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Plenty of the unemployed girls here now that will do anything for 1000 pesos. Curfew at 8 so if she is there it's for the evening. I know one cheap ass that is getting girls that normally won't talk to him. They know he is very stingy in the rewards department but if you happen to live near some of the girls that don't have to travel trough checkpoints it is definitely a buyers market. For the future who knows but right now if you have a house / apartment / bungalow / or even a tent you can easily find company.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2451113]Plenty of the unemployed girls here now that will do anything for 1000 pesos. Curfew at 8 so if she is there it's for the evening. I know one cheap ass that is getting girls that normally won't talk to him. They know he is very stingy in the rewards department but if you happen to live near some of the girls that don't have to travel trough checkpoints it is definitely a buyers market. For the future who knows but right now if you have a house / apartment / bungalow / or even a tent you can easily find company.[/QUOTE]Awesome idea. I am going to buy a tent next time I am in Manila and set up in Rizal Park. I will save all that hotel money! Breakfast at McDo. Lunch and dinner by Grab. The lineup of 18 year olds will snake through the park and across Roxas Blvd down to the US Embassy, causing traffic to be even worse than it is!

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2450984]would you put cash before lives and further infections [/QUOTE]That is an irrelevant question. The governments of the world have no choice but to end their economic lockdowns or face civil disobedience and or outright rebellion.

But which countries are actually going to open up their borders and allow foreign nationals to enter without the 14 day quarantine is another matter entirely. So for expats living in the PI, Thailand, ect the end of the lockdowns will mean good times ie lots of quality girls at bargain prices. But for punters like myself it is still too soon. I mean who in their right mind is going to fly into the PI or Thailand for a vacation or poontang if it means quarantine first? No one. So foreigners will have to just wait and see which countries decide to open their doors first. But if you ask me when will things get back to pre-Corona normal? I would tell you not until a vaccine or cure is found and widely distributed and maybe not even then. And get ready for this; there is a real possibility that a 90% to 100% effective vaccine is never found. Welcome to the Post Corona era.

But to get back to your original question; the lockdowns are going to end everywhere because they have to. There is no other choice. So take care, keep to social distancing in public places, wash your hands often, don't touch your face and if you are among the elderly or immune deficient isolate yourself as much as possible. We will get past this.

LA Street Art:

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;2450856]Well lets see here, the covid 19 pandemic has cost the world multiple billions of dollars in the few weeks we have known about it and is for sure going to cost multiple billions of dollars more till a cure is found.

Do you honestly think that countries are willing to open up their borders for the small amount of dollars tourism brings in and risk a second pandemic costing further multiple billions of dollars and maybe the collapse of many countries entire economy.

Maybe blue balls is clouding your judgement a touch dear fellow.[/QUOTE]Your math is way off LOL.

Or you misspelled 10's of trillions.

Oh man, it is really sweet to find someone so optimistic. Your trust in rationality is bringing tears to my eyes!

Your analysis would be correct for rational, financial-minded people. And in my experience less than 1 in 4 professional manager in MNC really get things like opportunity cost and pricing on contribution.

So the thing with pros is that for a very long time, in their heads, they will think that they are losing money. If they used to get paid $100 and now they are fucking for $80 because that is the going rate, many of them will consider that you are "stealing" $20 from them. And their service will suffer, buyer beware. This is something I have seen happen (in UAE and Thailand) And his is actually why I broke down my analysis the way I did.

I know you are right from a purely rational perspective but please keep in mind who you are dealing with. People are seldom as rational as we would like to think, and poor uneducated pinays are clearly not a star group!

Once this is over my advise is to stick to semi pros (whom they will see any money as real extra money, 100% gratitude) or girls with no anchoring on old prices.

Leave the seasoned pros to those who do not read this forum!

P.S. Actually, I need to take an exception. Chinese are by far the most pragmatic, business savvy I have seen. You would be totally accurate with them in my experience, but not pinoys, not russians, not thais.

[QUOTE=PilotPaul;2450959]You are right in assessing the market in terms of the professionals, part timers and relationship seekers who accept cash along the way.

Professionals. Will adopt a price that makes it worthwhile. If their pussy in unused then it is better to use it to get some income greater than the marginal cost.

Part timers. It may take time for them to reduce the value of their pussy until they start wanting life's little extra luxuries.

Relationship-seekers. Are those girls hoping to find their dream life in an overseas country. They will take whatever is offered.

Do you best guys.

PP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2451155]That is an irrelevant question. The governments of the world have no choice but to end their economic lockdowns or face civil disobedience and or outright rebellion.

