East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=TheGuy;2350251]At this point, it's just less work and worry to seduce ordinary Shanghai girls. So for the most.part, I'm now out.[/QUOTE]Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350105]If you do the mongering stay-cation, let me know the hotel especially, and how it went with it. I used to stay in the 268 Motel (I think it's a Ji Hotel now) near People's Square. But it is so small, and so I became a familiar face quickly. So I started using larger hotels, such as Highton. Sometimes I'll splurge and use a 5-star hotel. Most recently, I've been using Longmont. [/QUOTE]That's fantastic! Thank you for sharing this! You opened a new world to me. Thank you also for the hotel names, I will share if I find any good one too. Actually now should be a low season for Shanghai, so it should be the right time for getting good hotels.

This morning I was talking with a friend who is just back from Thailand. He said there is paradise. Believe it or not, those few times I have been there, I was not able to test the offer there. I hope one day I have the opportunity.

Yesterday in a moment of sadness I have decided to go back again to the MP in Madang. Yu massage now. Well, same thing at the entrance, that is 496 for the body treatment. Luck, or not, I have got the same girl of the other day who, BTW, is not that bad. Good massage and good ending style. She also gave me a discount, if I can call it like that, and she accepted a 200 kuai tip this time. So 100 less than the first time. So looked like a better situation respect last time.

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.

Sincerely I did not liked that question. May be I am too suspicious, but I think they will not see me for sometime.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350262]Hi Guy,

You mean get a real GF, hook up with girls at the bar, flirt with waitresses, etc? Good luck, man. But for me, I don't want to go that route because of the drama that always follows. And I find that they are oftentimes more expensive, haha. You ever try getting the MP gals' WeChats? Many of these girls live in crappy apartments, and are willing to meet you at their place for FS before their shifts start. Given that you know where they work, it seems safe, and is therefore another viable option. This is how I mainly survived the recent crackdown. By meeting MP gals at their homes.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's more or less it. Right, we pay for sex in order to say bye with no drama. Problem is, mongering getting so pricy and complicated that I find it easier to pursue ordinary girls. I do meet ups for Chinese wanting to improve English, then try to meet privately. Of course, Chinese birds want to believe sex was an unplanned accident so have to play along with the farce.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2350369]

But, something strange happened: before to exit the building at the cashier desk, right after I have paid, I have got the guy at the entrance asking me if I have tipped the girl. I answered I cannot remember and left.[/QUOTE]I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls aren’t allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didn’t tip; he wasn’t making sure that you did tip.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2350568]I texted my regular girl there just now. She said girls arent allowed to receive tips. I guess the 496 price is supposed to include HJ? Anyway, that guy was making sure that you didnt tip; he wasnt making sure that you did tip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?

Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Recently I have been rather inactive since my favorite providers have (temporarily?) left town and my new contacts proved just ok during the height of the crackdown (June 4th). But I checked the local website and just added around 10 girls for future play (will be out of town next month). Here some examples:

[URL]http://www.aishxs.org/forum-52-1.html[/URL]

Now, this way of mongering requires familiarity with Shanghai and some Chinese skills is definitely helpful, but it can be done and be lots of fun. But you need to invest some time to find the gems, especially if you go for the lower priced girls. See also my earlier reports on some QQ/WC operational issues.

One thing to keep in mind is that the photos are ALWAYS heavily beautified and you can meet a 'different' girl when she opens her door and hopefully pussy for you LOL!

One crazy experience: went to see a new girl and after she saw that I am foreign (always try to keep that hidden when making the booking since the girls are afraid of 'size') she said that she first had to do a 'dick test' to see if I was not too 'big' LOL. While we were standing in the apartment (dressed) she then pulled my shorts and started to stroke little bro who quickly became rock hard due to many days of neglect. When she saw that my little companion was not of the dreaded size, she still wondered if she would service me. But money talks and she demanded payment upfront. Since I have learned over the years to never pay upfront I left the place, also due to her overall attitude and looks. I then quickly traveled to another part of town to see another girl who provided much needed relief.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2350868]Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.

Would like to hear experiences of other members.[/QUOTE]I've done incalls to indies a bunch of times, both in Beijing and Shanghai. The main problem for many of us is that these girls mostly live in low-end complexes and so we (especially foreigners) stick out like a sore thumb as we walk around the complex looking for the right building (one time I was turned away by security, another time the guard yelled something at me and I just yelled some gibberish back and ignored him, and another time a guard just simply asked me my nationality (he said: nali ren? But yeah, I admit almost all guards do not care at all, but you also get the other residents staring at you, and finally, dick size is only half the reason why the girls are afraid of foreigners, the other more important reason is that they don't want their neighbors to see a white, black, or brown guy walking into their apartment, so you may get turned away by them. Incidentally, I didn't realize these girls move around a lot. That actually scares me even more. I used to think it was safe because I knew where they lived. Now that I know that they are mobile, that makes them less appealing to me. It means I could get beaten up by their guy friends and they can then disappear. Finally, I heard from someone who tried this and he said none was worth repeating with. I guess it would be fun if I had plenty of time during the day or evening, but I don't. Nonetheless, it's good that you reminded us of this option. It's not for me, just like J and M is not for me, but I'm sure it's helpful to others.

