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[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1821102]In addition, Thai inflation and wages have gone way faster than Western wages. 1 k baht ($30) was negligible for a western expat or visitor 10-20 years ago, but 2-3 k ($60-$90), while not outrageous, is real money, especially for something of increasingly dubious and uncertain value like short time encoutners these days.

As for long time, in the old days, it used to cost 1. 5 x to 2 x as much as a short time, and women used to prefer it, especially later in the evening. These days, Thai hookers tend to have several ST clients per night, so most cannot be bothered with LT at all. Even when some could be convinced by paying way over the odds, a proper LT requires more chemistry than a ST, which is increasingly lacking, and I don't care to sleep next to someone who'd rather be elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Very well put, sir!

OK, I am finally fulfilling a dream of mine to come to Bangkok for the first time from the USA And have questions about the travel. Especially since this is my first time traveling internationally. Hopefully someone can give me a few tips. I will be coming in March 7-12. My flight goes from New York to Taipei and then to Bangkok. My main question is what do I do once we land in Taipei and I get off the plane. Do I have to go through customs / immigration while I do my 3 HR layover? Or is that only for when I am at my final stop in Bangkok? What about prescribed medications? Is there special paperwork I need or will the information on the bottles be enough? I have already read a lot of the forums concerning prepaid phones and taxis. However, I couldn't find anything talking about the other questions I had. Possibly the answers are already in other forums here and I am not using the correct keywords to search by.

Thanks for any help / tips!

Since I'll be a newbie coming into Bangkok in March, question about about different bars. I don't drink alcohol. I have tried on different occasions from beer to champagne but never acquired the taste of it. Do these bars offer non-alcoholic drinks or will I just have to buy one or two that I nurse until I spot someone I might want to take back to my room for a bit?

[QUOTE=AkashMal;1821152]I will be soon traveling to Bangkok and would like to know if there is any limit of cash in dollars we can carry at immigration?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hello,

Thailand has a limit of US $20,000 which has to be declared at customs.

TheTank

[QUOTE=AkashMal;1821152]I will be soon traveling to Bangkok and would like to know if there is any limit of cash in dollars we can carry at immigration?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I researched this question carefully before going to Thailand. The bottom line is that you don't have to worry about how much cash (foreign or baht) you're taking in, although you will need to declare any amount equivalent to $20,000 American dollars or above. The real question relates to how much money you can take out. You can take out as much foreign currency as you would like, but there are limits on how much baht may be taken out of the country. If you're going to a bordering country (plus Vietnam), then you can take out 500,000 baht. Any place else, including the USA, and you are limited to 50,000 baht. Here are the complete rules taken from the Bank of Thailand's website:

Exchange Control Regulations in Thainland.

A Guide for the General Public.

I. Exchange Control Regulations.

A. Rules and Regulations.

The legal basis for exchange control in Thailand is derived from the Exchange Control Act (B. E. 2485) and Ministerial Regulation No. 13 (B. E. 2497) issued under the Exchange Control Act. These laws set out the principles of controls under which Notifications of the Ministry of Finance and Notices of the Competent Officer are issued.

B. Administration.

The Bank of Thailand has been entrusted by the Ministry of Finance with the responsibility of administering foreign exchange. The governor of the Bank of Thailand shall appoint the officials of the Bank of Thailand as the Competent Officers under the Exchange Control Act (B. E. 2485).

All foreign exchange transactions are to be conducted through commercial banks and through authorized non-banks, namely authorized money changers, authorized money transfer agents, and authorized companies, that are granted foreign exchange licenses by the Minister of Finance. Any transactions not conducted through the above-mentioned licensees require approval from the Competent Officer on a case by case basis.

C. Currency Regulations.

1. Foreign Currency.

Foreign currencies can be transferred or brought into Thailand without limit. Any person receiving foreign currencies from abroad is required to repatriate such funds immediately and sell to an authorized bank or deposit them in a foreign currency account with an authorized bank within 360 days of receipt, except for foreigners temporarily staying in Thailand for not more than three months, foreign embassies, international organizations including their staff with diplomatic privileges and immunities, and Thai emigrants who are permanent residents abroad or working abroad.

Purchase of foreign currency from authorized banks is generally allowed upon submission of documents indicating international trade and investment. Companies in Thailand can engage in derivatives transactions with authorized banks to hedge against foreign exchange risk provided that supporting documents indicating future foreign currency receipts or obligations are submitted.

Any person bringing into or taking out of Thailand foreign currency bank notes in an aggregate amount exceeding USD 20,000 or its equivalent must declare to a customs officer.

2. Local Currency.

There is no restriction on the amount of Thai baht bank notes that may be brought into the country. A person traveling to Thailand's bordering countries including Vietnam is allowed to take out up to THB 500,000 and to other countries up to THB 50,000, respectively, without authorization.

II. Bank deposits.

A. Foreign Currency Account of Thai Residents.

Thai residents are allowed to maintain foreign currency accounts with authorized banks, and deposit or withdraw funds from such accounts under the following conditions:

1. Deposit.

(1) Foreign currencies originating from abroad (foreign-source) can be deposited into foreign currency accounts without limit.

(2) Foreign currencies purchased or borrowed from authorized banks (domestic-source) can be deposited into 2 types of foreign currency accounts:

(I) Foreign currency accounts with future obligations: deposits can be made in an amount not exceeding future obligations to pay in foreign currencies to entities abroad. The total outstanding balance shall not exceed USD 1 million for a natural person and USD 100 million for a juristic person. For amount exceeding such limits, authorized banks may accept such a deposit up to the obligations to pay in foreign currencies abroad within 12 months. Such obligations include loan repayment to authorized banks.

(II) Foreign currency accounts without future obligations: the total outstanding balance shall not exceed USD 500,000 for both a natural person and a juristic person.

(3) Deposit of foreign currency notes and coins must not exceed USD 10,000 per person per day.

2. Withdrawal.

(1) For payment to entities abroad of the account holder's own obligations or its subsidiaries' obligations.

(2) For payment to authorized banks of the account holder's own foreign currency liabilities or its subsidiaries' foreign currency liabilities.

(3) For deposit into another foreign currency account of the same account holder.

(4) For conversion into another foreign currency, prior to depositing into another foreign currency account of the same account holder, or for payment to an entity abroad, or for payment of liabilities to an authorized bank.

(5) For conversion into baht.

Thai companies having export proceeds in foreign currency from overseas are allowed to transfer funds from their foreign-source foreign currency accounts to deposit into foreign currency accounts of their counter parties in Thailand for payment of goods or services.

Be. Foreign Currency Account of Nonresidents.

Nonresidents may maintain foreign currency accounts with authorized banks in Thailand without limit. The accounts can be freely credited with funds originating from abroad. Payments from Thai residents or borrowing from authorized banks can be deposited subject to supporting evidences. Balances on such accounts may be freely withdrawn.

See. Nonresident Baht Account.

Nonresidents may open Thai Baht accounts with authorized banks in Thailand as follows:

(1) Non-resident Baht Account for Securities (NRBS): The account may be debited or credited for the purpose of investment in securities and other financial instruments such as equity instruments, debt instruments, unit trusts, derivatives transactions traded on the Thailand Futures Exchange and the Agricultural Futures Exchange of Thailand.

(2) Non-resident Baht Account (NRBA): The account may be debited or credited for general purposes (I. E. Other than investment in securities) such as trade, services, foreign direct investment, investment in immovable assets, and loans.

The total daily outstanding balances for each type of account shall not exceed THB 300 million per nonresident. Transfers between different types of accounts are not allowed.

III. Trade and Services.

A. Exports.

Export proceeds in an amount equivalent to USD 50,000 or above shall be repatriated immediately after payment is received and within 360 days from the export date. The proceeds must be sold to or deposited in a foreign currency account with an authorized bank in Thailand within 360 days of receipt.

B. Imports.

Importers may purchase or withdraw foreign currencies from their own foreign currency accounts for import payments upon submission of supporting documents. Letters of credits may also be opened without authorization.

C. Services.

All proceeds from services in an amount equivalent to USD 50,000 or above shall be repatriated immediately after payment is received and within 360 days from the transaction date. The proceeds must be sold to or deposited in a foreign currency account with an authorized bank in Thailand within 360 days of receipt.

Outward remittances of amounts properly due to nonresidents are permitted for items of a non-capital nature such as service fees, interest, dividends, profits, or royalties provided that supporting documents are submitted to an authorized bank. Traveling expenses or educational expenses of residents are also freely permitted upon submission of supporting documents.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1821202]I do not think any country really has a limit. You just have to declare if you are carrying over a certain amount.[/QUOTE]And the amount is 10,000 US $.

[QUOTE=MickyMouse;1820937]I have 2 clients coming over for a week to Bangkok and they want Middle Eastern and Indian girls. Any suggestions?

Thanks guys.

Happy 2016 and safe mongering.[/QUOTE]Difficult to find those in high end clubs or massage joints, where I believe you have to bring your customers.

I doubt that you can pick up a hooker from the street for them.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1821247]And the amount is 10,000 US $.[/QUOTE]The amount you need to declare depends on the country. For the US it's $10,000, but for Thailand I believe it's $20,000 based on what I found on the Bank of Thailand site (see my previous post in this thread). Unless they happened to change the rules. Doesn't impact me either way because I never travel with enough cash to cross either limit. I did make sure, though, that on the way out I had less than 50,000 baht on me. I would easily have that much cash when traveling and absolutely didn't want any problems or extra questions coming my way from Thai authorities as I departed for home, perhaps suspecting that I was moving ill-gotten gains or something. No drama Obama here! That's how I like it when it comes to customs and immigration matters. No drama!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1820299]At one time in the past a soldier tried to stop me going from Arrivals level up to Departures. He claimed Farangs had been reported trying to con people at the airport in some way, or steal luggage or some other bullshit. Hard to believe and hard to see relevance on movement between levels. I had to meet someone on Departures so I merely found another way to get there (the lift). Yes I believe there are no restrictions from going from Departures level to Arrivals. Up to taxi whether he wants to deliver to Arrivals level directly or not.[/QUOTE]There is a guard at the ramp down to arrivals who stops taxis from going down to arrival. Probably some other way from hotel driveway or something.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1821224]OK, I am finally fulfilling a dream of mine to come to Bangkok for the first time from the USA And have questions about the travel. Especially since this is my first time traveling internationally. Hopefully someone can give me a few tips. I will be coming in March 7-12. My flight goes from New York to Taipei and then to Bangkok. My main question is what do I do once we land in Taipei and I get off the plane. Do I have to go through customs / immigration while I do my 3 HR layover? Or is that only for when I am at my final stop in Bangkok? What about prescribed medications? Is there special paperwork I need or will the information on the bottles be enough? I have already read a lot of the forums concerning prepaid phones and taxis. However, I couldn't find anything talking about the other questions I had. Possibly the answers are already in other forums here and I am not using the correct keywords to search by.

Thanks for any help / tips![/QUOTE]1. You will be in transit in Taipei. So you won't be going out, but may change gates.

2. In BKK you will be clearing immigration and then collect your bags and go through customs.

3. Have your prescription with you for the medication. Customs may ask you if they want to check your bags. Normally you would go through the green channel if you have nothing to declare. But Customs have a right to check you.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1821224]OK, I am finally fulfilling a dream of mine to come to Bangkok for the first time from the USA And have questions about the travel. Especially since this is my first time traveling internationally. Hopefully someone can give me a few tips. I will be coming in March 7-12. My flight goes from New York to Taipei and then to Bangkok. My main question is what do I do once we land in Taipei and I get off the plane. Do I have to go through customs / immigration while I do my 3 HR layover? Or is that only for when I am at my final stop in Bangkok? What about prescribed medications? Is there special paperwork I need or will the information on the bottles be enough? I have already read a lot of the forums concerning prepaid phones and taxis. However, I couldn't find anything talking about the other questions I had. Possibly the answers are already in other forums here and I am not using the correct keywords to search by.

Thanks for any help / tips![/QUOTE]I will just miss you as I will be in Thailand March 18th until March 27th. I have never connected in Taipei, but if its like Tokyo and other cities you will go thru security and then to you departing gate for your flight to Bangkok. Are you flying the same airline all the way to Bangkok? Just follow the sign that says international connecting flights. Its either a green or yellow sign.

I always take prescription meds with me and have never had a problem. Just make sure your name is on the bottle. In all my trips to Asia I have never been searched entering a country.

You can buy a GSM unlocked quad band cell phone on ebay for under $100 that will work great. I have the Blu advance 4. 0 that works great.

When you arrive in Bangkok and once they stamp your passport, baggage claim is right there along with exchange booths if you need some thai baht to get you to your hotel. You will get a better rate in the city center. Exit out of door B and off to your right will be a True sim card booth. Give them your phone and they will set it up for you. It should be 299 baht for 1 week of service including calls to the USA.

I hope you have a great trip. This time I'm connecting thru Singapore and spending my time in Phuket Thailand.

Good Luck!!

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1821224]OK, I am finally fulfilling a dream of mine to come to Bangkok for the first time from the USA And have questions about the travel. Especially since this is my first time traveling internationally. Hopefully someone can give me a few tips. I will be coming in March 7-12. My flight goes from New York to Taipei and then to Bangkok. My main question is what do I do once we land in Taipei and I get off the plane. Do I have to go through customs / immigration while I do my 3 HR layover? Or is that only for when I am at my final stop in Bangkok? What about prescribed medications? Is there special paperwork I need or will the information on the bottles be enough? I have already read a lot of the forums concerning prepaid phones and taxis. However, I couldn't find anything talking about the other questions I had. Possibly the answers are already in other forums here and I am not using the correct keywords to search by.

Thanks for any help / tips![/QUOTE]V.

S.

Sounds like you might be using Eva Air through Taipei to Bangkok? Years ago I stop using any Airline that goes through Japan, the crowds and the security lines to catch connecting flight just got too much for me. So for the last eight years I've use Eva since in goes through Taipei. It lacks the crowds and the security lines for my connection. You are basically label ' Transit " you do not need to fill out a Immigration form for Taipei and go through Immigration. If you get to a point you go to a booth and they ask you for a form you have made a mistake if you can turn back. Basically do not go to ' Baggage claim since the bags have already been check all the way to Bangkok. Your baggage receipts should be place on the back of your Passport if you need them. Follow the signs to " Transfer " when you get there you will see a small counter the area should be rope off leading you through the Transfer area through security area. Like in the US, you will need to put your hand carry and stuff through the x-ray. Here I have found the security is much more lacks. You do not need to take your shoes or belt off, Take your watch, metal items coins etc. Into a hand carry compartment and place the bag on the belt. Pull your jacket on the plastic tray and send everything through. Personally I have never taken my laptop out of my hand carry or backpack, I just put the whole thing through. When you are done follow the path to the escalator and go up to the boarding area and look for your Boarding gate to Bangkok. You should have enough time to use Internet which is free in the area and get a bite to eat. Check out the Airline Vip area upstairs from this area, there are more foods vendors like Burger King etc. Outside of the club area. On the flight you will be given a white from TM-6, that form is to go through Immigration. On the form in the area where you are staying just put down one of the Hotel your are staying at. Once you are in Bangkok, follow the sign for "Baggage claim" that will take you to Immigration, go to foreign visitors. Thereafter you are out, go the the baggage area for your flight number. Once you get your bags you look for the exit "Custom nothing to declare" You might get stop pull over to have your bags scan again. What I do is get my bag I slowly walk to the Custom area, passport in hand, but I visually look and slow down before I get there and let people go ahead so they might get pull over first and then I just walk through. If you do get pull over, you do not need to remove your shoes etc.. like before they just want to scan you bags for drugs and excess items you might try to slip in to sell? Once outside there are places to exchange some money for taxi transportation? If you are bring cash bring the best 100 dollar bills where Benjamin face is not mess up and the bill look like new. You get a higher rate for 100 bills.The rate is much lower so change only what you need, the rate should be better when you look around. Do not change money at your hotel it is much lower. If you are taking a taxi go to the next level down and follow the signs to Taxi, tell the person where you need to go, they will give you a slip, to what line. Make sure the guy use the meter do not pay a flat rate! Say meter! Should be something like 400 baht to your hotel in Bangkok, if you are going directly to Pattaya, it should be 1500 Baht including all the tolls. I usually just give the guy a tip of 100 baht if he takes me to Pattaya. P-drugs keep them in original bottles and keep them with you in hang carry.

Good luck rookie enjoy. Now read the rest of the board as to where to go and how much in general you should pay!

[QUOTE=AkashMal;1821152]I will be soon traveling to Bangkok and would like to know if there is any limit of cash in dollars we can carry at immigration?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The IATA website ([URL]http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/TH-Thailand-customs-currency-airport-tax-regulations-details.htm[/URL]) has the following:

[QUOTE]Currency rules - Currency Import regulations:

Local currency: up to THB 50,000.- per person or THB 100,000.- per family holding one passport.

Foreign currencies: unlimited. [b]However, amounts of foreign currency exceeding USD 20,000.- (or equivalent) must be declared to a Customs Officer upon arrival by all travellers[/b].

Currency Export regulations:

Local currency: up to THB 50,000.- per person or THB 100,000.- per family holding one passport.

Foreign currencies: unlimited. However, amounts of foreign currency exceeding USD 20,000.- (or equivalent) must be declared to a Customs Officer upon departure by all travellers.
[/QUOTE]

The Thai Customs website ([url]http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/travellers/arriving+in+thailand/arrivinginthailand[/url]) confirms this:

[QUOTE]
Foreign Currency

Travelers bringing foreign currency more than USD 20,000 or its equivalent into or out of Thailand are required to make a report to Customs. This report is required by the Ministerial Regulation (No. 25) B.E. 2530 issued under the Authority of the Currency Exchange Control Act B.E. 2485 and relevant regulations.

The Regulation and Notification require that travelers bringing foreign currency, both a bank note and a coin, with the total aggregate value exceeding USD 20,000 or its equivalent, must report it to a Customs officer at a port/airport of entry or exit, using the given Foreign Currency Declaration Form. The travelers must complete, sign, and submit the Form to report their foreign currency where such currency are physically carried by a person arriving in or departing from Thailand, or where they form part of the persons baggage and that person and his or her baggage are being carried on board the same conveyance across the border.

A person who reports currency has to answer truthfully any questions that a border services officer asks about the information required for the report.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1821229]Since I'll be a newbie coming into Bangkok in March, question about about different bars. I don't drink alcohol. I have tried on different occasions from beer to champagne but never acquired the taste of it. Do these bars offer non-alcoholic drinks or will I just have to buy one or two that I nurse until I spot someone I might want to take back to my room for a bit?[/QUOTE]I never drink alcohol and nobody will look strange at you if you ask for a "naam soda" (sparkling water) or some other soft drink. Many times even the bargirls congratulated me for not drinking alcohol and then were happy to order a softdrink for themselves as well.

Mind you, the price of a beer or water will be the same and at "happy hour" I have noticed that beer was cheaper than water!

Of course the price for a ladydrink remains the same whether or not it has any alcohol in it. You are not paying for the drink but for the girl's time.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1821224]What about prescribed medications? Is there special paperwork I need or will the information on the bottles be enough?[/QUOTE]It is always a good idea to keep a copy of the original prescription with you when traveling internationally.

Thailand is a signatory or accessory of the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961, the Convention on Psychotropic Substances of 1971, and the United Nations Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances of 1988 and this imposes specific rules on the import of narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances even when properly prescribed by a doctor in your home country.

For Thailand a summary of the rules on legal import of these substances is found at [URL]https://www.incb.org/documents/Psychotropics/guidelines/travel-regulations/2013-travellers-update/THA_23_September_2013_table_ENG_03099.pdf[/URL].

Note that next to the "usual" narcotic drugs, the 1988 convention added such simple things as "ephedrine" to the list of controlled substances. Ephedrine, norephedrine and pseudoephedrine are commonly found in nasal decongestant sprays (in many countries available on prescription only) but are actually amphetamine analogues. Thailand has a long history of amphetamine (ab)use. "Ice" or "yaba" as it is called in Thailand is still very much around in the sex industry, with regular raids and tests in the bars and clubs. So watch out with that nasal spray for your cold!.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1821360]I never drink alcohol and nobody will look strange at you if you ask for a "naam soda" (sparkling water) or some other soft drink. [/QUOTE]I have and they do look at me strange. Eventually I learned that Thai for Soda Water is not "naam soda" but rather just "soda". Otherwise they might think you want a mixture of water and Soda, or are just confused. Strange but true. "naam som" is orange juice because "som" by itself is an orange not a liquid. However Soda has no solid form its already a liquid.

I used "naam soda" incorrectly for years I guess and wondered why I got puzzled looks sometimes, although I often drink Pineapple juice, tomato juice, "naam manao" Lime drink, and Coke Light. "naam lae" means mineral water (probably they don't have it). "naam ut lom" means any sparkling fizzy drink. I am not sure now if Tonic Water is officially "naam Tonic" or just "tonic", even though I drink it occasionally.

I am not a tee-totaler, however as I am a not easy to cum person, alcohol just dulls the senses and makes it even more difficult. I drink after sex but not more than one before sex. I drink with girls if no intention of fucking anyone. I drink almost anything except not beer. Beer really stinks on some guys over doing it. Some girls dislike beer smell. Others drink beer themselves.

A can of Coke light costs me 160 Baht in Crazy House but it lasts me for a while. Girl drinks usually costs me more than my own drinks.

Its useful to buy girls at least two tequilas if they have not already been drinking "yaa dong" from out the front, and if the girl is a shy type. The girl drinks can be used as "leg openers". Some girls can be almost star fish with no alcohol but become quite passionate with just a few drinks in them. Hard to believe but I have seen the transformation myself. May-Lee was a fabulous looker. Rather poor performance the first time, just let me fuck her and that was it, but 2nd time she was quite enthusiastic and enjoyable. I put it down to the drinks loosening up her sexual desires, the 2nd time. Could not think of something else. Very young Go go girls are not naturally really wild in general. Just a few exceptions. Alcohol makes her forget I am not old and average looking. LOL.

On the other hand, never take a really drunk girl. I have had too many bad experiences with dunk girls. So never buy her too many tequilas if you want good sex. Also try to find out how much alcohol she got from other sources.

I am hopelessly addicted to sleek beautiful bare pussy, cute ass, and beautiful natural tits. So I don't mind to buy a few drinks to pay for the entertainment and running the bar. If anyone thinks the bar makes its money from barfines, think again. Selling drinks is the main business. I am very well treated at my regular bars, because I am willing to spend money. Very stingy customers who sit on a drink all night are not desired customers. This is a major cause of racial stereotyping discrimination, I assume. The bars want customers expected to most likely spend some money and behave generally well, treat the girls well, and not cause problems.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1821367]It is always a good idea to keep a copy of the original prescription with you when traveling internationally.
Ephedrine, norephedrine and pseudoephedrine are commonly found in nasal decongestant sprays (in many countries available on prescription only) but are actually amphetamine analogues. Thailand has a long history of amphetamine (ab)use. "Ice" or "yaba" as it is called in Thailand is still very much around in the sex industry, with regular raids and tests in the bars and clubs. So watch out with that nasal spray for your cold!.[/QUOTE]Japan can be very strict in some products as nasal decongestant, even if freely sold in any pharmacy's counter and of innocents brands as Vicks. It all depends on the active product in it.

I noticed lot of bar girls buys, at 7-11 or Family Marts, small bottles of these decongestant to inhalate.

I doubt they all had a flu or breathing problems, so they might find some "relief" by inhalating it.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1821360]I never drink alcohol and nobody will look strange at you if you ask for a "naam soda" (sparkling water) or some other soft drink. Many times even the bargirls congratulated me for not drinking alcohol and then were happy to order a softdrink for themselves as well.

Mind you, the price of a beer or water will be the same and at "happy hour" I have noticed that beer was cheaper than water!

Of course the price for a ladydrink remains the same whether or not it has any alcohol in it. You are not paying for the drink but for the girl's time.[/QUOTE]I too tend to drink water, soda or OJ as I can't drink (and not venue much keen to) too much alcohol.

Never had a problem as long as you keep the drinks flowing for you and the girls. At the end, all what they want is you spending and be it water or soda or juice their revenues are assured. Probably with more margin as nobody compares much the price of a water bottle as people does on a beer or a cocktail.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1821358]The IATA website ([URL]http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/TH-Thailand-customs-currency-airport-tax-regulations-details.htm[/URL]) has the following:



The Thai Customs website ([url]http://www.customs.go.th/wps/wcm/connect/custen/travellers/arriving+in+thailand/arrivinginthailand[/url]) confirms this:[/QUOTE]One has also to check how much he can take out of his own country.

Vietnam has quite a low foreign currency limit when entering.

Better check as they do have a specific customs X-ray machine before passport control when exiting and they can catch you up.

If it exceeds the limit and wasn't declared when entering you are bound for possible trouble.

Play cool, a bit dumb and go by the wind when the officer will ask you how to sort to sort this out.

As you know their salaries are not high and they like tea as in Thailand.

Thanks for all of the information! Everything you mentioned have really helped to relieve the majority of the anxiety I was feeling. Yes, I am using EVA and I have been reading up on everything in the forums that I possibly can. I know I will definitely do it all again in the days right before my flight! Now to make it through these two months!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1821322]V.

S.

Sounds like you might be using Eva Air through Taipei to Bangkok? Years ago I stop using any Airline that goes through Japan, the crowds and the security lines to catch connecting flight just got too much for me. So for the last eight years I've use Eva since in goes through Taipei. It lacks the crowds and the security lines for my connection. You are basically label ' Transit " you do not need to fill out a Immigration form for Taipei and go through Immigration. If you get to a point you go to a booth and they ask you for a form you have made a mistake if you can turn back. Basically do not go to ' Baggage claim since the bags have already been check all the way to Bangkok. Your baggage receipts should be place on the back of your Passport if you need them. Follow the signs to " Transfer " when you get there you will see a small counter the area should be rope off leading you through the Transfer area through security area. Like in the US, you will need to put your hand carry and stuff through the x-ray. Here I have found the security is much more lacks. You do not need to take your shoes or belt off, Take your watch, metal items coins etc. Into a hand carry compartment and place the bag on the belt. Pull your jacket on the plastic tray and send everything through. Personally I have never taken my laptop out of my hand carry or backpack, I just put the whole thing through. When you are done follow the path to the escalator and go up to the boarding area and look for your Boarding gate to Bangkok...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1821542]I too tend to drink water, soda or OJ as I can't drink (and not venue much keen to) too much alcohol.

Never had a problem as long as you keep the drinks flowing for you and the girls. At the end, all what they want is you spending and be it water or soda or juice their revenues are assured. Probably with more margin as nobody compares much the price of a water bottle as people does on a beer or a cocktail.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I knew they had to have something other than alcohol for people to drink but wanted to confirm.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1821360]I never drink alcohol and nobody will look strange at you if you ask for a "naam soda" (sparkling water) or some other soft drink. Many times even the bargirls congratulated me for not drinking alcohol and then were happy to order a softdrink for themselves as well.

Mind you, the price of a beer or water will be the same and at "happy hour" I have noticed that beer was cheaper than water!

Of course the price for a ladydrink remains the same whether or not it has any alcohol in it. You are not paying for the drink but for the girl's time.[/QUOTE]I rarely drink alcohol and sometimes get a goofy reaction to my ordering "nam pow" (some say "nam plow"), bottled water, in the bars. Eye rolling, shaking head, even got a comment about whether I was a man or a lady from the server who took my order. In that case as well as a couple of others, I immediately stood up, told the server to cancel that order and walked out with the server seeming dumbfounded and clamoring after me to please come back. I kept walking. That was Shark go-go bar in Soi Cowboy. On a night when it looked to me they needed as many paying customers as possible.

I have also cancelled and walked out of Crazy House when the server made a show of disapproval over my order of bottled water.

It happened twice in Crazy House. Once was upstairs where the fat waitress actually stood there and refused to move on my order because, "We don't serve nam pow. Men come here to drink alcohol. " No joke. And I am quite a regular customer there, buy plenty of Lady Drinks, have barfined several girls, often repeats, get calls from the girls, begging me to come see them again ASAP.

On that upstairs occasion I told the fat waiteess, "No problem, I know other bars that serve nam pow, bye-bye." I had come there to barfine a girl for the third or fourth time at her urgent request. But that waitress got to me first, I walked out, had a cute girl from a different bar on my arm within the hour. When I Lined my Crazy House lady what happened she was none too pleased and suspect had a few words about it with fatty.

Unlike what has been said here, I probably get as much pressure to buy alcohol rather than water, pineapple juice or Coke Light / Zero from the girls as I get positive comments from them about it. Maybe more. Many girls are adament about getting some beers into me. Perhaps they see it as a wallet opener as much as some customers see it as a leg opener. 555.

None of the pressure or bad reaction stops me from ordering what I damn well please or walking out the door if they don't like it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1821675]I rarely drink alcohol and sometimes get a goofy reaction to my ordering "nam pow" (some say "nam plow"), bottled water, in the bars. Eye rolling, shaking head, even got a comment about whether I was a man or a lady from the server who took my order. In that case as well as a couple of others, I immediately stood up, told the server to cancel that order and walked out with the server seeming dumbfounded and clamoring after me to please come back. I kept walking. That was Shark go-go bar in Soi Cowboy. On a night when it looked to me they needed as many paying customers as possible.

I have also cancelled and walked out of Crazy House when the server made a show of disapproval over my order of bottled water.
Unlike what has been said here, I probably get as much pressure to buy alcohol rather than water, pineapple juice or Coke Light / Zero from the girls as I get positive comments from them about it. Maybe more. Many girls are adament about getting some beers into me. Perhaps they see it as a wallet opener as much as some customers see it as a leg opener. 555.

None of the pressure or bad reaction stops me from ordering what I damn well please or walking out the door if they don't like it.[/QUOTE]You are too sensitive. Staff Jibes or jokes are like water off a duck's back to me. I just totally ignore staff that irritate me. If they block my view I will ask them to move away. I hardly ever encountered a comment about drinking ladies drinks, maybe because girls don't like Soda, Tonic or Coke Light. Staff are more likely disapproving if they think you will sit on a bottle of water all night. I don't allow others to spoil my evening too easily. Buddhism would teach to not to be influenced by the idiots in the world. Just ignore them. I ignore the papasan, and certain waiting staff that are annoying in CH. Every bar will have some dickhead staff. Accept it.

I never get pushed about beers. Girls do try to get me to drink Tequilas, since they disappear far faster than any other drink, so more lucrative. Yes I agree with wallet opener part too. Does a tipsy guy remember to count his drinks? LOL.

I believe that drinking non-alcoholic is thoroughly accepted. I have no problems. I do not attend Sharks though. Last time there was very very dull. Definitely a bar that went badly downhill in my view while Baccara still going very strong indeed with massive takings per day. They must be doing something right even though I don't like Baccara in general. To be fair, most bars have gone down hill over the years, including Long Gun, Deva Vu, Doll House, Suzie Wong, most of the bars that I used to like. Even Crazy House line up average standard has dropped at times over its two years or so, as with increased business they need more girls and are forced to take some not so stunning girls. Sheba was good fun bar but it disappeared.

With most bars, the decline comes with decreasing customers, and difficulty to attract young stunners with no baby. The monthly salaries are not as attractive as they once were.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1821776]You are too sensitive. Staff Jibes or jokes are like water off a duck's back to me. I just totally ignore staff that irritate me. If they block my view I will ask them to move away. I hardly ever encountered a comment about drinking ladies drinks, maybe because girls don't like Soda, Tonic or Coke Light. Staff are more likely disapproving if they think you will sit on a bottle of water all night. I don't allow others to spoil my evening too easily. Buddhism would teach to not to be influenced by the idiots in the world. Just ignore them. I ignore the papasan, and certain waiting staff that are annoying in CH. Every bar will have some dickhead staff. Accept it.[/QUOTE]Interesting, but I believe my level of sensitivity, acceptance and good humor is exactly right and wouldn't change a thing about it. Why would I? My schedule of attractive and sexy young women who give me much better sex than what I read all too often from others here is so full I cannot accommodate half of them in the course of a month. And I'm betting I spend quite a bit less for it than others as well. What gave you the idea that what I posted about this spoiled the next 5 minutes of my evening, much less my night?

I think I have done pretty well in life, with the ladies in and out of the bars, with the expenditures for it, with my satisfaction and pleasure in it, with the people I do business with and have become friends with without the admonishments about how I ought to feel about it and behave from others just fine. But thanks for your concern all the same. And not that you should stop teaching us how high your standards are and all. It is still usually an entertaining read.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1821776]You are too sensitive. Staff Jibes or jokes are like water off a duck's back to me. I just totally ignore staff that irritate me. If they block my view I will ask them to move away. I hardly ever encountered a comment about drinking ladies drinks, maybe because girls don't like Soda, Tonic or Coke Light. Staff are more likely disapproving if they think you will sit on a bottle of water all night. I don't allow others to spoil my evening too easily. Buddhism would teach to not to be influenced by the idiots in the world. Just ignore them. I ignore the papasan, and certain waiting staff that are annoying in CH. Every bar will have some dickhead staff. Accept it.

I never get pushed about beers. Girls do try to get me to drink Tequilas, since they disappear far faster than any other drink, so more lucrative. Yes I agree with wallet opener part too. Does a tipsy guy remember to count his drinks? LOL.

I believe that drinking non-alcoholic is thoroughly accepted. I have no problems. I do not attend Sharks though. Last time there was very very dull. Definitely a bar that went badly downhill in my view while Baccara still going very strong indeed with massive takings per day. They must be doing something right even though I don't like Baccara in general. To be fair, most bars have gone down hill over the years, including Long Gun, Deva Vu, Doll House, Suzie Wong, most of the bars that I used to like. Even Crazy House line up average standard has dropped at times over its two years or so, as with increased business they need more girls and are forced to take some not so stunning girls. Sheba was good fun bar but it disappeared.

With most bars, the decline comes with decreasing customers, and difficulty to attract young stunners with no baby. The monthly salaries are not as attractive as they once were.[/QUOTE]FWIW, I usually order soda water and don't remember any staff at a go-go (or soapy) commenting negatively about it. On the other hand, if staff made a comment I considered joking around, I doubt I would remember that.

Having said this, I am not a regular at the go-go's, and suppose if I were at some point maybe someone would say something negative. But I suspect there are a fair number of us who prefer to not drink alcohol, or at least not much, at the go-go's since it can interfere, at least for some, with good sex.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1821810] But I suspect there are a fair number of us who prefer to not drink alcohol, or at least not much, at the go-go's since it can interfere, at least for some, with good sex.[/QUOTE]Yes, that would be me. And I see that I share that characteristic with Syzygies, too. In fact, it is my experience that more than 2-3 alcoholic drinks in the girl interferes with the best sex she has to offer as well. I just think there are more effective methods of getting their legs open, their honey pots welcoming and eager. Their mouths, too, for that matter. 555.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1820612]....So I don't find the modern prices too surprising. Obviously bargirls wanting 3 k for a ST are really asking for too much unless they are stunning and similar for high priced category Soapy girls.

Guys talking to girls about 2 K for LT seem delusional to me (stuck in the past) unless willing to take a very low standard for looks. I can't do that. I do know where to go to get an el cheapo fuck, but doesn't mean I choose that option so often. I do frequent high end soapies far less than before. Just can't find any amazing girls there anymore. The standard of girls has probably declined over the years or I got more fussy, or the fake stuff has just got too dominant.

[/QUOTE]Very well put. I guess most of us here are willing to welcome the new pricing structures provided the quality of girls and the services they provide are equally high end. That said, I have never been inside Lords, but when I hear a price of 7000 to 10000 THB for a soapy I go a bit weak in my knees. I simply cannot begin to describe the expectation I would have for that kind of money!!

Hi guys. Planning on visiting Thailand for a week. Do you think 2000 usd is enough for a week?

[QUOTE=KeepItBurnin;1823087]Hi guys. Planning on visiting Thailand for a week. Do you think 2000 usd is enough for a week?[/QUOTE]

Yes, about 300 usd / day should be comfortable for most people (for a hotel, booze and hookers). You won't be on the low end surely, but it's not particularly difficult to spend more than that these days either.

[QUOTE=KeepItBurnin;1823087]Hi guys. Planning on visiting Thailand for a week. Do you think 2000 usd is enough for a week?[/QUOTE]I budget about 100 USD per day for lodging and food and an average of 150 USD per day for "entertainment", but I don't drink alcohol and I am quite satisfied with one girl per day, either ST or LT.

Hi!

I'm coming to Thailand from 08 Apr till 25. Songkran (water holiday) is 13 to 15.

Where do you advise me to spend these 3 funny days? Bangkok? Chang Mai? Phuket? Koh Samui?

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1823223]Hi!

I'm coming to Thailand from 08 Apr till 25. Songkran (water holiday) is 13 to 15.

Where do you advise me to spend these 3 funny days? Bangkok? Chang Mai? Phuket? Koh Samui?[/QUOTE]If you come for sex purposes, Bangkok and Pattaya has the most variety and options. Phuket 2nd. If you come purely as a tourist, that is different.

Some girls leave Bangkok for their home province during Songkran but not all.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1823223]I'm coming to Thailand from 08 Apr till 25. Songkran (water holiday) is 13 to 15. Where do you advise me to spend these 3 funny days? Bangkok? Chang Mai? Phuket? Koh Samui?[/QUOTE]Syzygies is right. Many girls leave BKK and Pattaya to be home with their families over the Songkran Holiday, but a sufficient number of girls remain behind so you will not have too much of a problem getting laid. The question is: Do You want to be around for Songkran? If you do decide to stay in Thailand you are going to get wet. I suppose that if you have never experienced this holiday and you have the right attitude about it, you can have a real good time. It is a festive occasion. On the other hand, you can just get out of Dodge City for a few days and be none the worse off for skipping it. To that end I suggest a 3 or 4 day lay over in Phnom Penh. PP is close by (a 45 minute flight), the food is tasty, its a Buddhist country, and there are plenty of bars and friendly girls. The only problem is "everybody" leaves Thailand over Songkran so air fares nearly double from the 11th to the 18th of April. Another alternative is to head for a quiet island beach like Koh Chang where everything will be more relaxed. Koh Chang is a beautiful island with good beaches, not many bars, and it is approximately a 4 hour drive from BKK or 3 hours from Pattaya.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1823223]Hi!

I'm coming to Thailand from 08 Apr till 25. Songkran (water holiday) is 13 to 15.

Where do you advise me to spend these 3 funny days? Bangkok? Chang Mai? Phuket? Koh Samui?[/QUOTE]I recommend you avoid Songkran like the plague.

All you will see is Westerners, who will have no idea what the purpose of Songkran is, behave like absolute fuckwits. If you are anything like me, it will be one of those times when you are embarrassed to be a white honky. You will also get very wet in the process. Go elsewhere.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1823223]Hi!

I'm coming to Thailand from 08 Apr till 25. Songkran (water holiday) is 13 to 15.

Where do you advise me to spend these 3 funny days? Bangkok? Chang Mai? Phuket? Koh Samui?[/QUOTE]I have been in Bangkok during Songkran. Some places (Nana or Soi Cowboy for example) were a riot, but wet and fun. Other streets were calm (or busy) as usual. So Bangkok allows one to experience Songkran as one wants.

However it was not a good time to find a girl. Most had lots of fun, but the mongering business was not at the forefront of their attention.

But Songkran also causes a lot of "eye candy"! "Pointy nipples + wet t-shirts" (wink wink).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1823343]I have been in Bangkok during Songkran. Some places (Nana or Soi Cowboy for example) were a riot, but wet and fun. Other streets were calm (or busy) as usual. So Bangkok allows one to experience Songkran as one wants.

However it was not a good time to find a girl. Most had lots of fun, but the mongering business was not at the forefront of their attention.

But Songkran also causes a lot of "eye candy"! "Pointy nipples + wet t-shirts" (wink wink).[/QUOTE]I actually choose my dates to enjoy Songkran. I already enjoyed one, and have good memories of a crazy night in a night club, where they provided a water gun to each visitor at the entrance.

I had a lot of fun, fighting with the girls with these tiny water guns, inside the disco! Hopefully there was no short-circuit, nor fire.

Don't worry, I intend to get wet, before make them wet!

Thank you for the quick updates guys. Much appreciated. I got some few questions.

Is there any hotel you recommend where I easily can get girls?

Also I want to get a russian girl for one night. Where can I find one?

Is there any website with true pictures if I don't want to go out on one night?

And one last thing where to get the most good looking girls?

Thanks a lot.

Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Thailand in May and I have a question, is Bangkok alone worthy enough of a sex trip. What I mean is that I want a mix of sex and culture and it looks like Pattaya might just be all about sex. If I where to spend 2 weeks in Bangkok would I be limiting myself or would I have more options then I would know what to do with, I'm a oil massage, freelancer, beer bar girl type of guy, not really into short with a gogo girl.

Hello everyone,

I am new here and I am very fascinated by all the insightful posts you guys put up. I am 22 years old as of right now and I've been venturing to Tijuana and DR for the past 3 years con questing most of it respectively. I think I'm ready to venture east, first question is Bangkok or Pattaya? I will probably go for an extended time in the summer, maybe 10-14 days. What should I expect price wise? What should I expect my first time? I am also nervous, I'm paranoid that I'll strike out because I don't look like the typical western sex tourist. I've noticed most of you gentlemen are older than I am and I feel like I won't be taken as serious as many of you would. How does it work? Is it like a hooker type deal where you offer money? Or you charm and wine and dine the lady and tip her accordingly? If possible, this is a stretch I would love to tag along" per say. Not so much an entire trip just maybe if our dates intersect teach me a few things and show me some spots one afternoon? Idk I'm getting ahead of myself. Any help is greatly appreciated, thank you!

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;1823588]Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Thailand in May and I have a question, is Bangkok alone worthy enough of a sex trip. What I mean is that I want a mix of sex and culture and it looks like Pattaya might just be all about sex. If I where to spend 2 weeks in Bangkok would I be limiting myself or would I have more options then I would know what to do with, I'm a oil massage, freelancer, beer bar girl type of guy, not really into short with a gogo girl.[/QUOTE]Why do you ask the same questions again and again. Read all the reports and you get answers.

[QUOTE=KeepItBurnin;1823573]Thank you for the quick updates guys. Much appreciated. I got some few questions.

Is there any hotel you recommend where I easily can get girls?

Also I want to get a russian girl for one night. Where can I find one?

Is there any website with true pictures if I don't want to go out on one night?

And one last thing where to get the most good looking girls?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]You want to stay in a hotel full of hookers? Not my cup of tea, but Grace Hotel seems to answer that description. Reviews are mixed at best ([URL]https://www.tripadvisor.in/Hotel_Review-g293916-d594420-Reviews-Grace_Hotel-Bangkok.html[/URL]).

You will also find "russian" girls there, although they are more likely to be from one of the non-russian parts of the ex soviet union. I have never gone with one of them, so I have no idea if they are worth their price.

Websites with true pictures? You mean with escort girls you can order? Have a look at the escort forum here. Some are real pictures but from years ago, some are photoshopped, some are pure "bait & switch" and it changes continuously.

"Most good looking girls"? It depends on your definition of "most good looking girls". For me it is in Suzie Wong agogo club in Soi Cowboy, but I doubt we have the same taste in women.

[QUOTE=KeepItBurnin;1823573]Thank you for the quick updates guys. Much appreciated. I got some few questions.

Is there any hotel you recommend where I easily can get girls?

Also I want to get a russian girl for one night. Where can I find one?

Is there any website with true pictures if I don't want to go out on one night?

And one last thing where to get the most good looking girls?

Thanks a lot.[/QUOTE]For Russian girls in Bangkok, wish I could go there soon its been a year already.

The best place for CIS chicks in bkk is MIXX club in the basement of intercontinental hotel each and every taxi knows about it and will take you free as they get paid by the hotel 50 bht per passenger there are some model nights and they have exceptionally beautiful girls there but you have to be a high roller. Secondly in Shock 39 , then Bossy Club, Then some at the Spasso in the Grand Hyatt Erawan.

For early night action in Soi 4 there is Rajah Hotel just go in the Lobby and you will find some mamasans or pimps for Russian girls, if you can speak Arabic then Grace hotel in the coffee shop or there disco down you will find a mix of 2 kg make up beauties. If you want to live inside a brothel book in the omni tower on the same road just a bit far away and you will find many by the pool and breakfast in the morning.

For late night action just opposite grace is bamboo bear bar and disco some of the ladies will come here for late night food and work together, if you are lucky you will also find some Moroccan or Arabic ladies here also there to be found.

Regarding the best looking girls in BKK, they are everywhere maybe the soapies but I am not a MP or escort guy, I like to hunt and have fun.

Cheer,

Alex

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1823671]Hello everyone,
I think I'm ready to venture east, first question is Bangkok or Pattaya?
[/QUOTE]One's a beach. One's a city. Your call.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1823671]What should I expect price wise? [/QUOTE]Low end BJ 500, sex 1000. From there the sky is the limit.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1823671]What should I expect my first time? I am also nervous, I'm paranoid that I'll strike out because I don't look like the typical western sex tourist. [/QUOTE]It's a commercial transaction. Do you have two heads and fly a saucer? Your money is the same as everybody else's. Just don't be an asshole.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1823671]Is it like a hooker type deal where you offer money? Or you charm and wine and dine the lady and tip her accordingly? [/QUOTE]Yes.

Read [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction[/URL] until you're crosseyed and you'll begin to get the picture.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;1823882]

Low end BJ 500, sex 1000. From there the sky is the limit.

[/QUOTE]On the day I had to fly out recently at Pattaya, I had a few hours to spare after checkout and found the tartiest looking young gal in a row of seedy masage parlors in the road leading down from Soi Diana. The 500 B BJ turned out to be extraordinarily good! So much that it's now going to be a fixed part of my itinerary on checkout day. Seedy place with curtains between beds and noisy slurpy smack smack sounds from all around, but a superb feeling receiving her skillful manipulations with her mouth. At first I was appalled at how she made no attempt to hush her slurpy sounds, but pretty soon there was a symphony of slurping and smacking sounds from behind all the other curtains, in chorus with my gals - like a group of crickets chirrrping together after a spell of rain, and I relaxed. You will never get to hear a BJ symphony anywhere else in the world but here. It helped that I lasted a full 25 mins before shooting my load, enjoyed it for that much longer and she never complained or reduced the level of effort even for a single minute because she was tired or something. Any other bar gal you take for 2000B or more will surely complain or make a face by the end of 10 mins. It takes talent at the level of training of a circus artiste or acrobat to perform like that.

Don't mistake low end price for low end experience. I don't know how many women back in my city can give head with the same level of skill.

P.

[QUOTE=PeeMan;1823928] ... I ... found the tartiest looking young gal in a row of seedy massage parlors in the road leading down from Soi Diana. P.[/QUOTE]Do you mean Soi Honey which runs parallel East and West with Soi Diana? That's where the row of seedy parlors is.

Anyway, excellent report. I got a vicarious thrill out of all that slurping.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1823991]Do you mean Soi Honey which runs parallel East and West with Soi Diana? That's where the row of seedy parlors is.

Anyway, excellent report. I got a vicarious thrill out of all that slurping.[/QUOTE]I didn't check the map as I strolled around and chanced upon it, but it must be the one.

A note about the skill level of the gal. This wasn't a "dull" erection that took 25 minutes to reach the peak pleasure zone, it was a state of heightened pleasure nearing the peak levels from the word go. I told her when I was approaching the shoot and she immediately switched from hand+tounge tip technique to a pumping swallowing motion for the CIM. Interestingly my first experience where the gal lathers the shaft with coconut oil and then swallows and licks it up.

She deserves a standing applause - from my throbbing member the next time again of course!

Cheers

P.

Hi all.... Been mostly on the "Tijuana" part of this site, but sometimes I keep an eye on this part as well (Thailand). Planned to go last year in October, but the trip fell through with a couple of friends at the last moment. Not fun at all. The plan was to spend 5 days in Pattaya, 4 days in Chiang Mai (Am I spelling that right? And the last 4 days in Bangkok. My friends mostly wanted to do beach stuff (cool with me), but my interest was in three (3) areas: Food, Golf and the Female persuasion of course. However, as for the golf, I realized that a lot of the courses I wanted to play required a taxi or whatever to get there and they were like $60 or $80 round-trip as well as an hour or so away. Does anyone here have any thoughts about this? Also, most of the courses didn't seem to like the idea of booking a round / tee-time for a "single" player. It seemed like a real hassle actually, but there were courses there that I really would have like to have played. The plan is to still travel there this year (perhaps Sept. Or Oct.). Anyways, it sounded like a cool trip, but any thoughts that people here might have about where to go for golf would be appreciated. Also, does anyone have any thoughts about the idea of spending 4 or 5 days in each of the spots I listed above?

[QUOTE=Caprese7;1824537 Hi all. Been mostly on the "Tijuana" part of this site, but sometimes I keep an eye on this part as well (Thailand). Planned to go last year in October, but the trip fell through with a couple of friends at the last moment. Not fun at all. The plan was to spend 5 days in Pattaya, 4 days in Chiang Mai.

My advice keep things loose in plans, as it is so easy to get about in Thailand go with your feelings when you arrive, if you go pattaya first there are so many bars offering golf days you will be happy with the cost, try this google search golf bars Pattaya the golf trips start earlyish so not a good friend for overnight visitors.

Have fun tit.

[QUOTE=Caprese7;1824537] However, as for the golf, I realized that a lot of the courses I wanted to play required a taxi or whatever to get there and they were like $60 or $80 round-trip as well as an hour or so away. Does anyone here have any thoughts about this? Also, most of the courses didn't seem to like the idea of booking a round / tee-time for a "single" player. It seemed like a real hassle actually, but there were courses there that I really would have like to have played. [/QUOTE]Actually it is not a hassle at all. In Pattaya you may have to join a group, which will make things lot easier. In Bangkok, just take any cab and they will take you to the golf course and you pay by meter. At the end of the round if you tell the receptionist, they will call a cab for you. You may have to wait 15 to 30 minutes depending on the location of the course. The max I pay is about 450 bath to Lam Lukka which is quite far. Some of the cab drivers would not know the locations and you may have to let a few taxis go. All in all it is manageable. I have done this in Chang Mai couple of times but do not have a lot of experience there. In general, as a single player it is never a problem to get on the course unless there is a tournament going on. They will ask you if you do not mind joining a group. Let me know when you are making the trip and if I am in BKK I can certainly help. I am sure there are other members who play golf regularly as well. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Caprese7;1824537]Also, does anyone have any thoughts about the idea of spending 4 or 5 days in each of the spots I listed above?[/QUOTE]4 or 5 days in BKK or CM is certainly do-able. There is so much to see and do in BKK that it won't be boring. CM is very pretty, if they're not doing their annual field burning. There are lots of very scenic places to visit, too. A few days there wouldn't be a waste.

For me, the bloom has been off of the Pattaya rose for quite some time. I guess everybody has to see it once, but if you're into beach-why activities, consider Hua Hin. There is still nightlife but there is not quite the hard-core sleaze of PTY. Or Koh Chang might be a good alternative if you prefer something more relaxed.

[QUOTE=Caprese7;1824537]Hi all.... Been mostly on the "Tijuana" part of this site, but sometimes I keep an eye on this part as well (Thailand). Planned to go last year in October, but the trip fell through with a couple of friends at the last moment. Not fun at all. The plan was to spend 5 days in Pattaya, 4 days in Chiang Mai (Am I spelling that right? And the last 4 days in Bangkok. My friends mostly wanted to do beach stuff (cool with me), but my interest was in three (3) areas: Food, Golf and the Female persuasion of course. However, as for the golf, I realized that a lot of the courses I wanted to play required a taxi or whatever to get there and they were like $60 or $80 round-trip as well as an hour or so away. Does anyone here have any thoughts about this? Also, most of the courses didn't seem to like the idea of booking a round / tee-time for a "single" player. It seemed like a real hassle actually, but there were courses there that I really would have like to have played. The plan is to still travel there this year (perhaps Sept. Or Oct.). Anyways, it sounded like a cool trip, but any thoughts that people here might have about where to go for golf would be appreciated. Also, does anyone have any thoughts about the idea of spending 4 or 5 days in each of the spots I listed above?[/QUOTE]Caprese7: I know nothing about golf but I stay at the Whitehouse Condotel in Pattaya. The hotel is full of golfers and the owner is also an avid golfer. It would be very easy to meet some players there. I have talked to many at breakfast in the hotel restaurant. You can certainly talk to the owner who will make some introductions for you.

[QUOTE=Allover;1824846]Caprese7: I know nothing about golf but I stay at the Whitehouse Condotel in Pattaya. The hotel is full of golfers and the owner is also an avid golfer. It would be very easy to meet some players there. I have talked to many at breakfast in the hotel restaurant. You can certainly talk to the owner who will make some introductions for you.[/QUOTE]Caprese -.

There is also a rather large golf society in the area, minimal fee and lots of choices for daily courses. Not sure if this is allowed or considered advertising on this forum.

[URL]http://pattayasports.org/sports/golf/[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Caprese7;1824537]Hi all.... Been mostly on the "Tijuana" part of this site, but sometimes I keep an eye on this part as well (Thailand). Planned to go last year in October, but the trip fell through with a couple of friends at the last moment. Not fun at all. The plan was to spend 5 days in Pattaya, 4 days in Chiang Mai (Am I spelling that right? And the last 4 days in Bangkok. My friends mostly wanted to do beach stuff (cool with me), but my interest was in three (3) areas: Food, Golf and the Female persuasion of course. However, as for the golf, I realized that a lot of the courses I wanted to play required a taxi or whatever to get there and they were like $60 or $80 round-trip as well as an hour or so away. Does anyone here have any thoughts about this? Also, most of the courses didn't seem to like the idea of booking a round / tee-time for a "single" player. It seemed like a real hassle actually, but there were courses there that I really would have like to have played. The plan is to still travel there this year (perhaps Sept. Or Oct.). Anyways, it sounded like a cool trip, but any thoughts that people here might have about where to go for golf would be appreciated. Also, does anyone have any thoughts about the idea of spending 4 or 5 days in each of the spots I listed above?[/QUOTE].

If you are around the L. K. Area, On Soi Buakhao, just off Soi LengKee, there is a restaurant called Weatherspoons, they have daily Golf tours. Opposite int he L. K. Court yard area where the majority of Go Go, check out the Golf Club Restaurant too for information.