But to get back to your original question; the lockdowns are going to end everywhere because they have to. There is no other choice. So take care, keep to social distancing in public places, wash your hands often, don't touch your face and if you are among the elderly or immune deficient isolate yourself as much as possible. We will get past this.

LA Street Art:[/QUOTE]Lockdowns will end as they have partially in Australia for example and guess what. A spike in infections. Yes the economies must keep working but in the end the deaths will rise so what is the acceptable balance. For the USA seems 90,100+k and counting is OK. For NZ this is not acceptable. For the UK they want to avoid being the worst in Europe. Brazil will the next disaster. In the USA many of the protestors are ferals / bogans / red necks who barely understand the reasons why there is a lock down.

But yes it will come and at a cost. Happy to see a rebellion as IMHO the economy will collapse and sadly millions will die as those feral will be in charge LOL. Teach them a lesson in some respects LOL.

As you said no vaccine means we need be careful and some countries will cautiously allow visitors (but some are already looking to ban f those from USA UK and some European countries) or have a 14 day quarantine both in the visiting country and return country. So you spend 4 weeks effectively in quarantine. Where has your shagging holiday disappeared to LOL.

But many people won't wash hands often, will go bars and noisy places where there are more droplets, won't distance themselves and want to see lola / lolo in the nursing home. So behaviours by many won't change despite what many are going through. Is human nature and the only way to learn the new rules maybe is to catch COVID 9 and then you may wish you listened more carefully.

Some information regarding what I am seeing here during lockdown. There has been discussion on the board about what the girls (or their families) have, or are receiving. Lockdown here is approaching 8-9 weeks. My perspective is from a provincial city of several hundred thousand inhabitants, and is nowhere near the 3 big cities. The lockdown situation here allows relatively easy daytime movement (curfew continues). This information is from 4 different barangay. I have friends (and long-time regular girls) in at least 1 compound in 3 of these brgy, and I have a newer girl in the 4th. Also discussing with front desk staff, tryke drivers, etc. Have been asking about what the government is providing in the way of foods and cash, and who is working at this point and in what kind of jobs. Rundown:

Brgy 4: For each family, first delivery 1 kg rice, 2 cans beef loaf, 3 cans sardines, 5 packets noodles. Second delivery was 5 kg rice, 2 cans beef loaf, 3 cans sardines, 5 packets noodles. That last was a few weeks ago, no new delivery and no guestimate on time frame from the brgy. They were pretty unhappy until SAP and other cash, which has now run out.

Brgy 6: For each family, 5 kg rice, delivered 3 times now. No canned meat or fish or noodles. I know the Captain in this Brgy and he confirmed that, saying he can sustain this for some time to come, however its been several weeks since a delivery. SAP monies from a week ago have been spent.

Brgy 27: For each family, first delivery was 2 kg rice, 2 cans sardines, 2 packets noodles. Second delivery 3 kg rice, 4 cans sardines, 6 packets noodles. Third delivery 5 kg rice, 8 cans sardines, 8 packets noodles. No word to the locals as to when the next delivery will be each time, deliveries seem random. SAP has been spent. Interestingly a foreigner showed up one day in this Brgy with bags of rice (2 kg), enough for 1 bag to each family. The Brgy tanod guys insisted on helping to pass it out. Nice, fella.

Brgy 19. For each family, first delivery was 3 kg rice, 2 cans meat and 3 packs noodles. Second delivery was 5 kg rice, 11 cans meat, 5 packs noodles. Waiting another delivery. This Brgy was in the last group to receive SAP, which was quickly spent.

Regarding cash. SAP monies distributed a week ago over several nights (have not talked to any family who did not receive the full P6 k). Locals told me that there are conditional requirements to receive the SAP, such as: Low-income qualification, and no OFW in the family. Another program that provides sporadic money to those families with kids in school (before and during lockdown) is ongoing.

Regarding work and income. Another gent on the board, Napa I think, mentioned his furloughed employees receiving salary. Good guy NS. Can not find anyone here who knows of anyone who is lucky enough to be in that boat. Almost everyone in all 4 of those brgy is out of work, there is no income when not working. Many of them who (previously) went outside the brgy for work are construction guys (no pay while off work). Two girls and one guy in brgy 27 I know are employed working in malls, in kiosks making and selling food for vendors you've seen before; they are not receiving any salary while the malls are closed. Someone also mentioned they grow vegetables, but I don't know of any patch of ground being used for a garden in any of those brgy (they are densely populated places). OTOH, there are plenty of chickens running about, and the occasional pig. Others have turned to working inside the brgy: One lady previously had a biz selling food in her compound for breakfast as students and trabajadoros going to school or work, but that petered out when everyone stopped schooling or lost work and had no money. She shifted gears and started making masks and sells them on the outside to a wholesaler who sells them in a market. She is pleased with the progress.

