongoing threat for mongers in Shanghai.

You are naively conflating a broader discussion of an electronic footprint with Chinese LE's reliance on wechat to track those involved with mongering.[/QUOTE]Sorry if I have made you upset, that was not my intention. Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways – incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years, but I can't recall reading about a normal customer getting because LE checked his WeChat. That was my reason for asking about it.

Well, you know it has happened, so I believe you.

So that is another good reason for giving especially you the advise, that using an alternative SIM card may not help you out if the LE really want to check you.

There are other ways to link your mobile phone to a specific WeChat conversation. The IMEI # is an obvious way.

Happy hunting, stay safe and good luck.

Daneinchina.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2347692]I love the food at the Blind Pig. The barbecue sliders are good and the Mac and cheese is great. I would die without the Blind Pig as the Manhattan warmup.[/QUOTE]Another vote for the pig. I've had a lot of smoked BBQ and they do pretty well far from home. Has the vibe changed? Yes. Do I miss that? Yes. But I do like the warmup.

Steve, hope we get to meet up there someday. Enough with the commercial! Back to the girls.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Yes, a monger I know personally was held for 2 weeks. Part of it was a big bust tied to SNG, a website for shanghai escorts. The madam for SNG had the johns wechats. POPo got the madam's phone. The johns were picked up and Hotel cameras were used as corroborating evidence.

If you don't want to worry about it, that's you. I stay at a nearby hotel. I walk into J's or M's. I pick the girl and walk back. No technology (other than the hotel hallway camera) to trace me.

[QUOTE=SamCan;2348500]Yes, a monger I know personally was held for 2 weeks. Part of it was a big bust tied to SNG, a website for shanghai escorts. The madam for SNG had the johns wechats. POPo got the madam's phone. The johns were picked up and Hotel cameras were used as corroborating evidence.

If you don't want to worry about it, that's you. I stay at a nearby hotel. I walk into J's or M's. I pick the girl and walk back. No technology (other than the hotel hallway camera) to trace me.[/QUOTE]Picking from J's or M's is definitely the most safe way than using escort website, LE can definitely get girls wechat you can get from same site and trace it if he wants.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2347664]

There is a lot of writing about people having been arrested and put to jail. Anybody who can give examples for "normal customers" having faced that. Or is it just rumours?

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]To add to the list of verified arrests. A few years ago, in the Beijing thread, someone posted a news story about a customer walking out of an MP, and LE stopped him and asked him if he got a HJ, and the customer said no, and then LE beat a confession out of him, on the spot. I'm too lazy to hunt down the post, so maybe you will trust my memory.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2348495]Sorry if I have made you upset, that was not my intention. Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years, but I can't recall reading about a normal customer getting because LE checked his WeChat. That was my reason for asking about it.

Well, you know it has happened, so I believe you.

So that is another good reason for giving especially you the advise, that using an alternative SIM card may not help you out if the LE really want to check you.

There are other ways to link your mobile phone to a specific WeChat conversation. The IMEI # is an obvious way.

Happy hunting, stay safe and good luck.

Daneinchina.[/QUOTE]Dude, you don't upset me, you exasperate me. You've been on the forum for 5 years, using its wealth of information, but have not filed useful reports. Rather than accept that wechat is Chinese LE's main tool to link mongers, you talk about some broader technology concerns that are not specific to China. (I've had one of my own mongering wechats hacked into by LE.). This has to do with the Chinese govt's unique relationship with wechat. Anyway, I don't use separate wechats in the same phone. If Ihad, I would have likely been detained during that hack.

By the way, 2 years ago we had a monger describe here in detail his long detention. Stephen and Rain, along with some associates and clients, have also suffered detentions of varying lengths.

[QUOTE=DaneInChina;2348495]Let me tell you I have been here in Shanghai for +5 years and played the game in many ways incall, outcall, MP, you name it.

I also have been reading this forum (RTFF) for at least 5 years.[/QUOTE]And yet, you’ve almost never posted any useful information. You are the worst kind of member. Just leech off of us, but don't share info.

Met her last week. Wow. Natural see on an 88 pound petite frame. Yes, natural. And she is so small, that they seemed like dee. She's about 152 cm. So I felt like I was with a pleasure toy.

Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?

I've read that spring is only accepted regulars, is this still valid or are they also accepting new customers now?

As I'm not sure if they will identify me as regular as I haven't been quite some time.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=MiSe;2348818]Hello,

Seems like the dry period is over, did anybody in the meantime have any positive reports about a MP with he (ideally in Jing'an but also others like 1565 Huashan Lu)?[/QUOTE]Yesterday I have been to Yu MP in Madang and yes, they offered me the he service. 100 y more then before, that means 496. We are skyrocketing with those prices. BTW the guy said if you buy the member card you can have the old price. Girl was good, both for massage and service. I gave 300 y tip to her for put my hands everywhere. So tip price is the same as before. I went around 9 pm.

Enjoy.