At Ibaski: Thanks for the reply here. The goal is to be in Thailand possibly this Fall or late this Summer, 2016. I appreciate the advice here, but the main concern was that they did not seem overly receptive to "singles" on the course. However, one of the courses did set me up with a playing partner for my first round (Laem Chabang I believe). The price of the taxi to and from also seemed quite expensive considering that is virtually equaled the green fee. The courses look really nice and this is something I firmly believe I would enjoy when in Thailand during the day. The whole thing just seems challenging however. Not really sure how to join a "group" either". I do appreciate your offering assistance however, and.

I might take you up on that. Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Ibaski;1824698]Actually it is not a hassle at all. In Pattaya you may have to join a group, which will make things lot easier. In Bangkok, just take any cab and they will take you to the golf course and you pay by meter. At the end of the round if you tell the receptionist, they will call a cab for you. You may have to wait 15 to 30 minutes depending on the location of the course. The max I pay is about 450 bath to Lam Lukka which is quite far. Some of the cab drivers would not know the locations and you may have to let a few taxis go. All in all it is manageable. I have done this in Chang Mai couple of times but do not have a lot of experience there. In general, as a single player it is never a problem to get on the course unless there is a tournament going on. They will ask you if you do not mind joining a group. Let me know when you are making the trip and if I am in BKK I can certainly help. I am sure there are other members who play golf regularly as well. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Just thought of sharing this incident with you guys, it might help you of you face a similar issue with passport validity.

My friend and I had planned a trip to Thailand for the 6th of February, mid December we had booked our flight tickets including bookings for all the hotels and tours when I realized that my British Passport had only 5 months validity left, so I went on the Thai Embassy site to look for information regarding the rules for passports which are about to expire, on some pages of the site I saw that it said 3 months validity was required and on some other pages of the site it said 6 months. I was confused, worried, and panicking so I called up the Thai Embassy in India and no one was picking up the phone. So I sent them an email and told them about my situation, the Consul I was in contact with via email was rather helpful and she said that I would most likely not face any issues while entering Thailand, I was very skeptical of her reply and told her what I had read on the website, she then told me that if I was worried I could apply for a tourist visa and that she would issue me on my passport. After I asked her if it guaranteed me entry into Thailand, as I didn't want to take a risk as all my bookings were done, she said at the end of the day it is up to the Immigration Officer to see.

I checked the British High Commission website and it said that it would take around 8 weeks for them to do a renewal from India, now I was really worried and didn't know what to do, I thought I'd have to cancel the bookings of me and my friend and loose a lot of money in the process. I thought I should at least download and fill out the form for renewal, so I downloaded and printed it, it had to be fill in by hand, on the site it was also mentioned that if I need to travel urgently and I didn't have my passport with me or it had expired or was stolen I could apply for a Emergency Travel Document (Emergency Passport) at the British High Commission in Mumbai, the travel document would be valid just for this one trip.

So I filled in the renewal papers for the passport and submitted them on the 31st of December 2015. I called the British High Commission in Mumbai and asked them regarding the Travel Document, they said they would be happy to help me and that I would have to book an appointment 2 weeks before my travel date from their website and bring proof of my passport renewal and some other photo IDs and they would issue me one on paying £90 for the application. I downloaded the form and booked the appointment for the 21st of January 2016.

10 days after I had submitted the passport application, I got a message on my phone from DHL saying that my passport was on its way to me. I was astonished at the turnaround time for the renewal process. 2 days after the DHL message I got an email from the office from where I had submitted my application to come and collect my passport. Canceled my appointment with the Embassy and relaxed.

I thought I would have to do a lot of running around for the Travel Document but in the end everything turned out to be fine.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1825986]Hi all,

Just thought of sharing this incident with you guys, it might help you of you face a similar issue with passport validity.

[/QUOTE]Good reminder to people. Typically, the airline will not even let you board if your passport is within six months or so of expiring. Glad everything ended up working out.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1826171]Good reminder to people. Typically, the airline will not even let you board if your passport is within six months or so of expiring. Glad everything ended up working out.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's well know most countries ask for minimum 6 months remaining on the passport. Also, some countries also require to see a Return ticket if you are going on vacation and are not a permanent resident of the country you are going to. The airline will request that when you check in.

Since this document related discussion is going on, I'd like to mention another point as well.

In some countries there is a rule that, "Your passport must be active & valid from last 6 months minimum meaning if you have got a new passport & before 6 months from the date of getting passport if you are trying to travel, then there is a chance that you won't be allowed". These things are clearly mentioned in Thai Consulate website. But people likely not read it clearly. This kind of minor things might create a prob in later time. Be alert.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1826387]Since this document related discussion is going on, I'd like to mention another point as well.

In some countries there is a rule that, "Your passport must be active & valid from last 6 months minimum meaning if you have got a new passport & before 6 months from the date of getting passport if you are trying to travel, then there is a chance that you won't be allowed". These things are clearly mentioned in Thai Consulate website. But people likely not read it clearly. This kind of minor things might create a prob in later time. Be alert.[/QUOTE]I once went to Thailand with a 10 days new passport in VoA scheme. No problem!

P.

Seriously, I really would like to know which countries will not accept a newly issued passport?

A freshly issued passport without stamps might draw a bit more attention and scrutiny though. If the immigration officer sees a lot of entry and exit stamps, such as in a frequent monger's passport (maybe even his own stamp) the risk of a fake passport is lower as well as the probability that you will overstay / work illegally etc.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1826584]Seriously, I really would like to know which countries will not accept a newly issued passport?

A freshly issued passport without stamps might draw a bit more attention and scrutiny though. If the immigration officer sees a lot of entry and exit stamps, such as in a frequent monger's passport (maybe even his own stamp) the risk of a fake passport is lower as well as the probability that you will overstay / work illegally etc.[/QUOTE]Who cares, unless Thailand is putting special rules for visits from your country? Hypothetically, it's possible in there was a habitual problem of people coming to Thailand, for secret work purposes, from particular origins, and Thailand could try to discourage it by requiring a passport to be at least 6 months of age.

However most western countries are not going to be restricted from tourism in this way. It doesn't make any sense to prevent tourists when tourism is an important part of the economy. I have not had a problem with a new passport.

I am trying to work out what sort of a VISA would suit me, as I do enter Thailand many times per year, totalling up to 4 months per year, but each stay is normally 4 weeks or less. Currently I don't apply for any VISAs and get 4 weeks automatically each visit.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826593]I am trying to work out what sort of a VISA would suit me, as I do enter Thailand many times per year, totalling up to 4 months per year, but each stay is normally 4 weeks or less. Currently I don't apply for any VISAs and get 4 weeks automatically each visit.[/QUOTE]

I am in the same situation, travelling quite frequently to Thailand under the visa waiver system (30 days visa excempt stay).

As I understand it the current government abolished some rules about maximum number of stays, and that you can now avail of this excemption indefinate number of stays, at least if you are entering / exiting via airports? Are there any situations where they will be reluctant to grant visa waiver? I have an upcoming trip where I will be in Thailand a while and then do a brief beeline to PH, then re-entering Thailand again one or two weeks later. As I understand it, I should then be granted another 30 days. That would look a bit like a visa run, although it is not (I will exit TH after another 1-2 weeks). Are there any travel patterns one should avoid, when using the the visa waiver extensively?

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1826597]I am in the same situation, travelling quite frequently to Thailand under the visa waiver system (30 days visa excempt stay).

As I understand it the current government abolished some rules about maximum number of stays, and that you can now avail of this excemption indefinate number of stays, at least if you are entering / exiting via airports? Are there any situations where they will be reluctant to grant visa waiver? I have an upcoming trip where I will be in Thailand a while and then do a brief beeline to PH, then re-entering Thailand again one or two weeks later. As I understand it, I should then be granted another 30 days. That would look a bit like a visa run, although it is not (I will exit TH after another 1-2 weeks). Are there any travel patterns one should avoid, when using the the visa waiver extensively?[/QUOTE]No it won't look like a Visa run if you stay away more than one night and don't clearly do it just to avoid 30 day restrictions on a regular basis. Would be simpler to fly to Penang or similar for a VISA Run.

It is possible to go to Thai Immigration and apply for a 7 day extension to the automatic 30 days. I may try that sometime soon. That is a better course of action than and out-in "Visa run" if only needing a short extension. I have paid overstay fines on two occasions.

I've been doing some research into this.

[URL]http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/new-visa-rules.php[/URL]

New rule is there is no longer a 90 day maximum stay every 6 months. However, you still have to do a Visa run (which is a PITA from Pattaya) every 30 days by air and 15 days by land.

When I turn 50 in a few years I can apply for the Retirement Visa. 1 year stay and only have to check into immigration office once every 90 days.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826607] I have paid overstay fines on two occasions. That is a better course of action than and out-in "Visa run".[/QUOTE]

Would this ever become an issue with Thai immigration if you do it too many times?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1826608]I've been doing some research into this.

[URL]http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/new-visa-rules.php[/URL]

New rule is there is no longer a 90 day maximum stay every 6 months. However, you still have to do a Visa run (which is a PITA from Pattaya) every 30 days by air and 15 days by land.

When I turn 50 in a few years I can apply for the Retirement Visa. 1 year stay and only have to check into immigration office once every 90 days.

Would this ever become an issue with Thai immigration if you do it too many times?[/QUOTE]I updated my post to be clearer. I don't know if becomes a problem by overstaying too many times. I have only overstayed a few days, like 3 or 4 days. The fine per day is quite expensive. I forget how much, but total fine was several thousand Baht.

What do retired people do in long term? I mean 1 year stay is clearly not enough. As I am well over 50, retirement VISA may suit me though I am still intending to work outside Thailand for plenty more years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826607]No it won't look like a Visa run if you stay away more than one night and don't clearly do it just to avoid 30 day restrictions on a regular basis. Would be simpler to fly to Penang or similar for a VISA Run.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. Manila will look quite genuine as compared to Penang and the likes. I guess it will hardly raise an eybrow. As a currently quite heavy user of free 30-days waivers I do not want to create unnecessarily strange travel patterns, but this looks like a non-issue. I have never had any questions from Thai immigration (unlike some PH stations, especially the notorious one).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826616]What do retired people do in long term? I mean 1 year stay is clearly not enough. As I am well over 50, retirement VISA may suit me though I am still intending to work outside Thailand for plenty more years.[/QUOTE]I'm curious about this as well. Wondering what is the easiest options to stay in Thailand for years, other than marriage of course.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1826633]I'm curious about this as well. Wondering what is the easiest options to stay in Thailand for years, other than marriage of course.[/QUOTE]I have been living in Thailand for several years on a 1 year retirement visa that I renew a day or two before it expires. As a USA Citizen, for me it is a brief visit to the USA Embassy to pick up an income verification letter (easy, make an appointment online ahead of time). Then I take that and my passport to Thai Immigration for a few hours of waiting and stamping to get the visa renewed. It could all be done in one day if you do the USA Embassy part early in the day and get to Thai Immigration just after Noon (closed from Noon to 1 PM for lunch). Need a couple of new photos each time but that can be done on the Thai Immigration premises, too, or in advance if you want. Cost to renew is, as I recall, 1900 baht. Photo on the premises is another 100 baht or so. I add the multiple entry (without needing a re-entry pass) option, which is the most expensive thing in the process at about 3,000 baht extra. Haven't used it much, but like to have it in the passport in case of an emergency or impulse to just get up and go on a trip out of the country with as few stops in between as possible.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826616]I updated my post to be clearer. I don't know if becomes a problem by overstaying too many times. I have only overstayed a few days, like 3 or 4 days. The fine per day is quite expensive. I forget how much, but total fine was several thousand Baht.
[/QUOTE]I am always curious about what data appears on the immigration website when they swipe in your passport number. I suspect they probably note that you have overstayed the visa, so if you become an habitual over-stayer, it might eventually rebound on you.

I have never gone beyond my designated stay but on my last trip to Laos, I needed to extend my business visa from 30 to 60 days and I was delayed by a work issue and couldn't leave until Day 61. I never thought this would be an issue but when I reached passport control I was asked to go (and escorted) to a side office where a very courteous guy explained I had overstayed 1 day and needed to pay a fine (the amount of which I can't remember but it was enough to clean out my excess kip), and an official receipt with stamp etc was issued. There was a laminated scale of charges on the wall which escalated as the days increased.

I then was taken back to the original kiosk and away I went.

I can imagine that if there is a queue of over-stayers then you might be delayed much longer than you anticipated. It's not worth getting any sort of "flag" on your record.

Re comments about "new passports". I always carry my old expired passport with me for the first few trips in case there is ever an issue, but there never has been.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1826584]Seriously, I really would like to know which countries will not accept a newly issued passport?

A freshly issued passport without stamps might draw a bit more attention and scrutiny though. If the immigration officer sees a lot of entry and exit stamps, such as in a frequent monger's passport (maybe even his own stamp) the risk of a fake passport is lower as well as the probability that you will overstay / work illegally etc.[/QUOTE]I won't take any name but I know there are some south Asia & golf countries for whom the rule is your fresh passport must be valid for at least 6 months (for some it's 3 months). I saw this while doing some research some time back & I'm pretty sure it's still there. But again while booking a ticket if you call up the Airline people & explain them about it, they clearly say "Don't worry, nobody is going to notice this minor information". To be honest I've not heard anybody barred to enter Thailand due to this reason recently. But this rule is there, so you don't know when bad luck will hit you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1826593]I am trying to work out what sort of a VISA would suit me, as I do enter Thailand many times per year, totalling up to 4 months per year, but each stay is normally 4 weeks or less. Currently I don't apply for any VISAs and get 4 weeks automatically each visit.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PuteNut;1826597]I am in the same situation, travelling quite frequently to Thailand under the visa waiver system (30 days visa excempt stay).

As I understand it the current government abolished some rules about maximum number of stays, and that you can now avail of this excemption indefinate number of stays, at least if you are entering / exiting via airports? Are there any situations where they will be reluctant to grant visa waiver? I have an upcoming trip where I will be in Thailand a while and then do a brief beeline to PH, then re-entering Thailand again one or two weeks later. As I understand it, I should then be granted another 30 days. That would look a bit like a visa run, although it is not (I will exit TH after another 1-2 weeks). Are there any travel patterns one should avoid, when using the the visa waiver extensively?[/QUOTE]I don't know from which country at Pute Nut belongs, but irrespective of country we all can opt for Multi-Entry visa instead of single entry (we normally get single entry visa in visa-on-arrival). Multi-Entry includes entry either from your country or from another country by Air / Land and it costs double the amount of single entry (sometimes a bit more costly). Perhaps this what would suit you & you'll definitely save some time when you get a fresh visa every time you enter. And if I recollect perfectly then the validity of multi-entry tourist visa is more compared to single-entry.

Is there anything special I need to know about bring my medication along on my trip to Thailand? It is a non-narcotic type of medicine used by patients with thyroid issues or who have had their thyroid removed.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1826995]Is there anything special I need to know about bring my medication along on my trip to Thailand? It is a non-narcotic type of medicine used by patients with thyroid issues or who have had their thyroid removed.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]None, other than play it safe and have the medicine in its original prescription bottle. I bring meds over all the time and have yet to be stopped/questioned/frisked/cavity searched. I can not say the same thing for Sydney or Singapore.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1826995]Is there anything special I need to know about bring my medication along on my trip to Thailand? It is a non-narcotic type of medicine used by patients with thyroid issues or who have had their thyroid removed.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you travel to any country, whether it is Thailand or somewhere else, it is always a good idea to bring along your prescriptions. You never know if or when you need them.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1826639]I have been living in Thailand for several years on a 1 year retirement visa that I renew a day or two before it expires. As a USA Citizen, for me it is a brief visit to the USA Embassy to pick up an income verification letter (easy, make an appointment online ahead of time). Then I take that and my passport to Thai Immigration for a few hours of waiting and stamping to get the visa renewed. It could all be done in one day if you do the USA Embassy part early in the day and get to Thai Immigration just after Noon (closed from Noon to 1 PM for lunch). Need a couple of new photos each time but that can be done on the Thai Immigration premises, too, or in advance if you want. Cost to renew is, as I recall, 1900 baht. Photo on the premises is another 100 baht or so. I add the multiple entry (without needing a re-entry pass) option, which is the most expensive thing in the process at about 3,000 baht extra. Haven't used it much, but like to have it in the passport in case of an emergency or impulse to just get up and go on a trip out of the country with as few stops in between as possible.[/QUOTE]Your retirement visa doesn't remain good for the whole year if you leave? I mean, once you get the visa, you can't simply leave and re-enter during that year (without some sort of re-entry)?

How much is a re-entry stamp?

I'm still some time away from being eligible for a retirement visa (although I retired years ago). Have to wait until 50. Meet all other requirements except age. LOL.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1827288]Your retirement visa doesn't remain good for the whole year if you leave? I mean, once you get the visa, you can't simply leave and re-enter during that year (without some sort of re-entry)?

How much is a re-entry stamp?

I'm still some time away from being eligible for a retirement visa (although I retired years ago). Have to wait until 50. Meet all other requirements except age. LOL.[/QUOTE]My retirement visa is good for an entire year whether I leave or not. I am not sure about the cost, if any, of a re-entry pass because I have always opted for the multiple entry stamp when I renewed. As I understand it, if you don't have a multiple entry stamp, you are required to get a re-entry pass whenever you leave the country during the term of your visa and those are available at Immigration or at the airport. What has spooked me about relying on that even though it would likely be cheaper to go that way rather than buying the multiple entry stamp (as I said, about 3,000 baht for the year) is that I have heard there are times when one can show up at the airport for their flight out of Thailand and re-entry passes are not available, so a side trip to Immigration to get one prior to going to the airport is more certain. I didn't want to hassle with that or even take the chance if and when I travel out of Thailand so that is why I get the multiple entry stamp every year when I renew my retirement visa.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1827063]None, other than play it safe and have the medicine in its original prescription bottle. I bring meds over all the time and have yet to be stopped/questioned/frisked/cavity searched. I can not say the same thing for Sydney or Singapore.[/QUOTE]Thanks! The closer my trip gets the more nervous I get that I am forgetting or overlooking something I shouldn't.

[QUOTE=Caprese7;1825978]At Ibaski: Thanks for the reply here. Not really sure how to join a "group" either". I do appreciate your offering assistance however, and.

I might take you up on that. Thanks again![/QUOTE]No problem. PM Sent.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1827433]My retirement visa is good for an entire year whether I leave or not. <SNIP>. . I didn't want to hassle with that or even take the chance if and when I travel out of Thailand so that is why I get the multiple entry stamp every year when I renew my retirement visa.[/QUOTE]It's a no-brainer. Much more sensible to get a multiple-entry visa for almost any country that you visit if that option is available, especially if you plan to stay for an extended period. You can leave any time and return without hassles as the mood takes you.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1827482]Thanks! The closer my trip gets the more nervous I get that I am forgetting or overlooking something I shouldn't.[/QUOTE]If yu forget something there a good chances you can buy it in Thailand cheaper than at home.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1827482]Thanks! The closer my trip gets the more nervous I get that I am forgetting or overlooking something I shouldn't.[/QUOTE]A small detail that has caused some problems for friends of mine visiting from the USA; make sure all the currency you intend to exchange in Thailand is as pristine as possible. If you bring a $20, $50 or $100 bill with the intention of exchanging it here but it has a corner missing no deeper than the border of the bill, don't bring it. Return it to your bank and get another one fully intact without a tear or a clipped corner. As it is in many countries, Thai currency exchange offices will not accept foreign bills that are damaged in ways that are accepted and dispensed by banks and retailers in the USA all the time.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1827581]It's a no-brainer. Much more sensible to get a multiple-entry visa for almost any country that you visit if that option is available, especially if you plan to stay for an extended period. You can leave any time and return without hassles as the mood takes you.[/QUOTE]Maybe not quite a no brainer. When applying for multi-entry you can be expected to have documentation of your flight dates on itinerary. Could be a problem if 2nd entry flights not yet booked. Sometimes we look for cheap flights where date of first leg cannot be changed. Some multi-entry Visas for Thailand are good for two entries only.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1827887]Maybe not quite a no brainer. When applying for multi-entry you can be expected to have documentation of your flight dates on itinerary. Could be a problem if 2nd entry flights not yet booked. Sometimes we look for cheap flights where date of first leg cannot be changed. Some multi-entry Visas for Thailand are good for two entries only.[/QUOTE]In purchasing a muliple entry stamp on my 1 year Thai retirement visa renewal periods several times now I have not yet been asked to show documentation of a pending flight. Never heard of it being a requirement to purchase one. Not on a 1 year retirement visa, that is. I don't have any personal experience with purchasing one on another type of visa like a work visa though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1827887]Maybe not quite a no brainer. When applying for multi-entry you can be expected to have documentation of your flight dates on itinerary. Could be a problem if 2nd entry flights not yet booked. Sometimes we look for cheap flights where date of first leg cannot be changed. Some multi-entry Visas for Thailand are good for two entries only.[/QUOTE]I should have said "It's a no-brainer" FOR ME as my multi-entry is needed for my work assignments that are broken up into several segments. I have never been asked for details of when I will return. I always obtain a multi-entry visa (good for 12 months) for my wife to travel to Australia as often as she likes. I don't even need to show details of the first flight we will take in order to get the visa; I just get it and we use it if and when we need to do so.

The Retirement Visas that I have researched in Thailand, Philippines and Malaysia all give excellent incentives for retirees to get one. Hassles over multiple-entry is not part of any of them. There may be examples that Syzygies mentioned about which I don't know, so I guess one needs to research each case carefully.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1827288]Your retirement visa doesn't remain good for the whole year if you leave? I mean, once you get the visa, you can't simply leave and re-enter during that year (without some sort of re-entry)?

How much is a re-entry stamp?[/QUOTE]Visa. 1900 thb.

Multi entry. 3800 thb.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1827649]A small detail that has caused some problems for friends of mine visiting from the USA; make sure all the currency you intend to exchange in Thailand is as pristine as possible. If you bring a $20, $50 or $100 bill with the intention of exchanging it here but it has a corner missing no deeper than the border of the bill, don't bring it. Return it to your bank and get another one fully intact without a tear or a clipped corner. As it is in many countries, Thai currency exchange offices will not accept foreign bills that are damaged in ways that are accepted and dispensed by banks and retailers in the USA all the time.[/QUOTE]Its good advice. I had a few bills of US $ 100 denominbation that I had had in my travel wallet. Got to Thailand and they examined them. No tears but they were a bit worn. Wouldn't accept in airport, wouldn't accept in Sukhumvit money changers either. Got to Cambodia and asked in hotel if they could change to smaller bills, whcih are very needed in Cambodia. " sure sir, right away sir ".

[QUOTE=LordFarquard;1828374]Visa. 1900 thb.
Multi entry. 3800 thb.[/QUOTE]Good info LF. Much appreciated.

I also did some checking on-line. Once you get the retirement visa, if you do decide to leave for a side trip and return, you will need a re-entry or the multiple entry (as Eih T mentioned). The re-entry costs is 1000 baht. And yes, that would require a trip to immigration ahead of time. At least that is how I would get it if I wanted to go to another country for awhile. I wouldn't want to be messing around at the airport trying to get it before flying out.

The reason I asked to begin with is because one would think that if you had a retirement visa 'good for a year', it should be valid for the whole year, and no problem whether one leaves for a short trip. It's just another way to get more money.
They give you a retirement visa for a year. But if you decide to leave for a week and come back, they want an extra 1000.
They should call it a single-entry retirement visa and a ME ret visa.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1828563]They should call it a single-entry retirement visa and a ME ret visa.[/QUOTE]That would indeed make things more clear, but on the other hand a visum is generally everywhere understood to allow one entry only. In that respect Thailand is actually quite generous to allow you to buy a re-entry as and when needed, without having to apply for a new *real* multiple entry visum in your home country.

Anyone know if the brown bombers are still annoying farangs with drugs tests along Suk? Generally around Soi's 19 - 23.

Thanks.

Styk.

IT's not generally understood like that as you mentioned. That describes one entry. One entry would be a single entry visa (like a regular tourist visa). A Retirement Visa should be just that, an extended visa for long term. When granted, one should have the freedom to come and go during the whole year.

The visa allows one to come to the country, so if you are allowed a full year, it should not hinder you or require extra money if you want to travel to a new place. Thats my point.
It's all about money.

Like before Nov 2015, they would issue a double entry visa for 2800 baht (or $80 USD). That allowed 2 entries, with each entry valid for 60 days (can extend 1 month on each).
You would get a total of 90 days, go somewhere for a side trip, and you can return.
They replaced the double entry with a multi-entry visa for 5000 baht. BUT its basically the same thing because you still only get 60 days per entry.
The difference is the cost. Costs you 2200 baht extra now!

A retirement visa should be a long term visa valid for a a year (regardless of entries). If you already have permission to visit for a WHOLE year, you should be able to take side trips to other places within that year.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1829033]That would indeed make things more clear, but on the other hand a visum is generally everywhere understood to allow one entry only. In that respect Thailand is actually quite generous to allow you to buy a re-entry as and when needed, without having to apply for a new *real* multiple entry visum in your home country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1829260]IT's not generally understood like that as you mentioned. That describes one entry. One entry would be a single entry visa (like a regular tourist visa). A Retirement Visa should be just that, an extended visa for long term. When granted, one should have the freedom to come and go during the whole year.
[/QUOTE]A visum has two elements: the number of entries and the time allowed "in country".

Unless said otherwise the rule is "one visum = one entry". So the "one year retirement visum" allows you to enter once and stay one year. What's so difficult to understand?

You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.

And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1829278]
You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.

And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.[/QUOTE]Be sure to read the detail.

I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.

For example, the SRRV for Philippines is not a one-year visa, but an extended period that does not require renewal.

The benefits with SSRV are:

Permanent non-immigrant status [B]with multiple-entry privileges[/B] through the Special Resident Retiree's Visa;.

Exemption from customs duties and taxes for the importation of personal effects;.

[B]Exemption from Exit Clearance and Re-entry Permits;[/B]

Exemption from payment of travel tax provided the retiree has not stayed in the Philippines for more than one year from date of his last entry into the country;.

Conversion of the requisite deposit into active investments, including purchase of condominium unit;.

Interest on the foreign currency deposit is tax-free and payable to retiree in Philippine Pesos;.

Foreign currency time deposit can be converted into Philippine Pesos deposit, but interest is subject to withholding tax;.

Pension, annuities remitted to the Philippines are tax-free; and.

Guaranteed repatriation of the requisites deposit including invested profits, capital gains and dividends accrued from investments, upon compliance with Bangko Sentral rules and regulations.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1829289]Be sure to read the detail.

I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.[/QUOTE]In Thailand the retirement visa has to be done every year. Likewise, if you are married to a Thai I think that visa has to be done every year as well.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1829289]
I hve never heard of 1-year retirement visas.
[/QUOTE]Have a look at [URL]http://www.thailand-immigration.org/thailand-retirement-visa[/URL].

You enter on a standard "non immigrant" visum and during the first 30 days of your stay you can apply for an extension for one year if you fulfill the conditions (age and financials).

So in reality it is just an extension of the time allowed to stay in country and once you go outside your visum is cancelled regardless of how long you were still allowed to stay. Same same as with any other standard visum.

You can of course arrrive on one of the multiple entry visa and then you can leave and enter multiple times or you can buy a re-entry permit each time you travel outside.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1829333]You enter on a standard "non immigrant" visum and during the first 30 days of your stay you can apply for an extension for one year if you fulfill the conditions (age and financials).

[/QUOTE]Coincidentally I received this flyer in my mail. Interesting!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1829278] ... So the "one year retirement visum" allows you to enter once and stay one year. What's so difficult to understand?
You may complain and whine all you like, it is not changing anything.
And of course, money is an important element. Nothing new there either.[/QUOTE]It's not about complaining smart alex. It's gathering facts and sharing current information for Thailand specifically.

For those complaing about taxi drivers refusing to give change, did you know that they can be reported to the central authority by the driver's number displayed and receive a 5000 Baht fine.

I won't post the phone number to ring, but it has only 4 digits.

I usually say keep the change if I liked the way he drove.

So I did a little survey of ATMs on my recent trip and wanted to share the info. I was trying to locate two things. 1. An ATM that would dispense more than 20 k THB so that I could minimize fees, and 2. A lower fee than normal.

So in my November trip I had a Citigold checking account which worked well for the Citibank ATMs in Asok, but it has way too high a minimum balance to avoid a monthly fee so that option only works if you want to keep a lot of money with citibank. From talking with them only Citigold Checking will no incur a foreign exchange fee even so no lower accounts work since anything you gain in ATM fees will wash in exchange fees.

I read that Aeon, ATMS on ground floor of T21 allowed 50 k withdrawls so headed there. Fail on the 50 k, same 20 k as everywhere else. However the fee is 150 THB 50 THB cheaper than most places.

As far as every other bank I tried the 200 THB and 20 k limit were in place. For sure this applied to Siam and Kasikornthai as I kept the withdrawal records for reference.

If anyone gets any other information I would certainly be interested. I like the convenience of the ATMS, but 200 THB and 20 k limit is at the point that even if I didn't get the best exchange rate and brought cash I would still be ahead.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1830732]So I did a little survey of ATMs on my recent trip and wanted to share the info. I was trying to locate two things. 1. An ATM that would dispense more than 20 k THB so that I could minimize fees, and 2. A lower fee than normal. If anyone gets any other information I would certainly be interested. I like the convenience of the ATMS, but 200 THB and 20 k limit is at the point that even if I didn't get the best exchange rate and brought cash I would still be ahead.[/QUOTE]Michael,

Check out the Charles Schwab High Yield Investor Checking Account. I set up such an account last year with very little capital - $250. Presently I have $65 in my account. I now fund the checking account a few weeks before every trip with what I think I might need while on the road and more money can be easily transferred into the account at any time if needed.

There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.

The only requirement is that a new customer opens up a Schwab Investment account at the same time the High Yield Checking Account is opened, but there is no minimum amount required for either the Schwab Investment account or the Schwab Checking (ATM card) account. I put an initial $100 into my Investment account just for the hell of it and have left it there. It earns a small amount of interest. Someday I may put more capital into the investment account because I like doing business with this company.

Agree 100%. I have been using the ATM from Schwab for a number of years. All ATM charges are promptly refunded the 1st of the next month.

If you are a USA citizen let me add another. State Farm Insurance has banking. It to refunds all ATM fees the 1st of the next month. You need to keep a $100 balance in same. You can move money into it from an outside source and have it available within 48 hours. Weekends / holidays are an exception.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1830749]Michael,

Check out the Charles Schwab High Yield Investor Checking Account. I set up such an account last year with very little capital - $250. Presently I have $65 in my account. I now fund the checking account a few weeks before every trip with what I think I might need while on the road and more money can be easily transferred into the account at any time if needed.

There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.

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Foreign exchange fees on that statefarm account?

I have the schwab account and used it in November, but only 4. 81 of fees were refunded, now I looked and only used that one in the phillipinnes, macao, and Hong Kong and I don't have the records to figure which one (s) where refunded. I will check next month on this thailand trip as I used the schwab card exclsusively. Total 550 THB in fees so will see what I get back and let everyone know.

My other no card for no foreign fees and easy use is the captialone360 checking account. Small min and no foreign fees, but no fee reimbursement.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1830853]Agree 100%. I have been using the ATM from Schwab for a number of years. All ATM charges are promptly refunded the 1st of the next month.

If you are a USA citizen let me add another. State Farm Insurance has banking. It to refunds all ATM fees the 1st of the next month. You need to keep a $100 balance in same. You can move money into it from an outside source and have it available within 48 hours. Weekends / holidays are an exception.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1830749]

There are no ATM fees anywhere or rather all ATM charges are refunded at the end of the month. I repeat there are no net ATM or bank charges for withdrawing cash at any ATM in Thailand, Indonesia, the PI, or Macau ect ect. My usual hunting grounds. The maximum per day withdrawal from my account is $900 which is more than adequate for my needs. Also there is no minimum number of withdrawals per day so if necessary I can use different ATM machines to achieve my goal.

[/QUOTE]I can confirm, ATM fee's are returned. What I question is the $900 withdraw per day statement, I was told my max withdraw was $1000 per day but limited to 2 withdraws of $500. I would also suggest that people should open two accounts and have them linked. This way two different debit cards will be issued. If one is lost or stolen, simply go online and transfer your cash to the other account.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1831073]I was told my max withdraw was $1000 per day but limited to 2 withdraws of $500. [/QUOTE]Thanks for you input Breadman. I just checked with a bank representative. $1000 is the default max withdrawal per day, but it can be increased by talking with a Schwab representative. There is NO LIMIT to the number of withdrawals allowed per day.

BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card.

NB.

No foreign exchange fees on the State Farm Account. Acts the same way as the Schwab ATM. I use both to fund myself in my 3 month stays here (Thailand, Issan land).

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1831040]Foreign exchange fees on that statefarm account?

Snipped.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1831088]BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card.[/QUOTE]Be careful and like you said always have a backup. Last time I was in Rio I wasted half a day running back and forth from the bank and calling Schwab on Skype before the problem was finally resolved. I was lucky to already have a little local currency on hand.

Also, I called them before a trip to Colombia in August, but when I got there the card still did not work. I used another one of my ATM cards. The week before last I had no problems with it in Colombia and I have never had a problem with it in Thailand.

Absolutely a must. Call before going out. Credit Cards too. Capital One allows you to do same on line and is good for 60 days. I am now on my 2nd 60 day notification with them. Or else you find yourself in a world of hurt.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831179]Be careful and like you said always have a backup. Last time I was in Rio I wasted half a day running back and forth from the bank and calling Schwab on Skype before the problem was finally resolved. I was lucky to already have a little local currency on hand.

Also, I called them before a trip to Colombia in August, but when I got there the card still did not work. I used another one of my ATM cards. The week before last I had no problems with it in Colombia and I have never had a problem with it in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for info. Will look into that as another backup account. I checked today and did get the full refund of 500 thb which schwab credited 13.81 back on the 1st. Was still worth a couple months of fees at citi for all the AA miles I got from opening and funding account. If you are looking to collect miles it is a good value even with a few months of fees waiting for miles to post. Looks like they just upped it to 50 k miles from the 30 k I got, probably cause AA is devaluing their chart in March. Still though miles work well to fly cathay to LOS.

[URL]http://www.hustlermoneyblog.com/citibank-citigold-checking-american-airlines-aadvantage-bonus-miles/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1831173]No foreign exchange fees on the State Farm Account. Acts the same way as the Schwab ATM. I use both to fund myself in my 3 month stays here (Thailand, Issan land).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1833863]Thanks for info. Will look into that as another backup account. I checked today and did get the full refund of 500 thb which schwab credited 13.81 back on the 1st. Was still worth a couple months of fees at citi for all the AA miles I got from opening and funding account. If you are looking to collect miles it is a good value even with a few months of fees waiting for miles to post. Looks like they just upped it to 50 k miles from the 30 k I got, probably cause AA is devaluing their chart in March. Still though miles work well to fly cathay to LOS.

[URL]http://www.hustlermoneyblog.com/citibank-citigold-checking-american-airlines-aadvantage-bonus-miles/[/URL][/QUOTE]There has always been a 50 k reward, you just have to find the right link to click on. Sometimes you have to log into your airmile account first and then click the link, sometimes it takes several tries and clearing the browsing history. What's great about AA is you can fly to europe in the off season for 40 k airmiles, only 36 k (4 k refunded) if you use their personal mastercard to pay the taxes. They only fly to Hong Kong and the cheapest I found was 70 k roundtrip (63 k after refund). Too many miles for a flight that doesn't get you to Bangkok. Now if you ever sign up for a United account, make sure you add your favorite imaginary friend to your account upon applying and you'll get 55 k after your spending (50 k + 5 k). But you need 80 k to get you to Bangkok with United now (a ripoff).

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1831088] Thanks for you input Breadman. I just checked with a bank representative. $1000 is the default max withdrawal per day, but it can be increased by talking with a Schwab representative. There is NO LIMIT to the number of withdrawals allowed per day.
BTW, always notify the bank by phone a week before your trip of your travel itinerary. I failed to do this on my first trip using my Schwab ATM card and could not withdraw funds for the first few days I was in Jakarta. The situation was rectified with a free Skype call. It was a good thing I also had a Capital One 360 ATM card for back up and a wad of cash. I never had another problem with this card. NB.[/QUOTE]Can be done online also.

With the Schwab account, login to your account. Make sure you are on the SUMMARY page. On the middle right side of the page there are additional options, one of those is a debit card travel notification. You can use that to notify them of travel plans.

Same goes for Capital one 360.

I usually travel with 5 or 6 cards, credit and debit. Always be prepared.

Pay attention to the travel notification length of time! You may need to repeat it if you are travelling for 2 months or longer.

Chase bank does +3% after adjusted exchange rate and an additional $5 dollar charge if using an ATM. This is for a premiere plus account.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1834180]
I usually travel with 5 or 6 cards, credit and debit. Always be prepared.
[/QUOTE]I agree. Plenty of backups is essential. I have 2 Thai bank accounts, two Farang accounts and 2 credit cards.

Notification is a bit too much for me. I just notify them once that I am in permanent travel state to multiple countries, including Thailand, Asia and Europe E.U. , sometimes USA.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1834446]

Notification is a bit too much for me. I just notify them once that I am in permanent travel state to multiple countries, including Thailand, Asia and Europe E.U. , sometimes USA.[/QUOTE]I agree, but I would stress to everybody to ALWAYS tell your bank if you are travelling anywhere.

Any bank that is serious about protecting you and your money will see flags if there is suddenly a withdrawal from an ATM in any country other than your home country tht you have not told them about, and you run the risk and inconvenience of them freezing your card and your account whilst they contact you to verify if it is a valid withdrawal.

If you're not checking emails regularly or your phone is not in roaming mode then a blocked card can get quite irritating even though it is actually good service by the bank and can protect you against lots of hardships down the line.

My card was frozen once several years ago when I forgot to tell my bank I was in Vietnam but thankfully I had another back-up to tide me over until it was resolved. Nowadays it is high priority on my "to-do" list to tell my bank before I leave home.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1834472]I agree, but I would stress to everybody to ALWAYS tell your bank if you are travelling anywhere.

Any bank that is serious about protecting you and your money will see flags if there is suddenly a withdrawal from an ATM in any country other than your home country tht you have not told them about, and you run the risk and inconvenience of them freezing your card and your account whilst they contact you to verify if it is a valid withdrawal.

If you're not checking emails regularly or your phone is not in roaming mode then a blocked card can get quite irritating even though it is actually good service by the bank and can protect you against lots of hardships down the line.

My card was frozen once several years ago when I forgot to tell my bank I was in Vietnam but thankfully I had another back-up to tide me over until it was resolved. Nowadays it is high priority on my "to-do" list to tell my bank before I leave home.[/QUOTE]Around six or seven years ago Schwab put a security hold on my ATM card when I tried to withdraw funds from an ATM in Bangkok; as part of the process of having the security hold removed, I explained to their rep that I travel overseas very often. Since then I have never informed Schwab of my travel plans and haven't had a single security hold put on my account over the course of a hundred or so overseas ATM withdrawals. I suppose I should add "knock on wood."

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1834521]. . . as part of the process of having the security hold removed, I explained to their rep that I travel overseas very often. Since then I have never informed Schwab of my travel plans and haven't had a single security hold put on my account over the course of a hundred or so overseas ATM withdrawals. I suppose I should add "knock on wood."[/QUOTE]I have done the same LA G. I asked HSBC to flag my account as a frequent traveller overseas but. . . I live in the Philippines so if anything can go wrong it will, so I double up every time and inform them. Maybe it's overkill but it removes the "knock-on-wood" aspect (perhaps?)

Banks locked my Credit Card more than once because Lufthansa stupidly tried a 1 cent transaction on my account to test the Credit Card number. Banks viewed this as very suspicious, perhaps fraudulent test of a credit card number. Of course then the subsequent real air ticket payment on the card failed. Very annoying indeed.

Was useless to try to tell Lufthansa not to do that. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1834538]I have done the same LA G. I asked HSBC to flag my account as a frequent traveller overseas but. . . I live in the Philippines so if anything can go wrong it will, so I double up every time and inform them. Maybe it's overkill but it removes the "knock-on-wood" aspect (perhaps?)[/QUOTE]Maybe the algorithms the banks use these days are better than before at keeping track of one's travel profile, but five or more years ago Chase would often put security holds on my credit cards after I informed then about my travel plans and then used their cards overseas. I went through two or three iterations of canceling my Chase credit cards in total frustration over this (I had more than one) and then at a later date reapplying based on new card bonuses being offered (this was back when you could cancel and later get a new "new card" bonus with each cancel / new card cycle); i had he same problem with American Express, to the point where they once delivered a new card to me in Japan, and then put a security hold on it three times consecutively when I used it in Japan, cleared the hold, and then used it in Japan again. These days I haven't had the security hold problem with Chase, Schwab, American Express, or Capital One cards, despite that I never give them travel notices. But for me, at least in the past, providing my travel plans did not necessarily mean an absence of security holds when I used my cards overseas.

I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.

The good Points:

1. Driver has monthly salary.
2. Always use the meter.
3. Accept all customers. You can just get in without talking about your destination first. No negotiation.
4. Car uses petrol but far less than normal car. Maybe 50%.
5. Smooth driving is encouraged.
6. Devious high cost routes should not occur. Merely tell the driver if you want to get there as cheap as possible or as quick as possible.
7. Quiet vehicle as petrol engine does not run when car is stationary, and low speeds tend to use only quiet electric motor.
8. Modern new vehicles. 600 of them. A further 2500 will be added soon.
9. They even have some female drivers.
10. Camera in taxi to monitor driver is working properly as he should.

Don't talk to drivers of parked taxis, that rush to you, is my advice. Waste of time and money. If you see an All Thai Taxi with white map of Thailand on blue square background and dark yellow Toyota Prius (different style to normal taxis) passing, I suggest pick that one. The Taxi Meter sign on top is a bit different also.

If you have your special private taxi driver that you like (green and yellow vehicles mostly), fine.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1838006]I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.
The good Points:
[/QUOTE]I forgot the downside:

Only 1 in every 100 or more taxis is an All Thai Taxi, and then it might not be available. You have to get lucky. In a less desirable location, the ratio may be better. I saw 2 go past walking to local 7 eleven and back.

I caught one 3 times partially by luck and partially by design. I have not used a taxi anything like 300 times. 30 times in 3 weeks would be more realistic. Obviously chances increase when several passing taxis say, no, they don't want to go to my home, past On Nut.

I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.

Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.

My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.

After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).

We agreed on 1.000 Baht in total. She asked me to pay in advance and stupid me did so. The massage began and wasn't really good. A lot of times she massaged me with only one hand. That not only disturbed me but also gave me a bad feeling because I wanted to know what she did with her other hand. My clothes were on a hanger on the wall. She could easily have her hand inside my pants and grab my wallet. I really thought about checking my stuff in that moment but decided not to because of the Thai lose-face-shit. But I turned my head to the side of the wall so I could see my clothes. After a while she massaged my neck again and turned my head to the other side. Okay, now I was pretty sure. I thought the next time she would massage me with only one hand I would turn around and she would be caught in the act. To my surprise she always used two hands for the last 2 or 3 minutes.

After that the flip was next. HJ was okay and I could see my clothes. I wasn't worried then anymore.

After I finished I got dressed and walked out of the room. I wanted to give her a tip because she worked hard to make me cum. As I took my wallet out I realized that several 1. 000 Baht-bills were missing. Now I really got angry and confronted her, for a moment I didn't care if anybody would lose his or her face.

She acted like she wouldn't understand what I was talking about. That made me even more angry but I tried to calm down. I told her that I was missing about 8.000 Baht, at least 7. 000 Baht and the money disappeared during the massage. She walked me back to the room and acted like she would help me to look for the money.

I couldn't stay calm now. I told her that she turned my head, played loud music (I forgot to mention that) and only used one hand for the most time of the massage. Shouldn't I get my money back I would call the police.

"Police" was the magic word. Suddenly she wanted to talk to her colleagues, maybe someone sneaked in and stole the money. They went back to the massage-room. Meanwhile another colleague asked me what happened and I told her the story.

After a while the colleagues came out of the room and asked me to enter it. There was my masseuse waiting and gave me 5.000 Baht. She told me, one colleague stole it but she didn't understand her why and how she took it and it would have been only 5. 000 Baht, no more. Of course that's complete bullshit in both points. There was no way she wouldn't recognize it with my clothes about half a meter away from her.

I told her calmly that there still would be missing 2 or 3 1.000 Baht-bills. She then acted to be total desperate and opened her purse where. Of course. Only the one bill was I gave her in advance. I should take it if I'm sure that it were more than that 5.000. I was sure so I took it.

So I got back 6.000 of the 8.000 Baht I thought were missing. Later in my room I tried to figure out how much money I had before I withdrew at the ATM, if I calculated right it's been even 10.000 Baht missing. So I paid about 4.000 Baht for a shitty massage, a HJ and a lot of trouble! Another lesson lerned.

That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.

[QUOTE=TravelA;1839370]I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.

Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.

My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.

After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).

We agreed on 1.000 Baht in total. She asked me to pay in advance and stupid me did so. The massage began and wasn't really good. A lot of times she massaged me with only one hand. That not only disturbed me but also gave me a bad feeling because I wanted to know what she did with her other hand. My clothes were on a hanger on the wall. She could easily have her hand inside my pants and grab my wallet. I really thought about checking my stuff in that moment but decided not to because of the Thai lose-face-shit. But I turned my head to the side of the wall so I could see my clothes. After a while she massaged my neck again and turned my head to the other side. Okay, now I was pretty sure. I thought the next time she would massage me with only one hand I would turn around and she would be caught in the act. To my surprise she always used two hands for the last 2 or 3 minutes.

After that the flip was next. HJ was okay and I could see my clothes. I wasn't worried then anymore.

After I finished I got dressed and walked out of the room. I wanted to give her a tip because she worked hard to make me cum. As I took my wallet out I realized that several 1. 000 Baht-bills were missing. Now I really got angry and confronted her, for a moment I didn't care if anybody would lose his or her face.

She acted like she wouldn't understand what I was talking about. That made me even more angry but I tried to calm down. I told her that I was missing about 8.000 Baht, at least 7. 000 Baht and the money disappeared during the massage. She walked me back to the room and acted like she would help me to look for the money.

I couldn't stay calm now. I told her that she turned my head, played loud music (I forgot to mention that) and only used one hand for the most time of the massage. Shouldn't I get my money back I would call the police.

"Police" was the magic word. Suddenly she wanted to talk to her colleagues, maybe someone sneaked in and stole the money. They went back to the massage-room. Meanwhile another colleague asked me what happened and I told her the story.

After a while the colleagues came out of the room and asked me to enter it. There was my masseuse waiting and gave me 5.000 Baht. She told me, one colleague stole it but she didn't understand her why and how she took it and it would have been only 5. 000 Baht, no more. Of course that's complete bullshit in both points. There was no way she wouldn't recognize it with my clothes about half a meter away from her.

I told her calmly that there still would be missing 2 or 3 1.000 Baht-bills. She then acted to be total desperate and opened her purse where. Of course. Only the one bill was I gave her in advance. I should take it if I'm sure that it were more than that 5.000. I was sure so I took it.

So I got back 6.000 of the 8.000 Baht I thought were missing. Later in my room I tried to figure out how much money I had before I withdrew at the ATM, if I calculated right it's been even 10.000 Baht missing. So I paid about 4.000 Baht for a shitty massage, a HJ and a lot of trouble! Another lesson lerned.

That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.[/QUOTE]While some very nice ladyboys exist, LBs are known to be much more devious and tricky than regular girls. Can't be trusted unless you know them well. LB pick pockets very common.

I would suggest using well known reliable MPs. If trying some unusual place, leave the wallet in Hotel safe and take just enough money.

Another possibility is to hide the money somewhere really strange while girl is not present. I have sometimes done that with bargirls that I don't know, just to be sure. Then if she checked my pants while I was showering, would find nothing. I leave door open so I can see the girl almost all the time.

We always have to try to avoid these problems before they happen. As not experienced in Thailand we can become too complacent.

So stay away from groups of ladyboys. Use highly recommened places and be aware of possible scams to be avoided. Leave wallet behind when not needed.

I never leave wallet behind but am not visiting risky places, in my estimation. I don't keep more than necessary in wallet, mostly and never a fortune. Its possible to lose a wallet without help too.

You could have had less than 5000 in this case.

[QUOTE=TravelA;1839370]I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I didn't find an Hua Hin thread.

Made some rookie-mistakes today. I am not in Hua Hin for mongering so probably that's the reason why I dropped my guard.

My Hotel is about 5 km outside of Hua Hin with no ATM around. Been in Hua Hin tonight for Dinner so I used the opportunity to withdraw money from an ATM. Took 10.000 Baht.

After that I suddenly had the idea to get a massage. I really just wanted a legit massage after traveling a lot in recent days so went into the next best massage parlor and asked for a Thai massage. Was led into the room and the lady without hesitation asked me if I want to have extras. As I wasn't sure if the Lady was a Ladyboy I didn't want to have FS but only a HJ (2 of her colleagues were definitely Ladyboys but that's not the point).

That massage parlor by the way is if you walk Soi Selakam heading east and turn right at Murphy's. It's the 2nd shop on the right hand side. Name of the masseuse was something like Nuik.[/QUOTE]Very sad to hear that. Something similar happened to me on my stay in Bangkok last week. I have no problems to take the name of the Hotel, its LE Fenix Sukhumvit. The only difference if the incident happened at my hotel. I booked this hotel through their website providing my CC information. On arriving the reception man was blunt face and rude and started asking me to pay the full amount up-front, to which I denied as I didn't have enough Thai Baht, and it was 2 am. The room was smelly with cigarette smoke. The morning my key card stopped working, when I went to reception I know they blocked it so that I come down and pay. I expresses my displeasure to which they did not respond. There was no breakfast as stated, just a box with few breads and so I denied. The gym was crappy, no drinking water, half broken equipment and no attendant. Enough about the hotel. Lets come to the main part.

There was a safe in the room, with pass code, which I used for keeping my passport, some important documents and my cash (USD). Thinking it safe I never carried the cash outside with me, instead a few bills that I would change for Thai baht. My mistake every time I return to my room, I didn't count the balance cash. I never thought of it as it was in the safe used by my own 4 digit pass code. The last day due to short time, I was in rush to checkout. I took my passport cash and other stuff and left the hotel. On the taxi, way to the airport, when I counted the cash, exactly $600 was missing from total of $5200. I have changed ($200 x 3 times = $600) and left cash I had was $4000. Now I kept thinking all the way about it and I am very sure no one would have access to my cash nor I ever got drunk and spend the cash by mistake, or someone might have stolen on the way, there was no possibility whatsoever. It was too late for me to go back as I would miss the flight, and anyway they would deny it. I do remember one instance in 2014 when I stayed in Citadines in Suk-8, my room safe was locked when I check in and the staff brought in a machine to unlock it. They said the previous guest forgot to unlock it when they left, so they need to use this machine to unlock for me. They made me sign in their register, that they did this operation in front of me. I clearly remember when they connected the electronic un-locking device to the safe to override the pass code, it actually displayed the pass code which was used last and then unlocked it. So now I am not sure actually what had happened in my case. Since I have no evidence now I can not claim nor can I blame anyone except myself that I trusted the hotel and the safe to keep my valuables. What makes me more suspicious is that if someone took out some amount leaving the rest, it would be less suspicious than taking all of them hence get risked of being caught sooner. Whatever might had happened I have learned my lesson too, that I won't trust the hotel staff or their safe anymore.

Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).

[URL]https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBY[/URL]

[QUOTE=PerezPerez;1840448]There was a safe in the room, with pass code, which I used for keeping my passport, some important documents and my cash (USD). Thinking it safe I never carried the cash outside with me, instead a few bills that I would change for Thai baht. My mistake every time I return to my room, I didn't count the balance cash.[/QUOTE]When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.

My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1840495]Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).

[URL]https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBY[/URL][/QUOTE]Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.

[QUOTE=Allover;1840722]When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.

My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.[/QUOTE]What happens if there's some trouble with the card? Cash is King. You can take your safe stuff wrap it up in a plastic bag and tape it up. Make notes on it. Clear tape is easy to carry and comes in handy for traveling anyway.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1838006]I have used All Thai Taxis at least 3 times. Modern new Toyota Prius Hybrid. See picture.

The good Points:

1. Driver has monthly salary.
2. Always use the meter.
3. Accept all customers. You can just get in without talking about your destination first. No negotiation.
4. Car uses petrol but far less than normal car. Maybe 50%.
5. Smooth driving is encouraged.
6. Devious high cost routes should not occur. Merely tell the driver if you want to get there as cheap as possible or as quick as possible.
7. Quiet vehicle as petrol engine does not run when car is stationary, and low speeds tend to use only quiet electric motor.
8. Modern new vehicles. 600 of them. A further 2500 will be added soon.
9. They even have some female drivers.
10. Camera in taxi to monitor driver is working properly as he should.

Don't talk to drivers of parked taxis, that rush to you, is my advice. Waste of time and money. If you see an All Thai Taxi with white map of Thailand on blue square background and dark yellow Toyota Prius (different style to normal taxis) passing, I suggest pick that one. The Taxi Meter sign on top is a bit different also.

If you have your special private taxi driver that you like (green and yellow vehicles mostly), fine.[/QUOTE]They are pretty small for luggage.

[QUOTE=Allover;1840725]Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.[/QUOTE]Probably. I suspect many / most of them were.

[QUOTE=Allover;1840722]When I leave cash in an in room safe, I always leave a large piece of paper with the amount written on it. Whenever I withdraw money from my safe I write the new balance on it. It lets a potential thief know I'm keeping track of my money and it also helps me know how much I am spending. I would hate to falsely accuse someone of stealing my money and it is easy to lose track of what was left in the safe. A hotel thief knows when you are checking out. Stealing your money on your last night is a good idea for them They know you have a flight to catch and are in a hurry. Most people with a flight to catch won't call the police if they are only missing a few hundred dollars.

My paper idea won't prevent all thefts but it might help. A better idea is to get a debit card with no fees (Charles Schwab or others), visit ATMs more often, and keep less in the safe. What if they broke in to the safe and stole as few thousand dollars? That would ruin my trip.[/QUOTE]Your method is good for keeping self track of your spending and being known with your left over cash, but I don't think it might discourage or prevent any potential thief who have already got access to your safe. Anyway I travel often, so I have no choice. I will be more careful from next time, and try to keep min cash with me. If I am not going to any risky area the better idea would be to keep them with me. I would have to take the risk of either leaving it at the hotel or carrying it all along with me. Seems no choice.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1840832]They are pretty small for luggage.[/QUOTE]Put luggage on the back seat. Sit in the front. I always sit in the front. How much luggage have you got?