Malls recently re-opened, partially. Department and clothing stores, and a handful of restaurants for takeout. They have just a handful of employees inside (as few as one employee that is visible; a Starbucks has just 2 employees, one stands outside to take orders, then walks them inside one order at a time and hands it to the second employee, who makes the drink while the first girl goes outside to take another order). And while the mall is open, only a handful of customers are ambling about not buying anything (unlike the interior grocery store which has lines of customers socially spaced). Guessing that's because few folk are working and receiving a sweldo, thus preventing a trip to the mall.

In an unscientific survey, I asked in brgy #4, #6 and #27, the following questions (also tryke drivers): 1) Before the lockdown, of all the people in your brgy employed outside the brgy (malls, stores construction, habal drivers, and other, etc), what percent lost their jobs during the lockdown? Guestimates ran 70% to "All sir". 2) Are any of those newly unemployed getting any sweldo or other benefit? This was met with guffaws and "No. There's no more driving the habal sir, because the Mayor's decree. Who will pay that guy if no customer?" Some habal drivers became fast-food delivery guys. And: "All construction stopped. No sweldo".

Since my highly-unqualified survey, I have recently noticed quite a number of times 2 people on motorcycles, which means the habal biz will be back operating soon here.

On another note, I heard people in every corner of town say something interesting: "Hope they go to Enhanced Quarantine. Then they have to give foods to all. They won't do it because they can not afford it".

On a last note, based on my highly-unscientific survey of the several Brgy, its clear that each Brgy is spending very different amounts of money per family, which leads the locals to suspect that their Brgy office is corrupt. The people in Brgy 27 live across the street from Brgy 29, they easily compare handouts.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2450217]What banter ED. There 'banter' is based on years of living the country and is useful for newbies who care to really understand issues etc. Now CM and ED 'banter' is purile, childish, meaningless drivel mostly.

As Beavis said stop being jealous, drive you train in the outback and as Beavis quoted.

'That old guy with the young Filipina has been through more shit than you can even imagine and if you have a problem with it then maybe you should find another hobby. This board has been to help fellow mongers not to be a judgmental platform where a few people decide what is best for everybody. We have all travelled and we have all been laid. Lets get back to that and stop worrying about what someone else is doing.'[/QUOTE]You just to have accept reality. No one is travelling anywhere for the next 2 years, especially not to Flipsville. Governments in rich countries aren't just going to let their people travel to shit hole countries and risk further destroying their home economies upon the return of the old monger. The closest geriatrics on this board are ever going to get to LBFMs is through firing up their cum stained lap tops and watching reruns of Trike Patrol. To add to the excitement, some mongers who are into S & M might politely ask their moms to tie for them their favourite pink mouth gag ball.

In RWML, those who still have jobs and an income, have plenty of options. No need for travel.

I have noticed Requests for money picking up. Usually more in the form of please help and I will send photos or videos. I did help one girl with a small amount and just said she can pay back in services if I return. If anyone needs some picks or videos I'm happy to give numbers and you can make your own arrangements. I have a couple of girls that send me these whether I want them or not!

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2451591]On a last note, based on my highly-unscientific survey of the several Brgy, its clear that each Brgy is spending very different amounts of money per family, which leads the locals to suspect that their Brgy office is corrupt. The people in Brgy 27 live across the street from Brgy 29, they easily compare handouts.[/QUOTE]Nice FR Westie.

Your last sentence is very true based on my unscientific survey with my friends etc. The OFW is a problem as they say as family has an OFW in their ranks they are rich thus no hand out. But not so as the OFW has no job, huge debts and can't send cash home. This is a cause of frustration for many I know.

As for Brgy officials being corrupt. Nothing new after all (we both know this). All those I spoke with say the same, some were even getting half of the SAP they were supposed to (some have now filed complaints and contacted Manila / President office to complain there is a PHP 30 k reward for each person who can prove corrupt Brgy officials. So far I read 183 cases! Some we getting 25% ! This does not surprise me.

Such is this country where pinoy will dump and s**t on pinoy easily. I know in some cities (Davao) it is better but am sure in the provinces there is a lot more corruption etc.