[QUOTE=MaxyBBJ;2350777]Thanks for the information. That's a very good hint. Luckily I have not given an answer. I know what to say next time now. "Sorry buddy, I do not tip girls. Should I?[/QUOTE]Just say nothing. People ask me stuff as I'm leaving all the time, and I just ignore them.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;2350868]Gents, we are all trying to cope with the crackdown and have to pay more for less and face increased risks as bonus. Reading members' reports on MPs, I just wonder why not see QQ girls. I know this is not as easy as going to an MP, but has many advantages in the current situation: 1. Almost all girls provide FS, 2. No price haggling and inflated costs (most girls ask 500-600, a few even 400), 3. Relative safety since they operate out of their homes and move around a lot and 4. Variety of girls.
[/QUOTE]Hi! I have tried a couple of these girls too in these last months and I was lucky having a good experience. I decided to go for higher cost ones, one was 700 the other 1000 because I understood they live in compounds with foreigners too. That was the case for the 1000 but not for the 700 one. I went during the day in this last one and wearing a pair of sunglasess when going in. Nobody stopped me.

Not very happy of the apartments because they are a bit dirty and old, especially the bathrooms. And the best is when you have to dry from the shower: you can get a used towel by "who knows who used it" or a bunch of paper napkins that leaves you all the pieces of paper on you body. I hate that.

By the way both times I had fun, and the ladies were both very nice, pretty and I would say with good skills. I did not know they change apartment often. That's a surprise for me too.

Thanks for the detailed information!

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2349680]As a foreigner, I've never been allowed to book a Hanting Hotel. And I don't think foreigners are allowed the hourly access and rates anyway. However, there are plenty of other cheap hotels (such as Ji Hotel, 268 Motel, Ibis Hotel) that go for about 200-300 rmb for overnight stay. Surprisingly, the Highton Hotel next to the Hilton Hotel has an overnight rate of about 330, and it's a pretty good hotel, but the location sux because it's almost in the middle of nowhere. Finally, I wouldn't try asking the girls to book the ST hotel. These days, girls do not want to do it, because they do not want a bunch of ST hotel bookings on "their permanent record" and it's not 100% easy for us to sneak into these hotels because they are very small hotels. One time, when I snuck into one, the front desk called the room and asked me to register. (I guess they had nothing better to do than to watch their security cameras.) I said I did not have ID, and then they asked for a bribe. So, I just took off. Another time, I was simply stopped from entering (the person asked me for my room key, and I didn't have one, and then he asked me which room I was going to and I didn't reply, and so he told me to go away). What I do these days is book a 4 star hotel for several days that goes for around 300-500, and then I meet a couple of girls each day. I never sleep there. I do this maybe about once a month or once every two months. It's a mongering stay-cation, LOL.[/QUOTE]I am living in China for more than 15 years, you are taking a lot of risk just for having some sex. The hotels need a special licence to accept foreigners. Booking a room and not sleeping there is at high risk for me. Small advice better you find some girl friends and having fun in a more restricted circle, you never know what can happen.

Traveling in a few weeks. Seems that J and be are back in business. My little hottie from HCMC, who stayed with me in my hotel during the troubles, she is there and waiting. Usually when I get from the airport, she will be at my hotel within the hour and for there will not be much conversation when we meet again. She works at J, but indicated on wechat that business was not good, from her perspective. Probably the places are loaded with Vietnamese ladies and, she is in her 30's, the younger ones get pole position. We will meet about 3 times, have dinner and go to a show, or football, nice to have her company. Getting very familiar now, she even wants it without condom and managed to keep me hard without blue pill. Her visa expires, so probably the last encounter.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2351191]I am living in China for more than 15 years, you are taking a lot of risk just for having some sex. The hotels need a special licence to accept foreigners. Booking a room and not sleeping there is at high risk for me. Small advice better you find some girl friends and having fun in a more restricted circle, you never know what can happen.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2351279]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, it is better you book the 4/5 star hotel, then let they come in because your are entitled to stay there legally. Not the other way aroound.

Jb.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;2351296]In my opinion, it is better you book the 4/5 star hotel, then let they come in because your are entitled to stay there legally. Not the other way aroound.

Jb.[/QUOTE]Agree. Book a room yourself. I book 5 stars with a large lobby. No one would even pay attention when I walk in with a lady. Having said that, I do think (but I do not always think with the right tool) that it is not worth the hustle any more unless the whole thing provides additional thrill to you. Catch me if you can?

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2351279]Thanks for this useful insight. I have a question. In your opinion, which of the following is safest? (A) Girl books room in 4/5 star hotel and I sneak into it. (B) I book room in 4/5 star hotel and she sneaks into it. (C) We each book a room, but only use hers. So neither one of us is sneaking into hotel, but my room is unused.

I've done all 3, but I'm always a little nervous regardless of which option I use.

Thanks, man.[/QUOTE]But does it not raise suspicion if a foreign resident of Shanghai books a 4/5 hotel (expensive) in his own city of residence, just saying.....