Okay Too small for a family with luggage.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1840833]Probably. I suspect many / most of them were.[/QUOTE]The girl that is in bed with me right now does not have the square shoulders that many in those pictures had.

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1840495]Some pretty Thai girls in a short video. I like them all but the one in the red dress half way the video has a very nice face (and some hidden extras).

[URL]https://youtu.be/vGLtiSt0QBY[/URL][/QUOTE]I see the modern trend is to have a video reviewing the big sports game, even though no actual video coverage of the game is included and only still pics. I think it's annoying. Why not have just written text and still pics imbedded if relevant?

I maybe a dinosaur, but why do still pictures need to be made into a video and with music (too loud) and zooming? It's a bit gimmicky for me. I prefer still pics, so can quickly skip over the not so pretty ones, and see them all at once. Chews less bandwidth as well. If it is a video, I would prefer it to have no sound myself. It's just a distraction and have to hunt for the volume control.

Most girls were good looking indeed and half were my type with small face, upturned nose, and stunning. Thank god not much obvious fake noses too. Very Good indeed.

Only number 2 girl was ordinary looking to me. Just not my type. Not sure why she made the top ten.

Did you take the original still pics yourself, or borrow them? Do you know for certain that all are Thai girls? I can't really tell from stills if any could possibly be LBs. If so, they must be amazingly pretty ones. I agree the girl in red looks the most suspicious (nose and shoulders).

Girl at 1:10, then girl at 1:02 in that order.

I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".

Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.

Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840888]I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".

Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.

Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?[/QUOTE]Seeing this is in English and Thai girls don't speak good English, it is a problem. I wonder if Google translate spat that out. So I wonder what Thai phrase was used to translate to "take care of me". I have never seen this phrase from a hooker or my Thai GFs.

Shy Thai girls do love to speak indirectly using Euphemisms rather than to say to come and fuck me. To be honest, I don't know what she means. Whether it is look after her sexually or help her out with the rent that is due, or both. Could mean to become her boyfriend / sponsor on an ongoing basis at worst case.

I guess you just have to show up, start some kissing, and say to her you don't really understand what she meant in the message. If she just wants sex you may be very relieved. Chances of that? Maybe less than 30%. She probably is looking for commitment even if no money initially. It's so easy to pick up a Thai GF accidentally.

What percentage of modern girls are just looking for a fuck without romance as well? I don't know. I am too old.

Bargirls, Massage girls, Girlfriends, wives, they are all very much the same. Eat money. My GF costs me a lot of money because she has no job. For a long time her efforts were needed to look after her sick father. Even if she had a low paid job, would still use plenty of money. Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.

Another girl, I would really have liked to be my wife or GF, would have been even more expensive to "take care of". Her monthly expenditure was very high, originally supported by P4P and now supported by some very rich guy.

Don't get too far into something too quickly, unless its just a pussy.

I know when Chinese civies girls in the clubs say "I need you to take care of me." they mean they need you to fuck the shit out of them every night, make sure of their physical safety, security and getting money from you without losing face. Most Chinese civies in ShenZhen clubs are too proud to ever ask for money from sex partners, but most guys know they are expected to give the girl the going rate of 1,000 RMB in the morning after breakfast.

With Thai girls, when they ask if you will take care of them even though they are not bar girls, they mean they don't want to lose face and will not outright ask for money in exchange for sex like bar girls, but still expect you to take care of their money needs at the same level or even higher. It's just a hint for money with face saving. They are hoping that you will play the generous guy and pay them much higher than the cheap hos.

Try to give her 1,000 baht for taxi in the morning and wait to see what she would do next!

Pussies are never free!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840888]I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".

Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.

Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1840892]It's so easy to pick up a Thai GF accidentally.[/QUOTE]You are fucking telling me. The one I have now was by accident. Luckily when I met her and she first came over unannounced I nipped that shit in the bud. When I got here the other day she was home in Buriram because her job is closed for a month for renovation plus het mom has been in the hospital. I could not have been happier. Mom is doing better and can eat now so what does she do yesterday? Come right back to Pattaya. Dammit.

Last night the security guy was asking me where is your girlfriend because they always talk. I said man I don't have a girlfriend. The girl that is in my bed now said when she got here last night the security guy asked if she was here to see me. Well of the few foreigners in my building I am the only one who does not live with a chick. The Thai guys who live here are mooching off their girls and the rest of the chicks who live here are toms, most living with their girls. So that pretty much narrows it down.

She will be over soon because I have to go renew my license and the registration for my bike and she wants to go with me. I got to kick this chick out before she gets here. My girlfriend is great; it is just that I am not the settling down type.

Are you fucking serious. I get the girl up and out of here and she leaves her damn telephone. Luckily I was on hair cleanup detail and saw it on the nightstand. Now to take the battery out of this damn thing. You gotta be shittin me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840888]Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?[/QUOTE]When spoken by a Thai woman, "you can take care of me" almost certainly does not mean the guy should take care of her sexually. It is a soft / polite indication she expects material / financial assistance in some form, at some point.

If she says "I take care of you", however, may well mean that she'll address your sexual needs. No, Thailand is not an big on gender equality.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840900]
Are you fucking serious. I get the girl up and out of here and she leaves her damn telephone. Luckily I was on hair cleanup detail and saw it on the nightstand. Now to take the battery out of this damn thing. You gotta be shittin me.[/QUOTE]If you have a serious GF, you cannot fuck anyone else where you live. The evidence will be found sooner or later. I use Hotels, mostly the ST variety, or on premises at MPs.

Even the GF doesn't find evidence, someone else will blab and tell her you have been fucking around. It's better if your apartment complex believes you are not playing the field.

I recommend that you do not monger right in front of GF's face. My GF for sure knows I play up, and seems acceptable to her, if not too obvious, and not too serious. I do not keep condoms in the house any more. Too risky. Means I have to buy condoms and lube almost every time I monger. A nuisance, but safer than having condoms and lube found in my jeans pocket.

Even returning from an MP, there is a risk GF will smell unusual soap on you, or find you to be rather too clean. Some girls are like detectives. My current GF is not the detective type. A previous one was. Obviously various Apps on my phone have to be protected by a pattern to unlock.

Years ago, when first met the GF, someone reported to her seeing me with another girl around Nana area. Possibly her brother? Was true as well. She was very upset at the time, but later got over it. I could only explain that I was not fully committed to her at the time. Amazingly bad luck, but I risk these things very regularly. Try not to be seen to much in public with hookers, but have been seen just outside the Asoke Place ST hotel with a girl by local Sports Pub staff, so nothing is totally safe. My GF won't be going to the Sports Pub fortunately.

Interesting analysis by Crodilexp. He may have it sussed out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840888]I have been around a while now but this phrase take care of me still escapes me. Last month I met a girl in a massage parlor. She was finishing her massage when I was starting mine. She does hair. We have been talking everyday. Last night she asked me if I would take care of her but she did not explain what that means. (see attached convo). I did not figure it was about money because she added, "I am not a bar girl. ".

Years ago I was seeing a chick in Bangkok and she would always say I never take care of her but she also would never explain what that meant.

Is there anybody here who can explain to me what "take care of me" means when a Thai woman says it?[/QUOTE]As Mr. Croc said, when a Thai lady (BG or non-BG) uses the euphemism "take care" (meaning the man will take care of her) it always means financially, often long-term. In specific contexts it can mean assist, supervise, etc. , as in "when we go to Hua Hin, my daughter can take care of Mom. ".

When she uses "take care" as in I take care of you, it's always sexual, unless the context is obviously otherwise, as in "You're sick, I will take care of you. " I note that I've only heard BGs use this. My non-BG GF has never used that euphemism toward me regarding sex. When sick, yes.

Case in point, years ago I called a Pattaya fave from my hotel. No answer. She called back a bit later. "Hi, what were you doing?" "I take care falang. " And once, in a Loy Kroh bar the hostess admitted to being 17. I quickly lost interest, she got a bit irked and said "17 old enough to take care!

Okay. I finally broke down and asked my girlfriend (that I have never given 1 baht to in the 8 months that I have known her and who is a cashier in a Walking Street gogo bar) what does it mean when a Thai woman tells a man to take care of her. She had no idea what it meant. After 5 minutes of back and forth I suggested she call a friend to ask.

She put me on with the friend and in summary the friend said that it means the same things that it means when a western woman talks about a man being there for her. (I first heard this phrase with my girlfriend my first year at the university and had no earthly idea what it meant then either.) It seemed to pretty much be an emotional thing. In the 2 minutes that I let her ramble on before I gave the phone back to my girlfriend she said absolutely nothing about money, gifts, or other material things.

Now to go to the Philippines thread and ask. When I picked up a chick at the disco in Angeles last month her friend said, "Take care of my friend okay?" I undoubtedly took that to mean give her money seeing that I was in a hooker pick-up spot. But maybe I was wrong!

Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1840892]Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.[/QUOTE]I have found this to be true the very hard way. So if someone is contemplating more than just pussy fun, you should read and re-read that often because it is the truth.

No matter how expensive a P4 P girl is, she is cheaper than the same girl as a GF, of even a bit lower beauty GF.

Not only do they take the money, they also take your time (which is worth more than money) and get your emotions messed up sometimes which also makes you less productive (less money!) than you could be.

Some P4 P girls give better GFE than real girlfriends (especially after the "honeymoon" period ends), and you can change to a new one any time with no drama.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1841030]Okay. I finally broke down and asked my girlfriend (that I have never given 1 baht to in the 8 months that I have known her and who is a cashier in a Walking Street gogo bar) what does it mean when a Thai woman tells a man to take care of her. She had no idea what it meant. After 5 minutes of back and forth I suggested she call a friend to ask.

She put me on with the friend and in summary the friend said that it means the same things that it means when a western woman talks about a man being there for her. (I first heard this phrase with my girlfriend my first year at the university and had no earthly idea what it meant then either.) It seemed to pretty much be an emotional thing. In the 2 minutes that I let her ramble on before I gave the phone back to my girlfriend she said absolutely nothing about money, gifts, or other material things[/QUOTE]You have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.

Only the guys here are admitting indirectly it means.

Money. If you meet a girl well paid that costs you less than P4 P, you are doing quite well.

Anyway at least it seems to be well agreed that she does not mean come over and fuck her brains out. Does not mean that sex is not possible. However cross that bridge when the time comes.

I had an ex GF who was a chef. She did not earn that much so I took all the bills and rent etc. I could have lived far cheaper alone and the relationship was not a sexual success. Was more like living with a very close sister. Definitely cost me significant money. She is still like a sister to this day although has become harder to put up with for great amounts of time. She relies on me for help still, not financial but using my time. She has a lot of money now as not have to spend that much in the years she lived with me. No bad habits. LOL except for nagging of course and wanting to tell me a lot of repetitious boring shit about her problems. I have to be there for her even if not physically in the same country. LOL I have to look after her somewhat. She will call me any time she has a problem.

[QUOTE=MrHappyFeet;1841098]Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF[/QUOTE]If by "German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club" you mean a club that charges you a fixed amount and then you can have sex with as many of the ladies present as you want (or rather can), sometimes even "in the open" with many participants at the same time, then I think you are looking in the wrong country.

Contrary to what many think, Thai are quite conservative in sexual matters. "Orgies" are not something that fits well with the average Thai.

I remember a story of some European swinger couples who organised on a semi-regular basis swinger-parties in Bangkok (or was it Pattaya? After a few parties the Police raided their place and send them all back home to Europe. It wasn't entirely clear on what basis such parties are forbidden as there was no prostitution involved. Probably something as vague of "open debauchery" or "public nuisance", although the parties happened in their apartment.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1841105]I have found this to be true the very hard way. [/QUOTE]As did I. WTF was I thinking!

[QUOTE=MrHappyFeet;1841098]Does anyone know of a German-Style PartyTreff or orgy style sex club in BKK or Thailand? I am sure some of you have traveled through Frankfurt and experienced the FKK or Partytreff. I am hoping to find something close to that in Thailand or nearby countries. If anybody has information please share.

Thanks,

MHF[/QUOTE]Your request is a bit too solution oriented. You should try to specify what things would be exciting and we could comment on how something like that could be arranged.

I have taken as many as 3 girls at a time to my hotel room, and we had a mini orgy. I did not need any other guys but you could have a buddy or two join in if desired. Anything is possible for a price, if the girls understand what they are agreeing to and the price. I recommend selecting girls quite used to performing sex with other persons present. Otherwise girls can be too shy. I used to use girls who do lesbian show at Suzi Wong, and my "orgies" were satisfactory for me. admiral premier was my favourite hotel where they did not blink when took 3 girls to my room, however I was a regular customer at the time. Could have a shortage of towels, so call to reception to ask for additional towels.

Getting this as cheap as Party Treff is quite doubtful, however 3 girls for 2 hours would not break the bank. 6000 Baht could well be possible, given that girls are sharing the work load. If extra guys, the price might go up. 2 hours or all night will be the best deals from a value for money basis.

As for FKK similarity, there are bars where many of the girls are dancing completely nude on a raised stage with good lighting, so you can see their bodies fully and clearly. Some of the girls wander around the bar completely nude. I like this. It's the nearest thing to FKK, perhaps better, as can have girls sit with you for a period to check out the chemistry, merely buying them a drink or two, till you are sure you want to fuck them. It is going to cost you 100 Euros to take a girl away for short time sex, including drinks and barfine, however you can get more than an hour with them, perhaps two hours sometimes. There is no guarantee about the girl's service. She might not know how to do a good BJ. It's a roll of the dice.

Crazy House has best looking girls for me, where Suzi Wong girls on average perform better and are less dick scared (many are young mothers). I had very few really crap girls at Suzi Wong. At CH, it was more like 50/50 so I tend to repeat good girls a lot, to improve my success rate.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1841157]You have received the female perspective. Where she is thinking of a committment, not just a one off thing. She doesn't want to admit that could mean money. However the girl in question is not rich. Sooner or later she will need your financial support on some way as well. All Thai girls do. Its then just a question of degree.[/QUOTE]Of course I received the female perspective because that is the gender that the phrase I was questioning originates from. That is why I asked what females mean when they say. I did not ask what males think females mean. A male "perspective" would only be an assumption or interpretation. I could have given my own assumption without bothering the board about it and been wrong. But I wanted to consult and see what experience or info others had gathered during their Thailand times. Why would she not want to admit that it could mean money had that been the case? Do you think they can psychologically or subliminally extract money from me without verbalizing it? I don't just go around passing out money to chicks on the sole basis that we are fucking, unless I know her to be a prostitute.

I disagree that Thai girls will sooner or later need a guy's financial support. I have dealt with a myriad of women here in Thailand and the ones who are not known hookers I have not given 1 baht. And some of those I am still involved with years down the road. And some that I have cut off are still trying to get back in with me. My present girlfriend did not even have a job when I met her 8 months ago and she has never asked me for anything. No birthday gift, no valentines gift, no buy her something to eat, no nothing. Yet she is right here sleeping with her arm around me as she will do everynight if I allow it. The only thing I ever bought her was a tablet and she didn't want that.

I hurt my foot back in September and she took care of me very well while I was incapacitated. Since I met her she would always be reading books on her small ass phone so I thought a good gift to give her would be a tablet so she could enjoy reading more comfortably.

I wanted to surprise her with the tablet so I told her that I would go to the doctor alone that day. But she would not have it. She insisted on taking me as she did everyday since I hurt my foot on the scuba diving boat in Koh Tao. We left the doctor and went to Tukcom where I negotiated for the tablet in front of her, getting her opinion on it and the case. Hell she even heard the lady ask if I wanted it set up in English or Thai and I said Thai. I went upstairs and bought a 64GB memory card then we walked next door to True Move.

I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.

A guy that I know here told me that before choosing a serious chick to make sure that woman is totally down with you and not out to get money. It seems that most guys are total opposite and begin throwing money at Thai women as soon as they meet them. This is where they go wrong. Once you start off one way with a woman you can't come later and change your pattern. Pavlov even taught you that with his dogs. You ring that bell the dogs expect to eat; you ring a Thai woman's phone she expects you will give her money. You have been giving her money every week so she will start depending on that and come to expect it. You cut that off and she is likely to cut you off.

But anyway. My buddy said he met his girl and they were kicking it a while. When he decided to get serious with her, he had to put her to the test. He acted sick for a few months. Even to the point where the girl would have to wipe his ass for him. Friends would come over laughing and about to blow his cover. Some time after he was satisfied with the results of that test he decided to run another test and acted like he was out of money. His girl said that is okay baby I will go get a job. His girl went and got a job and started paying all the bills not complaining at all. When he was satisfied with the results of that test he went and married her and they have been together ever since.

So from my own experience as well as other people who I have come in contact with experiences, I totally disagree that sooner or later you will have to give a Thai woman financial support. Now if you are choosing women off of stripper poles that are 1/3 your age then of course that will be the case. If you start out paying them you can't reasonably expect them to continue on if you stop paying them. How do you figure the woman made it through life her how many ever years without you supporting her financially? Hell, she worked to earn her keep just like every other able-bodied person on this earth should be expected to do.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1840892]Having a GF is not value for money on a per fuck basis, I have found.[/QUOTE]If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1841323]If the only purpose of your GF was to fuck and you are giving her money then I guess not. You could just as well say that owning a car is not value for money on a per ride basis because it is way cheaper to take the bus. How many people would go out and ditch their car on this factor alone?[/QUOTE]If sex is the major part of a relationship it will surely fail. I agree with both of you. Having a GF is not value for money if all you are interested in is sex. If that is the case you are better off with P4 P. The sex fades; it always does. So what are you left with? If you make a smart choice then you are with someone you are compatible with, have fun with, and enjoy being around. A relationship where you give each other space as well. Sex is really far down the list. I would never choose a GF based on sex.

I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.

I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.

I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.

Any comments appreciated!

[QUOTE=Maila;1841569]Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? [/QUOTE]The girl is not there to be interested. The girl is there to get money. You never know what you have until you get her back to the room. You may have thought she would not be good because she was not all over you in the bar. Well one school of thought says that an empty wagon makes the most noise. I am sure every guy has had the girl who is all crunk at the club or the bar but when you get her alone you wonder where that girl went and who the girl is that switched places with her. Use all the strategies and methods you want to. There is only way to tell what will be, and that is to get her back to the room. You will win some and you will lose some. Just have fun playing the game.

[QUOTE=Maila;1841569]I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.

I'm strongly considering going to Pattaya for up to a week in March, and truth be told, my Phuket visit didn't turn out too well. So, that's why I am considering if I was going about it the wrong way.

Any comments appreciated![/QUOTE]My vote is you made the right call. It is one I wish I had made many times over but didn't. lol. Sure, there is always the possibility that some lackluster, non-reciprocating, non-affectionate girl in a bar will turn out to be the most loving and responsive partner you ever had when you get her alone in the room. But the likelihood of a Jekyll and Hyde transformation in THAT direction happening is very slim. Jekyll and Hyde transformations in the OTHER direction are almost commonplace. But the other way around? I wouldn't waste another minute thinking that is what I just missed out on. Her body language was giving you volumes of information whether she wanted it to or not.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1840868]The girl that is in bed with me right now does not have the square shoulders that many in those pictures had.[/QUOTE]Ah, poor baby! Looks like she is not going to leave. She seems like she will be your LT GF. Better give her a spare key man!

Now, I understand your hair cleanup detail. Anyways, Mr. ENT you rock! .

Interesting!

Your logic sounds pretty good. Perhaps it can be tried at least once. However I'm a newbie as well & I've decided to go to any club with an open mind. I'll just put my requirements in front of the girl (each & everything precisely) & any girl who I like and falls under my requirement will be barfined by me for the night. With mongering it's always a risk to choose a girl who matches your mindset, but you have to take the risk unless you want to repeat the same girl who already have matched your needs.

I'm also traveling in March to Pattaya. We both could meet & monger together with some plans / goals to understand the experiments more accurately. .

[QUOTE=Maila;1841569]I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.

I went to this cluster of bars, maybe with Tiger written in front, and I guess I was persuaded by the bar girl team to have a drink there. I was looking to, and so therefore I sat in and was joined by this one girl. I thought she was pretty and reminded me of Michaela Conlin on Bones, though she wasn't a stunner by any means (but pretty and attractive for me). I bought her a drink and she was smiling, etc. We played some of those games for a while. I might have bought her a second drink. I don't remember. I always had a hand on her back / lap, etc. But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1841312]


I gave the tablet to my girl and told her to set up an internet plan for it while I sat in the wings. She put it in her name and paid her own money to set it up and came back and told me she put the better plan for 400 baht on it. Hell I figured by then she KNEW it was for her. When we got to my place I told her to go ahead and connect the tablet to the wifi to put programs on it so as not to use up the data allotment. She said why do I need to do that? It is not for me. I could not stop laughing. I said it IS for you.

[/QUOTE]Well, Mr ENT now I know why some of your girls show up unannounced or your apt security thinks they are your GF!

I have learned through experience that however much I love being a generous guy, sometimes it is wrongly interpreted. A couple of examples from the past 2 years.

1. I had this really cute girl in Lima who I'd spent some time with and last time almost a month. The second time around I brought her a laptop (along with some fabrics specific colors etc she wanted because her mom is great at making her custom dresses). Anyways, she didn't want the laptop because she was fine with her older one. But, she wanted me to buy her shoes. I did that too (and returned the laptop at Best Buy on my return). Great, beautiful chick. But, after that she went around telling some other girls (friends and one of her cousins) that I was going to propose to her! God knows where she got that into her head, but I think girls day dream based on emotional response to stimuli from us. Well, I had to dial back real fast!

2. A couple of other stories from Puerto Plata. One cute, college girl I had been to Lifestyle resort with for a few days and then ended up spending like at least 10 total days of my 5 week visit. She was great and really, really nice. She has a kid and so I would always give her dineros (never asked and never discussed as I met her on Cupid). Anyways, over the 10 days, in addition to Lifestyle, I maybe gave her at least 20 k DR pesos, plus some other gifts like earrings, perfumes etc from the USA. One day she asks if her cousin can come to the pool and I say ok, and sure enough when the cousin arrives, she introduces me as her novio!! I'm thinking to myself, wow! How did that happen? Again, I think girls imagine what they want and then it is kind of like filling in the blanks on their own.

A few other stories very similar, well, at least 3 more in the past 2 years and I always get concerned about setting false expectations.

Funny thing, in Sao Paulo last month, a girl from a prive, beautiful, blond, 20, decides to come with me for the night to my hotel after her prive closes. By the next morning, she is already trying to pick stuff off my chest (blackhead or something). I have seen that before. When they think that really like you long term, they kinda get an image in their own mind, and often one of the clues for me is when they want to pick on something from my back, shoulder, face etc. Like some in the animal kingdom do. Even birds, chimps etc. And then, she sets my up iPhone on whatsapp and plugs her contact stuff in and then she starts whatspping me in between her customers at the prive, when she is working. To me these are all warning signs of where I feel I need to pull back or clearly reset expectations. I mean, really fun girl. Bubbly, great personality. Super Fun ! But still, you can tell when they like you and THEY want and EXPECT more. It's a darn double- edged sword man !

IF I don't, and continue after these cues or signals from the girls (and none were over 22, and I'm in my 50's and speak very few words of Spanish or Portuguese ) , then I think I have allowed false expectations to set in. So, I am now learning. BTW, I like to dance, pretty intensely, And, oftentimes, I think this is where the next day or few days later, they think they have moved on to a new level with me, when from POV, it's a normal thing for me and nothing unique or ground breaking.

The point of all this is to say that sometimes things go unsaid. Chicks draw their own conclusions about you. They imagine things (particularly at say the age of 20,21 or 22). So, now I am ever watchful for those cues and signals and careful to pull back or reset quickly or just move on totally. FWIW. YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1841644]My vote is you made the right call. It is one I wish I had made ... giving you volumes of information whether she wanted it to or not.[/QUOTE]I was thinking that, you know, if that was reflective of how all physical contact will be? I just thought I'd cut my losses.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1841577]The girl is not there to be interested.... You will win some and you will lose some. Just have fun playing the game.[/QUOTE]But, yes, Mr Enternational, you are right too. No way to know how exactly it will go. Thank you for your input.

On a related note, I've often left a bar if I was done with the girl I was sitting with. What do people do / say to get her to leave, so that you can focus your energy on someone else?

[QUOTE=Maila;1841569]But I found that she didn't for a moment reciprocate. I had made a rule of sorts then that if I was given no encouragement, then I wouldn't barfine that girl. I stuck to it and after a while, around 1 AM, said I was off. She / Mamasan acted surprised that I was going off now instead of barfining her (because I probably did look interested). Then I took off.

Now, I understand it's a judgment call, people make strategies for themselves, revise them as they go along, etc. , and different strokes for different folks, etc. But, if you had to, would you say it was probably the right or the wrong call? How to more explicitly gauge girl interest (don't want an unwilling starfish)? I'm not in the best shape these days and so, even though they are really doing it just for the money, I want to make sure that she might be somewhat of a willing partner.
[/QUOTE]Very tough question, but most likely you were right. In the end, you have to judge if their is any real chemistry. I have insisted on taking gorgeous girls that were acting reluctant in the past and found they were a disaster. So sometimes you have to take notice of a feeling that she doesn't really want to, or there is just no connection.

I have also taken girls with apparently okay Chemistry and touching levels that were crappy on the bed.

Please bear in mind that some girls are incredibly shy, and do not know how to act like they want you in public. She could have been a newbie and not used to it. Most girls are taking on a somewhat submissive role anyway, it and it certainly costs them customers. Girls that act raunchy and like want to be fucked, get more customers, even if those girls are ugly. Men seem to just like a girl that comes on to them, even if it's very fake. I am not so susceptible to that type of girl.

Please bear in mind that a very shy girl in public, can become a tiger on the bed, especially after a couple of tequilas to loosen up her control.

Hopefully you can learn to assess if chemistry is missing and the girl is really stand offish or the girl is too shy too cuddle up a bit. I would have thought the later should be rare in the modern day. Even if a girl sits on my lap to get drinks from me, it is no evidence of a real chemistry. I don't really recall much girls that don't want to touch me at all. I even get big hugs from the waitress who clearly isn't going to fuck me, but just because we are good to each other. I have been touched in the crotch area by both girls and some waitresses ( I suppose usually after a few drinks to make them frisky).

I suppose you can ask her what she feels about you. At least can see if she suggests to barfine her. If she does not suggest it, that is not a good sign, for me.

However, look there are always special reasons. The girl could be having her period, She may be intending to be at a friends birthday celebration in 1 hour from now. Her pussy may be out of action. Her regular customer may be due at the bar already but is late in arriving.

Talk to the girl. Don't be left guessing too much. If her personality and overall impression is not convincing, I have no problem to call some other girl over for a drink as well. In the end I might not BF either of them. If the first girl does not gel with me, I don't necessarily feel the need to leave and go to another bar. I just continue my hunting. Meeting a girl has no ties. Some guys talk about loss of face, but I think this is ridiculous. There is never any guarantee that any two people just meeting for the first time will feel the right level of chemistry and trust.

In my opinion, by all means entertain more than one girl, and see which one has the best feel or connection.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1841768]One day she asks if her cousin can come to the pool and I say ok, and sure enough when the cousin arrives, she introduces me as her novio!! I'm thinking to myself, wow! How did that happen?
[/QUOTE]What did you expect? That she would have introduced you to her cousin as a guy she hardly knows but that fucks her for money?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1842059]Very tough question..... In my opinion, by all means entertain more than one girl, and see which one has the best feel or connection.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that in-depth discussion. It's good know of other people's thoughts. I think there's something to be said for experience. I've found I'd rather be with a girl who's interested and gives good service vs gorgeous aloof girls who just want it over with (the word 'optifuck' from the German subforum comes to mind).

I finally booked my ticket and have cancellable reservations at VT6 and Intimate Hotel, so I need to say yea and nay to one of each, and I should be there in two weeks. Probably have a nasty flight. Going the wrong way around with a long layover. I was hoping the jet lag will mean I can be up easily at night and sleep during the day, which should work out fine.

Anyway, hopefully it will be a good week-long break. I'm booked for 7 nights, so I get some time to practice and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Maila;1841569]I have a general bar girl strategy question / "tell me if I am doing it wrong" question. This pertains to my Phuket visit in December but really the question is general. I went as a newbie to Thailand, so I wasn't sure if my strategy was good or not.


..'[/QUOTE]You never know until after you are in bed with them. I have had a few who exhibited no physical touching who turned out to give a near-GFE. Then I have had ones who were funny, attentive, all touchy, kissy and feely who turned out to be star fish. So, some girls are shy in public but will come out of their shell in your room. Others have learned they can get more business if they come on strong, showing how they really feel about you only after the deal is done back in your room.

You simply cannot know in advance.

If you like the looks of the girl and think you can get off even if she just lies there, then if you are happy with the price, go ahead and take her home. You may be pleasantly surprised. But if you think you will feel disappointed if you don't get a GFE from her, then it would be best to move on. You only have your gut to go by, and trying to second guess your decision now is pointless.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1842713]You never know until after you are in bed with them. I have had a few who exhibited no physical touching who turned out to give a near-GFE. Then I have had ones who were funny, attentive, all touchy, kissy and feely who turned out to be star fish. So, some girls are shy in public but will come out of their shell in your room. Others have learned they can get more business if they come on strong, showing how they really feel about you only after the deal is done back in your room.

You simply cannot know in advance.

If you like the looks of the girl and think you can get off even if she just lies there, then if you are happy with the price, go ahead and take her home. You may be pleasantly surprised. But if you think you will feel disappointed if you don't get a GFE from her, then it would be best to move on. You only have your gut to go by, and trying to second guess your decision now is pointless.[/QUOTE]Thank you, FL Hawk for your insight. I've been reading your posts since you first went to Phuket / Pattaya and they have provided me with a lot of useful knowledge. I'm not so much second-guessing myself now since that was months ago. I'm just wondering what I want to do (differently?) in 2 weeks when I'll be there. I think I've received some good feedback from both sides. Much appreciated!

Was just astonished to read the average length of a Vagina from opening to end is little more than 4 inches. Uterus can be detected only 3 inches in sometimes less.

Distance from front of pussy to vagina opening is not very far. Maybe 2 to 3 cm. Max. Girls can vary greatly in vagina width as well. It is very fortunate that vagina can stretch for both child birth and sex. However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1843843]Was just astonished to read the average length of a Vagina from opening to end is little more than 4 inches. Uterus can be detected only 3 inches in sometimes less.

Distance from front of pussy to vagina opening is not very far. Maybe 2 to 3 cm. Max. Girls can vary greatly in vagina width as well. It is very fortunate that vagina can stretch for both child birth and sex. However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.[/QUOTE]My main issue with Thai gals is so few do kegels and therefore have no control over their pc muscles. And after childbirth they get very loose.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1843905]My main issue with Thai gals is so few do kegels and therefore have no control over their pc muscles. And after childbirth they get very loose.[/QUOTE]Kegels? Where is this nation where women doing kegels is a normal everyday thing?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1843947]Kegels? Where is this nation where women doing kegels is a normal everyday thing?[/QUOTE]The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844043]The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.[/QUOTE]So why leave the USA if your women are so amazing? I have met only a few girls with really good pussy muscle control, worldwide, one or two being Thai. I have never fucked a USA girl, but certainly done a few South Americans, e. g. Brazil. Latinos seem to be best kissers on the planet. Whoops I have done a Puerto Rican girl with exceptional DFK and great fuck. Is that part of the US? Only a territory I see. Not a state. She wasn't quite as skinny as I like and quite tall, so way bigger than a Thai girl.

My Thai GF does have a certain amount of pussy squeeze, but I don't think it is intentional or controlled, just happens due to her getting worked up and pussy muscles convulsing. I guess it feels like the pussy tries to push the dick out sometimes, by squeezing. She goes a bit wild like that Alien girl did in the movie Species, sometimes wants to bite or claw, but fortunately is not deadly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1844120]So why leave the USA if your women are so amazing? I have met only a few girls with really good pussy muscle control, worldwide, one or two being Thai. I have never fucked a USA girl, but certainly done a few South Americans, e. g. Brazil. Latinos seem to be best kissers on the planet. Whoops I have done a Puerto Rican girl with exceptional DFK and great fuck. Is that part of the US? Only a territory I see. Not a state. She wasn't quite as skinny as I like and quite tall, so way bigger than a Thai girl.

My Thai GF does have a certain amount of pussy squeeze, but I don't think it is intentional or controlled, just happens due to her getting worked up and pussy muscles convulsing. I guess it feels like the pussy tries to push the dick out sometimes, by squeezing. She goes a bit wild like that Alien girl did in the movie Species, sometimes wants to bite or claw, but fortunately is not deadly.[/QUOTE]Why? Women in the US are huge. And you cannot have the volume you can in Asia. Puerto Rico is a territory.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844155]Why? Women in the US are huge. And you cannot have the volume you can in Asia. Puerto Rico is a territory.[/QUOTE]I have never bought that arguement. All women in the USA are not huge and there are huge women in Thailand as well. It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844180]I have never bought that arguement. All women in the USA are not huge and there are huge women in Thailand as well. It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.[/QUOTE]I never dated a huge woman in the states. In fact, all my long terms were gym rats along with me. The obesity levels there are frightening. Just check the statistics. 35% of Americans over 20 are obese and 69% are overweight. What passes for "sexy" and "curvy" these days, I consider fat.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844180]It may be better to say the only women I am able to get in the USA are the huge ones.[/QUOTE]I agree. Someone will surely be butthurt over your comment. LOL. There are plenty of good looking women in every country, including the US. I had no problems meeting attractive women last time I was there. They weren't fat or old either.

Some guys come to Thailand because they are genuinely more attracted to Asian women but the vast majority come because of price and convience. If you can't get a woman at home then you can remedy that here with a small amount of money. If you can get women at home, then you can get even more here with minimal effort. Neither of those scenarios implicitly means that ones home country has better / worse looking women.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844209]I never dated a huge woman in the states. In fact, all my long terms were gym rats along with me. The obesity levels there are frightening. Just check the statistics. 35% of Americans over 20 are obese and 69% are overweight. What passes for "sexy" and "curvy" these days, I consider fat.[/QUOTE]Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.

[URL]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001[/URL]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844043]The US. I was never with a gal in the US that did not have good control over her snatch.[/QUOTE]You probably weren't with a gal in the US. I've slept with at least 60 women here, (excluding P4 P), and never met a women who admitted to do doing Kegel exercises or had any interest in that. The only woman I've met who any espoused doing Kegel exercises was a wannabe artist student who was halfway into porn and halfway into feministic crap. She would say women are just lazy bitches who didn't do their Kegel exercises like they should. You can imagine how messed up she was, but they didn't keep her from milking a well-off friend of mine for a while. That was decades ago, and I hadn't heard any woman mention this since then. So, this stuff about control over her snatch is pure fantasy.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1844267]You probably weren't with a gal in the US. I've slept with at least 60 women here, (excluding P4 P), and never met a women who admitted to do doing Kegel exercises or had any interest in that. The only woman I've met who any espoused doing Kegel exercises was a wannabe artist student who was halfway into porn and halfway into feministic crap. She would say women are just lazy bitches who didn't do their Kegel exercises like they should. You can imagine how messed up she was, but they didn't keep her from milking a well-off friend of mine for a while. That was decades ago, and I hadn't heard any woman mention this since then. So, this stuff about control over her snatch is pure fantasy.[/QUOTE]I from the US. All my girlfriends did kegels and all their friends did them. It was a matter of pride to be able to snap that snatch at least with gals from my generation (I'm 50) So no, it's not "pure fantasy. ".

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1844240]Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.

[URL]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001[/URL][/QUOTE]I would consider the gal in the pic to be a bit on the heavy side and about at the end of my scale of doable. She has some pretty big thighs. On the other hand I don't like bone racks either. Personally I prefer gals who are well proportioned leaning to the thinner side, fit, and toned. Do "Thai girls" Google image search. Gals in the first few lines are just about perfect.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1843843]-snip-However there are limits, and I can understand that some Thai girls are just too small. Some are too large with very loose vaginas giving no sex feel. I assume this is why guys want so much anal.[/QUOTE]I like to do anal sometimes and it is totally independent of the size or looseness / tightness of a girls vagina. In fact, the very small and tight Thai ladies' asses are particularly challenging. I think it has to do with the sexual taboo.

[QUOTE=DaddySan;1844350]I like to do anal sometimes and it is totally independent of the size or looseness / tightness of a girls vagina. In fact, the very small and tight Thai ladies' asses are particularly challenging. I think it has to do with the sexual taboo.[/QUOTE]Probably has more to do with the pain!

[QUOTE=Ixgzca;1844240]Maybe you just prefer thin women? I was down under just last month and met a multitude of attractive ladies my age (20's). Some were thin some were curvy but none were what I would call fat, since I'm simply not attracted to fat women. Statistically speaking my experience would be an anomaly because the Aussie government says 63% of it's citizens are overweight. But then again, I'm almost 190cm and about 100kg so even I would be statistically overweight. However, in reality no one would ever consider me overweight. I'm big and muscular, therefore I don't fit into the century old charts what we measure optimal weight by. If you consider a girl like the one in the picture fat then I would love to be your wingman when she comes in with her bony friend..lol.

[URL]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4364.0.55.001[/URL][/QUOTE]Your pictured girl does not look like an Australian. She has big thighs but can get away with that since everything else looks great. Very difficult to find girls like that in Australia. Perhaps the young do look better than ones my age.

What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844967]What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.[/QUOTE]Never pass up an opportunity to squeeze the Farang for a free meal for the friend.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844967]What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.[/QUOTE]Sure sometimes we have to accept that she likes to chat with the gay guy more than with us. No reason at all for you to join them. Some gay guys are excellent talkers, in fact some of them cannot stop talking a lot of shit. My GF knows both gay guys and LBs.

I have found holidays with GF where additional adult people tagged along turned into disasters. Visit to a dance / beer hall where the entertainment is primary, can be okay (you can't talk to anyone in any case. Music too loud).

I reckon if your girl wants to be with some other person, best you let her go and you do something else.

Whether you are truly open minded or not, is probably quite irrelevant. However a group of three is not a "date" by western definition. It is a casual meet up.

One funny thing. One Thai girl who is a friend of my GF and her brother, is mad on a Thai man that is part of a Farang and Thai gay couple. I presume she sleeps with him too. So the supposedly gay Thai man is not completely gay. He may only be nominally gay for economic reasons (as the Farang is rich and supports him). I guess he is actually bi-sexual. Anything is possible in Thailand. Some supposedly lesbian Thai girls are known to enjoy fucking guys as well. One Thai bargirl said her Tomboy girlfriend was unaware she secretly enjoyed fucking guys as well, and did not know girl worked in the bar sometimes. Eventually she ran away with one of the male bar staff (who was already married). Scandal. LOL Plenty of Thais can happily fuck anything.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1844992]Never pass up an opportunity to squeeze the Farang for a free meal for the friend.[/QUOTE]But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.

I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.

In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844967]What is up with chicks wanting to bring their gay friend on a date with you? This is the second time that has happened to me. Chick is going to cancel the date and go do something else without saying anything and tell me because I am not open minded. What would seriously make them think that having a gay dude tag along would be acceptable? Better yet, what would even make the gay dude want to come? Who would fuck up their own action like that? Either take me AND gay guy or take nothing at all. We come as a package deal.[/QUOTE]What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.

That's messed up. Her loss!

I had a wechat girl coming to see me in Pattaya from 40 minutes away. We had sent messages over a few days. Turns out she works in a small town nearby but comes every now and then to visit (yeah right. That means she is a part-time hooker). I told her when she comes to Pattaya again, we can go out for a few drinks. A few days later, she clams she was coming to visit her sister who sells kebobs and that I can meet her when she arrives. OK. We can meet there and then we will go to a bar for to drink so we can get to know each other better. I made it clear that we will only meet there and then I will take her to a bar. She agreed. Then she starts asking me to go there and wait for her to arrive. I'm thinking no thanks. I don't need to stand there while she talks to her sister and. I said I need a shower and shave and I will come after soon after you arrive. She asks Why? I told her, you can arrive first and talk to her sister for 10 minutes or so. Then when I show up, I can say Hello, and we can leave. She arrives and I tell her ok I am on the way, 10 minutes. I get there and say Hello, to everyone. The sister and her husband seem very nice. They each have a drink open. The man offers me a drink but its a white wine cooler. I tell him thanks but I will wait because we are going to leave and go drink beer at a bar. This also reminds the girl that we are leaving soon. I told him I just came to pick up the girl. Now he wants to be nice and offers to go get me a beer. I said it was ok but WE are leaving soon, so I can wait. No problem. Now the girl wants to go to the store to get drinks. I said ok we can have 1 and then we will go to the bar. Keep in mind, the sister and husband selling kebobs have multiple bottles of wine drinks in a cooler right there already. So I am going to the store with this chick to get 1 beer for me and 1 drink for her. I grab a beer and she grabs a wine drink. Then she grabs 2 more wine drinks. I'm thinking ok she wants 2 more for the sister and husband. No sweat its only 35 or 40 baht each. Plus the husband offered me a drink earlier. Then she says wait and she goes to grab 2 more beers. I ask, what is all that for we are only staying for 1 drink and then you and me are leaving. She says it for the security guy outside and for a motorbike taxi guy near the kebob stand. Not on my dime. I tell her, I can only buy a drink for us, not everyone. We get to the counter, I separate the drinks so I can only pay for what I want excluding the 2 other guys I have note even seen. This dumb ass chick wanted me to pay for 6 drinks. I told her no. I said we can have 1 drink here and then we are leaving. I'm not paying for some guys drinks. You can buy the other guys drinks if you want. She says she doesn't have any money on her and has to walk right outside to her car to get some baht. She comes back and in a pissy way pays for everything. Fine by me. Walk to the stand and she goes to give away the 2 beers then returns and adds the other drinks to what's already available. Now she starts to tell me IF I want to be with her I have to care for her friends. I reminded her that I came to meet HER and that I need to know you first. And we agreed to go drink at a bar. I said I agreed to come pick you up so we can go to a bar (not sit here outside for half an hour). She is under the impression taht we are going sit there at a hot ass kebob stand and keep her sister company. And she has the nerve to act like I should buy drinks for everyone that she wants. I smashed all of that crap. I told her flat out no. I asked her just to be clear, you think I should buy those other Thai guys beers? She said yes, they are her friends. Like I give a shit. I told her I'm on vacation (over 6 months already but she doesn't need to now that). I came to meet you and take YOU to a bar. This dumb ass thought I was going sit outside in the heat, right near a hot ass kebob stand, AND what's worse, she mistakenly thought it was ok to try to spend my money on HER so-called friends. She acted like she couldn't understand. But I made she sure she knew my point before I go up and left her sitting there. I said good bye to the other 2. The sister asked what's wrong, where you go? I told her that her sister wants me to buy drinks for everyone and those other 2 Thai guys also. I said that's not ok. She understood right away and I can tell by the look on her face that she agreed with me. We said goodbye and I left. That was a complete waste of 15 minutes.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845014]But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.

I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.

In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.[/QUOTE]I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1845060]What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.

That's messed up. Her loss!

I had a wechat girl coming to see me in Pattaya from 40 minutes away. We had sent messages over a few days. Turns out she works in a small town nearby but comes every now and then to visit (yeah right. That means she is a part-time hooker). I told her when she comes to Pattaya again, we can go out for a few drinks. A few days later, she clams she was coming to visit her sister who sells kebobs and that I can meet her when she arrives. OK. We can meet there and then we will go to a bar for to drink so we can get to know each other better. I made it clear that we will only meet there and then I will take her to a bar. She agreed. Then she starts asking me to go there and wait for her to arrive. I'm thinking no thanks. I don't need to stand there while she talks to her sister and. I said I need a shower and shave and I will come after soon after you arrive. She asks Why? I told her, you can arrive first and talk to her sister for 10 minutes or so. Then when I show up, I can say Hello, and we can leave. She arrives and I tell her ok I am on the way, 10 minutes. I get there and say Hello, to everyone. The sister and her husband seem very nice. They each have a drink open. The man offers me a drink but its a white wine cooler. I tell him thanks but I will wait because we are going to leave and go drink beer at a bar. This also reminds the girl that we are leaving soon. I told him I just came to pick up the girl. Now he wants to be nice and offers to go get me a beer. I said it was ok but WE are leaving soon, so I can wait. No problem. Now the girl wants to go to the store to get drinks. I said ok we can have 1 and then we will go to the bar. Keep in mind, the sister and husband selling kebobs have multiple bottles of wine drinks in a cooler right there already. So I am going to the store with this chick to get 1 beer for me and 1 drink for her. I grab a beer and she grabs a wine drink. Then she grabs 2 more wine drinks...[/QUOTE]Yes that's Thai girls 100%.

I am not in to that shit too.

And as for the member that was pay 4,000 Bart long time.

I only been pay 4,000 Bart for 2 days and 2 night's and 14 root's later + 30 photos.

I am going to Pattaya next week hope I can still get for 1,000/1,500?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1845061]I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.[/QUOTE]You and I are here for an extended period of time. So we have a different perspective than most. However, for me, I am always on the look out for 'regular girls' when I am out and about. I have the time to meet them and go out for a drink. Nothing wrong with talking to a lady over a drink. I met girls all over the place with some good success. Of course there were a lot who gave numbers and contact info that never panned out too. But a good number worked out quite nice.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1845069]You and I are here for an extended period of time. So we have a different perspective than most. However, for me, I am always on the look out for 'regular girls' when I am out and about. I have the time to meet them and go out for a drink. Nothing wrong with talking to a lady over a drink. I met girls all over the place with some good success. Of course there were a lot who gave numbers and contact info that never panned out too. But a good number worked out quite nice.[/QUOTE]If I did not have a GF then I might be a bit more amenable.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845014]But with meals being very cheap, it may be a good investment.

I have been in that situation before and by being "jai dee" and talking with both, the gay friend seems to have given me his blessing after which the girl said goodbye to her friend and went with me and we had good fun.

In Thailand I tend to go with the flow and most of the time that turns out quite nice.[/QUOTE]I second this opinion. The exact same incident has happened with me and I allowed the girl to bring along her gay friend. We had a couple of drinks and some finger foods. The gay friend turned out to be a Muay Thai masseur (imagine the job satisfaction he gets) and was quite entertaining in his own way. But after the meal he spoke to my girl and told her to have a real good time. Turned out to be one the truly epic chicks I bedded in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1845061]I don't really "date" here. For me it's about sex and having to w*mance does not appeal to me. A good friend once said, "guys don't come to Thailand to f* P4 P gals they come here to date P4 P girls. " That is true for so many gals. Never has been of interest to me. I want to pick them, have them perform, pay them, and get the hell out of there.[/QUOTE]To each his own. I like both to date and get some P4 P fun too. Fortunately my present GF is quite cool with that. When she's not wth me, I'm free and now and then asks what I have been doing when she's not around. She even went with me to Soi Cowboy to see the clubs where I get my agogo girls. Suzi Wong got her mark of approval, but Baccara did not appeal to her.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1845060]What you said, and them trying to spend a guy's money without asking.

That's messed up. Her loss!

[I](snip)[/I]
[/QUOTE]You gave her very mixed up signals. No wonder she got upset. You agreed to meet her at her sister's kebab stand. For her that included automatically spending some time there with you. No doubt she was proud to show her new farang BF to her family.

And then she gave you the opportunity to spend some little money on drinks and gain serious stature in her environment. Her sister's husband did the same: offer you, a total stranger, some drinks and some "quality time". Any Thai would have gracefully accepted that and improved the relationship. Your reaction was very "Western": why should I spend money on total strangers? Most Thai would jump at the opportunity to show their largesse.

Of course your mind was on a different track. It is not always easy to reconcile different cultural expectations. Although you made it quite clear what you wanted to do, sometimes through no fault of our own the message does not register.

Guys,

Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?

And please, don't tell me that it is a bad idea. I know that. A friend asked me some info and I could not convince him of the unsoundness of his ideas, so perhaps if he asks a lawyer he might get back his senses.

Wolvenvacht.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845169]Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?[/QUOTE]By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1845199]By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I watched this program on TV a few times where couples who are in the home buying market are presented with three choices, and then by the end of the 30 minute show they pick one. Twice, homes in Thailand were featured, and I don't mean condos either. I was thinking like WTF? Foreigners can't own an estate like that! I knew better, and then I was just reading something the other day that pointed out how that show was fake on many counts (including the fact that the couples' decision was always made before their actual show aired and they were reenacting what happened). I also noticed that the homes in Thailand that were presented were never the ones chosen. Yeah. I wonder why? Maybe because it's a bullshit fake show where the Thai homes presented could never be purchased by the couples in the first place! We know that, but how many other eyeballs viewing the show do? They have no clue. I guess the show's producers figure what the audience doesn't know won't hurt it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1845199]By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.[/QUOTE]I know, Mr. E. !

But someone has been putting ideas in his head that will need some professional advice to put right again. I guess we can all imagine where these ideas are originating from.

W.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1845199]By real estate he means condos? Because that is all a foreigner can own around here. If he does you better tell him again what a dumb idea it is.[/QUOTE]I came within a signature of spending 5 million on a Pratumnak Hill condo. Glad I didn't now. The place is 1 million cheaper now since the $ got so strong. I wonder what will happen in the country when the king pass away?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845218]I know, Mr. E. !

But someone has been putting ideas in his head that will need some professional advice to put right again. I guess we can all imagine where these ideas are originating from.

W.[/QUOTE]Been here 16 years and the longer I am here the happier I am that I never bought a condo. Most condos have stagnated or lost value. What has appreciated during my tenure here is agricultural land and of course foreigners are shut out of that market. Buying ag land anywhere is a pretty safe investment.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1845371]Been here 16 years and the longer I am here the happier I am that I never bought a condo. Most condos have stagnated or lost value. What has appreciated during my tenure here is agricultural land and of course foreigners are shut out of that market. Buying ag land anywhere is a pretty safe investment.[/QUOTE]In addition to everything else, there is just too much political uncertainty in Thailand for a foreigner to invest in a condo. Unless, of course, someone is stinking rich and doesn't really care if he loses the money but is more interested in just having a place to stay; in other words isn't really investing for a return on capital.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1845377]In addition to everything else, there is just too much political uncertainty in Thailand for a foreigner to invest in a condo. Unless, of course, someone is stinking rich and doesn't really care if he loses the money but is more interested in just having a place to stay; in other words isn't really investing for a return on capital.[/QUOTE]I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845169]Guys,

Does anyone know a lawfirm in Thailand that could provide some legal info on buying / owning / investing into Thai real estate?

And please, don't tell me that it is a bad idea. I know that. A friend asked me some info and I could not convince him of the unsoundness of his ideas, so perhaps if he asks a lawyer he might get back his senses.

Wolvenvacht.[/QUOTE]I'll PM you the info, but the service is not free.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1845392]I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.[/QUOTE]My post made no comparisons to Thailand "before. " It simply stated I would not buy real estate there owing to political uncertainty about the future. Maybe you are correct the military dictatorship will continue in its present form ad infinitum and maybe the King will never die (another possible triggering event for political unrest). But I don't know many who would bet much on either proposition.

When it comes to lawyer to each his own like everything else here? In the past I've done a lot of interviews with Lawyers even went through a whole list provided by the USA Embassy. Not sure if the list has changed but the one listed years ago they barely could speak any English. I asked the Embassy why provide me with a list if they couldn't even speak to me? That being said make sure they can speak and understand you as if you are speaking to any other English speaking Farang. From personal experience the one's in Pattaya are far and few but I do have one. I also have one in Bangkok if the one's BKKDog does not work out. Here is my opinion around buying a home in Thailand, my experience is only in Pattaya. I have purchase 1 rai land and house and another 1 rai and had a apartment built on it from ground zero. My personal opinion is do not buy anything here unless you can walk away without being Bankrupty, if you got to sell it to continue living here or to go home then Don't! If it was a personal choice and just me I would buy a Condo, but Real Estate 101, at home or here is to keep the project size to minimum 12-20 units, and make sure to read the CC&are which is the Condition / Rules, not sure what they call it here? Foremost you need to review the financial records and what is in the reserves. If your friend is looking for a Investment outside of Bangkok, unless he has money to burn (spare change) forget it! I know a number of Expats who own Condo's here and they seem happy with their purchase, some feel it is better than paying rent, but if you think you are buying at 1 million and selling for 2-3 million I say wake up and smell the coffee.

As for the political unrest here, In my opinion there isn't any no matter who is in charge. The only reason puppet general is in charge is because the color parties will never stop fighting to be in charge. What they are fighting for is the corruption money they are missing out on not being in charge. The reason the election is constantly pushed back is because the man is still alive or they got a body double? The puppet (who happens to be his best friend) was put in charge was for the reason when the time comes all hell will not break loose? But after two years people are sick of him especially after it was reported he now has 1 billion in USA Dollar stashed away oversea? He is just a former soldier surrounded by all the K favorite advisers. Regardless of all this stuff aside I have no problem or second thoughts about buying a Condo in Pattaya or Bangkok which when the time comes is where all the fighting will happen. I wouldn't let a few bullets flying around deter me at all, it just makes life more exciting!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1845392]I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.[/QUOTE]I am sorry but Thailand will never be stable, as long as the "Have" are not willing to share the wealth with the "have not". And, the military are as corrupt as the Thaksin crew, or any other Thai politician for that matter.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1845394]I'll PM you the info, but the service is not free.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the service will be cheaper than making a foolish investment.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845490]I'm sure the service will be cheaper than making a foolish investment.[/QUOTE]For starters all your friend has to do is Google it or go to ThaiVisa. They have a section (forum) for it, also they section for legal Advice from a Thai Lawyer, but personally I would not use this lawyer he is a fucking crook!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1845492] go to ThaiVisa. [/QUOTE]All he has to do is read the huge thread on ThaiVisa on whether or not to buy a place in Pattaya (same would apply for BKK). If that doesn't convince him no crooked lawyer will.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1845544]All he has to do is read the huge thread on ThaiVisa on whether or not to buy a place in Pattaya (same would apply for BKK). If that doesn't convince him no crooked lawyer will.[/QUOTE]What I have learned at my age and living here there are lots of people who can read but do not comprehend what is being said. People ask questions but it seem they already have their minds made up before and after they hear the answer it is like they never read or heard it? You think when people get burn they learn from their mistake but it isn't always the case. They just start off again where they left off?

Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.

Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1846135]Spent 17 days in Pattaya, 10 days in Bangkok. Have to say Pattaya blows away Bangkok on almost every level. Ease of getting around clearly goes to Pattaya, those baht bus routes really make getting from point A to point be the easiest way to travel. Bangkok does have the bts and the mrt but you have to walk half a mile to get to the station and then climb two stories to the station. In Pattaya you just walk 50 feet and wave your hand and a baht bus pulls over. Pattaya has action all over the place whereas in Bangkok your hoofing it to get to the next area. And when it comes down to the gogo's, Pattaya's setup and pricing again beats Bangkok's 3 split up area's. If you want to check out a gogo in Bangkok, your going to have to fork over almost triple the amount for a beer in Pattaya. Most Pattaya gogo's have fantastic draft beer specials, allowing you to see more options concerning talent. I also got the impression your less likely to be turned down from a gogo girl in Pattaya since they deal with more xpats. There was also more options for daytime activities in Pattaya. Prices for most of the gogo's seemed to be pretty much on par with both cities, you could get most girls short time for 2000 although on occasion some would try to get 3000 from you. Also found many girls in Pattaya would stay long time for 1500, a much better deal than the 4000 being quoted to me in Bangkok.

Next trip I'll concentrate more of my time in Pattaya and only do Bangkok a few days at the beginning and the end.[/QUOTE]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1845392]I completely disagree with you. The country is now more stable than it has ever been before. No more shut downs, corrupt Thaksin politicians, at least all business can go on as normal now. Immigration has tightened up to try and keep out criminals. I know it's not perfect but nothing ever is.[/QUOTE]It's helpful to read some of Christopher G Moore's non-fiction writings on Thai culture and why it will probably continue to be "unstable" (a western descriptor) for a long time yet.

Read "The Cultural Detective" as a start. Amazon has a non-fiction "bundle" that includes this plus "Faking it in Bkk".

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Very well said. I have some fond memories of PTY, but, as you said, the human detritus has become far worse and I now avoid the place.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1846296]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL![/QUOTE]Hardly. Phuket has the killer beaches and water and has been an international vacation destination for many years. It has its share of sleaze but the really hard-core dregs can't afford to live there, so Pattaya is where they tend to call home.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1845136]You gave her very mixed up signals. No wonder she got upset. You agreed to meet her at her sister's kebab stand. For her that included automatically spending some time there with you.
And then she gave you the opportunity to spend some little money on drinks and gain serious stature in her environment. Her sister's husband did the same: offer you, a total stranger, some drinks and some "quality time". Any Thai would have gracefully accepted that and improved the relationship. Your reaction was very "Western": why should I spend money on total strangers? Most Thai would jump at the opportunity to show their largesse.
Of course your mind was on a different track. It is not always easy to reconcile different cultural expectations. Although you made it quite clear what you wanted to do, sometimes through no fault of our own the message does not register.[/QUOTE]Not at all. I made it VERY clear that we will go to a bar to drink together. I specifically told her I can come there with my bike, pick her up and take her to a bar. She wanted to go there to see / talk to her sister also. I told her she can arrive first to talk and I will come after. I told her again when I was on my way that when I get there we will leave. There was zero mistake about it.

Having 1 drink would have been fine as well as me buying a drink for her sister and the husband. Heck that's only 105 baht for 3 drinks.

You missed the big picture. The messed up part was not about a drink for her sister and husband. IT was her trying to spend my money for two other Thai guys hanging out nearby. Fuck that. She had a different agenda and WASN'T listening. So she got left there. End of story.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846288]I would agree with you if the main reason is P4 P. However, when it comes to a place to live at least for me BKK blows Pattaya out of the water. BKK is an international city with all that has to offer. Pattaya is a crowded beach town that attracts the dregs to tell you the truth. I used to love going to Pattaya in the early 00's. But now I can't stand it. What was once charmingly sleazy is now to my eye, well, just ugly. From the hordes of Chinese tourist to some of the most awful foreigners you will ever meet. That's Pattaya. While I agree that it is far better than BKK for chicks, the human detritus you have to wade through just ruins it for me.[/QUOTE]Everybody has their own idea of the perfect place to live. I mentioned to my buddy that Pattaya is probably the best area to find girls new to the game, low on money and willing to take less. He felt Bangkok fit that bill better with the major colleges in town, then again he's in his low 30's and speaks Thai and never pays a penny for Thai pussy. Another buddy of mine took the ferry from Pattaya to one of the islands nearby, he said that from the ferry you could see a haze of pollution hanging over Pattaya. In Bangkok I was standing on the bts platform and noticed that the smog from the pollution blocked out the view after a dozen blocks. Have to imagine the pollution levels in Pattaya are lower than in Bangkok.

Then there's the price of living in each city to consider. Phuket is more on the expensive side im told but I saw a youtube video where a guy just got a brand new condo (appartment) for 7000 baht per month. My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1846378]Is that you A. K. A. NicFrenchy?[/QUOTE]Nope. I am not NicFrenchy.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1846296]This is why I preferred Phuket over Pattaya! Perhaps Phuket is what Pattaya used to be? Charmingly sleazy? LOL![/QUOTE]Have not been to Phuket since '99. Not really a beach guy. Only frequented Pattaya for the gals back in the day. One of my least favorite things about LOS is the weather. I hate heat, love it cold and prefer clouds to sun. My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. Sadly that place does not exist, so I am here. Beats back home any day.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1846570] My buddy in Bangkok pays 6000 per month but is nowhere near a bts or mrt line. Im assuming you can find a place to live in Pattaya in that area as well. And I read a Mr E. report that states he pays 4500 baht per month for his place.[/QUOTE]I live on the soi next to Bliss Lounge in Pattaya. My place is just a regular room. No kitchen or anything. We do have a security guy from 5pm to 5am, free internet and cable, a security door that opens by card key, and cameras throughout the building that we can view on our TV. I am a simple guy and do not require anything elaborate since I am only here part time.

Other friends have much nicer places with kitchens and gyms, and pools and what not and pay anywhere from 10,000 baht to a friend who has a 16th floor 1 bedroom place in Jomtien overlooking the water for 35,000 baht.

I say if the baht hits 40 to 1USD then I will just go ahead and buy a place with a limit of 2 million baht. I am only 43 and make enough where I could have $50,000 paid off in a couple of years. And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. So if I was here for 20 more years then it may work out.

On the other hand I may lose if I buy into a disaster. As of now I can move whenever I want or if push comes to shove I can abandon ship and leave behind a 10,000 baht TV that I bought 6 years ago, an 18,000 baht motorbike that I bought at the auction 6 years ago, a bar full of liquor that I have built up, and a closet full of clothes that I bought at Goodwill over the years.

My friends who are in their 60's say that at their age it would be stupid to buy anything so they prefer renting.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846608]My ideal town would be arid, cool, near the mountains with skiing in the winter, as inexpensive as BKK, and full of Asian working girls. [/QUOTE]Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.

If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1846615]Have you been to Dalat, Vietnam? It ticks all the boxes except skiing. Not exactly *full* of Asian working girls (the scene in Vietnam is always subdued), but they do exist.

If North Korea ever opens up, you might get exactly what you're dreaming about.[/QUOTE]Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.

[QUOTE=Allover;1840725]Was the lady in red a ladyboy? I couldn't tell.[/QUOTE]Not sure but I guess the ones in this vid probably are.

[URL]https://youtu.be/XgKH54UXHXk[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1846611]I am paying $1900/year in rent now. [/QUOTE]Wow that is cheap! I assume the pic you attached are photos of you apartment building? Not bad at all for that price.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1846611]And you have to figure that I am paying $1900/year in rent now. [/QUOTE]Exchange rate changed. Looks like 54,000 baht/year is now US $1518.

One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?

The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away.

Promoting old fashion stereotypes about working ladies is terrible for this hobby. It's terrible for the guys in it today and it's especially bad for the guys who will want to rent some pussy in 20 years from now. When we promote negative old fashion put downs we are shitting where we eat. We are not leaving the pristine camp ground the way we found it for those who follow. For me this is inexcusable and I hope some minds can be changed here about our hobby.

If you're a monger and you treat people w / respect you are good for the natural world. Your money is being distributed to those less fortunate, to those who want to work and make good money, to people who are no better or worse than any other person on this earth. This is the truth.

This is really great info.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]Yes, it's an integral part of society, at least "Thai-style" prostitution. However, the "Farang-style," I have long maintained, is an anachronism left over from the Vietnam war. Yes, it's a small part overall, but it's a very, very visible part. And, IMHO, an easy target.

There is no one thing that will kill off the Farang-style P4 P, but the writing's on the wall. Low unemployment, rising wages, bad attitudes, a change in the tourist demographic, all have been repeatedly discussed. Rising land values are making a huge dent in the viability of said venues. In the West, a place like Soi Cowboy would have been zoned (or eminent domain-ed) out of existence long ago.

But let's not overlook the religious aspect, especially concerning totalitarian regimes. Such regimes are extremely Puritanical. Look all over SEA for examples. A while back I showed the GF a video some clown had shot while wandering around lower Suk..[/QUOTE]This attitude helps no one. It's too bad so many share it.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]I have never liked seeing some doddering fat fool dragging an obvious prostitute around town, acting proud. At home the guy wouldn't be caught dead taking some hooker with a 6th grade education around town and introducing her to his friends and business acquaintances. Neither would any respectable Thai.[/QUOTE]Do we know who this fool is or whether he lives there or not? He could be a wonderful man. He could be us in 20,30, or 40 years. The above sentiment comes straight of of the PC playbook. We need to let it go.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1848423]No, as long as there are men and women there will be prostitution. But I will be very surprised if the scene as it is today is around in 5 years. And, frankly, I wouldn't miss it. I prefer doing P4 P the way locals do it, regardless of the country. [/QUOTE]I would like to know the difference between Farang and local style P4P. This sounds interesting.

I do appreciate your insight but felt compelled to stick up for the fool.

For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?

[QUOTE=Socker;1848508]One is of man, a world where man is preeminent and judgmental and the world of nature where man is only a small part of reality. The real world encompassing everything and then a secondary man's world in which we destroy much of the earth w / our pursuits of life as it is designed in modern times. So are we any smarter socially for what we've been through?

The first part of your description is spot on but your opinion at the end is sad. It's sad that we as mongers knowing what we know still think bar girls are less than we are, a blight on society. It's sad that really smart guys here (in 2016) promote the old fashion prejudices of working girls. It's sad that an older guy gets put down because he's happy and wants to go out w / his GF, hooker, daughter, etc. A harmless act of having fun w / another human being is thought of as rude or low class. This is the sad aspect of man's world and it just won't go away..[/QUOTE]I'll preface my remarks by stating that I speak in generalities and that nothing should be construed as anything personal.

First, I'll point out that it's the Thai's sandbox, not ours. They made their society and their rules for comportment, not us. Personally, I have had a belly full of seeing tourists from the West running around various and sundry "backward" countries and telling them how they should structure their society. Euro-babes run around beaches with their tits flopping around, locals get mortally offended and somehow it's the locals who are wrong because they don't agree with their "enlightened" sisters from "better, more socially advanced" countries. By the same token, Thais consider it extremely bad form to drag around a very low class (their words, not mine) hooker in public. This sort of behavior, among other things, contributes to the very low opinion of farang that many Thai now share. We can preach until we're blue about equality, economic opportunity, prejudices, etc. , et. , to the locals but that just serves to reinforce the notion that Westerners are arrogant and chock-full of hubris.

When I travel I try to keep foremost in my mind that I am a guest of that country. I try, within reason, to avoid behavior that is generally offensive to the locals and to never do something that I wouldn't do at home. I wish more tourists did the same, and I really, really wish more visitors to the USA did the same. So, for that reason I don't care where the "old fool" came from or whether he's a nice guy. His behavior ranges from confusing to offensive to locals. There is no need for it. The Thais tend to ignore whatever happens behind closed doors, but to rub their nose in it is wrong, IMHO. I am the most un-PC guy I know. Political Correctness is another word for "Thought Control. " If you can't say the word, eventually you'll stop thinking it. Acting like a guest, being polite, respecting a different culture, is simply good manners, not political correctness. Such behavior redounds to the benefit of all farang. The "it's my vacation, my money, I'll act however I please" attitude is simply arrogant adolescence, too often displayed by people far removed from their adolescence. And I've been as guilty as anybody.

Second, what I meant by local-style P4 P is that it's all much more discreet. The in-your-face Go-go bar is a 100% American concept (or at least 100% Western). Thais like massage parlors, karaoke bars, that sort of thing. The reason is that the men can go hang out with hookers, but "polite society" won't see them carousing with them. A Thai guy may go to a "hostess bar" and take a girl "upstairs," but he'll never drag her all over town. To do so would invite serious loss of face, serious opprobrium from his superiors, maybe worse. Yes, that seems silly to visiting farang, but it's not our sandbox. As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel. The main barrier for farang in Thailand is the language barrier. Myanmar is a good place for this.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1849750]As far as Modus Operandi goes, I rather like the Asian method of going into a venue, having a drink or 3, being entertained by a nice lady, maybe discreetly popping out to a hotel.[/QUOTE]Absolutely!

Whenever I take a girl out of an agogo club, she will dress in her "street clothes", mostly t-shirt and jeans. Then we walk to my hotel, not holding hands or hugging in public. She walks besides me or slightly behind me. Just two people walking in the same direction. I couldn't care less whether I'm seen with her or not or whether anyone would guess I've just hired her for the night or not or what we will do once the door of my room closes behind us. I'm not part of Thai society so I'm not bothered at all. But the girl is part of Thai society and she will be subject to its rules. It is only a respectful thing to do, not to make her uneasy.

Yes, I paid her, but does that give me the right to embarass her in public? I say it doesn't.

Anybody been here: [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/travel/asia-best-restaurant-gaggan/[/URL]? I didn't know about this place when I was in Thailand. Had I then I very well may have tried it out.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1846620]Dalat does have a great climate, but it is a bit on the humid side. Love Denver and other high desert cities myself. Yep, when and if and Korea opens up then it will be good for at least a few years. Actually some good peaks in Northern Burma as well.[/QUOTE]Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1850505]Senor Goat, please delete some of your email. I'm sending you a PM but it's bouncing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1849462]For the last couple of weeks I have been seeing a regular chick who I met at the market. I just walked her outside because she is going to her room. We were in the elevator with a young white guy who lives in the same building. Him and my girl walked out the door together and I went back to my room. My girl just hit me and said the guy told her that I change ladies everyday. Good thing my game is tight. It seems she could care less. But damn dude; you would really do that?[/QUOTE]That's messed up. That fuckin' asshole. As if he doesn't fuck around too.

But was the girl still drunk in the afternoon? I ask because she said you were a handsome man. LOL.

I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1852373]I've seen more than a few girls with names tattoo'd on their left hand between the thumb and first finger. Is that a pimp stamp?[/QUOTE]I think that's their kid names. I asked one, she said it was her kid. Who knows though. Prison tat style.

Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.

Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.

Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.

Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.

[URL]https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6k[/URL]

[QUOTE=AsianVid;1852577]Some of Thailands most beautiful and sexy woman. Most ladies in bars and gogo's can't compete with these sexy girls.

[URL]https://youtu.be/J2hA96MLF6k[/URL][/QUOTE]And on the other side of the scope. An average Joe like us on ISG, can only watch the video!

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time?[/QUOTE]For mongering, Pattaya is best. For a combination of mongering and other activities, Bangkok. As for must sees, check out the PSE oilies (Tulip / Snow White / Cherry / Sky / Candy) in Bangkok.

I'd advise you to adjust your expectations. The scene is large, but Thai hookers (especially in Pattaya) are not the best looking bunch in the world. However, on average they provide a more pleasant experience (not so much raw sex as GFE), than almost anywhere else. At least, it used to be like that up to a few years ago.

For other questions, read a travel guide. Yes, drink bottled water.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.[/QUOTE]If it's your first time in Thailand and you have two weeks to spend, I's suggest to spread that time equally between Bangkok and Pattaya, unless you are [B]only[/B] interested in mongering, in which case it should be 100% time in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.[/QUOTE]If you want to see both Bangkok and Pattaya, it doesn't matter what city you visit first. In Bangkok you have more "non-mongering" options and I think Bangkok is a more gentle introduction to Thailand than Pattaya.

Walking Street in Pattaya has become less and less interesting for us mongers. I find it overpriced for the quality it offers. I know that some members here find it the ideal place to pick-up non-pro girls from the discos, but if you are a newbie in Pattaya, that is arguably not the best place to start. You will need some "game" and experience to get the most benefit of that scene.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya that will be the ubiquitous "baht busses", cheap and relatively fast and easy to use as they run a fixed tour. For really fast, use the motorcycle taxis but prices are to be negotiated and are easily a tenfold of the baht-busses. Forget about taxis they are relatively expensive in Pattaya, unless for a longer distance (far out of town).

In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.

Drink bottled water, that's what the Thai do as well. Or filter the tap water and drop in some water-purification tablets (Yeah, I know, some old Army habits die slowly).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1853201]

In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.
[/QUOTE]If it came down to choosing a destination based on public transportation, I'd have to pick Pattaya and the baht bus setup. The BTS is fine for traveling several stops but you'll find yourself walking and walking to reach the bts stations and then having to walk up two flights of stairs (unless your lucky enough to find the token few escalators they built). Then you have to walk another half a mile to get to your destination. So much easier to step out into the street in Pattaya and flag down a baht bus. Other problem with the water taxi's is they usually don't fully stop when they get to the dock, you've got to be agile enough to vault out of the boat. And if you decide to try out the Mrt or the Bts during peak hours you'll be waiting just to board the train.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1853201]If it's your first time in Thailand and you have two weeks to spend, I's suggest to spread that time equally between Bangkok and Pattaya, unless you are [B]only[/B] interested in mongering, in which case it should be 100% time in Pattaya.

If you want to see both Bangkok and Pattaya, it doesn't matter what city you visit first. In Bangkok you have more "non-mongering" options and I think Bangkok is a more gentle introduction to Thailand than Pattaya.

Walking Street in Pattaya has become less and less interesting for us mongers. I find it overpriced for the quality it offers. I know that some members here find it the ideal place to pick-up non-pro girls from the discos, but if you are a newbie in Pattaya, that is arguably not the best place to start. You will need some "game" and experience to get the most benefit of that scene.

In Pattaya that will be the ubiquitous "baht busses", cheap and relatively fast and easy to use as they run a fixed tour. For really fast, use the motorcycle taxis but prices are to be negotiated and are easily a tenfold of the baht-busses. Forget about taxis they are relatively expensive in Pattaya, unless for a longer distance (far out of town).

In Bangkok, use the "skytrain" (BTS) or underground (MRT) where possible. On the river, the express boats are your best bet. Taxis use meters and are relatively cheap but also quite slow due to the bad traffic in Bangkok. Motorcycle taxis are most expensive but get you anywhere fast. Never ever use the "tuk-tuks": they are for clueless tourists only.

Drink bottled water, that's what the Thai do as well. Or filter the tap water and drop in some water-purification tablets (Yeah, I know, some old Army habits die slowly).[/QUOTE]I am going to respectfully disagree just a bit with the statement if you are going to Thailand solely for mongering, you should spend 100 percent of your time in Pattaya. I should state up front though it has been years since I visited Pattaya (I visit Bangkok maybe three or four times a year, which says something about my preference) but have kept up on developments there by reading this forum, among others.

A preference for Pattaya for mongering really depends on what you are looking for. It seems Pattaya may have a better go-go and maybe beer bar scene than Bangkok, although the differential may have diminished over years. But some of us prefer PSE oil massage places like Snow White, Mango, Bongkot, Candy's, and Tulip (among a couple of others), or just plain oil massage places (like Addict or Mitu, e.g.) and Bangkok is much better for these sorts of places. Moreover, there is an extensive soapies scene in Bangkok and this barely exists in Pattaya.

Also, if one is used to Brazilian P4P service levels (as it appears the person who initially posed the question about Pattaya vs. Bangkok is), he may be disappointed in the average go-go or beer bar girl's service. On the other hand, the PSE soapies come much closer, and IMHO sometimes exceed, what one would come to expect in Brazil.

So, if one knows he really wants to spend time in go-gos and beer bars, sure Pattaya may be better (although I'm not positive about this these days). But if you want to experience a range of P4P venues, there is a good argument for spending time in Bangkok. I doubt though one could know in advance which type of venue one would prefer.

For a first trip, I would suggest trying both, maybe with an initial plan of splitting your time between the two, but unless you have prepaid hotel reservations that cannot be canceled, you always would have the option of modifying this once there.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.[/QUOTE]Where did you get the idea that Thais have flat asses and bad teeth? There are 3 dentists on every corner. A chick I was with last week teeth were so perfect that I had to ask her if they were real. Flat asses? What Thailand is this? I prefer Thailand over PI because Thais do not have flat asses and Filipinas do. I also have to question you being a LA veteran but your first post is this one with a bunch of questions along with saying you do not have time to research for a trip you plan on throwing a bunch of money and 2 weeks of your time into. 9 times out of 10 when this happens it is a troll post.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1853303]Also, if one is used to Brazilian P4P service levels (as it appears the person who initially posed the question about Pattaya vs. Bangkok is), he may be disappointed in the average go-go or beer bar girl's service. On the other hand, the PSE soapies come much closer, and IMHO sometimes exceed, what one would come to expect in Brazil.[/QUOTE]Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.

There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.

I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1853322]Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.

There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.

I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.[/QUOTE]Sorry, in editing the post I typed soapy where I meant oil massage. I agree there is no such thing as a PSE soapy, and indeed most of the time service in a soapy is mechanical and far from PSE. Having said that, it is something one should try if for no other reason as to see this type of venue, which can be a bit overwhelming when first visiting.

Unfortunately, the window to edit my earlier post has closed. Hopefully anyone who reads it will also read this correction.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1853322]Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.[/QUOTE]Like you say, I don't think so! I had a soapy in Bangkok at Nataree. Was interesting and fun, but I have no desire to do another one. Now my oily at Snow White was a true PSE, and even included anal, which I found challenging to get in Thailand at least from the go-go girls. Oh, and lest I forget, hardcore Brazil veteran here hahaha!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1853322]Are you using PSE to mean Porn Star Experience or something else? Because I have had a few soapies in my day and nothing about them even whispered Porn Star Experience. Now I do recommend that everyone try a soapy or 2 their first time in Thailand, but most people in my circle have not bothered to be repeat customers. That says a lot considering most people in my circle are Brazil veterans.

There is also nothing about mechanical soapy service that reminds me of P4P service in Brazil. In 4X4 Termas in Rio I would bring my video camera and be able to film a REAL 2 on 1 PSE with a couple of Rio's finest; and there was none of that extra tip stuff that guys like to pay for pictures included.

I do agree with you that if a person is traveling all that way then it only makes sense to try both cities to see which they like better. Different strokes for different folks; some like Pepsi and some like Coke; some hoes will shallow and others will choke; but they are all down for that daddy long stroke.[/QUOTE]Wish I could have gone to Brazil in the heyday!

Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's £'s sterling. Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Markly2;1853657]Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Any where except the airport. Get enought o get to town. 500 baht should leave you a little extra assuming you are in before 6 pm. Otherwise you might need 5000 baht to get you through the night. In town Super rich and the exchange place around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though. Ask at your hotel for where they are located.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1853678]around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though.[/QUOTE]The rats on Soi 6 are pretty impressive too!

[QUOTE=Markly2;1853657]Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]Worst is at the airport. You will really get skinned there.

Next are banks. They have a large spread between buy and sell rates.

Your best bet are the independent exchange booths. Watch out for those that are close to banks and actually are part of the bank and use the bank's rates.

Superrich offers very good rates. Not far away from Soi Cowboy on the opposite site of the Asoke crossroad is a small exchange booth that has rates very close to those of Superrich. (see [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/jEnxNAANEju[/URL] "Asoke Money Exchange" on Google maps).

Also, the rate for larger valued notes is better: don't exchange 10 GBP notes, go for the largest available.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.

Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.

Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.[/QUOTE]Thais tend to have decent teeth and round-ish asses, although not like most Latinas I know. If you're looking for J-Lo you'll be disappointed.

You must decide your objectives. If it's to have as much sex as possible you'll want to do things one way. If you want to experience the country, the culture (to the extent possible in 2 weeks) and also have some fun on the side, you'll want to do things another way.

If you just want to bang away at night and sleep during the day, go to Pattaya. I guess everybody should see it once, but it's not for everybody and a lot of veterans avoid the place simply due to the hard-core sleaze factor. But, others love it.

If you like beach-y stuff along with some nightlife, but don't like the extra expense of one of the islands, try Hua Hin. Decent beach, decent bar section of town, you'll find somebody to keep you company.

I like Bangkok because there is a shitload of things to do and see. "A show with everything but Yul Brynner" about sums it up. Lots of nice ladies but much more.

So, respond with your objectives and I'm sure somebody can assist you.

As far as transportation, in Bangkok it's the subway and skytrain for most things, taxis for others. But you must try a tuk-tuk. Pattaya is the songthaew (baht bus). Up north it's the samlor. The buses in BKK can be a bit challenging for a noob.

Bottled water is everywhere and cheap. Use it. The locals do.

On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.

[QUOTE=SrChivo;1852537]Well seasoned veteran in central and south America regions plenty of times. Looking to plan with a friend 7 to 14 days in Thailand. I am a very busy small business owner and looking for seasoned info from veterans of Thailand. I do have much time to RTFF but I am trying.

Anyone recommend what city to visit 1st and what length of time? Any must sees? I've seen plenty of videos of the walking street. I like Latinas myself but will indulge on Thailand for a trip and see how it goes. I the flat asses and bad teeth.

Whats everyone's preferred mode of transportation? Any issues with public water system or is it bottled water all the way like Ecuador? Thanks in advance and I know some place there is a newbie page but I haven't found it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mackin;1853678]Any where except the airport. Get enought o get to town. 500 baht should leave you a little extra assuming you are in before 6 pm. Otherwise you might need 5000 baht to get you through the night. In town Super rich and the exchange place around soi 7 are usually the best rats. There are many others though. Ask at your hotel for where they are located.[/QUOTE]Or just withdraw from the ATMs at the Airport. The service fee is going to get you either way but at least you'll have the best exchange rate. And depending on your bank, most will reimbursed you for those fees.

Best option is to use your Credit Card to get cash out (20 K Baht) at the bank. You have to bring your passport for this though.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1854200]On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.[/QUOTE]In my experience, hotels generally only leave a lot of bottled water in the room in localities where the local water is risky to drink. I have always assumed this is the case in Thailand, including Bangkok, where the hotels (at least those I stay at) leave a lot of bottled water for the guest's use. Then again, because I don't drink tap water in Thailand, I don't have direct evidence as to whether one can get sick from it.

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1854217]In my experience, hotels generally only leave a lot of bottled water in the room in localities where the local water is risky to drink. I have always assumed this is the case in Thailand, including Bangkok, where the hotels (at least those I stay at) leave a lot of bottled water for the guest's use. Then again, because I don't drink tap water in Thailand, I don't have direct evidence as to whether one can get sick from it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1854200]On the water thing my understanding is that within Bangkok the water is safe as this was a big priority of the thai red cross back in the day. That being said I don't know when you would really be drinking tap water as almost every hotel leaves bottles in the room everyday and its only 7 THB at 7-11. Certainly there isn't any problem when you are out or with ice, it's not like mexico.[/QUOTE]Every hotel I've every stayed in, regardless of what city in Thailand, has always had bottled water. It's there for a reason. Thais drink bottled water, and they use the large home-delivered jugs for drinking and cooking at home. I don't think I've ever seen a Thai drink tap water. So, I never drink tap water in Thailand except, on occasion, for brushing my teeth.

Ice is a different matter. I have a rule of thumb that has served me well throughout SEA, Mexico, Central and South America. If the ice is a symmetrical shape, with a hole in the middle or an indentation on one side, it came from an ice machine. Virtually all ice from a machine is made with purified water. You'll see delivery trucks making their rounds in the mornings, delivering to bars, etc. If the ice meets these standards, it's safe to drink.

[QUOTE=SuperMarckus;1853727]The rats on Soi 6 are pretty impressive too![/QUOTE]I would have thought with all the pussy that goes around there, the rats would be chased away.

Hi! Still preparing my trip in April with my buddy.

After Pattaya, we intend to go to Phuket.

Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?

We'll leave then the car at Phuket and go back to BKK by plane.

Is Hua Hin a monger paradise, or any other place between HH and Phuket (Prachuab? Bang Saphan? Chumpon? Ranong? Surat Thani?

Should we go through Ranong or Surat Thani?

Does it worth it, is it a pleasant trip, or should we not waste time for this, and just take the plane back and forth BKK. Phuket?

Thanks for your advices. For sure reports of our 3 weeks journey will be posted here.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1855385]
Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?
[/QUOTE]Unless you have driven in places like Thailand (maybe India) before, renting a car and driving it yourself has some potential of ending in serious trouble. The roads are OK, but this is not Europe or America where you can rely on people respecting the rules of the road as you're used to, and more importantly, a sensible procedure if you do get into an accident.

Better to fly or take the bus. Will probably end up cheaper too.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1855385]Hi! Still preparing my trip in April with my buddy.
After Pattaya, we intend to go to Phuket.
Is it a good idea to rent a car in BKK and plan a road trip through Hua hin and heading to Phuket?
We'll leave then the car at Phuket and go back to BKK by plane.
Is Hua Hin a monger paradise, or any other place between HH and Phuket (Prachuab? Bang Saphan? Chumpon? Ranong? Surat Thani?
Should we go through Ranong or Surat Thani?
Does it worth it, is it a pleasant trip, or should we not waste time for this, and just take the plane back and forth BKK. Phuket?
Thanks for your advices. For sure reports of our 3 weeks journey will be posted here.[/QUOTE]Not a very good idea unless you are OK with a large out-of-location return fee.

The region where you would drive is somewhat of smaller interested compared to e. G North Thailand, Samui, etc.

There is no other "monger paradise" in Thailand beside Pattaya, Bangkok and Patong Beach.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1855406]Unless you have driven in places like Thailand (maybe India) before, renting a car and driving it yourself has some potential of ending in serious trouble. The roads are OK, but this is not Europe or America where you can rely on people respecting the rules of the road as you're used to, and more importantly, a sensible procedure if you do get into an accident.
[/QUOTE]I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855418]I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.[/QUOTE]You might want to check and see if you need an International Driving Permit. I drive in Bali and it is required. Don't know about Thailand, although I will be driving in Chaing Mai next month so I will use it. You can get the permit at AAA locations $15.00 good for 1 year.

I get stopped in Bali a lot. Bule driving is a money sign for the police unless you have the right docs.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1855454]You might want to check and see if you need an International Driving Permit. I drive in Bali and it is required. Don't know about Thailand, although I will be driving in Chaing Mai next month so I will use it. You can get the permit at AAA locations $15.00 good for 1 year.

I get stopped in Bali a lot. Bule driving is a money sign for the police unless you have the right docs.
[/QUOTE]By law is not required as long your country license is in English, and you will not find any written Thai law or regulation which says that's required.

Major rental car company do not require one.

The police does not require one except in Pattaya and only when they have the organized squeeze roadblocks.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855418]I've driven bikes and and cars in Thailand for a long time and the general safety of other drivers is pretty much OK. I understand that drivers from the UK and certain US states can find it bad, however.[/QUOTE]You are joking right? If you find the general safety of Thailand (period, not just driving) okay then in which countries do you find it bad? Because the W.H.O. and the UN finds it the second most dangerous in the world behind Libya.

I find it crazy when you are going along on the left side of the road on a side street and comes to a one way main street to turn right, everyone goes to the right side at the corner. Then everyone from the main street who turns onto the side street are expected to turn into the right side of the side street. I am told that driving in rural areas is even worse.

[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/work/738124/thailand-roads-second-deadliest-in-world-un-agency-finds[/URL]
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate[/url]

Many thanks for your advices. Actually I do have experience driving in such countries (10+ years of Africa + many times in Thailand). And I do have the international driving license also.

But I think that I'll just forget about this road trip, as it seems that there is not much to do / see.

We'll go straight to Phuket by plane, and then rent a car 2-3 days to visit Phan Nga and Krabi.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1855499]You are joking right? If you find the general safety of Thailand (period, not just driving) okay then in which countries do you find it bad? Because the W.H.O. and the UN finds it the second most dangerous in the world behind Libya.
[/QUOTE]No joking. These statistics are deceiving because they fail to distinguish the type of vehicle. In a country like Thailand where most people on the road mounts a motorbike or a three-wheeler, it is normal to have a high rate of fatal and disabling accidents.

Add this to the fact that the typical Thai helmet, if worn at all, is of pathetic quality and you have that almost all the deaths are from motorbike accidents, of which there are multiple every day in any city or town. Accidents without immediate death, no matter how serious, are not even reported by the newspapers.

If the countries with a small deaths per million figure were to use more motorbikes (usually the richer a country is, the less motorcycles are on the road), their statistics would be very different.

Anyway, I never said that driving in Thailand is safe. It is not when riding (including taxi bike) a motorbike and moreover if one only drives motorbikes in Thailand. I'm just saying that people from countries with safe, difensive driving are typically shocked at first sight. People from other countries, much less.

Recap: If you drive or go by only by car, you're basically safe. But if you have a no fault accident, good luck demonstrating that.

Do not even think to drive in Thailand without a personal accidents insurance, which BTW can be very difficult to obtain when motorcycle coverage is included.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1855506]
But I think that I'll just forget about this road trip, as it seems that there is not much to do / see.
We'll go straight to Phuket by plane, and then rent a car 2-3 days to visit Phan Nga and Krabi.
[/QUOTE]That will work better for sure. There are many very nice places around including some almost deserted beaches.

On an occasion I was driving a car from the airport and I had no problems including parking to an hotel without a garage in Patong and going to Bangla Road in the night.

Better sure than paying extortionate fares to "taxi" just to sit with drunk strangers on a noisy sort of golf cart.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855515]Do not even think to drive in Thailand without a personal accidents insurance, which BTW can be very difficult to obtain when motorcycle coverage is included.[/QUOTE]Are you saying accident insurance from an outside country? Because my motorcycle insurance in Thailand was easy to get. I just went to Kasikorn Bank and paid 2500 baht for the year.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1855537]Are you saying accident insurance from an outside country? Because my motorcycle insurance in Thailand was easy to get. I just went to Kasikorn Bank and paid 2500 baht for the year.[/QUOTE]This one [URL]http://www.kasikornbank.com/EN/Personal/Insurance/Generalinsurance/AccidentProtect/Pages/AccidentProtect.aspx[/URL]

Max payout for accident Bt 60,000.

My Bangkok Hospital bill for a wrist fracture (it was not a motorcycle accident, you may recall I had emailed you about it two years ago) that required intervention and a night stay, was about USD 8,000. Thanks heaven I had travel insurance.

[QUOTE=Markly2;1853657]Coming to Bangkok in June. I only use cash. Is it best to exchange in Bangkok for the best rates? If so which would be the best banks to use. It's 's sterling. Thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]If you are staying around Nana, I would recommend Vasu exchange. It is right at the Nana BTS station. I have always found their exchange rates to be the best. It is open from 9 am to 6 pm and even has a website of its own. You can check the rates there.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1855546]This one [URL]http://www.kasikornbank.com/EN/Personal/Insurance/Generalinsurance/AccidentProtect/Pages/AccidentProtect.aspx[/URL]

Max payout for accident Bt 60,000.

My Bangkok Hospital bill for a wrist fracture (it was not a motorcycle accident, you may recall I had emailed you about it two years ago) that required intervention and a night stay, was about USD 8,000. Thanks heaven I had travel insurance.[/QUOTE]Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1855560]Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.[/QUOTE]Not sure what your coverage is for your motorcycle because there are a few out there? This one I have for my son it is a addition to what the government provides but does not include coverage for damage to your bike or car, does not provide Third party coverage if you damage someone else property, bike, car. Coverage for medical for him.
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2,000 baht per year. 1. loss of life, dismemberment, loss of sight. 500,000 B. 2. Medical Expenses. 5,000 B 3. Broken Bones, burns, internal injury. 25,000 4. Public Accident Benefit 500,000 B. Extended coverage: Motorbike 250,000, Dental Treatment 5,000, Murder and Assault. 250,000, Extra cash reliet 25,000. Half of the stuff I have no idea what they are talking about, here insurance is a mine field and Ala Cart?get

As for the staying overnight stuff... this has spread just like overpaying for the two weeks millionaire coming here. The hospital has realized this is where the big money is.. everything is stay overnight for observation. Go to ICU. I noticed one of my medical policy for emergency is 10,000B, I go in for a small cut.. 10,000 baht..it always seem to come cost to 10,000B, there was a time for the same thing 2500 Baht, you got a big fever oh better stay overnight you might have Dengue Fever although you do not have any signs of it. BPH, general stay now is 10,000B plus per night they give you a nice English printout you pay first then your Insurance back home gladly take care of the bill although it is out of your normal group with coverage is reduced by 50%, but that 50% still covers 90% of the 10,000. The hospital have gotten wind because they know we gladly pay for it. You think the U.S. is out of control!

Help needed please reply soon.

Hi,

Team.

Looking for a MP / soapy with all the services.

Actually pointing for a parlour near to airport as on a tight schedule going to Bombay bt came to know nothing near airport so please suggest where I can go. I don't want to experiment as my trips are not very frequent.

Would be great help if any one can suggest a 100% satisfaction place.

I'm staying in rayong, tried to find places here bt things seems dry here not many options.

I'm going back to India on 25th. Have a evening flight and running tight on schedule so want a quickie.

Shall help out surely in India.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnnyNeedsMor;1855667]Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.[/QUOTE]Thb 20,000 or equivalent major currency. You may not be asked to show it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyNeedsMor;1855667]Guys am an Indian arriving in April. Just Wanted to know how much cash to keep for visa on arrival. Will be travelling alone. I am hearing mixed amounts.[/QUOTE]You need 1000 Baht for VOA and must carry equivalant of 20000 Baht in major currencies. Even that is not required if you have a international credit card. Nobody has ever asked me to actually show the money at VOA counters.

This is just an excellent post on so many levels, it should be in the Threads of Distinction. It confirms what I have seen w / my friends that live there and my thoughts on when I am on vacation. Time is a monger's best friend if you want the very best you can get. For me I like it all but the gogo dancing stunner are my favorite target and they have all the leverage. They can be very picky and exclusive but w / time you can over come this disadvantage sometimes.

If one has the time to wait them out you have a much better shot and in many cases you can see them w / no BF. If you live there or spend substantial time there you will encounter sexy Thai women in favorable conditions (for the monger) more often. I will be testing the waters soon. Thanks again for the great intel.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1855957]Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants..[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.

What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.

I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.

Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?

[QUOTE=Sterile;1856747]Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.

What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.

I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.

Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?[/QUOTE]Viagra and Cialis are not narcotic drugs so there is no problem to bring it to Thailand, but most probably it wll be cheaper to buy their generic versions in the pharmacies there.

[QUOTE=Sterile;1856747]Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.

What's the deal with taking Viagra / Cialis (one or the other not both) into Thailand? I don't strictly speaking need it, certainly not for my average sex life in UK but always nice to have a bit of an extra edge, particularly in Pattaya or BKK.

I've had my doc prescribe me some and was thinking of bringing 4 or maybe 8 pills. It's in its original small package, and the packet has my name on it. Should this be OK to bring in? I'm not particularly worried about getting it confiscated, just don't want any major hassles.

Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?[/QUOTE]No problem at all bringing it into the country. Also, no problem buying it in the country although a few "chain" or "first-tier" pharmacies now require a prescription; most pharmacies don't.

Thanks very much for the info guys. Genuinely appreciated.

The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.

With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.

What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1859232]The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.

With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.

What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.[/QUOTE]Yes it has yet to be seen but I'll be the first to say here Nothing is going to change. This is all show and tell and smoke and mirror. All they are doing is moving all the stuff from the surface to the underground. As soon as the day comes after the Moaning period what I think will change is all hell will break loose.

[QUOTE=Sterile;1856747]Hey guys, so going to be in Thailand in about a week, and I know this thing has been discussed before (of sorts) but for something like this it never hurts to get an up to date opinion as things can change.
Or would people recommend not bother and purchase when I am there?[/QUOTE]Just buy it locally. Plenty of info in the forum. And bring some back home, not tens as in case of search, rarely, you might incur in a problem even with prescription as quantity has to make sense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1855560]Yeah. My buddies told me that they get you when you stay overnight. I hurt my foot back in September and the Pattaya Hospital wanted me to stay overnight. I remembered what my friends had told me and declined the invitation. They appeared angry that I didn't want to stay. I live right around the corner from the place and told them I would just come back the next day for additional treatment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this tip. They got angry?? As if you owed them money. LOL.

[QUOTE=TutLi;1855701]Help needed please reply soon.

Hi,

Team.

Looking for a MP / soapy with all the services.

Actually pointing for a parlour near to airport as on a tight schedule going to Bombay bt came to know nothing near airport so please suggest where I can go. I don't want to experiment as my trips are not very frequent.

Would be great help if any one can suggest a 100% satisfaction place.

I'm staying in rayong, tried to find places here bt things seems dry here not many options.

I'm going back to India on 25th. Have a evening flight and running tight on schedule so want a quickie.

Shall help out surely in India.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Nothing near airport, but if you have time, you can make a quick visit to the city and there are a few - 100% satisfaction places like tulip, mango etc. How much time do you have?

If you are in Rayong, You might as well take a taxi one day directly to one of these places. But all depends on how much you want to do it.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1859232]The ruler has approved a decree today allowing the military to make arrests for up to 7 days without a charge for "incidents" related to certain crimes including corruption, gambling and prostitution.

With their unchallenged authority and power they now are self-enabled to bring any suspect to their knees begging for mercy, and close down any business they want.

What will happen? Without a doubt people will say that nothing will change, but that has to be seen yet.[/QUOTE]What they did was give Army officers (rank of sub-lieutenant and up) the same powers of arrest and search and seizure as police offers.

To me it seems the Army wants to level the playing field. Either they mean honestly that they want to assist the police with high profile cases (where some equally high profile police officers may be too closely involved) or they just want to get their cut of the tea money. Until now the Army could not really threaten clubs, bars and other establishments and had to work through the Police, which of course really spoils their game.

The list of crimes where the Army can now act is rather strange:

Extortion, abuse of labour, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], robbery, fraud, document forgery, defamation, [B]debt collection[/B], alien workers, gambling, immigration, child protection, [B]tour guide services[/B], [B]forests[/B], prostitution,.

Debt collection, tour guide services and forests? I never knew these are major criminal occupations in Thailand.

The Bangkok Post has an interesting opinion article about this matter: [URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/919337/in-the-dark-on-armys-shadowy-powers[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1859751]What they did was give Army officers (rank of sub-lieutenant and up) the same powers of arrest and search and seizure as police offers.

To me it seems the Army wants to level the playing field. Either they mean honestly that they want to assist the police with high profile cases (where some equally high profile police officers may be too closely involved) or they just want to get their cut of the tea money. Until now the Army could not really threaten clubs, bars and other establishments and had to work through the Police, which of course really spoils their game.

The list of crimes where the Army can now act is rather strange:

Extortion, abuse of labour,traff-icking, robbery, fraud, document forgery, defamation, debt collection, alien workers, gambling, immigration, child protection, tour guide services, forests, prostitution,.

Debt collection, tour guide services and forests? I never knew these are major criminal occupations in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]Not exactly, because police must have an arrest validated by the judiciary within (I think) 48 hours, allow legal counsel. Nothing of that applies to the Military.

I don't think that they want a share of corruption money, and the concept of them "assisting" the police is laughable, but I would be digressing. However the list of crimes is not strange at all, all these top the chronicles, are very common and quite a plague.

Debt collection = loan sharks that will do everything to recover what they think is due.
Tour guides = illegal guides by cheap Chinese which don't want to pay a Thai for the same work. (Ok this one is small but still visible)
Forests = encroachment or illegal exploitation of natural resources.

Bangkok is supposed to be fucking hot right now. Yesterday was quite tolerable for me when walking outside. A little breeze and was not like a force fan oven at all. Was humid as my glasses fog up badly every time I exit from a taxi.

Yesterday my phone App said temperature was 36 but "feels like" 44. That was bullshit. It felt like 34 or 35 to me since overhead was overcast with cloud (and smog). I know what real 44 heat can be like (from home country) where can feel like being in an oven.

For me, yesterday Bangkok was hot but not unbearable in the slightest. Late evening I was sitting at outside bar chatting to a girl with no discomfort.

I can recall extreme heat of Bangkok with cloudless skies from many years ago, but these days Bangkok is overcast most of the time. This morning is again overcast with nice breeze outside. Hasn't got really hot yet.

Last year had a cool spell (late in the year) when Thais were shivering on several nights.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1867020]Bangkok is supposed to be fucking hot right now. Yesterday was quite tolerable for me when walking outside. A little breeze and was not like a force fan oven at all. Was humid as my glasses fog up badly every time I exit from a taxi.

Yesterday my phone App said temperature was 36 but "feels like" 44. That was bullshit. It felt like 34 or 35 to me since overhead was overcast with cloud (and smog). I know what real 44 heat can be like (from home country) where can feel like being in an oven.

For me, yesterday Bangkok was hot but not unbearable in the slightest. Late evening I was sitting at outside bar chatting to a girl with no discomfort.

I can recall extreme heat of Bangkok with cloudless skies from many years ago, but these days Bangkok is overcast most of the time. This morning is again overcast with nice breeze outside. Hasn't got really hot yet.

Last year had a cool spell (late in the year) when Thais were shivering on several nights.[/QUOTE]Is there a need to post this.

This is what one would call a post going no where.

[QUOTE=HotShaneHot;1867651]Is there a need to post this.

This is what one would call a post going no where.[/QUOTE]I don't mind a post or two devoted to weather especially if it is in the General reports. It is especially relevant for board members, like myself, who will be visiting Thailand in the near future.

If you need a laugh today imagine if Thailand posted something like this.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/world/asia/china-foreign-spy-warning.html?module=WatchingPortal&region=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=7&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2016%2F04%2F22%2Fworld%2Fasia%2Fchina-foreign-spy-warning.html&eventName=Watching-article-click[/URL]

Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1869561]Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks![/QUOTE]Perhaps if find the right shop. I also would like to hear recommendations. My experience so far has been average.

First time I had glasses done in Thailand, focal length was too long to be any use to me, since I needed them for reading. They fucked it up. 2nd time was split level two focal lengths but not as cheap as I would like.

Right now I want a pair of simple +2. 75 for computer work. Cheap deal would be good. Got sick of my el cheapos off the street breaking or screws falling out.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1869561]Is it still fast and cheap to make eye glasses in Bangkok? I need to get lenses replaced for a polarized prescription that needs to updated. Has anyone had any experiences or recommendations? Thanks![/QUOTE]Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1869597]Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.[/QUOTE]The optical shop is V. Siam Optical and is mentioned on other forums. They seem to have a good reputation. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1869574]
Right now I want a pair of simple +2. 75 for computer work. Cheap deal would be good. Got sick of my el cheapos off the street breaking or screws falling out.[/QUOTE]I have had the same problems with the 100 baht reading glasses I have bought off the street, although I must say I really put them through it, sticking them in my hip pocket along side other items, sitting on them and so on. Go through a pair in 2-3 weeks sometimes.

However, I happened to be shopping in Chinatown several weeks ago and saw a family selling reading glasses for 39 baht. Since I had one of those 100 baht pair in my hip pocket on the verge of losing a half broken stem, I decided to buy a couple of those 39 baht glasses as more of a joke, assuming they wouldn't last a day but, what the hell, they were only 39 baht. I'll be damned if the first pair I decded to wear hasn't held up better under the same or worse treatment than any pair of reading glasses I have ever owned at any price! Standard horn rimmed style, nothing special about the look but more durable than any I have ever owned. It has been weeks and they are as solid as the day I bought them.

Wish I could tell you exactly where they set up shop in Chinatown but they didn't have a permanent stall, just had all the goods, dozens of different powers and styles, all laid out on the pavement in boxes at the end of one of those crowded small alleys in Chinatown. All I can say is if you are shopping in the area and see a reading glasses vendor selling them for 39 baht, that is probably the one. I didn't notice any other vendors selling reading glasses that day.

I would have bought 10 pairs if I'd known how durable they are despite the dirt cheap price. But I still haven't needed to go to the second pair I bought since I can't seem to do anything to break that first pair.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1869620]The optical shop is V. Siam Optical and is mentioned on other forums. They seem to have a good reputation. Thank you.[/QUOTE]That's it! No worries. Check them out. I am sure they will take good care of you. If you need an exam the older lady there is pretty good.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1869597]Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I will try, and so close to my hangouts, for watching sports and girls! LOL I never went in before assuming the location would mean not best prices.

Today went shopping for food. Near On Nut BTS this Thai girl is wearing all black and white including black bowler hat, black skirt, and white tee-shirt. In big black letters on the front of the tee-shirt has the letters: "GAP". Since I am a fan of girls with nice Gap between the legs, I was flummoxed. What on earth would GAP be referring to? Surely there is another meaning? If it read "GAPE" I suppose I would be even more surprised.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1870143]Today went shopping for food. Near On Nut BTS this Thai girl is wearing all black and white including black bowler hat, black skirt, and white tee-shirt. In big black letters on the front of the tee-shirt has the letters: "GAP". Since I am a fan of girls with nice Gap between the legs, I was flummoxed. What on earth would GAP be referring to? Surely there is another meaning? If it read "GAPE" I suppose I would be even more surprised.[/QUOTE]You need to get out more Syz.

GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, California

Hello all,

I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1869993]That's it! No worries. Check them out. I am sure they will take good care of you. If you need an exam the older lady there is pretty good.[/QUOTE]Any recommended places to hang out to have a beer or watch people near Bradman's? I figured that if I have to walk a long way from the BTS station to get there, I would want to chill out for a while before heading back to Soi 11. Thanks again,

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1871648]Hello all,

I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??[/QUOTE]Cambodia or Cabodge if you want to spell it like that is your pick of cheapest pussies.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1871648]Hello all,

I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??[/QUOTE]Cambodia is quite cheap - if one can believe the trip reports - but it is not easy to find someone and the quality seems to vary a lot. The beach at Sihanoukville was once quite famous for P4P, but I see very few reports now, so I wonder what happened there.

Myanmar has a reputation of providing cheap fun too, but again: difficult to find and some experience seems necessary to get a good deal. Besides it is a difficult area to travel.

Laos is perhaps a less good idea: the law forbids a foreigner and a Lao lady to stay together in one room unless they are married. It seems that law is not strictly enforced, but why take any chances?

I have never been to Vietnam, so I don't know the prices there. I did have some Vietnamese girls in Singapore and those were good but expensive.

By all means, have a look at the messages in the Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, ... forums.

In my opinion, Thailand may not be the cheapest but taking into account the convenience of travel, the fact that prostitution is legal there, the very large choice of providers and all kinds of establishments, I find Thailand still a very good and not expensive destination for some adult fun.

If you don't mind the somewhat shabby surroundings, Soi 6 in Pattaya is difficult to beat: 1000 baht for the girl, 300 baht for the room and a few hundred baht for drinks and the choice of girls is limitless.

At Beach Road in Pattaya, you can get freelancers for less than 1000 baht.

In about a month I will go to Hua Hin. I read some mixed reports about that place, but price-wise it seems quite cheap.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1871825]Any recommended places to hang out to have a beer or watch people near Bradman's?
I figured that if I have to walk a long way from the BTS station to get there, I would want to chill out for a while before heading back to Soi 11.
Thanks again,[/QUOTE]I recommend the Old Dutch Pub diagonally across the road from Bradman's.

Good food / shit service (lately), but one of the best people watching places in the world IMHO. The sights you will see from about 7.00 pm may well give you a few stories until your dying days.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1871648]I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??[/QUOTE]No such thing as the "cheapest country", there are various venues within each country, and many other factors like selection, attitudes, safety and so on.

If you're looking for absolute cheapest, check out the Sanam Luang area in Bangkok, within the rough triangle formed by Ratchadamnoen Klang, Atsadang and Tanao roads. You can get sex from a horrid grandma or a junkie for a 300 baht (under $10) or even 200 baht there (plus 40 for the filthy shack). You can also splurge 500 for one of the better lookers (plus 100 for a ST hotel with a shower and old AC). It might not be exactly pleasant, or the entertainment you're looking for, but it sure is cheapest.

I suspect shacks with similar providers in the Philippines or Cambodia might be even cheaper, but I haven't tried.

Yeah. Pretty funny observation. The stock is trading around $24. Leslie Wexner, the founder, is a billionaire twice over and owns a large mansion in Aspen. I think the store has become passé in the US. It's having the same style and marketing issues with the millennials as Banana Republic, a sister company. Sometimes in Asia, retail outlets that have fallen out of favor in the US continue to thrive in Asia and South America. Croc's comes to mind. The company basically went belly up in the US but I still see outlets in Asia. Go figure.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1870166]You need to get out more Syz.

GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, California[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?

Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.

Happy mongering!

Back from a 3 week journey in Thailand: 1 week in BKK, 1 week in Pattaya, and 1 week in Patong (Phuket).

* Bangkok is more 'business-oriented'. More choice and more places of course, but I seldom found a true GFE. They all prefer short time and nothing was easily below 2000 THB short time, 4000-5000 long time (which is often till 9 am).

* Pattaya has a more laid back atmosphere (beach / sea?) and girls are more relaxed, GFE, and funny. Cheaper than BKK.

* Patong was the best: Very good atmosphere with all the bars. Few gogo bars but worth a visit. Definitely GFE and cheaper: 2000 long time (till we wake up! Which can be noon!

Girls willing to see you again tomorrow for cheaper or free.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1869597]Shop next to Bradman's on Suk Soi 23 has taken great care of my eyes for about 12 years. Have had multiple lenses done there. Great, good price, and always hit the mark.[/QUOTE]When I was looking for a website for V. Siam Optical on Soi 23, another company seems to have a similar name and implies that they are V. Siam Optical. The pretenders have a branch on Suk by Soi 26. FYI. I will definitely go to Soi 23 for my glasses. I do wish they had a working email that I could ask some questions ahead of time.

It's true that it's getting more difficult to find girls for short time under 2000 though not impossible. I paid 1500 several times this winter albeit depending on the venue and time of evening. However, I have never paid 4 or 5 k baht for long time. That's in NEVER! Usually, I either tell them 2 k baht for short time and / or 3000 baht for long. If they are quoting these amounts, in my view, these are exceptionally high rates. I would stick to my guns at 3 k though be prepared to walk. There are plenty of girls who will gladly take 3 k for LT. Maybe you are hanging out at Spasso's too much?

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1872234]Back from a 3 week journey in Thailand: 1 week in BKK, 1 week in Pattaya, and 1 week in Patong (Phuket).