Have fun in lockdown (but no plum photos LOL).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2451592]You just to have accept reality. No one is travelling anywhere for the next 2 years, especially not to Flipsville. [/QUOTE]Pop quiz:

If a monger swims from RWML at 2 mph and a bar girl catches a trike from home at 25 mph when will they meet?

Bonus points for calculating the hotel where the deal is consumated.

G.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2451592]You just to have accept reality. No one is travelling anywhere for the next 2 years, especially not to Flipsville. Governments in rich countries aren't just going to let their people travel to shit hole countries and risk further destroying their home economies upon the return of the old monger. The closest geriatrics on this board are ever going to get to LBFMs is through firing up their cum stained lap tops and watching reruns of Trike Patrol. To add to the excitement, some mongers who are into S & M might politely ask their moms to tie for them their favourite pink mouth gag ball.

In RWML, those who still have jobs and an income, have plenty of options. No need for travel.[/QUOTE]Harboring false hope of a swift return to the relentless pursuit of bareback cum-in-pussy with LBFMs will only lead to greater despair for sex tourists. Their hobby is just not that important to governments and mainstream society. In fact, some may see this as an opportunity to stamp out sex tourism where many do-gooder NGOs failed in the past. A simple two-week quarantine will eliminate any possibility of a visit to Flipsville for BBFSCIP for the majority of habitual sex tourists from Australia, Europe, and North America.

Furthermore, the viral pandemic wiped out the hotel and airline infrastructure that made cheap long-haul visits to Flipsville for bargain BBFSCIP possible. The future costs to arrive in Flipsville and consume the services of LBFMs will be cost prohibitive on a per unit basis for most mongers.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;2451232]Lockdowns will end as they have partially in Australia for example and guess what. A spike in infections. Yes the economies must keep working but in the end the deaths will rise so what is the acceptable balance. [/QUOTE]Governments realise that it will be impossible to completely eradicate the virus. The best they can hope for is to minimise it to a level the existing health system can cope with.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2451721]Harboring false hope of a swift return to the relentless pursuit of bareback cum-in-pussy with LBFMs will only lead to greater despair for sex tourists. Their hobby is just not that important to governments and mainstream society. In fact, some may see this as an opportunity to stamp out sex tourism where many do-gooder NGOs failed in the past. A simple two-week quarantine will eliminate any possibility of a visit to Flipsville for BBFSCIP for the majority of habitual sex tourists from Australia, Europe, and North America.

Furthermore, the viral pandemic wiped out the hotel and airline infrastructure that made cheap long-haul visits to Flipsville for bargain BBFSCIP possible. The future costs to arrive in Flipsville and consume the services of LBFMs will be cost prohibitive on a per unit basis for most mongers.[/QUOTE]It is not a false hope. For many countries opening the country to allow people not necessarily mongers but businessmen, gamblers, tourists etc. Otherwise economy will collapse. All the countries economies are intertwined. You can count on your fingers countries which can support their economies without outside help. Even a hermit country like North Korea is dependent wholly on China. There is no way they can block Chinese businessmen coming.

For Philippines OFW income, business with China, USA and other countries is very important. Mongering income is negligible as for government. It only helps girls, restaurants, hotels in Angeles city. It is mostly cash economy and hardly any tax is paid to government.

Even with the uncertainties of the risk all are gearing up to get back to pre covid era. It will be done before economy is wrecked beyond repair irrespective of the human cost. In spite of all the relaxation and flights it is anybody's guess if people take the risk and do all the things like before.

Yes, it is true BBFSCIP is exclusively available in Philippines without much effort. Very few other countries it is possible these days. Even mongers are likely to stay away for a while.

My view for some time now has been that a lot of people are catching Covid at least here in the big cities such as Cebu but that the vast majority of cases are asymptomatic. Cebu City Mayor essentially confirmed that today saying that they are finding 95% asymptomatic and a true Case Fatality rate of around 0. 1% in Cebu. The major reason is likely to be the very low number of elderly here 5% over 65 CF 16% US, 18% in UK and 23% in Italy. If you look at the 75 yr+ age group where the casualty rates start to get quite high the disparity is even greater.

IMHO Vitamin the deficiency is also an important factor in this disease which is what has been found in Indonesia, which seems to be the only country that has bothered to take the Vit the data. Of course back in Europe and the US people have been scratching their heads as to why so many of those with dark skins are dieing and resolutely ignoring the Vit the deficiency factor (because dark skins are slow at absorbing / metabolizing Vit the as they are optimised fro sunnier climes.

If the Cebu data is verified. And they are talking about completing a 50 k person test in the next few days, it will put tremendous pressure to lift the lock downs.