* Bangkok is more 'business-oriented'. More choice and more places of course, but I seldom found a true GFE. They all prefer short time and nothing was easily below 2000 THB short time, 4000-5000 long time (which is often till 9 am).

* Pattaya has a more laid back atmosphere (beach / sea?) and girls are more relaxed, GFE, and funny. Cheaper than BKK.

* Patong was the best: Very good atmosphere with all the bars. Few gogo bars but worth a visit. Definitely GFE and cheaper: 2000 long time (till we wake up! Which can be noon!

Girls willing to see you again tomorrow for cheaper or free.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Samarth;1872230]Hi,

Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?

Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Even at times when the number of girls is at an all time low, there will be still much much more girls than you can ever hope to make love to!

Don't fear that you will not be serviced in June or July. It is business as usual.

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/29/brutal-attack-on-tourists-in-thailand-caught-on-video.html?intcmp=hppop[/URL]

Some species of the Thai human prey animal should be taken out and shot... on second thought that's probably too good for them

[QUOTE=Samarth;1872230]Hi,

Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July?

Planning a trip for a week to BKK end of June.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1872892]Even at times when the number of girls is at an all time low, there will be still much much more girls than you can ever hope to make love to!

Don't fear that you will not be serviced in June or July. It is business as usual.[/QUOTE]And while so many punters seem to be chasing the elusive 'once in a lifetime experience' with the hottest lady imaginable; reality is we are [I]renting[/I] and not [I]buying[/I] so go with the flow and enjoy the many options that will be at your disposal.

SL.

[QUOTE=Samarth;1872230]Do all gogo and massage places will be active and girls availability will be good during June / July? *snip* Happy mongering![/QUOTE]This sort of question appears about every year someplace in the Indonesia forum. If you are asking about whether Ramandan has any effect in Bangkok, the answer is "no". TTG.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1872908][URL]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/04/29/brutal-attack-on-tourists-in-thailand-caught-on-video.html?intcmp=hppop[/URL]

Some species of the Thai human prey animal should be taken out and shot... on second thought that's probably too good for them[/QUOTE]And I suppose this sort of thing never happens in the United States or other western countries?

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1872965]And I suppose this sort of thing never happens in the United States or other western countries?[/QUOTE]Thai lowlifes beating the shit out of innocent elderly tourists purely for sport on the streets in full view of the public -- cold cocking and kicking them in the face while they're down -- happens far more frequently in Thailand than anywhere else on the planet as far as I know. But whether it happens elsewhere or not, what would that have to do with how to deal with predatory human animals in Thailand?

What's your point?

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1871648]Hello all,

I search after the cheapest Asian girls, where I have to go? Thailand is not the cheapest country no? Perhaps Philippine? Or Cabodge? Or where in Thailand??[/QUOTE]Looking for cheap? The absolute cheapest option I have heard of is street girls in Angeles City, Philippines. Some will have sex with you for 50 peso. Hard to beat, right? I have never tried this myself, but was told by local men that I know well. These girls of course cater mostly to local trike riders etc. You will find them in the back streets. Many are young and many are on drugs. You have been warned.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1872810]There are plenty of girls who will gladly take 3 k for LT. Maybe you are hanging out at Spasso's too much?[/QUOTE]Thinking about it, you're right. Due to my natural attirance for stunning face and extrovert / funny girl, It happens that all the girl I approached were very often coyotes.

Hence the outstanding prices.

But still. In Pattaya, and even better in Patong, same quality asks for 2 K LT.

Big difference I noticed is that the standard in BKK is ST; in Patong, standard is LT.

Maybe next time, I'll fly straight to Phuket, and bypass BKK. I had much much more fun and GFE in Phuket. And girls are far away less pushy than in BKK.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1870166]You need to get out more Syz.

GAP is one of the largest clothing retailers in the world, with outlets on every continent.
Founded in 1969 and headquartered in San Francisco, California[/QUOTE]A Hippie Chick started the business from a store on Height Street. She sewed and embroidered Jeans and Shirts. Grew the business and got the right conections. Opportunity is everywhere.

RL.

Visa Help:

Do I need to get the multiple entry visa to do 5 plus trips to Thailand in a year?

I have 5 paid trips of 4 days each in / out with etickets and hotel reservation about 5 weeks apart to Bangkok.

For the past 5 plus years, I have entered Thailand on the Exemption VOA and departed before the 30 days.

My last trip the agent looked at all the in / out entries. Nothing was said. Just want to do this correct.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1873853]Visa Help:

Do I need to get the multiple entry visa to do 5 plus trips to Thailand in a year?

I have 5 paid trips of 4 days each in / out with etickets and hotel reservation about 5 weeks apart to Bangkok.

For the past 5 plus years, I have entered Thailand on the Exemption VOA and departed before the 30 days.

My last trip the agent looked at all the in / out entries. Nothing was said. Just want to do this correct.[/QUOTE]Late last year I was told by a border agent that up to 6 entries in one year was okay. Beyond that a visa is required. Since I had already had more than six entries in the year it took a bit of talking to get admitted, but with the provision that any more would require a visa. Whew! I got in, and then got a multiple entry visa for entries after that. Cost was $200 for the visa. Since then I've always entered with that multiple entry visa (which gets me 90 days instead of 30 days) with no problem. Not legal advice, just one person's experience about six months ago.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1873882]Late last year I was told by a border agent that up to 6 entries in one year was okay. Beyond that a visa is required. Since I had already had more than six entries in the year it took a bit of talking to get admitted, but with the provision that any more would require a visa. Whew! I got in, and then got a multiple entry visa for entries after that. Cost was $200 for the visa. Since then I've always entered with that multiple entry visa (which gets me 90 days instead of 30 days) with no problem. Not legal advice, just one person's experience about six months ago.[/QUOTE]I enter Thailand more than 6 times a year, sometime even for a few hours, entering in the early afternoon and leaving before midnight. Nobody has ever questioned me.

Maybe because it is from or to Internstional destination (not just cross the border).

Maybe it is because I am not a cute 20 year old Laos or Cambodian girl but an old farang and the declared income (never forget to fill that part of the form, guys!) is the equivalent of a dozen of girls, LOL.

I am always issued a 30 or 60 days, can't remember, not bothered. The most I have stayed has been 10/12 days.

The rule you mention might be there but it might be enforced at discretion of the officer.

It is probably meant to hit the visa runs: 60 day visa makes 6 entries. In one year, more or less.

So applicable if they feel, there is something going on (or they don't share the envelope for the tea money by some travel agency specialised in visa runs, a profitable industry in Thailand, where everybody makes money).

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1873896]I enter Thailand more than 6 times a year, sometime even for a few hours, entering in the early afternoon and leaving before midnight. Nobody has ever questioned me.
[/QUOTE]I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1873914]I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.[/QUOTE]I was led to believe that all of the recent changes were part of the campaign to deal with people overstaying their time in the country.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1873914]I recall from years back that what was important was not how many times you came in / out but the total time you stayed. If you exceeded 6 months, then a visa was required. In one year back in early 2000, I made 4 business trips to Asia that resulted in flying in / out of Bkk at least 7 (maybe more) times. The total days actually in Bkk was less than 30 so didn't have a problem.[/QUOTE]The Foreign Office website of Thailand has the following:

[QUOTE]Furthermore, foreigners who enter the Kingdom under this Tourist Visa Exemption Scheme may re-enter and stay in Thailand for a cumulative duration of stay of not exceeding 90 days within any 6-month period from the date of first entry.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15380-Questions-&-Answers-on-Thai-Visa.html[/URL]

So it seems that it is not the number of entries but rather the cumulative duration of your stay that applies.

Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.

"90 days in a period of 6 months" is little less than half of the time. So it means that if you intend to stay for more than 50% of your time in Thailand, you are more like a resident than a tourist and should follow the rules for residency rather than tourism.

Hello All Thanks.

Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.

Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1874132]The Foreign Office website of Thailand has the following:

[URL]http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en/services/4908/15380-Questions-&-Answers-on-Thai-Visa.html[/URL]

So it seems that it is not the number of entries but rather the cumulative duration of your stay that applies.

Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.

"90 days in a period of 6 months" is little less than half of the time. So it means that if you intend to stay for more than 50% of your time in Thailand, you are more like a resident than a tourist and should follow the rules for residency rather than tourism.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4;1873994]I was led to believe that all of the recent changes were part of the campaign to deal with people overstaying their time in the country.[/QUOTE]Most likely that is the reason. They have set the law, then they use it when needed. Certainly not on the guys a zillion time but staying also relatively short times. The screen in front surely has all our IN and OUT in the system.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1874132]
Just passing through the international section of the airport on your way to another foreign destination (without passing immigration) does not count at all of course.
[/QUOTE]I was actually referring to real entire, through immigration. If I have (or make) at least 10 hrs transit I go Downtown.

So not unusual I enter at noon and re-exit at 22 hrs.

Once, due to a flight delay, I entered at 17.30 and re-exited at 21 hrs.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1874237]Hello All Thanks.

Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.

Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.[/QUOTE]L no need to worry about. A no brainer.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun;1874237]Hello All Thanks.

Appreciate all the input on the exemption visa. I am USA citizen next trip will be in July with 4-day stay.

Will go via air to Bangkok to enter on the 30-day exemption VOA. Will keep you posted.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between "VOA" ("Visa on Arrival") and the exemption scheme. US Citizens are on the exemption scheme, so don't go to the VOA queue!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1874546]There is a difference between "VOA" ("Visa on Arrival") and the exemption scheme. US Citizens are on the exemption scheme, so don't go to the VOA queue![/QUOTE]In other words, proceed straight to the immigration line. And for those who fly Thai Airways first or business class, the Thai Airways boarding pass (showing the class of service) entitles one to use the fast-track immigration line, a fact Thai Airways seems to no longer publicize even though it still applies. For other business or first class passengers, it depends on whether your airline distributes fast-track coupons on board.

I wanted to watch the new season 6 of Game of Thrones. So I tried to check out how to get HBO via Internet. Too complex convoluted and only available to certain specific users of other facilities, it seemed. I was willing to pay. Seemed I could not get past country restrictions even using VPN, where I can get other home country TV programs.

In the end, I gave up and resorted to the free illegal Torrent sites to download it. Willing to pay but was just too hard. So I end up being a day or less behind the premier official broadcasts only. 1 hour only per episode is a bit frustrating so I might better to wait to end of season. So far, season 6 has been a bit lacking in sex and nudity. Only saw the Red Priestess woman Melisandre get her gear off once. Magnificent tits, she has. Ramsey's stunning swine herd girl Myranda (was it?) used to naked nearly all the time but got killed off last season. Pity but she was evil! The semi-black girl Missandei is my favorite girl (skinny but very nice tits). Many M names in this story. Causes great confusion for those with bad memory for names, even amongst avid fans of the series. LOL.

Ineterestingly, ISG used to be blocked at my apartment ISP, but they may have changed ISP, as ISG is working now. Maybe changed to 3BB. I make far less typos if using a PC rather than smartphone.

In all my years here it has not happened to me, but risk is always present. May help I am larger type and carry no easily snatchable bag. I even got off no problem when refused to pay more than my drinks in a Patpong rip off bar 20 years ago upstairs between Patong 1 and 2. Those bars were notorious. LOL.

When walking around on footpath, always stay very well away from younger motorcyclists, especially when there is more than one. I don't mean the motorcycle taxi groups of course. However bash and snatch motorcyclists are so common, I hear, that police have very little interest to do anything about them. I don't even mean back alleys. The thieves are pretty brazen these days.

Ladyboy relative of my GF was bashed and kicked recently by two teenage tougher type girls (with motorcycle) wanting the handbag etc. Surrounding nearby Thais typically do not assist the victim. Fortunately they did not have knives and LB managed to hang on to her phone. But handbag, cards, cash gone. Not so heavy built victims with very long hair (pullable) are at a stronger disadvantage possibly. However resisting against a weaponed gang will be futile, I am sure.

I think the key is be very wary about being isolated and an easy target. Perhaps having some "wingmen" can be an advantage.

There are heaps of young motorcyclist types hanging around Soi 23, but I haven't seen any trouble as yet (heard it can happen). Most of those in Soi 23 are waiting around drinking, gambling, etc. For bargirls to come out after work who support their Thai boys for some unknown reason. Never can work out why Thai hookers want to support a lazy good for nothing boozing leech, likely drug addicted as well. I suppose they laugh at me, thinking my money ends up with them, however I have not detected that any of my girls has a Thai boy in current times. Doesn't mean its not possible, just I haven't seen them. When girls will not give out contact info, one has to get suspicious. One of my girls was seen leaving with a Thai boy motorcycle regularly years ago, when she was not even old enough, but not any more. She says she dumped him long ago but I can't tell if she is really truthful. However she works a lot less regularly than 2 or 3 years ago. I don't believe CH has any girls of age below limit any more.

When a girl rarely turns up for work and sometimes barfines herself early in evening, in order to leave and do something else, one has to suspect that the lack of diligence means she may not have a "manager" controlling her. I don't believe she is off to meet private customers. Normally girls with Thai boys show up to work early and almost every day, because they need the money to keep coming reliably. Just my opinions. "Chocolat" was one of those at CH. Regularly seen with her Thai boy. Away right now. May have got pregnant. I don't care as I never liked her attitude to customers. Acted raunchy but not very pretty really and average body. Always in "rip off" the money mode.

Good evening friends. This will be my second trip to Thailand after a year. I will be staying mostly in Pattaya and a few days in Bangkok. I need few suggestions on general things which I did last time and would like to improvise.

1) my flight is landing on 6 AM. I'm planning to take VOA. How is the airport at that time? Crowded?? Last time my flight landed at 3 AM. If it is too much of crowd I will take a visa here.

2) I'm planning for a taxi to Pattaya. Which company is the best deal?? And whether they allow 3 people in one cab? Last time we paid 1600 baht. Hearing that people book and pay 1000 baht, felt I got cheated.

3) for phone connection, I got a local SIM card with 100 baht TT and 1 GB internet for 500 baht. Is there any better option?

4) how s the climate in June end? Will it rain too much?? I read that there can be occasional rains but still a bit hesitant.

5) other than mongering, I would like to do few sight seeing activities. Would any of you recommend any good local touring company?

Thank you,

Stallion

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1881998]
1) my flight is landing on 6 AM. I'm planning to take VOA. How is the airport at that time? Crowded?? Last time my flight landed at 3 AM. If it is too much of crowd I will take a visa here.
[/QUOTE]Yes, Suvarnabhumi can be crowded, 7 am is start of the morning peak. All depends on.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1881998]
2) I'm planning for a taxi to Pattaya. Which company is the best deal?? And whether they allow 3 people in one cab? Last time we paid 1600 baht. Hearing that people book and pay 1000 baht, felt I got cheated.
[/QUOTE]Just negotiate with whichever taxi, I don't think there's much of a difference between companies. 1000 seems low to me, but not impossible. Having 3 people in a cab is no problem, but if you have luggage, prepare for a squeeze. Most taxis run on LPG, so the trunk has limited capacity.

If you want to pay less, take a bus from the airport for about 150 baht, they're reasonably frequent.

[QUOTE=IndStallion31;1881998]
3) for phone connection, I got a local SIM card with 100 baht TT and 1 GB internet for 500 baht. Is there any better option?
[/QUOTE]Yes, True has sims for 50 baht, and data plans from 79 (4 days, 500 Mb) and 99 (7 days) and 199 (one month 1 Gb).

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1874559]In other words, proceed straight to the immigration line. And for those who fly Thai Airways first or business class, the Thai Airways boarding pass (showing the class of service) entitles one to use the fast-track immigration line, a fact Thai Airways seems to no longer publicize even though it still applies. For other business or first class passengers, it depends on whether your airline distributes fast-track coupons on board.[/QUOTE]Just line up at the desk nearest to fast-track (leftmost for hall 1). As soon FT gets empty people will moved into it. Happened to me this time too.

I'm heading over, arriving 23rd June. First timer! Does anyone fancy a beer and showing me the ropes.

[QUOTE=NickaLondon;1883370]I'm heading over, arriving 23rd June. First timer! Does anyone fancy a beer and showing me the ropes.[/QUOTE]I already wrote more than heaps of advice for bars and especially Crazy House.

Hi guys,

What is the best place in Thailand for a poor monger like me? I'm not rich but I love sex.

I don't need a beauty full beach, I just need a apartment, eat something basic, and nice girls 20 years old max every days.

So Bangkok? Pattaya? Chiang Mai? Udon Thani?

Thanks for your help!

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889468]Hi guys,

What is the best place in Thailand for a poor monger like me? I'm not rich but I love sex.

I don't need a beauty full beach, I just need a apartment, eat something basic, and nice girls 20 years old max every days.

So Bangkok? Pattaya? Chiang Mai? Udon Thani?

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Finding women 18-20 is getting tougher because the hotter ones have Korean and Japanese sponsors. A lot of women are working past their expiration date. You probably would want to hit badoo and social media for University Students. Accommodations and commuting in cheaper in Pattaya than BKK. Never been to the other spots.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889468]Hi guys,

What is the best place in Thailand for a poor monger like me? I'm not rich but I love sex.

I don't need a beauty full beach, I just need a apartment, eat something basic, and nice girls 20 years old max every days.

So Bangkok? Pattaya? Chiang Mai? Udon Thani?

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Phnom Penh, Cambodia will win easily. Many guys have moved there for cheaper girls. Does it have to be Thailand?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889790]Phnom Penh, Cambodia will win easily. Many guys have moved there for cheaper girls. Does it have to be Thailand?[/QUOTE]Nom Penh is really not that cheap for gals anymore. And the Viets are gone. So I see very little point in it.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889468]Hi guys,

What is the best place in Thailand for a poor monger like me? I'm not rich but I love sex.

I don't need a beauty full beach, I just need a apartment, eat something basic, and nice girls 20 years old max every days.

So Bangkok? Pattaya? Chiang Mai? Udon Thani?

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]Forget about it. A poor monger in a basic apartment will not attacht the 18 to 20 years old crowd.

In the provinces and small towns there will be not enough supply unless you go to a university town such as Mahasarakan in Issan. But other than students that town has little to offer for a farang. And the novelty of banging a farang in his basic apartment will wear off quickly I'm afraid and then you are stuck. Besides it will take some time to make the contacts though social media or otherwise.

Your best bet for cheap sex will still remain Pattaya. You are virtualy guaranteed to get sex for 1500 baht or less (including drink and bar-fine) from anyone in Soi 6. They will be older than 20 for sure, but even those that reach 30 could easily pose for early 20-somethings.

And believe an old monger when I say that the performance of those 30-somethings easily outshines the clumsiness and lack of experience of the 18 to 20 crowd.

I have now spend 3 weeks with a 40 year old from Chiang Rai and I had the most marvelous sex I've ever had in my life such as waking up in the middle of night and finding her sucking my dick or rubbing her dripping wet pussy on my dick and trying to get it inside her. Even the rather good young ones I banged are like starfishes compared to the horniness of the older and more experienced ones.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1890900]

And believe an old monger when I say that the performance of those 30-somethings easily outshines the clumsiness and lack of experience of the 18 to 20 crowd.

I have now spend 3 weeks with a 40 year old from Chiang Rai and I had the most marvelous sex I've ever had in my life such as waking up in the middle of night and finding her sucking my dick or rubbing her dripping wet pussy on my dick and trying to get it inside her. Even the rather good young ones I banged are like starfishes compared to the horniness of the older and more experienced ones.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with Wolven. Even for me, many of my most satisfying experiences so far have been with ladies in 30-40 age group. As for the younger girls specially those aged 18-20 are more likely to be immature and inexperienced as far as sex is concerned.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1889790]Phnom Penh, Cambodia will win easily. Many guys have moved there for cheaper girls. Does it have to be Thailand?[/QUOTE]If you go to Cambodia, then go to Sihanoukville. Nice place with beach etc. The girls are sweeter and cheaper than in Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1890964]I completely agree with Wolven. Even for me, many of my most satisfying experiences so far have been with ladies in 30-40 age group. As for the younger girls specially those aged 18-20 are more likely to be immature and inexperienced as far as sex is concerned.[/QUOTE]Excuse me but I well know some 30 and 40 and it was not better as some 18. Who was very very hot and have it " in their DNA ". But in western country with western girls.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1890980]If you go to Cambodia, then go to Sihanoukville. Nice place with beach etc. The girls are sweeter and cheaper than in Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]I heard that Sville sucked and the beach wasn't so nice. I was getting chicks in PP for $13 ST and $28 LT (which is the same 500/1000 baht I give chicks in Thailand by the way). I am a Cheap Charlie, but if I ever insist on going hours away just to get chicks any cheaper than that then someone please shoot me.

[QUOTE=MumbaiGuy;1890964]I completely agree with Wolven. Even for me, many of my most satisfying experiences so far have been with ladies in 30-40 age group. As for the younger girls specially those aged 18-20 are more likely to be immature and inexperienced as far as sex is concerned.[/QUOTE]Got to agree here. The best gals are in their 30's. Thai gals come to enjoy sex at a much older age it seems.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1891087]I heard that Sville sucked and the beach wasn't so nice. I was getting chicks in PP for $13 ST and $28 LT (which is the same 500/1000 baht I give chicks in Thailand by the way). I am a Cheap Charlie, but if I ever insist on going hours away just to get chicks any cheaper than that then someone please shoot me.[/QUOTE]Enternational,

Kindly give some advice to newbies like us also we also want to get cheaper pussy like this in Thailand. Where the fuck do you score a pussy at 500 bht you must be handsome young and good looking and the lady must be paying you 2 k-3 k bht for a fuck only the taxi cost to and fro must be 500 bht so technically that's possible.

Dude guide us to 50 bht pussy heavens in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1891021]Excuse me but I well know some 30 and 40 and it was not better as some 18. Who was very very hot and have it " in their DNA ". But in western country with western girls.[/QUOTE]News flash! Thailand is not a Western country with Western girls. Girls 18 to 20 in Thailand tend to be VERY inexperienced. But to each his own. Good luck with that and be sure to post reports.

[QUOTE=Alex7J;1891226]Kindly give some advice to newbies like us also we also want to get cheaper pussy like this in Thailand. Where the fuck do you score a pussy at 500 bht you must be handsome young [/QUOTE]The fact that you are unable to, or don't care to, find providers at that price, doesn't mean they don't exist.

There are still many of girls on Pattaya Beach Road who would go for 500 baht, although the average going rate seems to be 700 baht these days. In addition, Thai-oriented streetwalkers and brothels can sometimes charge as little as 300-400 baht (even in 2016), although 500-700 is more typical. Needless to say, the looks at that price point are less than great, and I haven't partaken, but have been offered. No handsomeness or youth required, actually the more expensive the hooker, the more picky she tends to be, cheap ones would take anyone with a heartbeat.

Since you mentioned Udon Thani I will tell what I did there 5 weeks ago.

I went there because a best friend lives there w / his little Thai honey. She took off for Isaan and we went out to Nutty Park and a place called The Day and Night Complex (I think) w / about 25/30 bars in all. The women counted about 100 in all and the prices were 300 b BF and 1000/1500 b for the lady. For me about 10 percent of the ladies were more than decent looking, fresh, young and ready for your cum. There were some stunner DSs that would not BF, but sit and drink your money, and they were as hot as anything in Pattaya, more fun too. For some guys on this board they were all good. I liked the bars mostly small w / owners enjoying drinks w / their customers. Everyone was nice and helpful, ladies were fun and ready to go. I had one to my liking (the blonde) and then one who had the big city girl rules that I can do w / out.

I was there for 3 nights and I took 2 ladies, one twice, shouldn't have tho, too many others to try out. I would repeat but only because my buddy lives there. There are a lot of expats up there and the food is great. Lots of hot civvies, malls, food courts are great. The city itself will never be on a post card. Vientiane, Laos is 20 minutes away but did not function well there because I wanted to get back to UT. Laos was cool, the Mekon River running along side. I just wasn't familiar w / the P4P scene.

There is a short time hotel in UT that was really nice and I would stay there on my next trip, it's called Top Mansion, a few steps away from The Day and Night. I like good hotels but this ST motel was very nice clean and cool, price is 500 b per night.

So for a guy who wants P4P cheap but w / decent low miles women UT was a decent place.

Photos.

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1889468]Hi guys,

What is the best place in Thailand for a poor monger like me? I'm not rich but I love sex.

I don't need a beauty full beach, I just need a apartment, eat something basic, and nice girls 20 years old max every days.

So Bangkok? Pattaya? Chiang Mai? Udon Thani?

Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1891389]There are still many of girls on Pattaya Beach Road who would go for 500 baht, although the average going rate seems to be 700 baht these days. In addition, Thai-oriented streetwalkers and brothels can sometimes charge as little as 300-400 baht (even in 2016), although 500-700 is more typical. Needless to say, the looks at that price point are less than great, and I haven't partaken, but have been offered.[/QUOTE]I have had plenty of good looking chicks at 500 baht for Short Time from Beach Road. Another thing I do is when I meet a chick in the disco and give them 1000 baht Long Time, if I decide to repeat then I give them 500 baht for coming over Short Time during the day. It may seem like peanuts for you, but as an example my new girl works in a salon for 10 hours a day and earns 300 baht. So to them 500 baht for an hour or so is nothing to sneeze at. Some may act snobbish and turn their nose up at it, but most will be all over it.

Check the link.

[URL]http://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/this-is-the-new-sex-tourism-destination/61036?utm_source=aah1&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pp&utm_content=inf_10_92_2&tse_id=INF_5b8b6e20330b11e69519013b248da655[/URL]

I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]4 months per year in Thailand is typical for me.

Some guys are limiting themselves to one a week, but as an addict, that is very hard for me to do.

I have a GF provides some sex. If I am lucky I might get 2 in same week. However I have not managed ro cut mongering below 3 times per week unless very involved in work related activities.

I do aim to cut back more. Usually a guy may go crazy on first few days doing 3 girls a day, but very soon cut down to one pop per day. If I can cut down to 2 to 3 mongers a week, I will be happy with that.

I am getting old. A few years ago I used to do 2 girls each day as a regular thing.

In the end I think it just depends on how horny you are, how bored you are, whether you have other things to do, and I don't mean food and drink, and your budget.

I am very poor at budget control. So I would rather do quality girls less often rather than look for any old el cheapo fuck.

Others will find the cheapest possible girl and get a lot more fucks in. My GF is good looking and good body even close to 40 YO. I am not really able to step down to lower quality.

I tend to want stunning girls, beyond my realistic expectations.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]If you have a pool in your backyard do you swim in it everyday? No. But it is there for when you want it. I think most people have more to do everyday. Chores, errands, and normal hobbies and such.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting question BB, to which I have pondered from time to time. I recently spent 2 months in S. E. Asia on my last trip where I averaged something like 1.25 girls per day (with less than a handfull of 1 day breaks in the action) thanks to my numerous repeat threesomes I had the pleasure of with my favorite girls in BKK and MNL. To be honest, I was getting tired of all the daily sex rounds towards the end of my trip and it felt like I was running on empty and needed to take a break in the action, but I refused to leave the bountiful buffet table while I was still in country. I just kept going because my girls were so sexy and delightful; they never failed to get me hard, and I knew it would all end soon enough. So for me anyway, maintaining a short term sprint for two months with a girl or 2 girls every day felt like it was near my limit. Thus I am pretty sure that if I lived in South East Asia full time, I would have to cut back to a more moderate long term pace of probably 4 girls or 4 LT sessions with multiple girls per week. I think I could keep up that pace and enjoy 4 girls a week in perpetude. 555. Mr E is right. In the Long Term, you have to find other interests in addition to punting or else you will go stir crazy.

P.S. I am already in the scheduling process for my next trip, Buddha help me, which is slated for 70 days. It will be my longest mongering trip ever, but I plan to take a beach break during the 7th or 8th week and head over to Palawan or Cloud 9, Siargao, PI for 4 or 5 days to chill out and power up again. The trouble is that I might be taking one or two of my favorite Pinays along for the ride which will test my endurance to the max. Yeah, I am an addict and I love it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it slows down. For me, short holidays used to be 2-3 girls per day, while long stay is more like 1-3 per week, even including an occasional binge. After a few years, it really isn't all that interesting anymore, but still hard to resist the joy of the hunt, and there are very few (or no) activities which are actually better.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]I just returned from a three week holiday in Thailand and spend almost all of it with my Thai GF. We had sex everyday, most of the times she would initiate it and I'm happy to return home to recharge my batteries! No complaints however, usually I would wake up in the middle of the night and find her sucking my dick or rubbing her dripping wet pussy all over me. But fun as that may be, at my age (57) there are limits to one's power.

Before she became my GF, I would do one LT every other day and I felt I could maintain that pace for a long period. With her it is sex at any moment and after three weeks I'm exhausted.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1895040]Yes, it slows down. For me, short holidays used to be 2-3 girls per day, while long stay is more like 1-3 per week, even including an occasional binge. After a few years, it really isn't all that interesting anymore, but still hard to resist the joy of the hunt, and there are very few (or no) activities which are actually better.[/QUOTE]Moved here at 34 and was partaking 4 times a week. Now at almost 51 that pace has slowed to a couple of times a month. Part of that is me, but most of it comes down to just not finding the "right duck. " I can go to Terminal 21 or any of the downtown malls and see scads of gals I would do in a flash, but head out to P4 P venues and there is very little that interests me these days. For the most part they are just not good looking enough to interest me. And most are definitely not worth the Baht they are asking.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]Regardless of age, there is a limit to how much you can eat. IMHO applies to pussy as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]Lucky you! I am so fucking jealous!

I have never had the pleasure. The most I have done is a month and I pretty much mongered every damn day. But I think I'd probably slow down to about 3-4 times a week (every other day) if I lived in Patts. I'the spend more time hanging out with friends, meet regular Thai people, traveling to less poon plentiful areas of the country, hobbies, ets.

And I would finally finish that novel I have been working on! 555.

BKK is a great city and I am sure I am missing out on some great stuff. But I can't tear myself away from the poontang on these short trips.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1894840]I'm budgeting for a long term stay in Thailand. Question for those who live or spend at least 6 months per year in Thailand. Do you guys hobby every single day? Does hobbying slow down after 6 months? I realize the answer is specific to the person but curious to see how your hobbying changed over time.[/QUOTE]I don't live for 6 months in Bangkok, mostly I stay here for 6 till 9 weeks in one trip and no I am not sure if it is my age (60) or my financial situation but already years ago I started contacted women true Thaifriendly and aim to meet with them for food, movie and "more" (if chemistry is right) and of course the last part (more) is for free. I make that the girls clear from the beginning and now I have a nice pool where I can fish from.

One tip: If you go this route try to get a girl who is mobile and has here own car; this brings you also to closely places.

Goodluck.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1895145]
Before she became my GF, I would do one LT every other day and I felt I could maintain that pace for a long period. With her it is sex at any moment and after three weeks I'm exhausted.[/QUOTE]I could swap you for a while. My GF is much less demanding. Two a week won't exhaust you at all. I always dreamed of waking up due to a girl sucking on my dick.

Kin, Khee, Bpee, Norn. Thai expression for the daily cycle of Eat, shit, fuck, sleep. These are normal activities which guys can do daily, if not too old and too fat. I would happily fuck daily if not too busy to do so.

I know of retired guys with heaps of money who monger daily. So why not if you have the money, and that is what you like doing? Goatscrot's 2 a month is ridiculously low, starvation level for me. I do get much more than that from the GF, when in Thailand, and still far from satisfied. Sex is more important than food for me. I can forget food when a good sex option is available.

So in the end, no one's opinion matters much for Banana Boi. It's just how much money you have and how much sex you want. Or if you want a small number of quality girls, or a lot of ordinary girls.

I am able to go without sex for several weeks when necessary. So maybe I am past true sex addictions. It's more of a habit for me, liking to play with pussy and be with naked young girls.

This year I was very pleased with the improvement in my sex experiences after giving up wanking for at least 6 weeks. This was possible due to consistent sex supply or otherwise being very busy. If sex is taken away for too long, I do get a starved feeling.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1896083]Goatscrot's 2 a month is ridiculously low, starvation level for me.[/QUOTE]Believe me, I would love to be partaking more. But honestly, I just don't find that many gals that fit the bill these days. Either the looks are poor or the performance is. As I get older, I am far pickier.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1895253]Regardless of age, there is a limit to how much you can eat. IMHO applies to pussy as well.[/QUOTE]When I was younger and on a shorter trip with steam to burn off: it was one or two PSE oily sessions per day, and a NPL nightcap.

Now a days I am in BKK for 30 days at a time and basically on (average) the every other day plan. Time and constant supply cuts down on the urgency, and at my age a little spacing work wonders. Any more than that (partaking when satiated) and I can begin to feel like a beast of burden.

SL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1896083]Kin, Khee, Bpee, Norn. Thai expression for the daily cycle of Eat, shit, fuck, sleep.

SNIP

If sex is taken away for too long, I do get a starved feeling.[/QUOTE]Well said. Sales, Sex, Shave. You don't do it for a few days, it shows on your face.

Losing face.

Can someone explain this to me and does it apply to gogo clubs?

Here is my situation. Day 1 yesterday I decided to visit my girl at Sensations. I really like my sensations girl but there are so many other girls there I want to BF as well. Is it really bad if I BF a different girl from that club? I don't want to ruin my fun with my current girl.

I know I've BF'd different girls from Sapphire and one freaked out with a bawling fit in the club and another ignores me now but the others are still cool with everything, as long as they get their drinks I guess.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1896452]Losing face.

Can someone explain this to me and does it apply to gogo clubs?

Here is my situation. Day 1 yesterday I decided to visit my girl at Sensations. I really like my sensations girl but there are so many other girls there I want to BF as well. Is it really bad if I BF a different girl from that club? I don't want to ruin my fun with my current girl.

I know I've BF'd different girls from Sapphire and one freaked out with a bawling fit in the club and another ignores me now but the others are still cool with everything, as long as they get their drinks I guess.[/QUOTE]Par for the course with some working girls but don't buy into the dramas. You are the customer. Tell them straight out that you are a butterfly. Their reaction and attitude is their own, not much you can do. Yes you risk losing some; but don't let them control your game.

SL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1896452]Losing face.

Can someone explain this to me and does it apply to gogo clubs?[/QUOTE]Sunlover said it best. You are a customer. I think you have been around long enough to understand that. When you go to the food court and choose to eat at a different booth than you did yesterday, does that make the vendor from yesterday lose face?

Even women who are not hookers I let know that I am a butterfly. Hell, they can usually tell without me saying anything anyway. Recently the girl that I am seeing that I really like a lot asked me to be her boyfriend. I told her that I did not think that would be possible because I am a butterfly. She said that she understood and that is no problem for her. Nothing has changed in our relationship. But she knows if she sees me with another chick, she was given the truth up front.

Most guys want to meet chicks then act like they are the only one and they can't live without them. Then later the chick sees him with other girls after he has filled her with bullshit. Sometimes I meet chicks in the disco and before I leave with one, I will tell her friend out loud that I will be fucking her tomorrow, whether I am serious about it or not.

Whenever a chick comes with some bullshit you tell her, "This is Pattaya." The first rule of Pattaya is for guys not to believe anything a woman tells them and for women not to believe anything a guy tells them. Some people understand that right at the beginning and it takes others a while to learn it. The entire city is a damn brothel. Show up without money and see how much face is lost.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1896598]When you go to the food court and choose to eat at a different booth than you did yesterday, does that make the vendor from yesterday lose face?[/QUOTE]No, unless that vendor has told all oter vendors that you find his food so deliicious that you have made him your exclusive provider of tasty comestibles.

Nothing you can do about this, it is all up to the vendor and how (s) he has positioned herself in the market.

But it will surely spoil your dinner experience if the vendor comes charging at you wielding a cleaver because you dared to taste his neighbour's curry.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1896672]No, unless that vendor has told all oter vendors that you find his food so deliicious that you have made him your exclusive provider of tasty comestibles.

Nothing you can do about this, it is all up to the vendor and how (s) he has positioned herself in the market.

But it will surely spoil your dinner experience if the vendor comes charging at you wielding a cleaver because you dared to taste his neighbour's curry.[/QUOTE]But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1896726]But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Mr E here. In my several years of visiting Thailand for pleasure I have never had trouble with a single chick because they all know what my nature is. Butterfly Man, Free Bird, etc. But one thing I am not is a liar. I do not lie to the girls about my intentions. Some girls have refused to sleep with me without a commitment, I bid them farewell. And in the WG circles they really only care about the money. You fill a poor girl's head with shit and that shit is going to come back at you one day. Do not make promises you cannot keep or do not intend to keep.

Remember you are there for fun, while the girls are making their daily rice bowl here. Mess with their rice bowl, its not going to be pretty.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1896726]But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit. Over the years I have fucked tons of chicks in the discos. Many of them have even been friends with each other. I go around and fuck each chick in the group one at a time. To this day I have not had a problem with a chick that was related to me talking to or fucking another chick. I am still cordial with all the chicks, when we see each other we speak and hug, and if I want them to come over they will come.

My cousin, on the other hand, was living in Pattaya only a few months and causing shit storms. He would always fill chicks' heads with bullshit until he stopped having to give them money. Then he would get tired of her and want to move on to the next chick. This caused the first chick to beat on his door and loud talk in the hallway at odd hours, curse him, and turn his name to mud. The cycle just continued until he had finally made a bad name for himself in the discos. No chick/vendor is going to claim you for themselves unless you put that thought into their heads.[/QUOTE]Very well stated Mr E. Make promises, they will remember. Tell them you will only be with them; they will expect that. We all hear the stories of insanely jealous Thai women. Well, my take is that the guy had a big part in stoking the fires of jealousy. I have had two long term relationships during my tenure in BKK. One almost 8 years and one going on 9 years. Never a hint of jealousy on either's part. Unlike the US, we can for the most part set the tone for the relationship. Many make promises they never plan to deliver on. Not fair to either one of you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1896726]But you have to realize it is the guys who put themselves in this position. No chick has ever done all of that without the guy filling her head with bullshit.[/QUOTE]I agree it is all about clear communication, but also about what both sides expect.

A guy who is into GFE is more likely to utter words of loving and undying commitment than someone whose interest is strictly PSE. Us mongers not only buy the physical services of the girls but also to a certain extent a fantasy. And while we snap out of that fantasy once we pay her to go home, she may very well have read different intentions in our behavior.

We should also not forget that many girls are indeed also looking for a long-time sponsor, BF or even husband. Something one sees far less with western hookers. It causes our Thai cuties thus more easily to be mistaken about our real intentions.

So it is not a matter of only the mongerer gven a wrong impression, sometimes the girl reads your intentions wrongly. Leaving no doubt in her mind that you are a butterfly (if indeed you are) will avoid much stress and trouble.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1896898]I agree it is all about clear communication, but also about what both sides expect.

A guy who is into GFE is more likely to utter words of loving and undying commitment than someone whose interest is strictly PSE. Us mongers not only buy the physical services of the girls but also to a certain extent a fantasy. And while we snap out of that fantasy once we pay her to go home, she may very well have read different intentions in our behavior.

[/QUOTE]I have found thru experience that the words part time boyfriend / girlfriend works well in such situations. Tell the girl you want her to stay with you like a real girlfriend for a few days and then you will be gone. Tell her you will treat her well, wine and dine her, take her bowling or to the movies, buy her small gifts, go for a holiday to a resort / island. Do all that you must to extract the best value GFE from the girl, but at each step remind her that come day XX you will be gone and perhaps never see her again, hence it is important to make the most of it now.

But I agree that the girl may read it all wrong and you could get into a bit of a spot. Occupational hazard I guess.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1896957]I have found thru experience that the words part time boyfriend / girlfriend works well in such situations. Tell the girl you want her to stay with you like a real girlfriend for a few days and then you will be gone. Tell her you will treat her well, wine and dine her, take her bowling or to the movies, buy her small gifts, go for a holiday to a resort / island. [/QUOTE]Then an attachment has formed and next time you show back up she will expect the same thing. The chick that I hooked Cool up with keeps asking about him everyday, even though I guess he still talks to her because she told me he will be back in a couple of weeks. I say don't tell her shit. Just play it out as it goes along then when you are finished give her money and tell her bye. I don't think there is anything that I have ever said or done to get GFE. To me it is just a natural chemistry between me and the girl. Either it is there or not.

Thanks for your replies on 'losing face' and 'hobbying over time".

I'm not one to tell girls they're the only ones and I want to be with forever, etc. I am up front and clear they are not the only ones. You guys made excellent points that no girl will control my game and my money.

So far in my first 4 days here I have sessioned at a place like soi 6 and kinnaree during the day but have really only been window shopping at gogo clubs, soapies, and iBar at night so far. Searching for my condo and settling down has been my main objective this week.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1897735]Searching for my condo and settling down has been my main objective this week.[/QUOTE]I don't know how long you are staying, but JesseJames found some good and cheap shit on airbnb when he was in town last month.

6 months for now. I just picked up keys this morning. Since I don't like motorbikes, made a call that location was worth a few extra thousand baht.

I need to install internet. Is 3BB the best value? I see it's 700 baht per month at Central Festival store.

[URL]http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/06/29/former-freelance-sex-worker-quit-biz-tells-her-story-online[/URL]

In Bangkok, "sideline" girls or "freelancers" are students, or women with day jobs, who aren't opposed to occasionally being paid for sex when they have overdue bills or the new iPhone comes out.

Recently, a former sideline girl, who says she has given up the sex work that generated her THB500,000 a month, shared her story on the popular Thai forum Pantip with the title, "Sideline Girl Repents. ".

In her story, she reveals that a friend taught her to do this work when she needed quick cash to pay back a debt. Seeing how easy it was, she got hooked (pardon the pun) and continued selling sex for money through college.

"I thought I was going to quit after graduation and find a nice office job, but I continued being a sideline girl because I could make a lot of money. I admitted that money was God to me. ".

The former sideline girl said she didn't always have sex with customers. Some men simply enjoyed her company, and the bar she worked for increased her pay when she became more popular among customers.

"I took that money to get plastic surgery. Then I looked better, and I could ask for better pay. I got to the point where I was paid THB7,000 per customer — the highest rate from the bar. If I worked hard, I could make THB500,000 per month. ".

She spent six years prostituting herself and then, much like a movie plot, her life changed when a customer became a boyfriend. Now, she said, she works in an office and feels better about herself.

"Other people can do it, so why can't I? I changed everything. From a luxury home, I now rent a small condo. I got a new job and it's been years since I left the business. ".

She gave a warning to other girls considering turning sideline tricks for quick bucks: "Please change your mind. Don't get into this business. All the temptations and evil thoughts are waiting for you: booze, drugs, men, partying, and shopping for brand-name stuff. ".

"You will have everything I just said, but you won't have self-worth, love or a future. ".

Nathee Sorawaree, secretary to Issarachon Foundation, an organization that helps underprivileged people, stated that the number of young women entering the sex business has increased by 30 to 40 percent. That organization cites the tough economic conditions of the country and that women can't make enough to live on or to send to their families.

Nathee also noted that the girls offering sex services online are getting younger and younger. He said that the girls are either trying to support their struggling families or simply looking for extra cash to buy luxury items they can't afford with their salaries.

Many Thai posters to Pantip thought the "Sideline Girl" was brave to come forward and warn others.

However, as the story was translated and shared in English-language media, commenters expressed disbelief that the "Sideline Girl," or others like her, would ever truly get out of the sideline game until they are too old to continue.

One user commented, in the Facebook group Everything Bangkok, about a wall that sideline girls eventually hit in their lives due to their side work and lifestyle.

"They neglect their career in favor of the easy money offered by their hooker job, they develop expensive tastes and habits and live a life of excess that will see them age prematurely. ".

"By the time they hit their early 30's, they look old as hell, they have had very average careers (as in, they haven't advanced) or they're simply not working and have high expectations with very little in the way of assets (as in looks, money, skill). ".

"For these girls, it can often (but not always) be a downward slope from the first time they exchange cash for sex. ".

[QUOTE=Intransit;1904768][URL]http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/06/29/former-freelance-sex-worker-quit-biz-tells-her-story-online[/URL]

In Bangkok, "sideline" girls or "freelancers" are students, or women with day jobs, who aren't opposed to occasionally being paid for sex when they have overdue bills or the new iPhone comes out.

Recently, a former sideline girl, who says she has given up the sex work that generated her THB500,000 a month, shared her story on the popular Thai forum Pantip with the title, "Sideline Girl Repents. ".[/QUOTE]Very unlikely story. 500 000 baht per month at a rate of 7 000 baht per customer is over 70 customers per month or 2 to 3 per day, every day!

I don't call that a "siideline girl" who "occasionally" has some paid sex.

At those prices, she'd be happy to catch one customer a day, some days, if she's lucky.

I call B.S. on that story: former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1904780]Very unlikely story. 500 000 baht per month at a rate of 7 000 baht per customer is over 70 customers per month or 2 to 3 per day, every day!

I don't call that a "siideline girl" who "occasionally" has some paid sex.

At those prices, she'd be happy to catch one customer a day, some days, if she's lucky.

I call B.S. on that story: former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?[/QUOTE]Why do they make it so obvious? I went from 500,000 baht per month fucking 2 guys per day for 6 years (totalling over US$1 million) to making 8000 baht per month doing what kind of job all day in an office with a university education. Likely story.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1904780]Very unlikely story.

SNIP

former bad girl, saved by a prince on a white horse, now repenting and admonishing would be "sideliners" to give up their wicked ways? Really?[/QUOTE]Reads like a novel. Throw in some adventures featuring lions and man eating tribals, this could be the next Oscar winner.

Separate thought. I wonder how this poor prince charming is doing now, rescuing a bar girl is hard work.

[URL]http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/do-you-think-well-pay-for-bad-things-weve-done-revelations-of-aussie-sex-tourists-in-thailand/news-story/a1490ec57bb51253003aa5a2c1547acd[/URL]

'Do you think we'll pay for bad things we've done?' Revelations of Aussie sex tourists in Thailand.

July 4, 20166:59 pm.

Two Thai women working at a bar in the red light district in Bangkok, a popular destination for Australia sex tourists.

IT'S a warm Monday evening, and somewhere in southeast Asia an Australian man is about to enter a bar filled with beautiful young women.

Dan isn't ashamed to say that he's spent a lot of time in karaoke bars and red light districts around Thailand. After all, he's just one of many Western men doing the same thing.

But while Dan could be your average Australian sex tourist there's one thing that sets him apart; he's actually an undercover rescue worker, searching for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girls and trafficking victims.

"It's a rough industry," he admits, as we talk of the girls he has seen rescued and the men who travel to Thailand to purchase them.

While the exact figures vary, research has shown Australian men to be among the largest contributors to sex tourism in southeast Asia, with cities such as Pattaya becoming a "home away from home" for an increasing number of Australian retirees.

However, despite being surrounded by beautiful beaches, cheap dining and endless sex, Dan says that many of the Western sex tourists he meets still feel like "something is missing".

"These men who've moved to Thailand, moved to Pattaya, moved to Bangkok, they've all got the same story," he says, sharing with me about the sex tourists and expats he's gotten to know over the years.

"They think coming to Thailand for sex is going to fill a void in their lives, so they pursue this dream — and then they realise that the lifestyle they've chosen is empty and meaningless. ".

Over the years Dan has spent time talking to many western sex tourists, many of whom — he says — seem to share a hauntingly universal story of broken relationships and regrets.

"At first they say, 'I get sex whenever I want, it's great!' But when you go a little bit deeper they always talk about their broken relationships, and how their marriage was the only one time that they felt true intimacy and love; that they could truly trust somebody," he reveals.

In particular, Dan remembers an Australian man who threw away his relationship back home to follow a lifestyle of freedom and pleasure in Thailand; a decision the man admitted was the 'biggest regret of his life. '.

"he tried everything to fill the void," says Dan. "Sex with young girls, sex with ladyboys, everything. And then one day he got to a point where he was like, 'what's next? What's left to try?

"I was sitting next to him, and out on the street in front of us were deaf girls, prostituting. He said: 'Hmm, deaf girls. Do you think they might be a good root?

It's easy to understand the emotional toll that such work takes on rescue workers and anti-trafficking staff like Dan, but it's a cause he says he never regrets leaving Australia for.

"Sometimes I wish that my calling was back in Australia, but there's a lot of hurt and broken girls that need assistance, and that's why I'm here," he says.

Sharing with me the impact that his work has had on him, Dan says that journeying into red light districts at times feels like he is entering the "most evil places on earth," but the joy that comes from helping young women inspires him to keep going.

"When we first meet them the girls they hate themselves. These girls were raped and abused, and now they feel that's all they're worth," he says. "So to see them loving life and thriving is what gets me off. ".

It's evident that Dan feels deeply for each of these girls, and his voice is often drenched with emotion as he talks about the damage done to young women at the hands of men looking to satisfy their own lust.

"Men pay for sex and then they leave; they don't journey with the girl," he says. "They don't see her crying in her room. They don't see the side I see after a rescue.

"The more men that have had sex with them, the harder it is and the less worth they feel. Lots of guys say 'they love it, they love this work. ' No, they don't," Dan says emotionally.

As I listen to Dan recount story after story, I wonder how a man so moved by justice can bear to speak to the men who purchase girls and women for sex. After all, many of the girls he has seen rescued were once raped and paid for by western sex tourists, men who Dan says excuse their behavior by claiming that they are helping the women.

"I feel like saying, 'if your daughter ended up in Thailand and didn't have any way to make money, and she was working in one of these bars, would you mind if I went and had sex with her? Would you see that as me helping her?

"They would do anything to get them out of there, but they justify it when it's a Thai girl," he says.

Incredibly however, for a man who has at times seen the worst of humanity, and heard every possible excuse, Dan can't help but feel sadness for the men he meets.

"Understandably, a lot of people in Australia, a lot of women, look at these men with bitterness and hatred and anger, but when you talk to these men, you realise the truth; that they're hurting men, they're lost men, they're men who've made decisions that have set them on a path of destruction," he explains.

"I remember one man asking, 'do you think after we die, we'll have to pay for all of these bad things that we've done? He recalls.

Recognising that each of these men are fighting their own battles does not mean that Dan condones their behavior, but rather, he understands that sex tourists need help to overcome their addictions — which in some cases, are killing them.

Over the past five years there have been many reports of Western men "obsessed with the Pattaya lifestyle" committing suicide from their hotel balconies; some of which have been caught on camera.

"Pattaya is meant to be the capital for men who want to move overseas for sex, but so many men commit suicide there," says Dan sadly.

"We were working with police and they showed us a video of a guy who threw himself off his balcony. They call it the 'Pattaya Plunge. '.

Discussions on the website 'Thai Visa' show that Western suicides are common, with many referring to the mysterious deaths as 'the Pattaya Flyers club. ' Some attribute the high rate of deaths to the region's wild and unsustainable lifestyle.

" . All the balcony jumpers is becoming all too frequent (sic)," says one user.

"Maybe after all it isn't paradise here, as some want us to believe?" says another.

It's an issue that has caught the attention of several organisations and ministry groups around Thailand such as Night Light International, and the MST Project, both of which aim to provide support to male sex tourists.

It's something that Dan agrees is well needed, not only to help men overcome their addictions, but to also help stop the damage done to young girls caught in the industry.

"I think if there were a group of men who went to the bars to meet these guys — not to preach at them — but to get alongside these men, to become mates with them and listen to their stories. That would definitely help," Dan says.

As we come to the end of our chat, I ask the rescue worker what he would say to these men if he could say anything; if he didn't have to hide who he was.

"If I could say everything and anything, I guess it would be: 'are you happy with who you've become, are you happy with this life?

"You can use all your skills and abilities to help people, not to take from them," he says.

"It's not too late to turn things around and become the man you're proud of. ".

Rawlinson must be gay or some kind of preacher fanatic or both QUOTE=Intransit;1 l-pay-for-bad-things-weve-done-revelations-of-aussie-sex-tourists-.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1904921]Reads like a novel. Throw in some adventures featuring lions and man eating tribals, this could be the next Oscar winner.

Separate thought. I wonder how this poor prince charming is doing now, rescuing a bar girl is hard work.[/QUOTE]Well, there is an old saying - "you can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl. "

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1378235]I have fucked both of them.

Pam twice. She has a car and one time she met me at the airport.

They are both great pieces of ass and very nice.[/QUOTE]Google.

Pam has new boobs now. No lb. YMMV but personally she takes care and is honest.

Definitely not Lb. PM me for latest details and photos. Could not upload.

I recall some "know it all" (I forget his handle just now) on the forum, well before the Nataree raids happened, rubbishing me, when I suggested that many girls there did not have full freedom to do what they like and that Traffic-ing was going on (and many non Thai girls), big time. I am only just catching up with the old news now, as was overseas not paying attention.

[URL]http://www.thephuketnews.com/five-brothel-execs-face-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-charges-57836.php[/URL]#BB1 WEjKTrAywZFVp. 97.

Apologies I could not find any really recent news popping up from a search.

Now I recall Mr. Ixgzca, saying these things were in the past, (on 18 july 2015 - I found it by search):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1748265&viewfull=1#post1748265[/url]

Naturally I feel sorry for the girls caught up in this problem. Plenty of girls have the unfortunate problem of not being legal simply because they were not born in Thailand. Obviously the legal girls can just move to some other place to work. Let girls make an honest living, providing there are no pimps to control them.

I much prefer uncontrolled girls free to do whatever they want, free to turn up to work as little as they please, etc.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1923612]I much prefer uncontrolled girls free to do whatever they want, free to turn up to work as little as they please, etc.[/QUOTE]I wish I could do the same at work. But unfortunately a business can't be run when employees get to come to work only when they choose. But if you work for yourself and are your own boss, then hey, knock yourself out. Even then, you are going to lose customers if you choose to work sporadically.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1923612]I recall some "know it all" (I forget his handle just now) on the forum, well before the Nataree raids happened, rubbishing me, when I suggested that many girls there did not have full freedom to do what they like and that Traffic-ing was going on (and many non Thai girls), big time. I am only just catching up with the old news now, as was overseas not paying attention.

[URL]http://www.thephuketnews.com/five-brothel-execs-face-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url]-charges-57836.php[/URL]#BB1 WEjKTrAywZFVp. 97.

Apologies I could not find any really recent news popping up from a search.

Now I recall Mr. Ixgzca, saying these things were in the past, (on 18 july 2015 - I found it by search):
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES!&p=1748265&viewfull=1#post1748265[/url]

Naturally I feel sorry for the girls caught up in this problem. Plenty of girls have the unfortunate problem of not being legal simply because they were not born in Thailand. Obviously the legal girls can just move to some other place to work. Let girls make an honest living, providing there are no pimps to control them.

I much prefer uncontrolled girls free to do whatever they want, free to turn up to work as little as they please, etc.[/QUOTE]Nice FR with good information bro.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1923612]I recall some "know it all" (I forget his handle just now) on the forum, well before the Nataree raids happened, rubbishing me, when I suggested that many girls there did not have full freedom to do what they like and that Traffic-ing was going on (and many non Thai girls), big time. I am only just catching up with the old news now, as was overseas not paying attention..[/QUOTE]Where in the article of thePhuketnews is written that the girls in Nataree had not full freedom to leave the job? I read that many of them were "lured" to work at Nataree. English is not my first language but I think that "lured" does not mean "compelled", "forced" or "constrained".

I have been with several girls at Nataree and all of them showed me a good smile, either before the session and after (when I gave them their tip, LOL). My experience is that I never had the impression to be with someone forced to stay there.

The investigations director of the "anti-traffic ing organization" who provided the audio recordings proving that the girls were "lured" into prostitution at Nataree, now is surely very happy that the women were fined and are lacking the full freedom to leave the detention center.

Check Inn 99 (with the Philippean band) has relocated:

From 01 August 2016 edition of "The Midnight Hour":

"When the Check Inn 99 closed on July 2 (or the wee hours of July 3.) of this year, a new home had already been found on Soi 24. And for consistency's sake, it would be another (soft) merger. This time with the Admiral's Pub & Restaurant. And for consistency's sake, yet again, both signages may be found on entering. It will be interesting to see what the final signage will read. But you can take it to your bookie that it will have a "99" therein. ".

Also look here for pics of Chrome bar and Wood Bar (the new Dr. BJ frontages), (find "Chrome bar"):
[URL]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/[/url]

Something I thought was very amusing: There is no such place as the River Kwai in Thailand. It is actually the river Kwae (sounds like Qua as in Quack) in province Kanchanaburi (pronounced Garn-chana- booree). Kwai means buffalo but has no relevance at all to the famous river near the "death railway". I guess westerners changed the name to Kwai to make it easier to pronounce but most Thais would have no idea what is being spoken of with wrong pronunciation. As a newbie to Thailand, taxis would misunderstand where I wanted to go, purely because I could not pronounce places properly.

If you tell the taxi to take you to Colonze, you have better pronounce it Co-lawn-SAY, or they will look baffled. And La Defense becomes Lar-day-fawng, Chao Phya 2 becomes Jao-Phra-Yar Song. Its all so tricky for a newbie.

I was once taken to the wrong place because I did not say "In-trar" when I wanted to go to the Indra Regent Hotel. I ended up at the Regent Hotel instead.

First time I asked a taxi to go to Henri Dunant road I had no idea it had to be pronounced: "Ang-ree-doo-nang". I don't know if this is close to the French way or not.

Maybe print a Map including Thai writing if you cannot say it the Thai way, although not sure that Thais can read Maps. LOL.

The most important one of all, there is a place called Pattaya, which does not sound at all like Pa-THAI-ya. It must be like Put-a-yar (Put rhymes with nut), and Phuket sounds like Poo-get.

What makes it all difficult is the English spellings for Thai places are often way off. Thais often spell person names into English in very silly ways too.
The ex prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. His surname is actually sounding like Wait-char-chee-wa. In Thai อภิสิทธิ์ เวชชาชีวะ
There is no letter V sound in Thai language. Sukhumvit road is really Sukhumwit road.

Some guy recently reported his girl was called Van. Since English V sound does not exist in Thai, it probably should have been Waen which means "ring", a common Thai girls name.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1924431]Something I thought was very amusing: There is no such place as the River Kwai in Thailand. It is actually the river Kwae (sounds like Qua as in Quack) in province Kanchanaburi (pronounced Garn-chana- booree). Kwai means buffalo but has no relevance at all to the famous river near the "death railway". I guess westerners changed the name to Kwai to make it easier to pronounce but most Thais would have no idea what is being spoken of with wrong pronunciation. As a newbie to Thailand, taxis would misunderstand where I wanted to go, purely because I could not pronounce places properly.

If you tell the taxi to take you to Colonze, you have better pronounce it Co-lawn-SAY, or they will look baffled. And La Defense becomes Lar-day-fawng, Chao Phya 2 becomes Jao-Phra-Yar Song. Its all so tricky for a newbie.

I was once taken to the wrong place because I did not say "In-trar" when I wanted to go to the Indra Regent Hotel. I ended up at the Regent Hotel instead.

First time I asked a taxi to go to Henri Dunant road I had no idea it had to be pronounced: "Ang-ree-doo-nang". I don't know if this is close to the French way or not.

Maybe print a Map including Thai writing if you cannot say it the Thai way, although not sure that Thais can read Maps. LOL.

The most important one of all, there is a place called Pattaya, which does not sound at all like Pa-THAI-ya. It must be like Put-a-yar (Put rhymes with nut), and Phuket sounds like Poo-get.

What makes it all difficult is the English spellings for Thai places are often way off. Thais often spell person names into English in very silly ways too.
The ex prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. His surname is actually sounding like Wait-char-chee-wa. In Thai อภิสิทธิ์ เวชชาชีวะ
There is no letter V sound in Thai language. Sukhumvit road is really Sukhumwit road.

Some guy recently reported his girl was called Van. Since English V sound does not exist in Thai, it probably should have been Waen which means "ring", a common Thai girls name.[/QUOTE]Good info, thanks Syzgies. Does the letter "k" always sound like a "g" as in Kanchanaburi? I'll never be able to learn Thai but I would like to improve my pronunciation a bit.

[QUOTE=Allover;1924711]Good info, thanks Syzgies. Does the letter "k" always sound like a "g" as in Kanchanaburi? I'll never be able to learn Thai but I would like to improve my pronunciation a bit.[/QUOTE]Yes most people would be surprised it sounds like GARN-chana-booree. Kan sounding Garn is a common Thai girl's name, too, short for Kanchana (sounds like Garn-ja-nar), or also can be short form of Sukanya.

In most Thai words or syllables starting with a K, it sounds like a G (but lacking a buzz or vibration of an English G). If they really want the English K sound, then Kh will be used, as in Sukhumvit / Sukhumwit.

Hence Bongkot massage sounds like Bong-got. Kai sounds like Gai and is the chicken. Khai is the egg.

To get and English T or P (aspirated) sound, usually use Th or Ph in the English spelling of the Thai word, as in Thai and Phuket.

An English Th sound does not exist in Thai language, nor in German. Other English sounds that don't exist in Thai:
Th, Sh, v, x, z,
and lots of consonant sounds in English never appear at the end of a Thai word, e.g.:
f, h, j, l, q, r, s.

Thai l and r are a bit different to English versions.

Many Thai vowel sounds are rather different to English vowels and closer to European vowel sounds like in German as an example.

Unfortunately it takes a very long time to learn Thai pronunciation properly, to include the tones. I would say first 6 months of learning Thai is concentrating on pronunciation. That is the hard part. Vocab is not so tough and Grammar is easy, so little to learn. If someone gets past the first 6 months of hard work, Thai gets a lot easier over time.

I try to learn Isaan too now, however find the pronunciation of the tones very difficult to comprehend, and difficult to find any teacher that can explain it properly, even if they speak Isaan. So the tones are different to normal Thai. Tricky.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1924757]Hence Bongkot massage sounds like Bong-got. [/QUOTE]I live on Soi Bongkot, but for some reason when I tell 90% of the chicks where I live they always repeat Soi Buakhao? The average westerner, even if something is not pronounced correctly, could extrapolate what the person is trying to say. But it does not work like that in Thailand. Seriously, does my pronounciation of Bongkot sound anything remotely like Buakhao?

This chick who I have been messing with for years works at a restaurant. She was telling me about an upcoming holiday where some customer wants her to prepare a bite-sized desert. I forgot the name of them, but they have to be made by hand. Usually she charges 5 baht each for them. But this customer needs like 1500. So guess how much she will charge? 6 baht each! I said but they are giving you more business so you are supposed to charge them less. She said but since it is more work for her to do she has to charge them more. Well since you put it like that...

I just asked and she sent me a picture of them and said this time she only had to make 1400. She said in February she had to make 3000 for the same customer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924818]This chick who I have been messing with for years works at a restaurant. She was telling me about an upcoming holiday where some customer wants her to prepare a bite-sized desert. I forgot the name of them, but they have to be made by hand. Usually she charges 5 baht each for them. But this customer needs like 1500. So guess how much she will charge? 6 baht each! I said but they are giving you more business so you are supposed to charge them less. She said but since it is more work for her to do she has to charge them more. Well since you put it like that...

I just asked and she sent me a picture of them and said this time she only had to make 1400. She said in February she had to make 3000 for the same customer.[/QUOTE]I buy products in Indonesia and Bali and it's the same logic there. The more you order the higher the price on handmade items. They have to hire helpers and they complain that employees are hard to find so they must pay them more to work.

I love Asia.

RL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924818]This chick who I have been messing with for years works at a restaurant. She was telling me about an upcoming holiday where some customer wants her to prepare a bite-sized desert. I forgot the name of them, but they have to be made by hand. Usually she charges 5 baht each for them. But this customer needs like 1500. So guess how much she will charge? 6 baht each! I said but they are giving you more business so you are supposed to charge them less. She said but since it is more work for her to do she has to charge them more. Well since you put it like that...

I just asked and she sent me a picture of them and said this time she only had to make 1400. She said in February she had to make 3000 for the same customer.[/QUOTE]Suppose she could ring up 5 other persons that sell these things, and orders 300 from each at a discount of 4 Baht each. If she sells at 4 Baht she will make nothing. If she sells at 5 Baht, she will make 1500 Baht, but quality of the product is not guaranteed. She wants to make some of them herself to increase her profit and obviously 6 baht each greatly enhances her end profit by another 1500. She figures that customer will accept 6 Baht. So in the end she will make a tidy amount, depending on how many she can produce herself. She does not want to put up with just the normal small margin for such a big order. LOL. If she could round up all the members of her family to help make the whole lot of the 1500, good but still its only 7500 less ingredient costs to be shared.

Amazing what a street vendor sells a whole BBQed chicken for these days. Could be close to 200 Baht. I could get it in a Germany roast chicken shop for much less than that. 15 years ago, the BBQed chicken was sold vastly cheaper than modern prices in Bangkok, perhaps 50 Baht (I can't remember exactly), yet everyone is surprised when prices of girls goes up some similar amount.

In ten years time I probably won't be able to afford mongering in Bangkok any more. Everyone will have moved to Phnom Penh. I will be growing my own veggies in the country.

[QUOTE=Squalid;1923784]Where in the article of thePhuketnews is written that the girls in Nataree had not full freedom to leave the job? I read that many of them were "lured" to work at Nataree. English is not my first language but I think that "lured" does not mean "compelled", "forced" or "constrained".
[/QUOTE]Look I don't care what exact words were used in the article. My understanding after talking to several girls over several years, was that they did not receive any significant share of the payment and that it went to her "manager". She was also not free to simply leave the job if she wanted to go work some other place or other job. You can imagine the pimps would be upset about that. Some girls were on a "contract" to pay back some debt. I am disagreeing with that sort of thing. Illegal girls, e. G. Foreigners, with no papers are not in a position to run to the police that may be corrupt anyway. Nataree was not the only place I met a girl with a "contract debt". Mona Lisa was another example, its too long ago to remember all cases in detail now.

If girl received an extra cash tip, it would be appreciated but had to be kept secret from the "managers" who provided the lodgings, the transport, everything really. Charges for these things would be added to the girl's debt.

I did not have same conversations with every girl I met there. There are many girls where I don't know their circumstances, and what I am told is just stories rather than facts. However I reached the conclusion that not all girls were free to do as they pleased for one reason or another.

I don't think Massage shops or other shops should be allowed to have a direct relationship with managers of the girls (pimps). Girls should receive the money they earn directly. What complicates the issue, is the illegality of selling sex in the first place.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925204]Look I don't care what exact words were used in the article. My understanding after talking to several girls over several years, was that they did not receive any significant share of the payment and that it went to her "manager". She was also not free to simply leave the job if she wanted to go work some other place or other job. You can imagine the pimps would be upset about that. Some girls were on a "contract" to pay back some debt. I am disagreeing with that sort of thing. Illegal girls, e. G. Foreigners, with no papers are not in a position to run to the police that may be corrupt anyway. Nataree was not the only place I met a girl with a "contract debt". Mona Lisa was another example, its too long ago to remember all cases in detail now..[/QUOTE]I do not doubt that some girls said to you about "managers" controlling them and that they could not leave the massage parlor for going to another place or another kind of job, until debt is paid with interests. And I surely agree with you, disagreeing that sort of thing. I only pointed out that in the link you provided such stories were not mentioned.

Maybe the girls are scared to report to the police about the contract debt and the pimps getting the most of their wage. Though we don't know why the girls are in the contract debt; not necessarily they were sold to the pimps against their will. They could have agreed to the contract debt knowing what they would face, but knowing also that when the debt is paid, their finances will be better than not agreeing to the "contract". Furthermore they could prefer to be controlled to stay in the massage parlor brothel, rather to be controlled to work as peasants or other hard jobs. Besides, they could have only tried to arouse your pity to convince you to give them a larger tip, LOL.

Contrary to you, I never heard those stories from Nataree girls. Maybe because I frequented the place only from 2014 and, of the girls I met there, only one spoke good English: a 26 years old former caddy at a golf club, with beautiful face, nice body and the usual minimal service you got at that place. Of the other girls, someone could not understand "how old are you" and "where you come from" either.

By my side, I don't speak Thai language (nor Burmese, LOL) and I usually don't ask to the girls why they do that job, nor I like they ask me why I go to the massage parlor (now it doesn't happen anymore, but 15-20 years ago, when I was in my early thirties, they asked me frequently). I only ensured that, before choosing the lady, she showed me some sign of interest, at least a faint smile.

The only time that a girl spoke to me about contract debts in Thailand was in 2002-2003. I barfined a very nice girl at a big bar in Soi Cowboy. She come from Surin, was 18 year old (maybe) and spoke poor English. The second time I barfined her I wanted to ask why she worked in the bar and the answer was: "loan", "loan".

About Mona Lisa, once I asked a massage lady to come to my hotel when she did not work at the parlor. She said she could not do that and made a sign with her hand that her throat would be cut. Though, it could only be a way to refuse my proposal and to avoid that I insist or that I feel offended.

I don't know if girls from Myanmar can all speak their official language. Various racial groups like Karen and Thaiyai have their own languages. I will ask a Thaiyai girl that I know what languages she speaks. One if them is a northern Thai dialect. She does not speak English. She speaks Thai a bit strangely. Lives in Chiang Mai these days.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925503]I don't know if girls from Myanmar can all speak their official language. [/QUOTE]You are correct, not all can speak the official language.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1924818]This chick who I have been messing with for years works at a restaurant. She was telling me about an upcoming holiday where some customer wants her to prepare a bite-sized desert. I forgot the name of them, but they have to be made by hand. Usually she charges 5 baht each for them. But this customer needs like 1500. So guess how much she will charge? 6 baht each! I said but they are giving you more business so you are supposed to charge them less. She said but since it is more work for her to do she has to charge them more. Well since you put it like that...

I just asked and she sent me a picture of them and said this time she only had to make 1400. She said in February she had to make 3000 for the same customer.[/QUOTE]I kinda agree with her! I would do the same, IF I had to make something a) during or right before a holiday b) make a heck of a lot more than I like to make, Per day, and c) have it still be fresh (as the customer surely can tell) and maintain the consistency and quality.

So, in this case I think I would do the same, simply because of having to produce more in a very limited amount of time, right before a holiday, and if the demand for my product, and my time during the holiday, had an "opportunity cost".

I'm not implying that all of the above concepts went through the girl's head, but rather lessons learned from prior experience with the same customer for large quantities in a short time window right before a holiday.

I would like to ask Syzgies or any Thai speaker to please help me pronounce Asoke. It looks easy enough. I say Asoke as if it rhymes with the word book. But on the BTS it seems the announcement says asoo as if the "k" were silent. My hearing sucks but I would like to pronounce this word correctly since I go there all the time while in BKK.

And while we are at it the words for blowjob and handjob. Is the word for blowjob pronounced like home without the "h"? And is the word for handjob pronounced chuck wow? Thanks for any answers. I am embarrassed I know so little Thai.

[QUOTE=Allover;1925592]

Is the word for blowjob pronounced like home without the "h"? .[/QUOTE]Close enough.

[QUOTE=Allover;1925592]I would like to ask Syzgies or any Thai speaker to please help me pronounce Asoke. It looks easy enough. I say Asoke as if it rhymes with the word book. But on the BTS it seems the announcement says asoo as if the "k" were silent. My hearing sucks but I would like to pronounce this word correctly since I go there all the time while in BKK.

And while we are at it the words for blowjob and handjob. Is the word for blowjob pronounced like home without the "h"? And is the word for handjob pronounced chuck wow? Thanks for any answers. I am embarrassed I know so little Thai.[/QUOTE]Asoke sounds like Ah-soak (the Ah is short). So does not really rhyme with book. The K is very soft so understandable difficult to hear.

Om means to keep something in the mouth (like a sucker or a dick). Rhymes with Home I guess but shorter. Thai O sound is different to English O, closer to German O sound, so like the Om in German Thomas. Say Om with a very closed small mouth. Om Joo (or Om Hum) would mean suck on the dick. Joo rhymes with Coup (silent p).

Most girls probably know the English "Blowjob". Sometimes it is known as "smoking" by bargirls since the Thai word "doot" is used for sucking or smoking a cigarette.

Chuck Wow means literally "fly a kite" but is a Euphemism for a wank. How to use for a HJ I am not sure, I never ask for HJ.

I guess "Chuay Chuck Wow hai (phom)" would mean Help wank me. I would be more likely to say "Chuay nuat joo" meaning help massage my dick.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1925611]Asoke sounds like Ah-soak (the Ah is short). So does not really rhyme with book. The K is very soft so understandable difficult to hear.
[/QUOTE]Maybe sound of Asoke is closer to Ah-Sork in English, rhymes with the way a German would pronounce Coke (small round closed mouth). I have studied German a bit as well. As mentioned before Thai vowels are similar to German vowel sounds and not so similar to English vowels, with a few exceptions, where an English vowel is very much the same as Thai vowel, however not for letter O.

Some Thai words are very difficult to make into an English approximation.

Years ago, in addition to Thai language classes, I got to listen to Thai a lot by watching Thai Soap Opera videos, when I was not actually in Thailand, once my Thai reached a basic level. These can be obtained on Youtube, however it is hard to find any of these serials that are really watchable. Most are a bit too childish and too over acted. In the modern day I use Thai language every day in Thailand. Hardly speak English.

At start, everyone needs a good strict teacher to fix pronunciation problems. Wrong pronunciation makes you non understandable, wrong grammar is not a problem at all. besides Thai grammar is exceptionally easy. Learned with a few basic drills of the patterns.

I am here 30 to 40% of the time. For any guys exceeding these levels of attendance, I do recommend to learn Thai. My task now is to learn Isaan dialect when I have time. If you have no time to dedicate to a language, it becomes a bit hopeless. Really needs consistent effort, nearly every day.

Ordered a combo 8 at KFC in Bangkok. It has a zinger, fries, large Pepsi, coleslaw, a large piece of chicken at THB 161.00. Really cheap when you compare it with any country. Even in Pattaya, the same combo is at THB 249.00. Very strange.

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1929375]Ordered a combo 8 at KFC in Bangkok. It has a zinger, fries, large Pepsi, coleslaw, a large piece of chicken at THB 161.00. Really cheap when you compare it with any country. Even in Pattaya, the same combo is at THB 249.00. Very strange.[/QUOTE]The price of food in Thailand can be as little as 20% of the price you would expect to pay in my home country. So junk food (high calories low nutrition) places like Maccas (McDonalds) and KFC are not the cheapest way to eat, if cheap is a major factor. You can get more nutritional dishes containing vegetable content for 30 or 40 Baht. Maybe up to 90 Baht for a good quantity of meat to be added. You can live very cheaply. Its mongering that costs significant money.

I try to cut down significantly on dining in restaurants as its a waste of money. Even cook my own food here, although not cheaper than buying it ready made. If I eat in restaurant, I want reasonably good quality, same as if I monger I want a reasonably good quality girl, not always the cheapest.

I never eat KFC or McDonalds. I am watching my weight somewhat, and I never used them even when not dieting.

Thanks for your input. May be I didn't convey the point I was trying to make in a better way. The same menu of a multinational food chain has such a big price difference: THB 161.00 in Bangkok and THB 249.00 in Pattaya.

You may be having a different diet or eating habit that's good for you. My diet or eating habit is different from yours. That's all.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1929724] The price of food in Thailand can be as little as 20% of the price you would expect to pay in my home country. I never eat KFC or McDonalds. I am watching my weight somewhat, and I never used them even when not dieting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1929839]Thanks for your input. May be I didn't convey the point I was trying to make in a better way. The same menu of a multinational food chain has such a big price difference: THB 161.00 in Bangkok and THB 249.00 in Pattaya.

You may be having a different diet or eating habit that's good for you. My diet or eating habit is different from yours. That's all.[/QUOTE]Prices go up in tourist areas. Obvious really. A haircut where I stay is very cheap. If I get it cut in tourist area, the price doubles. Prices in Supermarkets like Foodland, VillaMarkt, and MaxValue can be steep in tourist areas, especially for imported Stuff. Italian coffee grounds like Lavazza could be 3 to 4 times the price in Italy. They even can charge a lot for onions claiming they were imported. They sell exotic brands of Ice Cream at incredible prices. Not sure if these stores also operate in non tourist areas.

I suggest you boycott KFC in Pattaya at least, if the price really matters. I would. My 249 Baht could do much better. I bought a whole roast chicken the other day for 109 Baht in Tesco Lotus. I have a microwave and fridge so that will last me several meals. A quarter at a time is enough protein. I add vegetables separately. If I am lazy to cook, I can buy a pre-prepared meal serve in a plastic bag at local street side stalls, often 30 to 40 Baht. I known this is not relevant to you but I suggest it to others looking to save money. I don't have microbe phobias so am happy to buy from street stalls that do brisk business and have fresh stuff. I don't eat French fries and rarely eat rice. These are considered junk filler non-nutritional stuff. I do eat bad stuff sometimes when it is sufficiently enticing. I try to keep sugar intake well down. That is not possible at McDonalds that put sugar even on French Fries and have high sugar buns. It is possible to get a reasonable quality hamburger at certain places and I do. Nana Hamburger stand is not one of them. The guy who runs that now is dumb and buys low quality meat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931074]Prices go up in tourist areas. Obvious really. A haircut where I stay is very cheap. If I get it cut in tourist area, the price doubles. Prices in Supermarkets like Foodland, VillaMarkt, and MaxValue can be steep in tourist areas, especially for imported Stuff. Italian coffee grounds like Lavazza could be 3 to 4 times the price in Italy. They even can charge a lot for onions claiming they were imported. They sell exotic brands of Ice Cream at incredible prices. Not sure if these stores also operate in non tourist areas.

I suggest you boycott KFC in Pattaya at least, if the price really matters. I would. My 249 Baht could do much better. I bought a whole roast chicken the other day for 109 Baht in Tesco Lotus. I have a microwave and fridge so that will last me several meals. A quarter at a time is enough protein. I add vegetables separately. If I am lazy to cook, I can buy a pre-prepared meal serve in a plastic bag at local street side stalls, often 30 to 40 Baht. I known this is not relevant to you but I suggest it to others looking to save money. I don't have microbe phobias so am happy to buy from street stalls that do brisk business and have fresh stuff. I don't eat French fries and rarely eat rice. These are considered junk filler non-nutritional stuff. I do eat bad stuff sometimes when it is sufficiently enticing. I try to keep sugar intake well down. That is not possible at McDonalds that put sugar even on French Fries and have high sugar buns. It is possible to get a reasonable quality hamburger at certain places and I do. Nana Hamburger stand is not one of them. The guy who runs that now is dumb and buys low quality meat.[/QUOTE]Just curious, but where do you get a good Hamburger in BKK?

Have you tried the Daniel Thaiger food truck? I keep meaning to try it but never get around to it.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931676]Where do you get a good Hamburger in BKK?
[/QUOTE]Oskar's Bistro has a pretty tasty cheeseburger served up with hand cut fries and as a bonus you can check out some of the well dressed FL's while you are there. Ha Ha. Additionally I am sure many of the classy 5* hotel restaurants will serve up a quality burger too. The worst burger I have ever tried was the MOS Burger in Central World. What an abomination. You got to love the Japanese, not.

Stay thirsty, Uncle V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931676]Just curious, but where do you get a good Hamburger in BKK?
[/QUOTE]My usual spot that makes a good Burger is at @Corner bar opposite The Old Dutch restaurant at end of Cowboy. I don't take French fries and haven't checked out anything other than Burger with everything, in my case including fried onions and they have pepper to put on if you like (essential for me), and a variety of sauces. Fortunately they do not put on any Mayo or other crap which would make it soggy. I am sure you can you own mayo if desired. The quality of the meat is reasonable. My favourite waitress is named Carrot. She is funny.

The views of guys with interesting girls or LBs walking past is quite entertaining, not exactly always candy, but some very nice looking girls. It's right next to Baccara.

For a more exotic burger (at a higher price), Bradman's sports bar Soi 23 has a lot of interesting burger variations. The Juicy Lucy is my favorite but it is a big thick patty so takes a little time to cook. They also have a burger with Portobello mushrooms that I like. Then there are US style or Aussie style, and others. Favourite waitress Aey.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1931688]Oskar's Bistro has a pretty tasty cheeseburger served up with hand cut fries and as a bonus you can check out some of the well dressed FL's while you are there. Ha Ha. Additionally I am sure many of the classy 5* hotel restaurants will serve up a quality burger too. The worst burger I have ever tried was the MOS Burger in Central World. What an abomination. You got to love the Japanese, not.

Stay thirsty, Uncle V.[/QUOTE]Thanks Natty. You are a font of info!

Haven't had the burger but I do like the Steak Tatar at Oskar. And they do a mean old fashioned too. Nice, classy and relaxing place.

The eye candy on offer, though, is not so great. A little old for my taste. Though I have spied a few nice milfs there in the past.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931676]Just curious, but where do you get a good Hamburger in BKK?[/QUOTE]If you go to the end of Cowboy, there is the place on the left that Syzygies mentions. They have a giant "best burger" sign. Swing right and you will see Bradmans. If you go left, you walk about the same distance as Bradman's and you will see the Clubhouse Grill. They specialize in burgers and it is real BBQ grill taste, with lots of varieties. Across from the Clubhouse Grill is a new place which I was going to try. They have a huge open pit BBQ. Was quite crowded as I walked by this evening. Plan to give it a try this week. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931725]If you go to the end of Cowboy, there is the place on the left that Syzygies mentions. They have a giant "best burger" sign. Swing right and you will see Bradmans. If you go left, you walk about the same distance as Bradman's and you will see the Clubhouse Grill. They specialize in burgers and it is real BBQ grill taste, with lots of varieties. Across from the Clubhouse Grill is a new place which I was going to try. They have a huge open pit BBQ. Was quite crowded as I walked by this evening. Plan to give it a try this week. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Yes I have eaten a burger at Clubhouse Grill too. Was a little less exotic than some of Bradman's burgers, or less unusual if you like. The place opposite is called Whisgars and the Restaurant part is called Craft I believe. I once met the probable head chef of Craft, before it opened, who was dining in Bradman's Sports Bar at the time. He was pretty confident his restaurant was going to be very special quality, but I haven't tried. I assumed the price would be higher. I guess he was an American. Chef's at Bradmans are Thai of course but well trained in Western food.

Chefs at @corner bar Burger Stand are from Myanmar most likely. They don't speak Thai as well as I do. However they do a good job. They know exactly how I want it.

The Nana Plaza Burger Stand have very inferior burgers. I suggest do not take one from there. Really crap meat. Is it even beef? The colour is light. Full of fillers?

I went to local Tesco Super Market and local food stalls.

Spent a total of 400 Baht, on nutritious food including vegetable dominated content in most dishes, supporting low Carbohydrate diet to enable weight loss.

Will last me 3 days plus including today, where have only eaten Rolled Oats so far. Can be refrigerated and reheated.

So can live on about $5 a day for food, no problems, it have a microwave, and eat at home. This is buying very affordable types of food, no imported stuff.

Rent for me in this room is 8000 Baht per month with furniture, plus electricity is extra. I supply a portable Induction Cooker and microwave.

So rent plus electricity is about $10 per day. In another 10 to 20 years It won't be this good of course.

My location is not totally optimal for mongering. LOL. Chosen by GF. In future I will move to a house in the country, for the quiet life, so I will probably not be in Bangkok sufficiently to justify renting by the month any more.

I waste some of my rent due to being here only 4 months per year, but its still cheaper than staying in a Hotel. I do not bring girls here to fuck.

Don't want everyone to know what a sleaze bucket I am.

Can use the money saved (over living in Farang Country) for mongering.

On way home from shopping near On Nut BTS a very hot girl in long black dress, cute ass, and good sized tits, passed. Despite the big sunglasses hiding her face she immediately reminded me very strongly of a hot Twisters dancer I had admired. Could not be sure so possibly wrong.

Two days earlier spotted Praow (crazy House ex DollHouse) going up stairs to go to work via the BTS (On Nut). This time certain, and she recognised me since I have fucked her long time ago. Pity she did not like kissing, DATY, or BJ. Her tits and pussy are useless (even on the girl instead of on a bull). So many girls from Cowboy live in district of Pra Khanong, On Nut, or Ratchadaa Sois. I like to think of On Nut as being like how a Thai would pronounce "All Nude". Not quite but near enough.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1931725]If you go to the end of Cowboy, there is the place on the left that Syzygies mentions. They have a giant "best burger" sign. Swing right and you will see Bradmans. If you go left, you walk about the same distance as Bradman's and you will see the Clubhouse Grill. They specialize in burgers and it is real BBQ grill taste, with lots of varieties. Across from the Clubhouse Grill is a new place which I was going to try. They have a huge open pit BBQ. Was quite crowded as I walked by this evening. Plan to give it a try this week. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Thansk sounds great /.

I will check it out when I am back in town next month.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1931676]Just curious, but where do you get a good Hamburger in BKK?[/QUOTE]Completely agree with the suggestions made by Natty, Syzy and Asian Rain. Not tried Craft / Whisgars.

But if there ever was a good expensive steak in BKK it has to be El Gaucho. Argentinian pampa grass fed cuts. MAn, I can't wait to sink my teeth into a filet mignon! Slurrppp.

And the ribs, chorizo and other stuff are great too. Definitely on the expensive side. And they make a mean Capirinha with plenty of cachacha.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931735]Yes I have eaten a burger at Clubhouse Grill too. Was a little less exotic than some of Bradman's burgers, or less unusual if you like. The place opposite is called Whisgars and the Restaurant part is called Craft I believe. I once met the probable head chef of Craft, before it opened, who was dining in Bradman's Sports Bar at the time. He was pretty confident his restaurant was going to be very special quality, but I haven't tried. I assumed the price would be higher. I guess he was an American. Chef's at Bradmans are Thai of course but well trained in Western food.

Chefs at @corner bar Burger Stand are from Myanmar most likely. They don't speak Thai as well as I do. However they do a good job. They know exactly how I want it.

The Nana Plaza Burger Stand have very inferior burgers. I suggest do not take one from there. Really crap meat. Is it even beef? The colour is light. Full of fillers?[/QUOTE]Burgers- Burgers and Bangers on the sub-soi right before Suk Soi 20 or Chunky Soi 23 turn right after Craft.

Craft is very expensive. Want some good craft beer? Hit Wishbeer on Suk 67 for happy hour. 200 baht pints of Euro and US beer.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1932595]Completely agree with the suggestions made by Natty, Syzy and Asian Rain. Not tried Craft / Whisgars.

But if there ever was a good expensive steak in BKK it has to be El Gaucho. Argentinian pampa grass fed cuts. MAn, I can't wait to sink my teeth into a filet mignon! Slurrppp.

And the ribs, chorizo and other stuff are great too. Definitely on the expensive side. And they make a mean Capirinha with plenty of cachacha.[/QUOTE]Agreed, but damn 100 USD for a steak is really pricey. Empanadas excellent as well. Good budget steak try Colors Cafe near W District Phrakanong.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1931688]Oskar's Bistro has a pretty tasty cheeseburger served up with hand cut fries and as a bonus you can check out some of the well dressed FL's while you are there. Ha Ha. Additionally I am sure many of the classy 5* hotel restaurants will serve up a quality burger too. The worst burger I have ever tried was the MOS Burger in Central World. What an abomination. You got to love the Japanese, not.

Stay thirsty, Uncle V.[/QUOTE]In that area, Firehouse, right around the corner is very good.

Guys,

I'm planning to visit Pattaya this October.

Please clarify some doubts.

1. Since I am alone can I get a lady companion from Pattaya. If yes then how much will I have to pay?

2. I never visited any bar in Pattaya so walking street is new to me. Heard about tony disco. Can you elaborate on that.

3. A cheap and best hotel to stay in Pattaya?

4. Precautions while travelling alone?

5. Last time I found really beautiful receptionists there how to hook up with them?

Please help me.

I heard good things about Firehouse and wanted to try it one hot late afternoon, but it is a small restaurant and the only available seating at that moment was outside so I passed on it. I will give it a try sooner or later. The burgers looked good.

Whisgars / Craft has another location on the corner of Silom and Surasak. I passed by it one afternoon and smiled. The branch on Soi 23 is very popular. I like a good craft beer as much as anybody. My current favorite brew is Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA. A really tasty brew. I wonder if it is available in BKK. Kind of doubt it.

El Gaucho; I have walked past the place so many times. Sounds like it is the real deal, but $100 for a steak, yikes, that's more expensive than the Capital Grill back home. Does it come with parmesan truffle fries or at least an empanada on the side. 555. Thanks for the tip.

Putting things back into perspective, the Cowboy burger stand is going to cost you $5 for a pretty good burger. A large (too large for me) pretty good quality steak can be had else where for $25 (e. G. Bradman's). A smaller one for much less. A wouldn't waste $100 on a steak, I would rather waste it on girls. LOL.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]
5. Last time I found really beautiful receptionists there how to hook up with them?

Please help me.[/QUOTE]Mongering is not really compatible with hooking up with Hotel Receptionist in a classy Hotel. You don't have much show of hooking up with them, assuming they are top quality.

They can be very choosy about your class, nationality, amount of money etc.

In a low class Hotel maybe. You did ask about cheap Hotels.

You have to consider that a non P4 P girl won't want to be seen with a probable monger Farang in Pattaya other than she will take you to some place where she can get a commission from the house, e. G. Restaurant or disco.

But only where you are in public view. She won't go to your room.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]Guys,

I'm planning to visit Pattaya this October.[/QUOTE]Good idea!

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]Please clarify some doubts.

1. Since I am alone can I get a lady companion from Pattaya. If yes then how much will I have to pay?[/QUOTE]Of course. Pattaya is full of women that wish to provide their services to visitors. Prices start at about 500 baht and go up to 10000 baht or more, depending on where you found her, how she looks, what services you require and how long you will keep her. The Pattaya Reports forum on this site will tell you more.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]2. I never visited any bar in Pattaya so walking street is new to me. Heard about tony disco. Can you elaborate on that[/QUOTE]Walking Street is not really the "bar area" of Pattaya. It is mainly discos and agogo clubs. If you want to pick-up someone from a bar, Soi 6 is a good place to start. I cannot tell you anything useful about discos as I cannot stand the dreadful sound levels they pump out. You will find reports on the discos and clubs in the Pattaya Reports forum.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]3. A cheap and best hotel to stay in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Cheap and best is a difficult combination. See the Pattaya Hotels forum on this site for more info.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]4. Precautions while travelling alone?[/QUOTE]Don't get drunk; don't carry too much money or valuables with you; don't get into a fight; smile; if things don't go as planned, just go with the flow and smile even more; read the Pattaya forums on this site so you know price-levels and obvious things to do and don't. If a Thai man approaches you and presents you with a unique oportunity to buy cheaply gold, jewelry, gems, suits, ties, theatre tickets, boat rides, jet-ski or scooter or motorcycle rentals, hotel rooms, . . . or procure you the services of Thai women: smile and walk on, you are seconds away from being scammed. Stay far away from any kind of illegal drugs. Very recently the Thai Court of Appeal confirmed a 50 year jail sentence for an Englishman who was found carrying drugs (200 tablets of extasy). His Aussie friend in whose apartment 61 tablets were found, got two life sentences. ([url]https://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/appeal-court-uphold-english-drug-dealers-50-year-sentence[/url])

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1932643]5. Last time I found really beautiful receptionists there how to hook up with them?[/QUOTE]Bad idea unless you really intend to make her your long-time girlfriend. If she is really beautiful she will get everyday a baker's dozen proposals to go on a date with horny hotel guests. Any classy hotel will have rules on "fraternizing with guests" (read: it is forbidden). If it is your intention to get free sex from beautiful receptionsts, you are in for a big disappointment.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933147]Good idea!

Of course. Pattaya is full of women that wish to provide their services to visitors. Prices start at about 500 baht and go up to 10000 baht or more, depending on where you found her, how she looks, what services you require and how long you will keep her. The Pattaya Reports forum on this site will tell you more.

Walking Street is not really the "bar area" of Pattaya. It is mainly discos and agogo clubs. If you want to pick-up someone from a bar, Soi 6 is a good place to start. I cannot tell you anything useful about discos as I cannot stand the dreadful sound levels they pump out. You will find reports on the discos and clubs in the Pattaya Reports forum.

Cheap and best is a difficult combination. See the Pattaya Hotels forum on this site for more info.

Don't get drunk; don't carry too much money or valuables with you; don't get into a fight; smile; if things don't go as planned, just go with the flow and smile even more; read the Pattaya forums on this site so you know price-levels and obvious things to do and don't..[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for the reply but I have an important question.

Since I am going without a holiday plan from any agent. How can I trust the rooms I get into. Please help me get a room not so costly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1931735]Yes I have eaten a burger at Clubhouse Grill too....The place opposite is called Whisgars and the Restaurant part is called Craft I believe. I once met the probable head chef of Craft, before it opened, who was dining in Bradman's Sports Bar at the time. He was pretty confident his restaurant was going to be very special quality, but I haven't tried. I assumed the price would be higher. [/QUOTE]A couple of weeks back I tried the burgers at this place. Fine tasting bacon / cheese burger with fries. The 2 craft beers I tried were nice tasting but way overpriced and delivered in ridiculously small quantity for the price paid. One was not enough to wash down the food (maybe by design, but certainly not designed to get a repeat customer). Clubhouse is good and better value. Must try Bradmans next.

Hey guys, I just received my introductory, special discount, pack of 12 LELO HEX condoms in the mail this afternoon. I have no idea if I am going to like these condoms, but from a business perspective LELO's roll out of their new product was an amazing success. They even got a write up in the Wall Street Journal.

Sagami. 02 and Sagami 01 Polyurethane Condoms are my go to cover when bareback is not a good option. The LELO's Hex condom is supposedly a breakthrough in ultra thin light weight Latex design. I look forward to giving them a ride.

[URL]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lelo-hex-the-world-s-first-re-engineered-condom-technology[/URL]#.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1933233]Hey guys, I just received my introductory, special discount, pack of 12 LELO HEX condoms in the mail this afternoon. I have no idea if I am going to like these condoms, but from a business perspective LELO's roll out of their new product was an amazing success. They even got a write up in the Wall Street Journal.

Sagami. 02 and Sagami 01 Polyurethane Condoms are my go to cover when bareback is not a good option. The LELO's Hex condom is supposedly a breakthrough in ultra thin light weight Latex design. I look forward to giving them a ride.

[URL]https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lelo-hex-the-world-s-first-re-engineered-condom-technology[/URL]#.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads usp Natty. I will certainly give these a try.

I am a bit skeptical that they will replace my Sagamis. At. 045 mm they are twice a thick as my go to. 02's. But you'll never know unless you try.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1933252]Thanks for the heads usp Natty. I will certainly give these a try.

I am a bit skeptical that they will replace my Sagamis. At. 045 mm they are twice a thick as my go to. 02's. But you'll never know unless you try.[/QUOTE]Sagamis are all very well but they need to make a larger size for Westerners. I bought their 'large' size and they don't fit.

In other news, I have a bunch of Sagami condoms to give away if anybody is interested?

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1933183]Thanks a lot for the reply but I have an important question.

Since I am going without a holiday plan from any agent. How can I trust the rooms I get into. Please help me get a room not so costly.[/QUOTE]Most easy and secure way to get a room is to go through a website such as [URL]agoda.com[/URL] or [URL]booking.com[/URL].

I never had any problem when using their services. [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] may seem a bit cheaper than [URL]booking.com[/URL] but that is probably because they do not include the 17% sales tax in their prices, so be careful when comparing.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933357]Most easy and secure way to get a room is to go through a website such as [URL]agoda.com[/URL] or [URL]booking.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]I booked a room at VT6 through [URL]booking.com[/URL] site recently. It was a TGTBT price so I went for it to bring home some BR girls. Get to the address listed on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and was told not the right unit number. Call [URL]booking.com[/URL] and they say it's the right unit number. After wasting an hour [URL]booking.com[/URL] did refund me but be careful since you may not have a room when you arrive. Luckily I live here and was only looking for a LT room.

Will stick with [URL]hotels.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1933233]pack of 12 LELO HEX condoms [/QUOTE]

Anyone know where I can buy these in Pattaya or near Thermae?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1933386]
Anyone know where I can buy these in Pattaya or near Thermae?[/QUOTE]I kind of doubt the LELO Hex condom is available in Thai retail outlets yet as LELO just introduced the product to the market in a very successful invitation roll out campaign this summer. I received an email notice and special offer from the company in July because I am on their mailing list since I purchased their MIA 2 compact vibrator a few years ago. My HEX package arrived yesterday. The Mia 2 by the way is a great little product. It is small enough to bring along on trips and the girls take to it. LOL. LELO is a Swedish company. I think they can ship their products to Thailand, but additional duties, fees or taxes might apply. You should check with the company directly about that.

[URL]https://www.lelo.com/mia-2[/URL]

And no, I am not a spokesman for LELO. That is Charlie Sheen's new job.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1933386]I booked a room at VT6 through [URL]booking.com[/URL] site recently. It was a TGTBT price so I went for it to bring home some BR girls. Get to the address listed on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and was told not the right unit number. Call [URL]booking.com[/URL] and they say it's the right unit number. After wasting an hour [URL]booking.com[/URL] did refund me but be careful since you may not have a room when you arrive. Luckily I live here and was only looking for a LT room.

Will stick with [URL]hotels.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]How did [URL]booking.com[/URL] refund you when they don't ask for payment up front and you are asked to pay directly at the hotel?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933614]How did [URL]booking.com[/URL] refund you when they don't ask for payment up front and you are asked to pay directly at the hotel?[/QUOTE]Sounds like he was looking for the hotel past the cancellation period and was charged for the room that he couldn't find. I've run into hotels on booking that I know aren't anywhere near where they have them mapped on their website.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933357]Agoda.com may seem a bit cheaper than booking.com but that is probably because they do not include the 17% sales tax in their prices, so be careful when comparing.[/QUOTE]This not an actual tax, only 7% is tax, the other 10% is the made-up "let's lower the prices by this much and then charge it on checkout in order to appear cheaper" kind of fee. Nothing more than a scam, that's why I try to avoid using them.

As an aside, Agoda and [URL]Booking.com[/URL] are part of the same company, The Priceline Group, so don't expect a significant difference in prices.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933357]Most easy and secure way to get a room is to go through a website such as [URL]agoda.com[/URL] or [URL]booking.com[/URL].

I never had any problem when using their services. [URL]Agoda.com[/URL] may seem a bit cheaper than [URL]booking.com[/URL] but that is probably because they do not include the 17% sales tax in their prices, so be careful when comparing.[/QUOTE]I recently booked a room for my next trip to Jakarta and at first I was looking at both Agoda and [URL]Booking.com[/URL]. Both wanted payment upfront and had limited availability and / or no cancellation options. After that I went to the website of the hotels and got quoted lower rates, better availability and better cancellation options. Next time, when I know what hotel I intend to stay in, I will no longer use booking sites.

Regards,

Ko

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1934372]This not an actual tax, only 7% is tax, the other 10% is the made-up "let's lower the prices by this much and then charge it on checkout in order to appear cheaper" kind of fee. Nothing more than a scam, that's why I try to avoid using them.

As an aside, Agoda and [URL]Booking.com[/URL] are part of the same company, The Priceline Group, so don't expect a significant difference in prices.[/QUOTE]As unfortunately customary in Asia, often prices are xxxx++ Where The +'s stand for.

A) local VAT.

B) Service (a nice way the industry came out years ago to increase prices) from 10 To 15%. In theory it is a tip for the staff, but Who knows? Wondering what do I pay when I pay an hotel room or a dish? Isn't service part of the price already?

Same story with car rentals.

Once the price was all in. Now if you look at the items in the invoice you have.

Registration tax: if I rent w car, shouldn't it be already registered?

Airport location, or city location, whatever, I mean, why do I have to pay an extra for the pick up location? Airports are expensive for space lease? Ok, why then the extra for the city? And what if I rent in th country side? Same "remote location"?

Ultimately they are all taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] of us, pretending they are low cost.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1933614]How did [URL]booking.com[/URL] refund you when they don't ask for payment up front and you are asked to pay directly at the hotel?[/QUOTE]My booking said it was 30% cancellation charge. They have my CC number so I assumed they can charge my CC.

Here are some pics of some of the girls at Mitu Blue downstairs (I avoided really ugly ones). I chose this shop because they claim their pics are honest:

How would you guys rank the girls' noses for most natural look (least fake looking)?
Is that the same ranking order from best to worst nose?
Is there any pic where a nose job cannot be detected? I. e. Maybe she does not have one.

My ranking is No. 4, No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 being best to worst (not noticeable to most noticeable). Maybe some of you guys like No. 3? LOL
Maybe I can take No. 1 despite the nose job. She is not ugly for me, also not stunning.
Could it be that pic no. 2 is natural and she just has a huge nose? LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934771]Here are some pics of some of the girls at Mitu Blue downstairs (I avoided really ugly ones). I chose this shop because they claim their pics are honest:

How would you guys rank the girls' noses for most natural look (least fake looking)?
Is that the same ranking order from best to worst nose?
Is there any pic where a nose job cannot be detected? I. e. Maybe she does not have one.

My ranking is No. 4, No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 being best to worst (not noticeable to most noticeable). Maybe some of you guys like No. 3? LOL
Maybe I can take No. 1 despite the nose job. She is not ugly for me, also not stunning.[/QUOTE]Number 3 seems to have got herself a hook nose for some reason. 1 looks nice and natural to me, 4 looks nice but not natural, 2 looks natural but not nice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934771]Here are some pics of some of the girls at Mitu Blue downstairs (I avoided really ugly ones). I chose this shop because they claim their pics are honest:

How would you guys rank the girls' noses for most natural look (least fake looking)?
Is that the same ranking order from best to worst nose?

My ranking is No. 4, No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 being best to worst (not noticeable to most noticeable). Maybe some of you guys like No. 3? LOL
[/QUOTE]Syzygies, I am not as analytical or as precise as you are. I just know what I like when I see it and over time I have noticed that my tastes run fairly consistent. I like girls with a certain natural sweet sexy look. In the selection you posted I like #1 and #4. They just look cute to me and very doable. I think I will have to check out Mitu the next time I am in town. Ha Ha. I do not like the look of #2 at all for a variety of reasons and #3 has the glaring nose problem. Too bad for her. So its interesting how we arrive at the same endpoint, but traveled different ways to get there.

[QUOTE=JamesRider;1933292]Sagamis are all very well but they need to make a larger size for Westerners. I bought their 'large' size and they don't fit.

In other news, I have a bunch of Sagami condoms to give away if anybody is interested?[/QUOTE]Ouch! Those are not cheap in the US, because they are now grey market AFAIK. So what is the next best thing in a true Western "large"? I would appreciate opinions here. I darn sure won't use what any brothel or ordinary freelance girl has on her. And I will stock up before my trip next month. Hey, I've only been divorced for a year and the regular girls I dated weren't too demanding in regards to "contraception". I'm still looking for my best fit in condoms.

On another note: trying to grade the looks of Asian girls is getting a bit silly. We all should know this is subjective and what looks like a Plain Jane girl to one guy is a beauty to another. But, here is one point I want to make here. A lot of people looking at Asian girls might not actually be attracted to Asian girls. It occurred to me two decades ago, that a lot of people are going to SE Asia for the cheap sex, not because of they desire exotic Asian women. I was busy chasing what I believed to be "exotic" women in Eastern Europe at the time, and had little exposure to Asian girls. Now, I live in a suburb full of them (I think the hot ones are already married though). So, my first trip to Thailand next month is going to be quadruple awesome for me (Asian girls, inexpensive Sex, Exotic Surroundings, Thai food). But, not everybody gets that. And let me explain:

I spend a lot of time watching youtube videos by expat VBloggers, who focus a lot on the RLDs of BKK and Pattaya, and other spots of touristic interest in SE Asia. I guess it is no surprise that you would see lots of attractive Asian girls in these videos. But, inevitably some rubes make stupid comments underneath these videos. Comments like, "I don't see any attractive Asian girls in this video" or "Can you make a video of just girls who are "10". Or other comments derogatory towards the general appearance of the women in the video. And it has occurred to me that a lot of guys have an idealized idea of how an Asian girl should look. They have Asian women in porn, or hot yet atypical Asian actresses who appeal to them. But, they have no appreciation of a normal Asian girl. They would feel more comfortable with a tanned, blonde if they had their choices. And hence, I think a lot of commentary about women's appearances isn't exactly made by people who actually like Asian women. They want to see hot Asian women according to their ideals, not what is out there. So that is why I am always wary of commentary on women's appearances. But, I will make my own judgement next month, and I imagine I will find a dizzying selection of girls I find attractive, if not just hot. What other people think is irrelevant.

#4 tucked her nostrils. #1 made hers thinner. #2 natural. #3 no comment.

So 2, 4, 1, 3.

Having said that I wouldn't touch a single one of these girls, not even for 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934833]So 2, 4, 1, 3. Having said that I wouldn't touch a single one of these girls, not even for 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I guess that's what makes a horse race. We all have differing tastes. I wouldn't do #2 for free. I don't like her face or body type. I see many girls in Thermae like her. Poor #3, she is probably a real nice girl. Her surgeon should be arrested and shot for malpractice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934771]Here are some pics of some of the girls at Mitu Blue downstairs (I avoided really ugly ones). I chose this shop because they claim their pics are honest:

How would you guys rank the girls' noses for most natural look (least fake looking)?
Is that the same ranking order from best to worst nose?
Is there any pic where a nose job cannot be detected? I. e. Maybe she does not have one.

My ranking is No. 4, No. 1, No. 2, No. 3 being best to worst (not noticeable to most noticeable). Maybe some of you guys like No. 3? LOL
Maybe I can take No. 1 despite the nose job. She is not ugly for me, also not stunning.
Could it be that pic no. 2 is natural and she just has a huge nose? LOL[/QUOTE]#4 is my pick as well. The rest are ok, but nothing spectacular. But still far above what you see at most GoGos.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1934837]I guess that's what makes a horse race. We all have differing tastes. I wouldn't do #2 for free. I don't like her face or body type. I see many girls in Thermae like her. Poor #3, she is probably a real nice girl. Her surgeon should be arrested and shot for malpractice.[/QUOTE]I wasn't ranking my preference. I was ranking according to Syzy's question on nose jobs. If I had to choose obviously it would be #1.

Syzy will TOFTT and see how nice a person #3 is.

How can you guys tell if nose surgery is involved? For beauty I like 1, 4, 3, 2. For natural noses 1, 4, 2, 3. However I absolutely can't tell if a girl has had a nose job and I wonder how others can. 1 and 4 have such nice noses that it is possible they are nice due to surgery. I just can't tell. Breasts I can tell 99% of the time, noses I have no idea if surgery is involved.

I have always thought only the best moneymaking girls can afford and would spend the money on nose jobs. Is it possible all of four these girls have natural, but different noses? For me if the girl uses a good surgeon I wouldn't know she had a nose job most of the time.

Hi guys!

Maybe is someone on Phuket and knows the price of the girls there?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934833]#4 tucked her nostrils. #1 made hers thinner. #2 natural. #3 no comment.

So 2, 4, 1, 3.

Having said that I wouldn't touch a single one of these girls, not even for 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]Why? Are you gay?

[QUOTE=Ziggy00;1934930]Why? Are you gay?[/QUOTE]If you think the 4 girls Syzy posted photos of are the best optiks in Thailand go have at it. Definitely not top optiks for me.

I don't select girls based on price point. I select based on pure quality.

[QUOTE=*****man;1934775]Number 3 seems to have got herself a hook nose for some reason. 1 looks nice and natural to me, 4 looks nice but not natural, 2 looks natural but not nice.[/QUOTE]I can detect that number 1 has a nose job for sure as tip is up turned to display nostrils a little too much. No. 2 and 4 I can't be sure, however I certainly think No. 2 is a strong chance. Hooked nose jobs like No. 3 are not uncommon.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934953]I can detect that number 1 has a nose job for sure as tip is up turned to display nostrils a little too much. No. 2 and 4 I can't be sure, however I certainly think No. 2 is a strong chance. Hooked nose jobs like No. 3 are not uncommon.[/QUOTE]Wow you're good at this. #1 looks so natural I would have never guessed she had a nose job. I think she very pretty. #2 has a large nose. If she had a nose fix she should have made her nose smaller or less prominent. Of course maybe #2 did that.

Syzgies, would you reject #1 because you feel she had nose surgery?

Nice guessing game, Syz. But it seems difficult to to really assess the nose ignoring the facial features around it. I am not a plastic surgeon after all. But yes, none of them look completely natural and certainly #1 and #4 feature the best specimens.

Considering your dislike for nose jobs, it should be noted that the smaller Asian nose is attributed to the fact that the nose's function is to moisten the incoming air. Hence it is of greater use in dry climate like in Europe or Africa. However since bargirls and MP ladies spend most of their time with aircon, maybe the bigger nose has not only an aesthetic aspect? Maybe we should consider nose jobs an adaption to modern living conditions LOL.

[QUOTE=Allover;1935064]Wow you're good at this. #1 looks so natural I would have never guessed she had a nose job. I think she very pretty. #2 has a large nose. If she had a nose fix she should have made her nose smaller or less prominent. Of course maybe #2 did that.

Syzgies, would you reject #1 because you feel she had nose surgery?[/QUOTE]Actually No. 1 was also the best looking girl in the line up for me. She was actually the only one that interested me, from the Mitu Blue girls, and then I could see she had a nose job. Its not such a bad one really, but still detectable due to slightly raised (tilted up) nostrils. The less detectable, the better. Maybe I would take her still.

No. 2 has a big nose. Far too big for me. Is it totally naturally that shape? I am not quite sure. Originally I assumed a nose job, but if so it hasn't achieved sufficient width reduction.

No. 91 at Crazy House has a very good nose job. Top is very straight (bone inserted) and it can be just guessed to be a nose job as the tip is extended out from the face more than normal for Thais (normal is flatter or smaller or more bulbous). It is such a good job, I have no trouble taking her at all and find her quite pretty. I just wish all the nose jobs were so excellent. Unfortuantely 95% are not the best (cheap silicone jobs I guess).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1934951]If you think the 4 girls Syzy posted photos of are the best optiks in Thailand go have at it. Definitely not top optiks for me.

I don't select girls based on price point. I select based on pure quality.[/QUOTE]No I don't say they are best Optics in Thailand at all. Come off it, you know very well I don't go for nose job girls in general. I selected them because supposed to be honest pics, and because they were not the ugliest girls in the line up, and because they were examples of nose jobs (in some cases). I did not really go for any girls in the Mitu Blue line up except for Coco who was acceptable to my taste.

There would have been no point in looking at highly shopped pics on most web sites.

They were not selected to be top surgeries Optics for Banana Boi. LOL. Only you could do that. Perhaps you should. Most of us cannot post face pics of our favourite girls.

I wasn't implying you said they were top, Syzy. Even though our ends of the taste spectrum are different we do crossover on certain girls. You have pointed out some very cute ones to me. I was responding to the poster who told me I was gay for not liking these girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1935243]I wasn't implying you said they were top, Syzy. Even though our ends of the taste spectrum are different we do crossover on certain girls. You have pointed out some very cute ones to me. I was responding to the poster who told me I was gay for not liking these girls.[/QUOTE]Yes so you were. I sort of missed that and ignored his silly comment.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1934771]Could it be that pic no. 2 is natural and she just has a huge nose? LOL[/QUOTE]Who really gives a shit about nose? Look at the tits! GFE always gets number 1 vote, whether nose or whatever. I can't stand clockwatchers, runners or too pro. How I'm treated as a paying client determines my return or not. Some of these biatches have no idea about customer service, especially in over-mongered Thailand.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1934837]I wouldn't do #2 for free. I don't like her face or body type. I see many girls in Thermae like her. Poor #3, she is probably a real nice girl. Her surgeon should be arrested and shot for malpractice.[/QUOTE]You and I are close in tastes. Last night was with a buddy in CH (he was once a famous poster on ISG in Europe). He was admiring this blonde haired dancer with a really nice body, pretty much from the rear. I said to him wait till she turns around. Once she exposed a disastrous nose job where the area over the nostrils looked decidedly lumpy / swollen / chewed / scared whatever, he had to agree he could not look at her any more (definitely a sue the doctor job). Girls should be really strongly considering just how bad it could turn out and just how badly their natural noses really need altering. Also they need to think more about subtle beauty shape more than size (whether nose or tits). Is bigger better? Shit no!

I have never seen a post on the opportunities in Craigslist. Has anyone tried any of the ladies that offer their services? Just curious. Or if you have any information or knowledge of someone that has, it would be interesting to hear.

RL.

Guys,

Booked my tickets for Oct. 11 to Pattaya DMK Airport.

But the Hotel is a big problem since I have never booked a international hotel before.

So please tell me which site is best for booking hotels.

If possible please tell me the name of the hotel.

Rooms required: 2.

Number of tourists: 3.

Budget: Below 15000 for 4 nights (2 Rooms).

Please suggest any safe hotel.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1936453]Guys,

Booked my tickets for Oct. 11 to Pattaya DMK Airport.

But the Hotel is a big problem since I have never booked a international hotel before.

So please tell me which site is best for booking hotels.

Please suggest any safe hotel.[/QUOTE]Where did you stay the last time you visited Pattaya? Why do you choose not to stay there again? What part of town do you prefer?

Booking sites: [URL]booking.com[/URL] or [URL]agoda.com[/URL] are reliable. Or perhaps you can book directly with a hotel on their website.

Suggestions: check out this thread [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

SL.

[QUOTE=MarioHen;1934883]Hi guys!

Maybe is someone on Phuket and knows the price of the girls there?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It depends of course. If you want to pick 'them out in any disco they are more expensive than those working in bars, just like in Pattaya. Prices are like in Pattaya adding 1.000/2000 baht more.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1937042]Where did you stay the last time you visited Pattaya? Why do you choose not to stay there again? What part of town do you prefer?

Booking sites: [URL]booking.com[/URL] or [URL]agoda.com[/URL] are reliable. Or perhaps you can book directly with a hotel on their website.

Suggestions: check out this thread [URL]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels[/URL].

SL.[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed on golden beach hotel but that was part of package and I don't want there because the staff behavior is not that good.

I checked the thread but please tell me some names of budget hotels which costs around 500 baht per day.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1936453]Guys,

Booked my tickets for Oct. 11 to Pattaya DMK Airport.

But the Hotel is a big problem since I have never booked a international hotel before.

So please tell me which site is best for booking hotels.

If possible please tell me the name of the hotel.

Rooms required: 2.

Number of tourists: 3.

Budget: Below 15000 for 4 nights (2 Rooms).

Please suggest any safe hotel.[/QUOTE]I am slightly confused by your question: DMK stands for Don Muang Airport (DMK) Bangkok which is the old international airport and these days mostly used for domestic and low costs carriers.

It is 165 kilometers from Bangkok. Cost you around THB 2000 single fare for a taxi.

Take that in mind if you have to subtract that from your budget and. I don't have no experience here. At least 2 till 3 hours time wise.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1936453]
But the Hotel is a big problem since I have never booked a international hotel before.

So please tell me which site is best for booking hotels.

If possible please tell me the name of the hotel.

Rooms required: 2.

Number of tourists: 3.

Budget: Below 15000 for 4 nights (2 Rooms).

Please suggest any safe hotel.[/QUOTE]The easiest, safest and most hassle free way of finding and booking your hotel is through one of the major hotel booking websites such as [URL]booking.com[/URL]. I particularly like this one because their prices are all inclusive (no hidden fees or taxes) and you only pay when you arrive in the hotel, not previously.

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1937396]Last time I stayed on golden beach hotel but that was part of package and I don't want there because the staff behavior is not that good.

I checked the thread but please tell me some names of budget hotels which costs around 500 baht per day.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.booking.com/searchresults.en-gb.html?label=gen173nr-1FCAEoggJCAlhYSDNiBW5vcmVmaBWIAQGYAS64AQzIAQ_YAQHoAQH4AQuoAgM&sid=d6925f90fde3abed1ea67b31f7a13db3&checkin_month=10&checkin_monthday=11&checkin_year=2016&checkout_month=10&checkout_monthday=15&checkout_year=2016&class_interval=1&dtdisc=0&genius_rate=1&group_adults=2&group_children=0&hlrd=0&hyb_red=0&inac=0&label_click=undef&nha_red=0&no_rooms=1&postcard=0&redirected_from_city=0&redirected_from_landmark=0&redirected_from_region=0&region=5757&review_score_group=empty&room1=A%2CA&sb_price_type=total&score_min=0&src=searchresults&ss=Pattaya&ss_all=0&ssb=empty&sshis=0&ssne=Pattaya&ssne_untouched=Pattaya&nflt=pri%3D1%3B&lsf=pri%7C1%7C49&unchecked_filter=price[/URL]

49 hotels in that category (when last I checked)

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1937660]I am slightly confused by your question: DMK stands for Don Muang Airport (DMK) Bangkok which is the old international airport and these days mostly used for domestic and low costs carriers.

It is 165 kilometers from Bangkok. Cost you around THB 2000 single fare for a taxi.[/QUOTE]What kind of taxi have you been taking? Taxi from Don M to Pattaya is 1200 baht. Even this rip off taxi place from google does not charge 2000 baht.

Can anyone shed light on why it is that so many Bangkok taxi drivers make their foot go up and down on the pedals almost as though they are pumping? I believe its well over 50% of drivers. It cannot be explained by traffic jam alone. We all know for best fuel economy we should keep foot steady, avoiding sudden accelerations and decelerations. I usually cannot see the feet at night but sometimes in daytime can actually see the foot go up and down frequently on accerelator and brakes.

The result of accelerate, decelerate, so jerkily and so frequently is a very poor ride for the passenger, being thrown forward and backward in the seat due to change of momentum. So taxi is continually lurching. Not only do they change level of acceleration, but they do it too quickly causing very jerky movement. It is less noticeable to a driver as his unconscious brain control is doing it.

I can only guess its a bad habit caused by trying to ensure that there is no gap from the car in front so that another car cannot encroach into the gap. However drivers are still doing it even when there is a very large gap to the car in front. At first I thought might be something to do with gas fuel used.

Even in my home country was on a freeway with low traffic and had a Vietnamese driver. He wore white socks, so could easily see his foot on accelerator going up and down every few seconds. He was driving a petrol engine Toyota Prius Hybrid drive. For fule economy its best to drive smoothly without sudden changes in acceleration.

I reckon most of the drivers would fail a driving license test in my country, because they just drive so badly and don't seem to know they are doing it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1938167]Can anyone shed light on why it is that so many Bangkok taxi drivers make their foot go up and down on the pedals almost as though they are pumping? I believe its well over 50% of drivers. It cannot be explained by traffic jam alone. We all know for best fuel economy we should keep foot steady, avoiding sudden accelerations and decelerations. I usually cannot see the feet at night but sometimes in daytime can actually see the foot go up and down frequently on accerelator and brakes.

The result of accelerate, decelerate, so jerkily and so frequently is a very poor ride for the passenger, being thrown forward and backward in the seat due to change of momentum. So taxi is continually lurching. Not only do they change level of acceleration, but they do it too quickly causing very jerky movement. It is less noticeable to a driver as his unconscious brain control is doing it.

I can only guess its a bad habit caused by trying to ensure that there is no gap from the car in front so that another car cannot encroach into the gap. However drivers are still doing it even when there is a very large gap to the car in front. At first I thought might be something to do with gas fuel used.

Even in my home country was on a freeway with low traffic and had a Vietnamese driver. He wore white socks, so could easily see his foot on accelerator going up and down every few seconds. He was driving a petrol engine Toyota Prius Hybrid drive. For fule economy its best to drive smoothly without sudden changes in acceleration.

I reckon most of the drivers would fail a driving license test in my country, because they just drive so badly and don't seem to know they are doing it.[/QUOTE]I know people in home country who drive that way and it is not a taxi. I don't think they understand it is bad for gas millage. More likely a bad habit and they don't even realize it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1938167]Can anyone shed light on why it is that so many Bangkok taxi drivers make their foot go up and down on the pedals almost as though they are pumping? I believe its well over 50% of drivers. It cannot be explained by traffic jam alone. We all know for best fuel economy we should keep foot steady, avoiding sudden accelerations and decelerations. I usually cannot see the feet at night but sometimes in daytime can actually see the foot go up and down frequently on accerelator and brakes.[/QUOTE]Don't know the root cause of the bad habit, but have experienced the same when a taxi driver was bringing me down to Pattaya. Not just a Thai thing. My personal driver did this when I was in the Philippines. This is a real bother for me since I get motion sick when this happens, so I simply lean forward and tell the driver to stop the pumping and go smooth on the pedals, indicating that it is making me sick (gag gag gag). Most drivers would rather not have a passenger spilling thier guts in the back seat, so they adjust their habit pretty quick. Just like with the girls, no need to stay quiet when they are doing the wrong thing. Just tell the driver what irks you (aircon too high / low, windows up / down, texting on thier phone while flying down the highway, etc.) and generally they will stop. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1938241]Don't know the root cause of the bad habit, but have experienced the same when a taxi driver was bringing me down to Pattaya. Not just a Thai thing. My personal driver did this when I was in the Philippines. This is a real bother for me since I get motion sick when this happens, so I simply lean forward and tell the driver to stop the pumping and go smooth on the pedals, indicating that it is making me sick (gag gag gag). Most drivers would rather not have a passenger spilling thier guts in the back seat, so they adjust their habit pretty quick. Just like with the girls, no need to stay quiet when they are doing the wrong thing. Just tell the driver what irks you (aircon too high / low, windows up / down, texting on thier phone while flying down the highway, etc.) and generally they will stop. Enjoy Thailand, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]I first noticed this 20 years ago with my Filipino driver on my first road trip.

He was doing it along the open highway and I thought WTF, so I discussed it with him.

It turns out that most pinoys learn to drive in jeepneys or what they call "owner jeeps", and the poor quality engines without electronic fuel injection require continuous pumping of the throttle pedal to keep the fuel up to the level.

I explained how modern cars don't need to be driven like this and I asked him to try holding his foot steady and see what happened in our new Pajero.

He was very concerned at first but then started smiling as he realized that the engine didn't cut out and the ride was suddenly smooth.

I suspect that this need to pump the pedal started back in the day with jeepneys and, in Thiland, with tuk tuks or such, and the myth was passed across to everyone that it's how you learn to drive.

As AR says, you just have to say something because it is simply a habit for them. So many drivers do it in the Philippines but I am (slowly) educating them.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1937672][URL]http://www.booking.com/searchresults.en-gb.html?label=gen173nr-1FCAEoggJCAlhYSDNiBW5vcmVmaBWIAQGYAS64AQzIAQ_YAQHoAQH4AQuoAgM&sid=d6925f90fde3abed1ea67b31f7a13db3&checkin_month=10&checkin_monthday=11&checkin_year=2016&checkout_month=10&checkout_monthday=15&checkout_year=2016&class_interval=1&dtdisc=0&genius_rate=1&group_adults=2&group_children=0&hlrd=0&hyb_red=0&inac=0&label_click=undef&nha_red=0&no_rooms=1&postcard=0&redirected_from_city=0&redirected_from_landmark=0&redirected_from_region=0&region=5757&review_score_group=empty&room1=A%2CA&sb_price_type=total&score_min=0&src=searchresults&ss=Pattaya&ss_all=0&ssb=empty&sshis=0&ssne=Pattaya&ssne_untouched=Pattaya&nflt=pri%3D1%3B&lsf=pri%7C1%7C49&unchecked_filter=price[/URL]

49 hotels in that category (when last I checked)[/QUOTE]Thanks. I booked moonlight place and datomas guest house and Punyapa place. After discussing with friends I shall remove the two.

Any reviews on these hotels please. Is it safe to keep money in these hotels / guest houses?

[QUOTE=Ricflairt;1938537]Any reviews on these hotels please. Is it safe to keep money in these hotels / guest houses?[/QUOTE]I never had a problem with theft in Thailand, but I may just have been lucky or I have good karma.

Anyhow, better safe than sorry. Keep your money in the safety box in the room (if it has one) or otherwise check with reception if they have a safety deposit box.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1938738]I never had a problem with theft in Thailand, but I may just have been lucky or I have good karma.

Anyhow, better safe than sorry. Keep your money in the safety box in the room (if it has one) or otherwise check with reception if they have a safety deposit box.[/QUOTE]Which hotel you stayed in?? Any reviews on Datomas guest house. Booking. Com has good reviews but to make sure I'm asking sorry.

Don't bother to read if you are not trying to speak Thai.

I post this to give those thinking about learning to speak Thai, a good concept of what they must struggle with.

1. Some Thai consonants are tricky. NG sound at the start of a word. Practice to say Ringing as Ri-Nging, in order to get how this is done. BP sound is like a P but unaspirated (no puff of air), like the P at end of the word Stop. DT sound is like T but unaspirated, like T at the end of the word Rot. These consonant problems are the least of your worries. Ha ha.

2. Getting the 5 tones (mid, Low, Falling, Rising, High). Even mid tone is unusual for farangs as it is a higher than normal voice pitch for a Farang and falls away slightly. This requires months of practice, and even after years and years, I still slip up with wrong tones.

3. Getting the vowel sounds correct. Unlike English, if you pronounce vowels differently, you may not be understood. There are several vowel sounds in Thai that are not like English. EU is like German you with an umlaut, but must be said with a horizontally wide stretched but closed mouth. It is like the sound of straining on the toilet to take a shit. Two types of O sound in Thai are not like English O sounds. Most Thai vowels can be short or long and it matters. I once asked for Satay Gai (Chicken Satay sticks) but received Chicken Steak, because in the word Satay, the second vowel has to be very short in Thai language, like the word Step with the P sound removed. So I learned if pronunciation is slightly off what Thais expect, they possibly won't get it. If you pronounce the name of Soapy Colonze in farang style, the taxi driver won't get it. Has to be something like Co-lawn-SAY. Thai words always stress the last syllable. E. g. Com-pu-***.

4. It is not necessary to learn Thai script in learning to speak Thai. However if eventually you want to be able to read and write Thai, or SMS chat in Thai, the Thai does have an alphabet (weird one), and learning to read and write Thai can be done from a book without a teacher. I recommend guys to learn to speak Thai first, just like a child learns to speak long before he can read and write.

So if you want to learn Thai, expect to spend the first few months concentrating on the all critical nuances of the pronunciation. For this you need a teacher to correct the wrong pronunciation. You can learn vocab by yourself, but a good teacher is quite essential to correct pronunciation mistakes. That means a picky (strict) teacher who does not just let the wrong pronunciation go by. You can getting a Talking Thai Dictionary software to run on your PC or smart phone, including the Thai pronunciation. However hearing it said right, does not mean you can produce close to the same without teacher training.

If you spend a lot of time with Thais and in Thailand, and have plenty of spare time to practice with Thais who don't speak English, then learning Thai can be a good idea. I bit the bullet and got started on Thai 25 years ago. If you have not got the time, and determination to keep at it, then don't bother. After my first few months of classes, I spent a long holiday in Thailand mostly trying to communicate in Thai language with girls who could not speak English, and looking up dictionaries a lot, due to my relatively weak Vocab at the time. Today my Vocab is quite good, and I can think in Thai, without the need to translate. Consult dictionary rarely now.

Thai is difficult at first due to the pronunciation issues. However once this hurdle is overcome, the grammar is extremely simple, not like German, French, etc. , and the its just a matter of vocab and how to use the words correctly in context. So Thai is all up not a difficult language at all. I found German far more difficult, due to grammar issues and strange word sequences. Thai sentence word order varies from English only a little bit, the most notable being adjectives are shifted after the noun ("chicken grilled" instead of "grilled chicken" and most question words move to the end of the sentence (e. G. You asked me what?, you live where?

Finally there are "natural method" learning Thai classes where teacher speaks only Thai and there is never any translation. This is a good method if you have massive time on your hands. Progress is very slow in early stages. For learning Thai quickly, I don't recommend it. Better off to learn the Thai words and have an explanation of the meaning in English. Otherwise an old brain takes too long to assimilate new stuff.

The younger you are, the easier it is to learn new stuff. Young brain is like a sponge. Old brain is a dried up sponge not working so well.

To learn vocab there are special Flip Cards (e. G. Flashcards Deluxe) applications to run on your Smartphone, that can show Thai words (or phrases) on one side and English meaning on other side, and program causes you to revise words you got wrong more frequently.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1939920]Don't bother to read if you are not trying to speak Thai.

I post this to give those thinking about learning to speak Thai, a good concept of what they must struggle with.

(Major Snip) [/QUOTE]Thanks for that, Syzy. Interesting stuff. On the point about learning from a live teacher instead of from a computer program, what is your opinion of learning from a private tutor who comes to your apartment 2-3 times per week for one-on-one lessons vs sitting in a classroom with other students?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1940079]Thanks for that, Syzy. Interesting stuff. On the point about learning from a live teacher instead of from a computer program, what is your opinion of learning from a private tutor who comes to your apartment 2-3 times per week for one-on-one lessons vs sitting in a classroom with other students?[/QUOTE]Depends a lot on how good is the teacher to explain pronunciation.

I started learning in a class 6 hrs per week, as it was much cheaper, and worked okay For me. I have used individual tutoring as well. A bit better but more costly. In a class you can be held back by the crap students who do not practice at home.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1940405]In a class you can be held back by the crap students who do not practice at home.[/QUOTE]Also in class you can take advantage of questions, issues, and viewpoints that other people raise that you may not have thought of or may not have yet experienced.

On the non-hobby side from my quick September trip I have a few notes. Bully's still does a solid, though no-where near Bangkok's best burger, but if you are looking in the Nana area it's a nice place to start. The michelan star tim ho wan branch in T21 is solid dim sum, it's no Hong Kong, but still pretty good. I also got out to the what Lad Prao that stick wrote about this year and enjoyed it as an off the beaten path temple and something different to see.

Also on this trip I finally took the plunge and started using motorbike taxis a bit more. My previous experience was limited to a ride back to hotel with a semi drunk pattaya bar girl driving. Being tall, 191 cm and not skinny I still don't feel that comfortable and safe would not be a word I would use, but for short rides or when traffic is not your friend I will continue to use them as alternative. 1 question, not to be homophobic, but I still just hold on to the seat underneath me, as a guy do you hold on the driver's vest if you need to? What's proper protocol there?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1940444]Also in class you can take advantage of questions, issues, and viewpoints that other people raise that you may not have thought of or may not have yet experienced.[/QUOTE]That can be rare if your standard is superior to much of the class. However sometimes a question can be beneficial to all just like on ISG. Different people have different questions. More likely you can be amused by some of the dumb questions. Some students ask few questions and others ask too many.

I probably asked too many as I hate having things I don't understand.

LOL you can see parallels.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1940564]Also on this trip I finally took the plunge and started using motorbike taxis a bit more. My previous experience was limited to a ride back to hotel with a semi drunk pattaya bar girl driving. Being tall, 191 cm and not skinny I still don't feel that comfortable and safe would not be a word I would use, but for short rides or when traffic is not your friend I will continue to use them as alternative. 1 question, not to be homophobic, but I still just hold on to the seat underneath me, as a guy do you hold on the driver's vest if you need to? What's proper protocol there?[/QUOTE]I use them all the time. They are great. I always fear having my knees crushed as they weave through traffic, but years of doing this, and my knees are still intact.

Protocol: usually, you don't hang on to the driver. Thai people too don't hang on to the driver. They hang on to the handles underneath the seat. If you grasp tightly, and tighten your arms (so there is no give from left to right), you will stay stable. I've done this carrying some heavy duffel bags too, and it's fine.

My one annoyance with the motocys is the necessity to don that stupid toy helmet. It's usually made out of plastic, with no foam protection, and so it is all a sham to make it seem like there is a safety protocol in place. But that thing is a bacteria festival on steroids, and it does no good. But you have to do it.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1940564]1 question, not to be homophobic, but I still just hold on to the seat underneath me, as a guy do you hold on the driver's vest if you need to? What's proper protocol there?[/QUOTE]Yes, grabbing the underseat handles is the usual way, but it takes a big effort to do so since my body screams that I should grab that driver and hold him as close as a long lost lover and never let him go for the duration of the ride.

On the other hand, Thai ladies ride sidesaddle while chatting on their smartphones and they never fall off it seems. My Thai GF says that is due to the generations long training of riding waterbuffaloes. Those Thai girls that fell off and got trampled never made it to child bearing age and the bad genes for balance where thus weeded out. Darwinian evolution at work!

Hahaha, I nominate that for funniest comment of the year. That's too good. Thanks for the advice. That is what I had been doing. Glad to know I was on the right track.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1941196]Yes, grabbing the underseat handles is the usual way, but it takes a big effort to do so since my body screams that I should grab that driver and hold him as close as a long lost lover and never let him go for the duration of the ride.

On the other hand, Thai ladies ride sidesaddle while chatting on their smartphones and they never fall off it seems. My Thai GF says that is due to the generations long training of riding waterbuffaloes. Those Thai girls that fell off and got trampled never made it to child bearing age and the bad genes for balance where thus weeded out. Darwinian evolution at work![/QUOTE]

Motorbike taxis drivers are use to customers grabbing the handles in the back. But as noted locals just seem to sit and being relax. I've driven for over 10 years now here in Pattaya started with a small Honda Click at times packing 3 small kids on the bike around. I've also packed friends large and small.

If you are on a motorbike even going a short distant with 3, there is not much choice but grab on to the bars in the back but the normal position is to put your hands on the shoulder of the passenger in front. As a driver on these small bikes the worse thing a passenger can do is grab hard and tense to the bars. When this is done every little movement you make is felt by the driver and it throws the entire bike off and if the driver doesn't know what they are doing it can be dangerous. If one can try to sit, relax and use your inner thighs.

One of the first times I hopped on a motorcycle taxi the driver and another taxi driver standing next to us literally placed my hands on the driver's waist. Not a wrap around hug. Just placed my hands on each side of his waist at the belt level, then they both gave me a quick thumbs up for doing it right. Been doing it that way ever since, rarely grab the seat handles.

It isn't a firm grab, just convenient to place your hands there for the sake of balance (yours) and not to influence the movement of the bike, which as has been mentioned can happen if you are gripping the seat handles. And you can always increase the grip on the driver's waist if conditions call for it, like a lot of weaving around stopped traffic.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1941525]Hahaha, I nominate that for funniest comment of the year. That's too good. Thanks for the advice. That is what I had been doing. Glad to know I was on the right track.[/QUOTE]Haha, yes, I agree.

I use the same approach for either total of 2 or 3 on the moto, and with a Corona in my hand, at 645 am while leaving Insomnia ( appropriately named, in my case).

But, this is also a business opportunity.

There are elephant parks, tiger parks, snake parks etc. But, no water buffalo parks. As yet.

I think it's a great business idea to build one between BKK and Patts and advertise it as a way to learn to ride the motos.

You teach farangs how. By first showing them how to ride the water buffaloes. Then, right in the same park, you could have the moto rides in long bends and quick S curves for the farangs to learn how to ride the motos.

When you leave the park (alive that is; and before child bearing age), you get a Farang rider permit card (signed by The Wolve ) with your pic on it ( for display back home ) and you are then ready to ride the traffic ( or the water buffaloes, as the case may be) in Thailand.

In the LT however, I am waiting for Elon Musk and Tesla to launch the much anticipated autonomous driving motorcycles in BKK and Patts. 😜

[QUOTE=Haven123;1941621]Haha, yes, I agree.

I use the same approach for either total of 2 or 3 on the moto, and with a Corona in my hand, at 645 am while leaving Insomnia ( appropriately named, in my case).

But, this is also a business opportunity.

There are elephant parks, tiger parks, snake parks etc. But, no water buffalo parks. As yet.

I think it's a great business idea to build one between BKK and Patts and advertise it as a way to learn to ride the motos.

You teach farangs how. By first showing them how to ride the water buffaloes. Then, right in the same park, you could have the moto rides in long bends and quick S curves for the farangs to learn how to ride the motos.

When you leave the park (alive that is; and before child bearing age), you get a Farang rider permit card (signed by The Wolve ) with your pic on it ( for display back home ) and you are then ready to ride the traffic ( or the water buffaloes, as the case may be) in Thailand.

In the LT however, I am waiting for Elon Musk and Tesla to launch the much anticipated autonomous driving motorcycles in BKK and Patts. 😜[/QUOTE]Once you get your waterbuffalo riding card, you can then apply for the next course: "how to ride the waterbuffalo lady".

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1941525]Hahaha, I nominate that for funniest comment of the year. That's too good. Thanks for the advice. That is what I had been doing. Glad to know I was on the right track.[/QUOTE]Well I didn't laugh that hard. Maybe squirmed is more like it. I prefer hetero dirty jokes.

In relation to sitting on a motorbike, the driver won't really mind how much you hug him. He would be well used to it and Thai men don't have touching phobias. Two hetero Thai men could even sleep on the same double bed if need arose. The important point for customer is to not sit too far back in the seat. Your weight needs to be in front of the back wheel (definitely not weight on hands holding the back handles). Try not to sit to stiffly if possible. I am not used to sitting with legs apart, so I have to hitch up my leans a little so they are not too tight. Some motorcycle seats are not level and slope forward. I hate this. My main objective is to keep the dick clear of the driver but some contact is okay.

If you weight or centre of gravity is too far back on a motorcycle and you are heavy, then will be very difficult for the driver to keep cycle balanced.

[URL]http://www.missosology.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=286&t=1130537[/URL]
You have to scroll down a fair bit to get to the candidate pics.
Its too late to enter the website competition.

On this website, how many girls are really pretty for the face (forget bodies for now since they are not nude). I am willing to bet different guys choose very differently.

Girls I like: 4, 13,14, 21,32, 37,40 and probably 3 more I rate as good. Turns out the eventual winner was in my top 7, although borderline (due to slightly weird nose). You will see I did not choose any horror nose jobs, perhaps the odd more subtle nose job. Certainly 90% of entrants would have nose jobs, unless they are not full Thai blood. No. 40 looks half African to me, probably not fully Thai blood. I like her exotic look, but she would have no chance of winning in Thailand due to skin colour bias. I believe she won the "People's Choice Award", due to her on stage abilities and looks.

Lastly I include a pic of the exotic dark skin girl in the Miss Universe Thailand comp (on right), and also two models (non Thai) that show the type of look I go for most (skinny girls narrow face), if can find any Thai girls at all similar. Donut ex Crazy House did have a look somewhat approaching this middle pic. I also love the Jessica Alba exotic look, as a good example.

BTW, Some of the Thai Miss Universe entries are actually ugly for me, however I should not pic them out. They maybe some other guy's preferred girl.

I am the type that chooses a girl for sex based on Fun/GFE, Looks (prefer natural), and Skills in that order of importance. I usually have to compromise in at least 1 of the 3 categories, and Skills is the most likely to be less important to me. I would rarely compromise on 2 categories out of three, as that would be not worth repeating in any way. Obviously its hard to get girls that are top class in all three.

#4 is the only one I would chase after at Thermae. #17, #14 and #40 would be good for backup.

It's difficult for me to tell since I generally despise "sucked back" hair.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1942979][URL]http://www.missosology.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=286&t=1130537[/URL]
You have to scroll down a fair bit to get to the candidate pics.
[/QUOTE]Nos. 12,1 and 3 and as a backup no. 10.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1942986]#4 is the only one I would chase after at Thermae. #17, #14 and #40 would be good for backup.

It's difficult for me to tell since I generally despise "sucked back" hair.[/QUOTE]Yes #4 is very cute in a proper Thai way. Pity she did not win it.

I am surprised you agree with some of my pics, especially number 40. LOL.

The tied back hair is to show face properly. I like it fine. Baccara girls used to love to have hair style covering a large portion of the face so you can't see just how plain looking they were, and forced to concentrate on the body. However for many guys, young=pretty, or some girls so raunchy, the ugly faces not even noticed. LOL Not for me, but youth can help. I have been really hooked on girls in their later 30's though. The high levels of experience can help too. Its a serious problem that the very best full high natural tits tend to be on 18 year olds (or less).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1943005]Nos. 12,1 and 3 and as a backup no. 10.[/QUOTE]12 is the only one of your pics I particularly like. Shows how tastes vary. Can't explain why, but No. 10 looks like an older woman somehow. A very normal Thai look. Maybe just looks similar to someone I know.

My taste is apparently different. I like 9 and 36. Number 9 has a unique look and I'm guessing most here might not think she is beautiful. But I would take her long time for sure. I am certain I would like many more of these girls if I saw them in person. I have never felt Asian women photographed as well as others. I can't explain why but I have always felt that way.

[QUOTE=Allover;1943425]My taste is apparently different. I like 9 and 36. Number 9 has a unique look and I'm guessing most here might not think she is beautiful. But I would take her long time for sure. I am certain I would like many more of these girls if I saw them in person. I have never felt Asian women photographed as well as others. I can't explain why but I have always felt that way.[/QUOTE]Yep. You like the more rounded cheeks. I like slimmer face like 4 and 32 with just a little bit of cheek.

I attach a western girl but shows the face shape I like. This girl is an 11 out of 10 for me. Like beyond perfection. All the Thai girl in the competition are behind this standard.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1943446]Yep. You like the more rounded cheeks. I like slimmer face like 4 and 32 with just a little bit of cheek.

I attach a western girl but shows the face shape I like. This girl is an 11 out of 10 for me. Like beyond perfection. All the Thai girl in the competition are behind this standard.[/QUOTE]Looks like we have same taste: slim face with bit of cheek. 32 and 40 are my favs, and 13 + 14 as backup. But I admit they don't look like typically thai. 40 is indeed mixed race, but I think more indian blood than african.

I've been making some acquaintences with some girls on ThaiFriendly, including one very "nice girl", who is an observant Buddhist. We've been chatting on LINE and she is very excited about meeting me. But, she just now indicated she would be free to visit with me on the evening of October 23, but not before. Turns out its an important Buddhist holiday for the previous week. OK Phansa, which some Christians compare to Lent. So she will be out of commission that week. That's fine with me. I want to spend the previous week mongering and freewheeling. I have been warned that once you hook with a "nice" Thai girl looking for serious relations with a farang, they can be possessive and try to put you on a short leash.

We were chatting on webcam on LINE and she was saying "I am sorry, but you are not disappointed?" So I had to feign disappointment when she told me she could not meet up with me right after I arrived. In reality, it solved the dilemma of how I could date her in a respectful manner, while carousing as a monger. I hope she did not detect my delight at getting a free pass for a week.

So my question to the forum is: how does this holiday impact other things in Thailand and the attitudes of the public? Is anything closing down for this? Will the working girls become more "observant" and head for the temples or will it be business as usual? I guess I need to indicate I have only plans to visit Bangkok and Pattaya at this point. I guess the impact of this Buddhist holiday could vary in different parts of the country, perhaps?

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1943482]Looks like we have same taste: slim face with bit of cheek. 32 and 40 are my favs, and 13 + 14 as backup. But I admit they don't look like typically thai. 40 is indeed mixed race, but I think more indian blood than african.[/QUOTE]Well I disagree. All those girls do look typically Thai to me. No unexpected looks. I also read that No. 40 Kusuma Chawdon (กุสุมา ชาวดอน sounds like Chao-dawn) is supposedly a full blooded Thai. The surname does not look like a typical Indian or western name.

I love her big eyebrows. I find that more sexy than very thin eye brows. Its good to see my taste is similar to some others and not really too weird at all.

I quote "Her father is a southern Thai man with dark skin, this made her look like an African girl." Very dark skin Thais are not unusual, especially in the South and also in Buriram.
If you visit Hat Yai and Phuket you will see Thais of very different looks to Bangkok. I have even wondered if some of them are really Thai, even excluding the Burmese and Cambodian ones.

[QUOTE=NamasteParis;1943482]Looks like we have same taste: slim face with bit of cheek. 32 and 40 are my favs, and 13 + 14 as backup. But I admit they don't look like typically thai. 40 is indeed mixed race, but I think more indian blood than african.[/QUOTE]In one sense I agree. If a Thai girl was half African she would look rather different, especially with a black father. So I am conceding she does not really look half Negro at all.

Interestingly, a few of the Thai Miss Universe contestants look quite ordinary to me, and I would not give them a second glance.

So, I have been chatting on LINE with the "nice girl" I met on ThaiFriendly, regarding my upcoming trip in two weeks. We've been corresponding for awhile and seems good material for the hypothetical "serious relationship", for a variety of reasons I won't go into here. But, today we were chatting and she said "I can meet you on Monday October 24. " Hmmm? I will be arriving a week earlier. What's up? Well, turns out that it is a Buddhist version of Lent, OK Phansa is starting the week I arrive. She is apparently an observant Buddhist and has some rituals she must perform, I am assuming, or as she put it "I must practice for the period of 19 to 23 of October. Are you disappointed?

Good thing we were not chatting on webcam, because I would have had trouble disguising my relief! I had wanted to spend the first part of my trip mongering and possibly tooling some of the other girls I met on TF as well as regular working girls. I had been warned that if you are dealing with the "nice girls" in Thailand looking for a spouse or serious boyfriend, that they would put you on a short leash. I have already noticed they are suspicious and jealous. Maybe its because they know all too well what the farang are up to? In any case, I was glad I would have a week to visit Bangkok and go down to Pattaya and then trying to properly "date" a nice, pretty, and educated Thai woman once I had shot my wad to exhaustion. This is perfect!

So here is my question to the forum: how does this holiday impact the country, or at least BBK and Pattaya? Does anything shut down or are there any prohibitions? I'm not thinking the working girls just head for the temples to pray for four days, but what do I know? (Nothing). Anyone know how this will also impact the Buddhist mindset? If this is like Lent, can I assume the nice lady is abstaining from men? We in the west, know all too well how the Catholic end their Lent. I am curious if my lady friend will meet me in a pious mood, or ready to party like its Mardi Gras.

The other contender I met on TF lives not far from Buri Ram. She didn't say anything about any Buddhist holiday, but made a sincere request for me to visit her that particular week. She even offered to pick me up at the airport in her car, and would let me to stay at her place. She didn't mention abstaining from anything. Then again, I have seen the tattoos running down her back, so I don't think she was a nice, pious Buddhist girl either.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1943723]So, I have been chatting on LINE with the "nice girl" I met on ThaiFriendly, regarding my upcoming trip in two weeks. We've been corresponding for awhile and seems good material for the hypothetical "serious relationship", for a variety of reasons I won't go into here. But, today we were chatting and she said "I can meet you on Monday October 24. " Hmmm? I will be arriving a week earlier. What's up? Well, turns out that it is a Buddhist version of Lent, OK Phansa is starting the week I arrive. She is apparently an observant Buddhist and has some rituals she must perform, I am assuming, or as she put it "I must practice for the period of 19 to 23 of October. Are you disappointed?

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During พ ร ร ษ า phansa, which is a period of 3 months, starting on the first day of the waning moon of the eighth lunar month, Monks are not to travel and must stay in the same place and dedicate that period to intense meditation. This is the beginning of the rainy period in many places in Asia, so it made perfect sense to stay inside during that period. The practice actually predates Buddhism.

Non-monks are under no such strictures, although very pious Buddhists may give up or at least reduce use of alcohol or smoking or eating meat. It is indeed common for all Buddhists at the start of the phansa to have a week of not eating meat and go daily to the temple. In most temples free vegetarian food is dispensed during that time. Those who partake of the food are expected to give some alms to the temple, all according to what you can afford. It buys you big "face" and brings good standing in the community. Your name and the amount of your gift will be written on a wall for all to see!

I have never heard that this first week of phansa requires you to give up sex as well. Buddhists are not christians.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1943723]So here is my question to the forum: how does this holiday impact the country, or at least BBK and Pattaya? Does anything shut down or are there any prohibitions? I'm not thinking the working girls just head for the temples to pray for four days, but what do I know? (Nothing). Anyone know how this will also impact the Buddhist mindset? If this is like Lent, can I assume the nice lady is abstaining from men? We in the west, know all too well how the Catholic end their Lent. I am curious if my lady friend will meet me in a pious mood, or ready to party like its Mardi Gras.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you will notice anything different. At the end of the three months of phansa there is a festival where people go to temple to offer thanks to the monks and bring them new clothes. Nothing like Mardi Gras at all. Mardi Gras would be difficult to understand for Buddhists.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1943723]

The other contender I met on TF lives not far from Buri Ram. She didn't say anything about any Buddhist holiday, but made a sincere request for me to visit her that particular week. She even offered to pick me up at the airport in her car, and would let me to stay at her place. She didn't mention abstaining from anything. Then again, I have seen the tattoos running down her back, so I don't think she was a nice, pious Buddhist girl either.[/QUOTE]

Again, don't apply your western ideas of religion to Buddhism. Christians are obsessed about sex. Buddhism is not. You can be a good Buddhist and still enjoy sex without remorse. There is no reason why a working girl cannot be a good Buddhist. Buddhism altogether misses the concept of "sin" (as defined in Christian religions). A Buddhist working girl is not shunned by the monks or other people in the community. She may not be of very high standing, but neither are farm workers or low level factory hands high on the social ladder. And if that working girl has supported her family and managed to save some coin to buy a house or a small business she will be of equal standing of anyone else who reached such position in life. No proper Buddhist will despise her for the source of her wealth.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1943887]
I have never heard that this first week of phansa requires you to give up sex as well. Buddhists are not christians.
[/QUOTE]Well it would not be the first week of Phansaa, would it? Thanks for all your details, however some additional critical points (for 2016 only) are:

* Khao Phansaa (Enter the Phansaa) was on 20 July.

* Ook Phansaa (Exit from Phasaa Ceremony) will be on 16th October (approx. 3 months later).

* Thot Kathin (Giving of the orange robes etc. To monks) is on 17th October.

* Chulalongkorn day (Memorial day) is on the 23rd October.

The girl wants to meet him on 24 October, meaning that is probably when she returns to Bangkok after all the religious ceremonies. Could be a situation where her brother is a monk in another province. Just speculating a little. However I don't see the whole thing as particularly unusual, for a Thai girl to be missing for several days from 16th October onwards. Sex maybe completely irrelevant.

When he wrote: "Well, turns out that it is a Buddhist version of Lent, OK Phansa is starting the week I arrive. " he should have written that Phansaa is ending (the meaning of Ork Phansaa), exactly when he arrives.

"I must practice for the period of 19 to 23 of October", I don't understand practice what exactly, however might have some relevance to the Chulalongkorn Day ceremony on the 23rd, or maybe her English is a bit off what she actually means.

Hope this clears it up somewhat.

Yes Thai society does care about how girls got their wealth. They do not respect hookers, and also wives and GFs of Farangs can be treated differently. One Thai girl in Songkhla province tells me how she cannot buy stuff at the market for same price as everyone else simply because many years ago she lived in the USA and was the wife of a western guy. She is alone now but cannot live it down. Perhaps the Issan region is more forgiving, since such a significant percentage of poor Issan girls going to Bangkok or Pattaya ended up with western BFs or became hookers (I don't have the numbers). A girl builds a house in the country province and has the cash to pay for it, yet she does not seem to work and had very low education. Where did her money come from? Thais gossip of course.

I should add that the Government requires many bars to close on religious holidays, and alcohol cannot be sold. In Buddhism, consumption of alcohol is bad, as is sexual liasons with girls not your wife (possibly someone else's wife) and children. Also Buddhism principles mean you cannot lie, cheat, kill, etc. However Thais are breaking nearly all of the 5 precepts on an almost daily basis "Mai bpen Rai" (never mind). Many MPs remain open on religious holidays, if they can get girls to turn up, since there will not be any alcohol. Some bars serve alcohol in a teapot or coffee pot.

So I did get a bit more research in on Wan OK Phansa and its significance, and the events that accompany it. First things first! The army is request that alcohol not be sold on the 16th October this year, in observance of Wan OK Phansa. I won't be arriving until the 17th, thankfully. After a 26 hour trip, I am sure I will need a drink!

In the following week, I found out monks and observant Buddhists are supposed to avoid meat, intoxication and apparently some other vices. Today I was chatting with the lady in question and was a bit more direct in asking what her practices would be between the 16th and 23rd. Are you going to be abstaining from anything? She replied "Yes, I will only eat vegetables" I went further and asked "Are you abstaining from men, as well?" Her response was "Yes. Are you okay? Disappointed?" I indicated it was no problem, and I meant it, for the reasons I indicated earlier. We can meet up on week 2 when I might have exhausted my interest in P4 P relationships. However, she was quite excited and pleased that I had taken the time to study Buddhism and understand her convictions a bit more.

On another note, she is a native of Nakhon Phanom, where Wan OK Phansa is apparently met with serious festivities and rituals all week long that set it apart from the rest of the country (At least that is what I read). There is an annual flotilla of "fire boats" that travels down the Mekong River at NP to mark the end of "Buddhist Lent" (As WikiVoyage calls it). So, I am thinking her approach to this holiday, and her practices might not reflect the general population. But, I will find out and report back.

But don't forget. The prohibition on alcohol sales on the 16th of this month!

Good report Eszpresso.

Although alcohol cannot be sold on 16th, most of us can still have fun. Have a drink at home first if necessary. Buy alcohol the day before.

Most gogo bars will close but perhaps not all. Still plenty of P4 P available.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1944759]Good report Eszpresso.

Although alcohol cannot be sold on 16th, most of us can still have fun. Have a drink at home first if necessary. Buy alcohol the day before.

Most gogo bars will close but perhaps not all. Still plenty of P4 P available.[/QUOTE]No worries. My flight out to ICN leaves at exactly Midnight Bangkok time, on the 16th. I will be arriving late at BKK on the 17th. Booked the first two nights at Ruamchitt Plaza, so I hope to give you an update on Thermae. But my biggest interest, quite honestly is hitting Climax or Bangkok Beat (I like live music, you see it puts me in my element) and seeing what I can pick up there.

My best girl of all time, was retired from hooking and have not seen her for well over 12 months, as she "settled down".

Stayed in friendly occasional contact by LINE. What happens? Eventually she finds she is short of money, restless and horny. Once a horny girl, always a horny girl. LOL She could not be faithful to one man forever. One of the few girls into guys that take too long to cum. LOL Now its clear she will want to meet up again. She is not that young, but stylish, fun, and never boring. Can be a pornstar too. Can easily make me forget other girls.

Never burn your bridges to the top girls. That is my advice. I never burn my bridges unless girls are Psycho and really need to be avoided. Imagine if you can maintain all of your top girls forever. I don't get bored with girls so easily unless they really deteriorate in some way.

I can't wait. Sorry my field reports might drop off badly for a while. Maybe won't be needing bar visits to find hot girls nor MPs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1950471]My best girl of all time, was retired from hooking and have not seen her for well over 12 months, as she "settled down".

Stayed in friendly occasional contact by LINE. What happens? Eventually she finds she is short of money, restless and horny. Once a horny girl, always a horny girl. LOL She could not be faithful to one man forever. One of the few girls into guys that take too long to cum. LOL Now its clear she will want to meet up again. She is not that young, but stylish, fun, and never boring. Can be a pornstar too. Can easily make me forget other girls.

Never burn your bridges to the top girls. That is my advice. I never burn my bridges unless girls are Psycho and really need to be avoided. Imagine if you can maintain all of your top girls forever. I don't get bored with girls so easily unless they really deteriorate in some way.

I can't wait. Sorry my field reports might drop off badly for a while. Maybe won't be needing bar visits to find hot girls nor MPs.[/QUOTE]These girls do not retire and most of what they they us is lies when they say they stopped working or are being a good girl. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. You stayed in touch just through line. I have seen guys that actually think these girls are their girlfriends and talk through Skype at computer places. Many times I have been right next to the girl in her hooker shoes and work outfit as she is telling the guy how she has been spend time with family, temple, LOL. 10 minutes later she is working. Thailand is money first!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1950471]My best girl of all time, was retired from hooking and have not seen her for well over 12 months, as she "settled down".

Stayed in friendly occasional contact by LINE. What happens? Eventually she finds she is short of money, restless and horny. Once a horny girl, always a horny girl. LOL She could not be faithful to one man forever. One of the few girls into guys that take too long to cum. LOL Now its clear she will want to meet up again. She is not that young, but stylish, fun, and never boring. Can be a pornstar too. Can easily make me forget other girls.

Never burn your bridges to the top girls. That is my advice. I never burn my bridges unless girls are Psycho and really need to be avoided. Imagine if you can maintain all of your top girls forever. I don't get bored with girls so easily unless they really deteriorate in some way.

I can't wait. Sorry my field reports might drop off badly for a while. Maybe won't be needing bar visits to find hot girls nor MPs.[/QUOTE]Congratulations. I think.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1950792]Congratulations. I think.[/QUOTE]I think of having a life long affair with the girl. She is actually 4 or 5 years younger than my GF, better on the bed, and far more sexually provocative. By the time she is too old to be doable I will be really ancient. I am sure she will have other guys too. She needs her freedom.

Was funny that the girl initially tried to faithful to her partner for a period. It could not last forever. She is just too horny I think.

The really good thing is that it should not be necessary to tell each other lies. She knows I have a GF but don't get enough sex. I know she has a BF supporting her.

I was really hooked on this girl. However perhaps an ongoing affair is better than having her as my GF. Cost of maintaining her lifestyle would have been too high anyway. I don't need her to myself (and attempting that would be stupid). Better to have a very nice share on an ongoing basis.

My only regret is that I did not meet her a few years earlier. How many years will it take to get bored with her? Hopefully never. There was a previous girl I did get bored with after 15 years, but she was not as good.

I have about 4 or 5 favorite bargirls that can be backups and a couple of MP girls.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1950778]Many times I have been right next to the girl in her hooker shoes and work outfit as she is telling the guy how she has been spend time with family, temple, LOL. 10 minutes later she is working.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1950471]My best girl of all time, was retired from hooking and have not seen her for well over 12 months, as she "settled down".

Stayed in friendly occasional contact by LINE. What happens? Eventually she finds she is short of money, restless and horny. Once a horny girl, always a horny girl. LOL She could not be faithful to one man forever. One of the few girls into guys that take too long to cum. LOL Now its clear she will want to meet up again. She is not that young, but stylish, fun, and never boring. Can be a pornstar too. Can easily make me forget other girls.[/QUOTE]FWIW, it is a business for the girls, if not all girls. I actually allow them to take calls (or video) from their BFs while travelling or while I am recharging, so long as they can hide my existence. They need to make a living. There are some interesting conversations.

I don't believe I was ever able to keep up with the really horny ones as you can have it on tap with them 24/7. Being older and wiser, I know a dildo ain't going to do it so I think / suspect others will be filling those desires. I have been told stories, in the third person, of some of the numerous encounters one can have in one day.

[QUOTE=Boarer;1951059]FWIW, it is a business for the girls, if not all girls. I actually allow them to take calls (or video) from their BFs while travelling or while I am recharging, so long as they can hide my existence. They need to make a living. There are some interesting conversations.

I don't believe I was ever able to keep up with the really horny ones as you can have it on tap with them 24/7. Being older and wiser, I know a dildo ain't going to do it so I think / suspect others will be filling those desires. I have been told stories, in the third person, of some of the numerous encounters one can have in one day.[/QUOTE]I was not referring to a Nympho maniac. She is supported but may have used money in a way the BF does not know about (family). So needs some more. Also if the girl's BF is away and she generally likes a good dicking, she can start missing her old favorite customer (s).

She used to have multiple boyfriends but picked one out to settle down with, the rich one I guess. However being monogamous does not come easily for sexy hot girls used to having multiple boyfriends. So she has been short of money and sex. She is very honest to me about it. We never told each other any bull shit. She says she wants a good dicking and she wants some money too. She knows she is my favorite and I was a bit hooked on her, so she definitely is in control. At first I thought we would meet up for no sex. However she made it clear she wanted the sex too. I don't know if her man is in Thailand currently or not. I guess I will soon know if she wants STs or LTs.

I don't think she will be taking a video call if she is in my Hotel. We cannot meet at her apartment nor mine so I will have to stay at a Hotel. I don't think their are many girls that need numerous encounters per day. Maybe multiple cums will suffice. After all she was trying to be monogamous for a while, as far as I know (but don't ask). She will tell me whatever she wants to tell me. I don't like to be too nosey. In the past she did take a call from a BF when she was in my Hotel, but that was just audio. She then told me the BF wanted to introduce her to his parents, but she was just about ready to move on from him. She said was difficult as the BF did not know she was doing some hooking work. Bills had to get paid. So yeh, you really do hear from hookers, the problems they might have with boyfriends. They like having someone they can open up too who won't get jealous no matter how much he (I) liked her. However we only hear what she wants us to hear. She never said how many boyfriends she had concurrently before her retirement.

The girl likes to have her freedom to do whatever she wants, fuck whoever she wants, etc. She wants a good service of course. She also wants to check that men still find her incredibly hot and that she has power over us.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1951143]I was not referring to a Nympho maniac.

She says she wants a good dicking and she wants some money too. She knows she is my favorite and I was a bit hooked on her, so she definitely is in control.

The girl likes to have her freedom to do whatever she wants, fuck whoever she wants, etc. She wants a good service of course. She also wants to check that men still find her incredibly hot and that she has power over us.[/QUOTE]Looks like the stars are aligned. Have a great time as she will most likely keep coming back to tap the well. ;-D

When I first returned to Billboard, to see the modern setup with big change, I studied the girls on stage for a while, and finally Tukata appealed. Pretty girl nice body but small tits. Smiled shyly but sweetly.

After two or three drinks, the chemistry was going really great. She became very lovey dovey indeed as though she had known me a long time. On the bed she became very passionate, and never been able to find fault with her since, always eager. She is now working Jail Birdz. She has probably dropped down the list to be my 5th preference girl out of about 12 on repeat list despite how sweet she is. Girls can collect guys in a very similar way I guess, and put them in a priority sequence, likewise.

I have had her line Contact for a while. She posts on there pictures of herself clearly with her long haired pretty Thai Boy (or is it a Tom. Can't be 100% sure from pics). These pics look really lovey dovey as well. Doesn't even try to hide her Thai boy pics from the customers. Probably likes men and sex a lot and makes sense to work as a hooker for this reason. I think often stays with her mum and sister on Bangkok outskirts. Can't tell if her Thai boy is like a pimp or like a regular BF, of course, perhaps the later is possible.

Just thought this was a bit unusual since most of the girls do not have obvious boyfriend pics on their Line posting information or wallpaper.

Of my 12 girls listed for repeat only 3 are from MPs currently, and the rest are freelancers or bar girls. It looks like I like to have some time to build chemistry with girls (but not too long) rather than get straight into fucking, even though with most girls I have little desire to date them properly, with one or two exceptions where I would have plenty of time for them even while not fucking. Unknown freelancers are proving a bit difficult for me, due to the general cut to the chase approach, and little opportunity to build chemistry, so lower chance of GFE.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1952210]
Just thought this was a bit unusual since most of the girls do not have obvious boyfriend pics on their Line posting information or wallpaper.[/QUOTE]I have 3 girls on Line that show an obvious significant other and I'm certain my compilation of Line/Facebook ID's is much fewer than yourself. A bar girl with a Tomboy, a gogo girl and a Soi 6 girl with a boyfriend.

Keep in mind that these girls can go to elaborate lengths providing you with a fake Facebook, Line, etc. account.

edit - I went back to check the Line and Facebook accounts for the 3 girls. Only one showed a partner on Line. The other 2 had no photos of partners on their Line ID's but pics all over on their Facebook accounts.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1952220]
edit - I went back to check the Line and Facebook accounts for the 3 girls. Only one showed a partner on Line. The other 2 had no photos of partners on their Line ID's but pics all over on their Facebook accounts.[/QUOTE]Yes that is more like what I expect.

Some girls don't try to hide boyfriends and seem as honest as a hooker can be, while others are very vague about their personal life, and the third set are the clear bullshit artists.

One of my girls at CH, I don't trust at all, as I know very well she spins stories at times. Yet other girls seem very straight forward and reliable.

When a girl tells you how her boyfriend wants her to meet his mother, and she is just about ready to dump him, I do squirm a bit, and think: "Too much information". A bit like when my boss would tell me who is going to get fired very soon, well before that person knows anything.

She did not tell me of course, how many other backup boyfriend contenders there were.

While girls hate men that are liars almost universally, I don't hate girls that tell a little bit of bullshit, provided they don't overdo it. There is nothing more boring than weird girls who are constantly bullshitting like more than 50% of the time. I prefer not to ask probing questions that might be fed bullshit. I just don't need to know much other than when is the girl reliably available.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1952220]I have 3 girls on Line that show an obvious significant other and I'm certain my compilation of Line/Facebook ID's is much fewer than yourself. A bar girl with a Tomboy, a gogo girl and a Soi 6 girl with a boyfriend.

Keep in mind that these girls can go to elaborate lengths providing you with a fake Facebook, Line, etc. account.

edit - I went back to check the Line and Facebook accounts for the 3 girls. Only one showed a partner on Line. The other 2 had no photos of partners on their Line ID's but pics all over on their Facebook accounts.[/QUOTE]I have 9 current Thai fuck buddy type girls on my LINE, Is that a lot? Perhaps not. One or two maybe struck off soon. One got a boob job and haven't seen the result yet. Only 3 or 4 are really important girls.

14 July 2015.

"Bangkok – Customs department Director General Somchai Sajjapong has reported that Thai and foreign tourists are now allowed to bring in with them personal belongings worth 20,000 baht into Thailand with no import tax from earlier fixed at 10,000 baht."

"The increase in the value of personal belongings brought in by both Thais and foreigners into the country with import tax exemption is now in force."

How can those numbers be so small? Many people's laptop alone cost more than 10 or 20 K baht.

I expect every day 1000's of visitors to LOS are failing to declare when they should be.

BTW I always walk the "nothing to declare" path & in all my visits to LOS have only been called to have my belongings checked once. Paid no fine.

I had some luck on OK Cupid finding nice, legit Thai women, of the marrying kind I mean. Two have become very close and one I have visited several times now and we have become quite fond of each other, though I continue to play. Never found a freelancer on OKC howerver.

Likewise, I have not cracked the code on Thai Cupid. I am older but figured that the freelancers would make themselves known by how they dress for their pictures and that they are young yet searching for men up to 75! I have only identified a couple who meet this profile, and my messages to them have been ignored. About all I get are messages and interests from ladies over 40 who want love and that, duh, is not what I am looking for in a girl from near Pattaya. I am not going to monger in Bangkok so I have not looked there

I will be in Pattaya next week for about 2 weeks and was trying to set up some meetings, but I have nothing!

I do have the Tender app and I guess I will try that when I get out there. Searching for girls on Soi 6 or in the bars is fun, but sometimes too much work!

So I am missing something on how to find girls for fun on Thai Cupid for the Pattaya area?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1956275]I do have the Tender app and I guess I will try that when I get out there ... Searching for girls on Soi 6 or in the bars is fun, but sometimes too much work!

So I am missing something on how to find girls for fun on Thai Cupid for the Pattaya area?[/QUOTE]Try Badoo. But note, most venues require some form of "work" (effort) on your part to find the right girl and bring her up to your level of satisfaction. I call it the hunt and I enjoy that part of the game. Social media sites require a good deal of investigatory & preparation "work" and result in a fair number of letdowns for every gem you find. If Soi 6 is to much "work" for you, try the BJ bars. No effort is required there. Just walk in and smile. You don't have to lift a finger.

"Thailand is closed to sex trade', says country's first female tourism minister".

"Thailand has promised to eradicate its notorious sex tourism industry as it attempts to reinvent itself as a female-friendly travel destination.

Kobkarn Wattanavrangkul, the country's first female tourism minister, made the pledge following a series of police raids on Thai brothels last month, amid concerns over human* trafficking and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] sex workers.

"We want Thailand to be about quality tourism. We want the sex industry gone," Ms Kobkarn told Reuters.

"Tourists don't come to Thailand for such a thing. They come here for our beautiful culture."

Ms Kobkarn began her drive to clean up Thai tourism's image soon after arriving in office in 2014, singling out the seedy resort city of Pattaya as a pilot project for the country at large.

Pattaya has more than 1,000 bars and massage parlors, many of which are fronts for illegal brothels.

But last month's police raids, in which police closed down a high-profile Bangkok massage parlor and arrested more than 100 sex workers employed there 15 of whom were [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] could mark a turning point for the industry."

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/17/thailand-is-closed-to-sex-tourism-says-countrys-first-female-tou/[/URL]

There seems to be some confusion among some board members on the exchange rates. The following applies to the US dollar and US banks.

If you subtract the Foreign ATM transaction fees of 200 Baht and do not have any other fees from your bank, you will not beat the exchange rate you get from your ATM debit card. Same thing applies to Visa and Mastercard.

At the currency exchange shops, there is a buy and sell rate. Better shops will have smaller spreads. The ATM debit card will give you the best possible buy rate. Last week, this exchange rate was the same as the TT currency exchange shop rate in Pattaya. The exchange shops need to make money; there should not be a place with a better rate.

When you arrive at BKK airport, there is collusion with all the currency exchange shops. They all have the same bad rates. For example, last week, the buy/sell cash rates at the airport were 32.XX/35.XX when it was 34.XX/35.XX outside the airport. But the exchange rate you get with the ATM at the airport will be the best possible rate you can get. The currency exchange shops cannot affect the exchange rates on the ATM which is on that international banking system. The ATM exchange rate at the airport was the same as the TT currency exchange shop in Pattaya. That chain seems to have the best rates in Pattaya.

Some people reported bad rates using the ATM. Those people probably are accounting for the foreign ATM transaction fee of 200 Baht, possible foreign transaction fees, and possible junk fees from their own banks. As reported many times, if you get the best ATM cards, these fees are avoided.

Here is the equation you need to use to get the exchange rate (assuming you are refunded the 200 baht fee and assuming you have no other fees from your bank):

(Baht amount you take out + 200 baht fee) divided by (amount you are charged from your bank).

The above also applies to the Angeles ATMs.

A couple years ago I made a quick business trip to Thailand but was with other people and couldn't slip out for any fun. In February I'll be making another trip where I will have some limited free time to do as I please. I'll be in various Thailand locations but will not be able to get to Thailand's crown jewel, Pattaya.

Between now and February I'll be reading many reports from this forum. But I was wondering if there is something to read that introduces a newbe to the hobby in Thailand, I'd like to read that first.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;1966290]A couple years ago I made a quick business trip to Thailand but was with other people and couldn't slip out for any fun. In February I'll be making another trip where I will have some limited free time to do as I please. I'll be in various Thailand locations but will not be able to get to Thailand's crown jewel, Pattaya.

Between now and February I'll be reading many reports from this forum. But I was wondering if there is something to read that introduces a newbe to the hobby in Thailand, I'd like to read that first.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Spend some hours in the Reports Of Distinction.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;1966290]A couple years ago I made a quick business trip to Thailand but was with other people and couldn't slip out for any fun. In February I'll be making another trip where I will have some limited free time to do as I please. I'll be in various Thailand locations but will not be able to get to Thailand's crown jewel, Pattaya.

Between now and February I'll be reading many reports from this forum. But I was wondering if there is something to read that introduces a newbe to the hobby in Thailand, I'd like to read that first.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]In Pattaya at any of the books stores their are books written by mongers. I think one is called no money no honey. To main in rules is always use a condom because in my experience 95% will go bareback and second never leave and send the money thinking you are their boyfriend.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1961274]There seems to be some confusion among some board members on the exchange rates. The following applies to the US dollar and US banks.

If you subtract the Foreign ATM transaction fees of 200 Baht and do not have any other fees from your bank, you will not beat the exchange rate you get from your ATM debit card. Same thing applies to Visa and Mastercard.

At the currency exchange shops, there is a buy and sell rate. Better shops will have smaller spreads. The ATM debit card will give you the best possible buy rate. Last week, this exchange rate was the same as the TT currency exchange shop rate in Pattaya. The exchange shops need to make money; there should not be a place with a better rate.

When you arrive at BKK airport, there is collusion with all the currency exchange shops. They all have the same bad rates. For example, last week, the buy/sell cash rates at the airport were 32.XX/35.XX when it was 34.XX/35.XX outside the airport..[/QUOTE]This is an easy one. Get a Charles Schwab bank account. There is no ATM fees ever!

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1966292]Spend some hours in the Reports Of Distinction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomSf;1966552]In Pattaya at any of the books stores their are books written by mongers. I think one is called no money no honey. To main in rules is always use a condom because in my experience 95% will go bareback and second never leave and send the money thinking you are their boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Thanks gents, good thoughts. I had forgotten about the reports of distinction. Are the monger guide books also available in Bangkok bookstores? I'll definitely make it to Nana Plaza.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;1966592]Thanks gents, good thoughts. I had forgotten about the reports of distinction. Are the monger guide books also available in Bangkok bookstores? I'll definitely make it to Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]Try the "Asia Books" chain. There are a few on Sukhumvit (even side) between Nana and Asoke and in Terminal 21. There is a very big bookstore (with a Japanese sounding name) in Emquartier mall and Siam Paragon. They have a huge selection of English language books and if my memory serves me right there were some of the books you're looking for ("No money, no honey" and "Private Dancer").

If you have an e-reader, you can buy some of these on the Internet and download them. On my e-reader I have:

* Romance and Red Lights in Asia, by Mark Cyr.

* Thailand Old Hand, by Peter Jaggs.

* Thailand After Dark, by James Newman.

* How to get the most bang fo your buck in Thailand & How I got the most bang for my buck in Thailand, both by M. Schwartz.

* The Complete Guide to Thai Hookers, by Kings of Thailand.

Some other I don't (yet) have:

* Thailand confidential, by Jerry Hopkins

* I took the sex gods to Thailand, by Lee Huxley

* I Woke Up Feeling Thailand, by Dr D. Bruno Starrs

* Erotic Adventure in Thailand, by Jay Walken

* Been There, Done WHAT!, by John Cameron Smith

* My Thai Girl and I: How I found a new life in Thailand, by Andrew Hicks

* Drink, Play, F@#k, by Andrew Gottlieb

* Bizarre Thailand, by Jim Algie

* Thailand Red Lights: Tales of Debauchery and a Guide to it All!, by RedLightRanger

* Man's Complete Guide to Paradise in Thailand, by Chris Hamilton

* Amusing Thailand: A Survivor's Guide to Pattaya, by Mike Bell

* Thai Sex Talk - The Language of Sex and Sexuality in Thailand by Peter A. Jackson (Editor)

* Bonking Billys Thailand Diary (Parts One and Two), by Peter Jaggs

* The Uncensored Massage: Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam, and China, by P.C. Anders

* Thailand Bar Girls, Angels and Devils, by Peter Jaggs

* Bordellos and Brothels: Laos, Thailand and Sarawak, Malaysia, by Thomas Clarion

* ENGLISH-THAI - Love, Sex and Romance Phrasebook, by Peter Jaggs, Wanalee Ar-Ngi

* English - Thai - Bar Guide (Bar girl small talk), by Mark Reynolds

* Pattaya Girls Or You Will Love Me For This But Hate Me For The Rest Of Your Life, by Johnny Thai

* Patty’s Guide to Thai Ladies & All Men, by Tony Crossley, Patcha Boonjaeng

* Angels of Pattaya - Inside the Secret World of Thai Prostitution, by GT Gray

(They're all available at the [URL]KOBO.com[/URL] e-reader and e-book store. If you don't have a KOBO e-reader, you can download and install a free e-reader on your laptop or tablet from their site and use that.).

2 nded, I love my schwab account. I also have a state farm bank account as well as they refund fees as long as you use direct deposit. I only put like $100 a month in that way which is enough and they refund fees.

[QUOTE=TomSf;1966554]This is an easy one. Get a Charles Schwab bank account. There is no ATM fees ever![/QUOTE]

There's a question I've been thinking. Please share if you know about it for general knowledge so that everyone knows. How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies even though they are not porn actress? The reason why I asked is I want to film for my own memory. I have no intention to share them with anyone else since I can't do it because of my career. I am pretty sure that a large of amount of money is paid to the ladies to appear in the video right? I've tried paying a lot to the ladies that I took home but all of them refused to film them. So I've been wondering how do those people get the ladies to film porn video? Where do they get those ladies from?

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;1969037]How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies...I've tried paying a lot to the ladies that I took home but all of them refused to film them. So I've been wondering how do those people get the ladies to film porn video? Where do they get those ladies from?[/QUOTE]Interesting question.

Several years ago, taking photos or short video clips was not much of an issue. Almost all girls were be OK with a number of normal photos, often semi-naked (with a towel or bra / panties). A sizeable number, perhaps 30% were OK even with the harder stuff. As an amateur photographer (never was into video) I never had to pay extra for it, though I would tip if they were more patient than usual. It was more of an issue of annoyance / going with the flow, with no vehement fear of being photographed or filmed. Sure, some girls were aware punters might share pics on the internet, but it was rarely on top of their mind. No trying to hide faces, no worrying at all, taking pics was just another mild fetish a punter had.

Smartphones and Facebook have change this dramatically. Now all the girls know you can send a picture to anyone instantly, and are concerned about privacy. Often, they wouldn't even be comfortable even with fully clothed pic. Moreover, Thai working girls are far less patient these days, so even if you manage 5-10 photos, they'll start giving you the annoyed vibe and ask to move on. It's definitely much harder. Outright asking "can I take photos" will arise suspicions and discomfort (it wasn't the best approach before, but now it's especially bad). What I generally do these days is take a few casual snaps (fully clothed). And usually that's where it ends. 5-10 years ago it was easy to start this way, then take more pics and transition into more revealing stuff. But it just doesn't happen often anymore.

Sorry if this is a disappointing answer. Many of the websites you mentioned are 10+ years old.

Perhaps explicitly stating what you want upfront might be the best way. But be prepared for a lot of rejections. In addition, know that filming any sort of porn in Thailand is illegal, so make sure to protect yourself (i.e. don't leave those files out in the open, encrypt your data etc).

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;1969037]There's a question I've been thinking. Please share if you know about it for general knowledge so that everyone knows. How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies even though they are not porn actress? [/QUOTE]You offer them the right amount of money. You obviously weren't offering them enough. I don't think anyone who does commercial porn does so for pocket change, anywhere in the world. They will want their cut up front. Trying to tell them it is for personal usage only is not going to be too convincing.

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;1969037]There's a question I've been thinking. Please share if you know about it for general knowledge so that everyone knows. How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies even though they are not porn actress? The reason why I asked is I want to film for my own memory. I have no intention to share them with anyone else since I can't do it because of my career. I am pretty sure that a large of amount of money is paid to the ladies to appear in the video right? I've tried paying a lot to the ladies that I took home but all of them refused to film them. So I've been wondering how do those people get the ladies to film porn video? Where do they get those ladies from?[/QUOTE]For a start there are no "porn actresses" in Thailand, at least not officially since porn is actually banned in the Kingdom. Yes, that's strange: prostitution is legal but showing your naked butt in a movie can land you in jail.

So I'm not too certain that these "Thai" videos are indeed Thai, either filmed in Thailand or employing Thai actresses. And finally, from the few videos I watched in the Creampie Asian or Asia Street Meat series, I found the actresses not looking very happy, almost coerced or doing these things against their will. Some even had this weird look, as if drugged or otherwise incapacitated. These movies all had a sense of despair. LIke "unless I do this, I'll be dead of hunger tomorrow, if not earlier". Nothing that compares with the P4 P scene I experienced in Thailand, where even my worst encounters where still at least of the "I may not enjoy this overmuch, but its an honest job and the money is better than working in a factory" type.

I can't say I found these movies exciting, quite the contrary.

Wolvenvacht.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1972738] prostitution is legal [/QUOTE]I've been meaning to ask this. I know prostitution is tolerated in many countries but which SEA countries is prostitution actually legal?

On a related note, anyone know if a web cam girl can legally cam from any SE Asian country?

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;1969037]There's a question I've been thinking. Please share if you know about it for general knowledge so that everyone knows. How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies even though they are not porn actress? The reason why I asked is I want to film for my own memory. I have no intention to share them with anyone else since I can't do it because of my career. I am pretty sure that a large of amount of money is paid to the ladies to appear in the video right? I've tried paying a lot to the ladies that I took home but all of them refused to film them. So I've been wondering how do those people get the ladies to film porn video? Where do they get those ladies from?[/QUOTE]All these girls come from the streets and bars and absolutely none of them are professionals. In fact, you can see a 10+ year veteran street girl that made it into an Asian Street Meat video still working in front of Robinson's McDo at Soi 19.

In the past getting pics and video was no problem whatsoever and I have a real collection of homemade porn amassed. Now with social media, girls are much more wary about even having their pic taken, much less of having pornographic video shot. In my days of shooting pics and vids, I never once offered to pay anything extra nor did I negotiate anything up front. It was all spur of the moment and nothing hidden. Nowadays I don't even bother in Thailand. Even getting a solid straightforward no-nonsense fuck session here is becoming more of a chore. If you still want to give it a go, you may try to get WeChat girls and negotiate everything up front. At least you won't waste time in bar or street negotiations. Good luck and enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1972796]I've been meaning to ask this. I know prostitution is tolerated in many countries but which SEA countries is prostitution actually legal?

On a related note, anyone know if a web cam girl can legally cam from any SE Asian country?[/QUOTE]It is legal in Thailand and in Singapore.

As far as I know it is illegal in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Malaysia and I guess it is also illegal in Myanmar.

Of course, that doesn't mean it is not available in those countries.

In Laos, it is even illegal for not married people (one of which is Laotian) to stay together in the same hotel room.

[QUOTE=MetalHorn;1969037]There's a question I've been thinking. Please share if you know about it for general knowledge so that everyone knows. How do porn videos like Creampie Thais, Asian street meat, etc. In Thailand can film with ladies even though they are not porn actress? The reason why I asked is I want to film for my own memory. I have no intention to share them with anyone else since I can't do it because of my career. I am pretty sure that a large of amount of money is paid to the ladies to appear in the video right? I've tried paying a lot to the ladies that I took home but all of them refused to film them. So I've been wondering how do those people get the ladies to film porn video? Where do they get those ladies from?[/QUOTE]I forgot to mention in my Pattaya reports, but outside Central Mall, I believe it was, I saw a guy on the steps outside who reminded me of one of the dudes in the Asian Street Meat videos. Not the older bald dude, the other guy. I thought of going over to say Hi, even volunteer my services, haha, but couldn't decide how I would handle the situation if I was wrong. No idea if they are still filming those videos or not. Like one guy said, many of the videos appear as if the girl is not exactly happy to be there, which is a real turn off. I like the Japanese girls a lot more, but those girls or others similar in looks don't seem to be available to non-Jap speaking mongeror. Bummer.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1972989]I forgot to mention in my Pattaya reports, but outside Central Mall, I believe it was, I saw a guy on the steps outside who reminded me of one of the dudes in the Asian Street Meat videos. Not the older bald dude, the other guy. [/QUOTE]The older bald dude (Naughty Nigel) died a few years ago, I think Stickman mentioned him in one of his columns. I saw him once in Bangkok around 2010 or so.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1973523]The older bald dude (Naughty Nigel) died a few years ago, I think Stickman mentioned him in one of his columns. I saw him once in Bangkok around 2010 or so.[/QUOTE]Hello,

I saw him walking too with one or two of his companions in lower Sukhumvit looking for prey. I really liked the stuff on his site. Did not know he passed away.

Now in Cambodia can sometimes see girls similar to the ones in older movies but OMG they don't speak English. Usually you would hear a native speaker in the background giving the girls instructions.

Now there is a new guy making movies. When the cart bars where still open I did one of his stars regularly there. 99% sure she was heavily addicted to some illegal stuff. Because of the concrete blocks put on the pavement I think the cart bars will not return. Where did the hookers Go? Not on Craigslist.

Greetings,

Frits.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1972922]It is legal in Thailand and in Singapore.

As far as I know it is illegal in Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Malaysia and I guess it is also illegal in Myanmar.

Of course, that doesn't mean it is not available in those countries.

In Laos, it is even illegal for not married people (one of which is Laotian) to stay together in the same hotel room.[/QUOTE]I had a live in Lao girlfriend and we traveled to Savannakhet to visit her family and do her visa run. We spent 6 days at a well reviewed guesthouse and no one mentioned anything about not staying in the same room.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;1973825]I had a live in Lao girlfriend and we traveled to Savannakhet to visit her family and do her visa run. We spent 6 days at a well reviewed guesthouse and no one mentioned anything about not staying in the same room.[/QUOTE]This discussion is probably in the wrong thread but I will answer anyway.

Just because nobody at your guesthouse mentioned it doesn't mean it's not illegal.

If you stay in the 4 and 5-star places in Vientiane you will see signs at check-in stating it's illegal for non-married Laos to be in your room.

As has been discussed in the Lao threads, this law has become much more relaxed in the last 3 to 4 years BUT you need to be wary as it allows unscrupulous people (check-in staff especially) to get a windfall by reporting you to the LE and then you will have to pay various parties a hefty "fee" to make your "illegal" activity disappear.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1973845]
If you stay in the 4 and 5-star places in Vientiane you will see signs at check-in stating it's illegal for non-married Laos to be in your room.
[/QUOTE]She only has to be married already? No problem if she is someone else's wife? Are both the man and the girl going to be in equal amount of trouble, or is it purely the man's fault?

This law seems very strange since in Thailand, only a certain percentage of "marriages" actually have a marriage certificate. In Thailand a man and a woman living together are considered to be married (or husband and wife), even if there is no official marriage certificate. In old times, if a bad storm caused a man and woman to be stuck under one roof for the night, then they would often be considered to man and wife, and stuck with each other for the long term. I know one girl (years ago) who claimed she got stuck with her school master, she still being a student, over night in a bad storm situation and therefore became his wife, rather than him being locked up for such a shocking crime. She did not say if she willingly fucked him, or was raped, or whether sex actually occurred.

I had better stay away from Laos, since I am regularly doing a girl that officially is some one else's partner and technically she is not actually married ( to make it worse LOL).

So a buddy of mine just returned from Oaxaca and brought back a bottle of really nice Mezcal for me. He knows I love the stuff. What a smoky charcoal, yet smooth to the finish flavor and taste this alcohol has. There is no burn. I think I might like it better than anejo Tequila. So I begin to think wouldn't it be nice to have a bottle of mezcal in BKK. I am reluctant to carry a bottle in my checked luggage due to the risk of breakage and forget about finding it in a duty free store. My question is does anyone know a store that sells high quality Mezcal or Anejo Tequila in BKK?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1975813]
Your reports have taken on a whole new appearance, and you seem genuinely interested now in helping out readers of this site rather than being self-centered about your own tastes.
[/QUOTE]A leopard doesn't change its spots, that much. Okay I got the message the record was stuck re my caveats about personal taste. I have always been willing to share info, or a perspective, not secretive, unless a particular girl needs to be a big secret for special reasons. Sometimes this happens. E. g. Girl has a boyfriend or sponsor, so we cannot mention her any longer.

In the Escorts thread I have no Escort experience so limited info to give. I do want information sometimes, even very difficult to get any, and unfortunately that means I need to know surgeries status of Escorts if the info can be obtained.

As for anyone, my own method, own specs, and my own interests have to always dominate reports of course. I always had the habit to explain why I liked or disliked a line up, so others could make allowances for their own taste being different. I may have been a bit too passionate about certain specs (you know which ones). Others are so passionate also about other requirements, be it no baby, A+, white skin, young age, ass licking, etc. I don't usually identify with those requirements so I know not to choose the those recommended girls, necessarily. Similarly someone makes allowances that my "gorgeous GFE girl", may have a small natural nose, small tits, generally slim, possibly mid to dark skin, possibly with baby, probably not A+, probably no ass licking, etc. However I will bet that Natty Bumpo at least, will like almost all my girls because his specs are so similar, although he is not as picky I think re my special requirements.

I always gave honest reports with nothing invented. I do report gossip too but say it is gossip. Others may dispute that girls get into sex as much as I claim they do, but I was the one present to try to interpret their responses. I generally like girls that like sex. If a girl is clearly not into it at all, irrespective of ability to cum, it is unlikely I will repeat. The more enthusiastic they are, the better I like it, without them going over the top of course. It has to seem natural to me. I have refused girls that are coming on a bit strong to me that does not seem believable or natural. I don't like acting or bullshit that much.

Normally I think one can tell by a girls movements during DATY and cowgirl, etc. , whether they are trying to be stimulated or trying to avoid it completely, or trying to control it. Cowgirl is the very best as girl gets 90% of the control.

Interestingly I found Prae at Mango to very enthusiastic and we got on very well. Her body was a pleasant surprise being quite excellent. Goatscrot reported same girl was less than enthusiastic. Different style of session. YMMV. At least readers will get an understanding about what style of customer Prae can do well with, and she probably isn't the pornstar for demanding type of customer more the possible GFE type.

I am the same guy as before. Its is just I can see the record was stuck on certain things and others were bored with that. I never be able to recommend the very best pornstar type of girls. It is not my area of expertise. I am expert at detecting weird looks on Thai girls that are not typically Thai, but not infallible, be they lady boys, or highly modified girls. However okay Very few others care about this topic, if anyone, although sometimes gets mentioned. When BKK Dog said a bar had no surgeries, I was mystified and could not be understanding what he actually meant. In the end I guessed he meant the girls in his Jacuzzi section did not have boob jobs. Lovely natural tits.

Just like I don't understand the tastes of others, I don't expect everyone to understand mine. I can't fathom why a guy will look for a girl with very overdone silicones. I can't fathom why so many guys are taking ladyboys (with dicks). What activities can they perform? Obviously not DATY (LOL). I don't know if some guys want to be ass fucked, for example, but I suspect generally not. Seems many guys look for something extra extreme not normally available to them. I just like the plain normal stuff would do with a GF, nothing at all kinky.

Everyone can take the hint and improve their posts. Unfortunately mine are still too long, and go off on too many tangents. LOL I am mindful, that posts should try to be useful to others if possible, even if I am trying to bash the habitual shit dumper, the intention is to reduce intimidation on the forum.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1975154]So a buddy of mine just returned from Oaxaca and brought back a bottle of really nice Mezcal for me. He knows I love the stuff. What a smoky charcoal, yet smooth to the finish flavor and taste this alcohol has. There is no burn. I think I might like it better than anejo Tequila. So I begin to think wouldn't it be nice to have a bottle of mezcal in BKK. I am reluctant to carry a bottle in my checked luggage due to the risk of breakage and forget about finding it in a duty free store. My question is does anyone know a store that sells high quality Mezcal or Anejo Tequila in BKK?[/QUOTE]Wrap the bottle in 2 layers of bubble wrap. Bigger bubbles provide more cushioning. And put a roll of toilet paper over the neck to equal out the diameter. Give it another wrap if you want. Don't forget about the bottom. Pack it in the middle of the hard shell bag with the clothes doing the cushioning.

Never had one broken yet. I have toted about 12 bottles of various farang lao over the past 3 years. Of course, you give up some space in the suitcase but you get it back when you return.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1975942]Wrap the bottle in 2 layers of bubble wrap. Bigger bubbles provide more cushioning. And put a roll of toilet paper over the neck to equal out the diameter. Give it another wrap if you want. Don't forget about the bottom. Pack it in the middle of the hard shell bag with the clothes doing the cushioning.

Never had one broken yet.[/QUOTE]I have never had one broken either and all I do is wrap it in a couple of my shirts and my bag is soft.

[QUOTE=Dinghy;1975942]Wrap the bottle in 2 layers of bubble wrap. Bigger bubbles provide more cushioning. And put a roll of toilet paper over the neck to equal out the diameter. Give it another wrap if you want. Don't forget about the bottom. Pack it in the middle of the hard shell bag with the clothes doing the cushioning.

Never had one broken yet. I have toted about 12 bottles of various farang lao over the past 3 years. Of course, you give up some space in the suitcase but you get it back when you return.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1975948]I have never had one broken either and all I do is wrap it in a couple of my shirts and my bag is soft.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys, I am going to give it a try. I can't wait to see how the girls take to Mezcal as I am sure they have never tried it before.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1975985]Thanks guys, I am going to give it a try. I can't wait to see how the girls take to Mezcal as I am sure they have never tried it before.[/QUOTE]My technique is similar to Dinghy's but first I slide it into a big thick sock and then sometimes I might also put it in a box after it's all wrapped. Never lost one yet.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1976133]My technique is similar to Dinghy's but first I slide it into a big thick sock and then sometimes I might also put it in a box after it's all wrapped. Never lost one yet.[/QUOTE]LOL Reads rather funny, till check what the topic was.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1975985]Thanks guys, I am going to give it a try. I can't wait to see how the girls take to Mezcal as I am sure they have never tried it before.[/QUOTE]In plenty of bars the customer Tequilas are not like the lady Tequilas, so girls in those bars may get a big shock, after previously drinking sweeter weaker stuff.

In Billboard, girls were drinking Pink strawberry milky stuff in shot glasses and still calling it Tequilas. LOL Bargirls use Tequila as a very generic word for strong drink that is not Lao Khao "White Spirit" stuff drunk by country folk and often mixed with old Thai form of Krathing Daeng (Red Bull) in the brown bottle.

Merry Christmas people. Thinking about going to Thailand strictly for mongering as an alternative to my usual destination of Singapore. I am of course researching the forum as usual but can someone give me a few pointers. I've never been before at all and will be going on my own in the second week of January for 5 days.

Is this a good time to go? You guys think Pattaya or Bangkok? I'm after staying at a five star hotel (not too worried about the price) and getting really nice girls where I don't mind paying 5000 bht for (which from my reading here is a lot). What areas do I need to search on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for hotels? I have found a list of places to check out in Bangkok and there is plenty of info for Pattaya for where to go as well.

Thanks guys. Of course once I decide and I'm out there I will post full reports especially as it's my first time there and I'm alone I'm sure it will come in handy for lots of other people as well.

Boom!

Just for a bit of fun, guys.

Girls have modifications or natural variations, right? Some are tolerable and some up not, based on personal preference.

I think of Nose and tit enhancements, jaw and cheek enhancements, ass enhance, tattoos, piercings, baby damage including sag.

Suppose we were faced with a set of sexy alien girls, like in Star Trek etc. Highly modified girls. Which ones would we find very attractive and like to fuck?

So what types of modifications are easily ignorable, and still see the girl as highly attractive?

Would you do a Pejoran or a Kardasian (the Star Trek variety)?

Are there guys so particular they would find all undoable?

Some more.

Which girls are not doable?

I would probably pass on girls labelled: alien, cat, lizard, jugs, and would not take the first 2 girls in the set of three. with face shape just a bit too altered.
Skin colour can be blue or green or dark, does not worry me, so not a racist, but not keen on anything looking really severely non human.
Variegated skin colours is a bit like tatoos.

A little shrapnel on face is tolerable, as in 7 of 9 (equivalent to piercings).

Weird ears does not bother me much but very strange noses puts me off a little. These are somewhat equivalent to surgeries girls (some looking like aliens to me).

Alieng with black and white colouring is borderline for me. The blue girl is just about perfectly my spec. Notice with most alien girls they still stick to cute little upturned noses, so as not to put guys like Syzy off?

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1978235]Merry Christmas people. Thinking about going to Thailand strictly for mongering as an alternative to my usual destination of Singapore. I am of course researching the forum as usual but can someone give me a few pointers. I've never been before at all and will be going on my own in the second week of January for 5 days.

Thanks guys. Of course once I decide and I'm out there I will post full reports especially as it's my first time there and I'm alone I'm sure it will come in handy for lots of other people as well.

Boom![/QUOTE]I believe your other 9 posts are all about Singapore mongering, right?

Have you tried RTFF?

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1978235]I'm after staying at a five star hotel (not too worried about the price) and getting really nice girls where I don't mind paying 5000 bht for (which from my reading here is a lot). What areas do I need to search on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for hotels? I have found a list of places to check out in Bangkok and there is plenty of info for Pattaya for where to go as well.
[/QUOTE]As soon as you say you want 5 star Hotels, you will alienate plenty of posters, who prefer to save money. I don't even know if great Hotels I stayed at were 5 stars or only 4. If you have a list of places, you should publish them to get any comment on whether its a good or bad list. You should know where they are and therefore where to stay? Or lazy to find out? We have a Bangkok Hotels Thread.

We won't know what is "really nice" girls for you either. You don't say what you would use 5000 baht for. Your overall post suffers from vagueness, for me.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1978235]Merry Christmas people. Thinking about going to Thailand strictly for mongering as an alternative to my usual destination of Singapore. I am of course researching the forum as usual but can someone give me a few pointers. I've never been before at all and will be going on my own in the second week of January for 5 days.

Is this a good time to go? You guys think Pattaya or Bangkok? I'm after staying at a five star hotel (not too worried about the price) and getting really nice girls where I don't mind paying 5000 bht for (which from my reading here is a lot). What areas do I need to search on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for hotels? I have found a list of places to check out in Bangkok and there is plenty of info for Pattaya for where to go as well.

Thanks guys. Of course once I decide and I'm out there I will post full reports especially as it's my first time there and I'm alone I'm sure it will come in handy for lots of other people as well.

Boom![/QUOTE]If you just come to Thailand for mongering then Pattaya is [b]the[/b] place to be.

You will find everything there from cheap to expensive.

Any hotel at our near Beach Road will be in a good location for finding girls. Look in the usual hotel '[URL]booking.com[/URL]' websites to find something.

For 5000 baht you can easily get a cute gogo dancer to spend the whole night with you.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1978235]Merry Christmas people. Thinking about going to Thailand strictly for mongering as an alternative to my usual destination of Singapore. I am of course researching the forum as usual but can someone give me a few pointers. I've never been before at all and will be going on my own in the second week of January for 5 days.

Is this a good time to go? You guys think Pattaya or Bangkok? I'm after staying at a five star hotel (not too worried about the price) and getting really nice girls where I don't mind paying 5000 bht for (which from my reading here is a lot). What areas do I need to search on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for hotels? I have found a list of places to check out in Bangkok and there is plenty of info for Pattaya for where to go as well.

Thanks guys. Of course once I decide and I'm out there I will post full reports especially as it's my first time there and I'm alone I'm sure it will come in handy for lots of other people as well.

Boom![/QUOTE]Personally, I think the quality of girls is better in Bangkok than in Pattaya. If you are looking at "getting really nice girls", I would stay with Bangkok. I have been to Pattaya about 20 times, and Bangkok about 100 times. Of all the girls I have ever been with in Thailand, I wouldn't rate any girl I have had in Pattaya in the top 100. I don't know if it's just bad luck, but I don't even go to Pattaya anymore. In Bangkok, I normally stay at the JW Marriott on Soi 2. There is plenty of action in that area. Restaurants, gogos, etc. There is a nice big mirror that takes up the entire wall by the bed as well. I've always liked that about the Marriott. But there are quite a few nice 5 star hotels not far from that area.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1978235]Merry Christmas people. Thinking about going to Thailand strictly for mongering as an alternative to my usual destination of Singapore. I am of course researching the forum as usual but can someone give me a few pointers. I've never been before at all and will be going on my own in the second week of January for 5 days.

Is this a good time to go? You guys think Pattaya or Bangkok? I'm after staying at a five star hotel (not too worried about the price) and getting really nice girls where I don't mind paying 5000 bht for (which from my reading here is a lot). What areas do I need to search on [URL]booking.com[/URL] for hotels? I have found a list of places to check out in Bangkok and there is plenty of info for Pattaya for where to go as well.

Thanks guys. Of course once I decide and I'm out there I will post full reports especially as it's my first time there and I'm alone I'm sure it will come in handy for lots of other people as well.

Boom![/QUOTE]If it were me (and fuck my monkey balls it's not), I would go to Bangkok instead of Pattaya. I love Pattaya and its's lady offerings, but the girls in Bangkok are just a little less fresh off the farm and slightly more to my liking. It sounds like that is what you are looking for. If it were me (I think I mentioned my fucking monkey balls already) I would stay at the Landmark or JW Marriott, or Terminal 21, or if money really was not any issue, I might splash for the Sheraton near Asok. The areas you want on [URL]booking.com[/URL] are Nana, Sukhumvit, and Asok. Other areas might work, but they are not in the heart of the action. Those other areas would be Chidlom, Siam, Pathumwan, and Ploenchit. Definitely don't stay on or near the river. That is far too distant, even though some of the best hotels are down there. In the 'other areas' section (Chidlom, etc.), you could stay at the Hyatt Erawan, or the Intercontinental, or Grande Centre Point Ratchadamri, or one of the other Marriotts, but they are just a tad far for me. So as I said, my choices would be the Landmark, JW Marriott, Terminal 21 or Sheraton, but I am sure others will have their own preferences. I recommend you look through the hotels thread.

Me and my monkey balls would visit NEP, Soi Cowboy, Mixx and Climax, not in that order. I would walk into each joint, find the woman who meets my perfect needs, and talk for a good long while. I would then seal the deal without a single mention of money. Go back to the hotel, laugh and joke a lot, have some alcohol available, and let loose for a while. When the monkey balls come out and the fucking starts, I would foreplay+sex for a good 3 hours (no multiple pops for this old Kumbu), ejaculate in one mighty heave, and then speed to end the ordeal. I would shower, have her shower, pay her whatever I was comfortable with (given that money is no object), and kick her to the curb. No LT bullshit for me, since sleep is paramount for the proper functioning of the aforementioned primate testis. I would get a good 8. 25 hours of sleep, spend the next day sipping coffee and tasting delicacies (of the epicurean kind, not the coital kind) around Bangkok, and upon the descent of the smog-faded sun, and the accompanying instinctual speeding of the pulse, I would repeat the cycle as needed.

Damn my fucking monkey balls it ain't me.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1979255]my choices would be the Landmark, JW Marriott, Terminal 21 or Sheraton[/QUOTE]Pullman (formerly Millennium) is also an excellent choice. I've stayed there many times. You can walk to soi cowboy in a few minutes from there.

Thanks to everyone who have given me some guidance. Its been invaluable and I'm looking closely into Thailand now (especially Bangkok) however on first look it appears that flights and hotel is nearly £500 more than the equivalent Singapore! But after all your advice I really should venture outside Singapore and maybe its worth the experience!

And BionicMan yes my previous posts have all been about Singapore (not only questions but reports as well) however that's the only place I've ever been mongering! I need to go elsewhere hence why the question to everyone here! I am researching the forum and will continue to do so especially after the guidance I've received here now!

Thanks to all once again and will of course post reports on where I eventually decide and what I get up.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1979364]Thanks to everyone who have given me some guidance. Its been invaluable and I'm looking closely into Thailand now (especially Bangkok) however on first look it appears that flights and hotel is nearly 500 more than the equivalent Singapore! But after all your advice I really should venture outside Singapore and maybe its worth the experience!
[/QUOTE]Singapore is one of the most expensive cities in the world, very noticeable with Hotel prices. Too expensive for me to spend much time there. Bangkok is way cheaper, of course I do not pick the most expensive Hotels like the Shangri-La. This is well known. I can't think where you fly from.
A good value for money Hotel in Bangkok Sukhumvit area should be cheaper than the equivalent in Singapore, in the 4 to 5 stars category.

Last year went to Orchard Tower mongering venue and was a little underwhealmed. Happy I had a nice Thai girl with me.

If you have he financial means, it is definitely worth making the change from Singapore to BKK. It isn't nearly as clean and "safe", but your mongering options are literally wide open.

I agree with the others: with your budget, go to Bangkok, stay near Chitlom (the Okura is outstanding, including a free minibar! And you are one BTS stop from Nana if you need nightlife.

A 5000 baht budget for the girl will go far. If I had that, I'd go for an escort and really take advantage of the high class hotel, the outstanding restaurants in BKK and then take her to one of the malls and just walk around with some candy on my arm.

You could always do a two day, one night trip down to Pattaya and try both places. Beaches in Payaya suck, tho, so I'd rather laze by a Bangkok pool with my hired honey and then go back to the room for some action.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1979255]If it were me (and fuck my monkey balls it's not), I would go to Bangkok instead of Pattaya. I love Pattaya and its's lady offerings, but the girls in Bangkok are just a little less fresh off the farm and slightly more to my liking. It sounds like that is what you are looking for. If it were me (I think I mentioned my fucking monkey balls already) I would stay at the Landmark or JW Marriott, or Terminal 21, or if money really was not any issue, I might splash for the Sheraton near Asok. The areas you want on [URL]booking.com[/URL] are Nana, Sukhumvit, and Asok. Other areas might work, but they are not in the heart of the action. Those other areas would be Chidlom, Siam, Pathumwan, and Ploenchit. Definitely don't stay on or near the river. That is far too distant, even though some of the best hotels are down there. In the 'other areas' section (Chidlom, etc.), you could stay at the Hyatt Erawan, or the Intercontinental, or Grande Centre Point Ratchadamri, or one of the other Marriotts, but they are just a tad far for me. So as I said, my choices would be the Landmark, JW Marriott, Terminal 21 or Sheraton, but I am sure others will have their own preferences. I recommend you look through the hotels thread.

Me and my monkey balls would visit NEP, Soi Cowboy, Mixx and Climax, not in that order. I would walk into each joint, find the woman who meets my perfect needs, and talk for a good long while. I would then seal the deal without a single mention of money. Go back to the hotel, laugh and joke a lot, have some alcohol available, and let loose for a while. When the monkey balls come out and the fucking starts, I would foreplay+sex for a good 3 hours (no multiple pops for this old Kumbu), ejaculate in one mighty heave, and then speed to end the ordeal. I would shower, have her shower, pay her whatever I was comfortable with (given that money is no object), and kick her to the curb. No LT bullshit for me, since sleep is paramount for the proper functioning of the aforementioned primate testis. I would get a good 8. 25 hours of sleep, spend the next day sipping coffee and tasting delicacies (of the epicurean kind, not the coital kind) around Bangkok, and upon the descent of the smog-faded sun, and the accompanying instinctual speeding of the pulse, I would repeat the cycle as needed.

Damn my fucking monkey balls it ain't me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1979364]Thanks to everyone who have given me some guidance. Its been invaluable and I'm looking closely into Thailand now (especially Bangkok) however on first look it appears that flights and hotel is nearly 500 more than the equivalent Singapore! But after all your advice I really should venture outside Singapore and maybe its worth the experience!

And BionicMan yes my previous posts have all been about Singapore (not only questions but reports as well) however that's the only place I've ever been mongering! I need to go elsewhere hence why the question to everyone here! I am researching the forum and will continue to do so especially after the guidance I've received here now!

Thanks to all once again and will of course post reports on where I eventually decide and what I get up.[/QUOTE]

Something's not right there. There is virtually no way Bangkok would end up being more expensive than singapore unless you are restricted somehow in your flight options. A 4* and even some of the of 5* shouldn't run you more than 100 USD. Everything else is cheaper in BKK too. Transport, food, drinks, even the baht is down against most currencies. I suggest checking your math again.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1979364]Thanks to everyone who have given me some guidance. Its been invaluable and I'm looking closely into Thailand now (especially Bangkok) however on first look it appears that flights and hotel is nearly 500 more than the equivalent Singapore! But after all your advice I really should venture outside Singapore and maybe its worth the experience!

And BionicMan yes my previous posts have all been about Singapore (not only questions but reports as well) however that's the only place I've ever been mongering! I need to go elsewhere hence why the question to everyone here! I am researching the forum and will continue to do so especially after the guidance I've received here now!

Thanks to all once again and will of course post reports on where I eventually decide and what I get up.[/QUOTE]

Are there straight up brothels in Bangkok like those with pimps? It'd be great if someone could PM me a pimp's number. Picking up girls in bars or the street ain't my cup of tea but I have a huge thing for brothels. Thanks in advance Would also be nice to meet up some fellow mongers who are into group sex and gangbang.

[QUOTE=HornyBroker;1979364]it appears that flights and hotel is nearly 500 more than the equivalent Singapore! [/QUOTE]Not friggin likely. Singapore is more expensive than Bangkok in every way.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1979606]Not friggin likely. Singapore is more expensive than Bangkok in every way.[/QUOTE]It's thailand peak season now, no wonder air tickets are more expensive.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1979643]It's thailand peak season now, no wonder air tickets are more expensive.[/QUOTE]It depends on the dates selected and where you are coming from. My brother just recently purchased a ticket from the USA to Bangkok on Singapore Air flying mid January and the round trip ticket was only $831. Yes, the week prior to him flying was about double that price. I believe prices drop drastically when the kids go back to school.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1979661]It depends on the dates selected and where you are coming from. My brother just recently purchased a ticket from the USA to Bangkok on Singapore Air flying mid January and the round trip ticket was only $831. Yes, the week prior to him flying was about double that price. I believe prices drop drastically when the kids go back to school.[/QUOTE]Algorithms today rule the airfare strategies.

Airlines want to increase their yields, not only the Load Factors.

So they set lots of factors in the rates. These can change for the very same flight even during the same day.

They record destination events, happenings, type of passengers.

A huge melting pot and a day plus or minus may not only mark a time difference but a price difference too.

If you fly "via" somewhere you might get a better price as the main flight is not that busy and so the price is more convenient, still you might not get the final leg at a bargain price as that will factor in.

The airfares (major airlines, not low cost) to and back from BKK from nearby KUL, SIN, HKG are never really cheap.

I just checked. Both Korean Air and Eva are below $700 for Jan 15.

Hey guys,

I am planning my second trip to Thailand in 2017.

I wanted to know if there was any issue with planning it around 10th Feb to 19th of Feb.

Valentines day (14th Feb) is falling in that trip. Is there any cause for concern regarding the availability of talent at that time?

Regards,

TheTank.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1979715]Hey guys,

I am planning my second trip to Thailand in 2017.

I wanted to know if there was any issue with planning it around 10th Feb to 19th of Feb.

Valentines day (14th Feb) is falling in that trip. Is there any cause for concern regarding the availability of talent at that time?

Regards,

TheTank.[/QUOTE]No problem at all. Even if 75% of the girls would suddenly decide to spend that evening with their boyfriends, there would still be enough talent available to keep you stressed for choice and exhausted.

I will be in BKK and Pattaya in Feb. To be the most efficient in BKK, I would like to engage a tour guide to show me around for a few hours. Several days perhaps, Can anyone recommend a tour guide. This person could also provide sensual services as well, but I don't want to pay an hourly rate for an Escort or FL when I am standing in line looking at a Temple or Palace.

Thanks for your support.

I think a lot of bars have V Day themes around the 14th.

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1979715]Hey guys,

I am planning my second trip to Thailand in 2017.

I wanted to know if there was any issue with planning it around 10th Feb to 19th of Feb.

Valentines day (14th Feb) is falling in that trip. Is there any cause for concern regarding the availability of talent at that time?

Regards,

TheTank.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheTank85;1979715]Hey guys,

I am planning my second trip to Thailand in 2017.

I wanted to know if there was any issue with planning it around 10th Feb to 19th of Feb.

Valentines day (14th Feb) is falling in that trip. Is there any cause for concern regarding the availability of talent at that time?

Regards,

TheTank.[/QUOTE]That time frame it is also within the range of Chinese New Year. One ask it is Chinese I'm surprise all many Thai celebrate Chinese New Year, it seem more popular than home. The air traffic if you take Eva can be heavy between Taipei and Bangkok, play around with the dates and you might see the fare during this period higher on certain dates?

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;1979958]I will be in BKK and Pattaya in Feb. To be the most efficient in BKK, I would like to engage a tour guide to show me around for a few hours. Several days perhaps, Can anyone recommend a tour guide. This person could also provide sensual services as well, but I don't want to pay an hourly rate for an Escort or FL when I am standing in line looking at a Temple or Palace.

Thanks for your support.[/QUOTE]There are women on craigslist who advertise that way. I'm pretty sure you'd have to pay quite a fee for that but you could ask. The basic economics have evolved over the years here to be mostly about a short time experience, followed by another and another, etc etc. So long time of any sort can get expensive. You might hook up with a wing man here to help you get your bearings. Post in the Travel Announcements Only thread for that.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;1979958]I will be in BKK and Pattaya in Feb. To be the most efficient in BKK, I would like to engage a tour guide to show me around for a few hours. Several days perhaps, Can anyone recommend a tour guide. This person could also provide sensual services as well, but I don't want to pay an hourly rate for an Escort or FL when I am standing in line looking at a Temple or Palace.

Thanks for your support.[/QUOTE]It's hard to recommend since most of us do not need a tour guide. Most Hotels sell tourist tours. They provide a guide. Palace has guides on site.

Some tourist tours are rather bullshit though IMO, e.g. Floating market and Rose Garden, Bridge on the river Kwai, etc. being efficient is more about doing enough research beforehand to know what things are really worth doing. Not about having a guide with a different agenda to lead you up the garden path. Most tours are padded and take too much time however. Maybe a private guide can work if you are clear what things you want to do and that you have little time to do them.

For mongering purposes you need a buddy who knows a wide variety of places, or research the forum, and use Google maps to find where all the target venues are located. I don't see how a girl can help with mongering type exploring.

If me, I would separate tourist things with booking girls for sex.

I don't know if Pattaya has anything of interest for normal touristy tours. Ladyboy show? LOL

For Bangkok, key tourist attractions probably include Emerald Buddha Temple (Palace), Wat Arun Temple of Dawn, Siam Niramit cultural show, Jim Thompson's house, Crocodile farm and ancient model city (Meuang Booran), maybe the Wat Traimit (solid gold Buddha). Several of these have guides on site.

My favorite girl look is the French girl with cute upturned nose. See pic.

Thai girls seek to make the bridge of the nose higher, reason unknown (but to look more western). Also to lessen width of very broad noses or shrink a bulbous tip. Some pics of nose jobs are included. I agree with a nose fix, where the girl, really has some problem that really needs fixing.

I wonder what percentage of nose jobs are really an improvement? O.K. The Farang? girl in nose2 pic fixed her hook nose, the remaining girls merely changed from looking natural to looking strange or unnatural. Not an improvement for me. A couple look like aliens or ladyboys (e.g. girl 7).

Does everyone disagree with me, and I am the weird one? Are changed noses invisible to everyone else? I do see that most guys just accept the nose enhancements and don't see the big impact on the looks.

Please try to disregard the big eye effects in the photoshopping, also not making girls any prettier for me.

In most pairs of pics, I prefer the natural look in the first pic of the pair, in preference to the altered artificial looks.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1979936]No problem at all. Even if 75% of the girls would suddenly decide to spend that evening with their boyfriends, there would still be enough talent available to keep you stressed for choice and exhausted.[/QUOTE]Wolvenvacht,

Thanks for your valuable insight! Appreciate it! Kind regards.

I really can't tell if a girl had nose surgery. I guess I don't pay enough attention to their noses. Their overall face is important to me. Syzygies' pics prove an important point. The girls wasted their money. Of all the pics only the two girls in nose2 improved their looks. The Asian girl in nose2 went from plain looking to hot IMHO. She made a good investment. What this proves to me is that girls should not get this surgery unless they have a truly awful looking nose.

[QUOTE=Allover;1980138]I really can't tell if a girl had nose surgery. I guess I don't pay enough attention to their noses. Their overall face is important to me. Syzygies' pics prove an important point. The girls wasted their money. Of all the pics only the two girls in nose2 improved their looks. The Asian girl in nose2 went from plain looking to hot IMHO. She made a good investment. What this proves to me is that girls should not get this surgery unless they have a truly awful looking nose.[/QUOTE]Obviously those pics were not of the very worst nose jobs around, perhaps they were supposed to be good jobs, so some may not be so obvious to everyone.

An article on botched cosmetic surgeries:
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31433890[/url]


Now examples of a really bad nose jobs. I have seen plenty similar in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980088]It's hard to recommend since most of us do not need a tour guide. Most Hotels sell tourist tours. They provide a guide. Palace has guides on site.

Some tourist tours are rather bullshit though IMO, e.g. Floating market and Rose Garden, Bridge on the river Kwai, etc. being efficient is more about doing enough research beforehand to know what things are really worth doing. Not about having a guide with a different agenda to lead you up the garden path. Most tours are padded and take too much time however. Maybe a private guide can work if you are clear what things you want to do and that you have little time to do them.

For mongering purposes you need a buddy who knows a wide variety of places, or research the forum, and use Google maps to find where all the target venues are located. I don't see how a girl can help with mongering type exploring.

If me, I would separate tourist things with booking girls for sex.

I don't know if Pattaya has anything of interest for normal touristy tours. Ladyboy show? LOL

For Bangkok, key tourist attractions probably include Emerald Buddha Temple (Palace), Wat Arun Temple of Dawn, Siam Niramit cultural show, Jim Thompson's house, Crocodile farm and ancient model city (Meuang Booran), maybe the Wat Traimit (solid gold Buddha). Several of these have guides on site.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, good advise- I am just trying to make the most of my time in BKK, and not be on a tour bus.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980101]I wonder what percentage of nose jobs are really an improvement?[/QUOTE]Completely subjective, so you will get an different view from everyone. I have done plenty of girls with nose and tit jobs, some of which I would subjectively say was worth the money, others not. One girl I took from CH did it the wrong way around IMO. She had a nose job but left herself with small soft mommy tits, which would have been nicely enhanced if she would have had a modest tit job. All of this I put aside as I don't have an anti-surgery hangup to get in the way of a fuck, but what I found quite annoying was that her nose job had altered the passage of air, so when she was sucking me or taking my fuck, she had a wheezing sound from her nose. Not quite a whistling. Not quite a honking. More like a "nose pant". Annoying. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980101]Bad noses can be improved, reasonable noses can be made worse.[/QUOTE]Normally I hate it when a girl has a nose job. However, it depends on the doctor. My ex girlfriend and her friends all had decent noses already, but they wanted nose jobs to make them perfect. Supposedly this doctor was good and they were all excited to get it done. I was quite angry about it since I have seen so many disasters all over Asia. But I have to admit that after they had it done, they all looked a bit better. Nobody even knows my ex girlfriend got a nose job now because it looks so natural. I still don't think it was worth the gamble, but it did turn out well. When I see a girl with a messed up nose job, I won't even consider taking her from a go-go. It's a big turn off for me.

I did really well my first trip using the Bangkok Top 10 guide from eyewitness publications, nytimes travel section and general internet research. Then for mongering just spending a lot of time reading this forum. Like anything on the internet there is a lot to wade through. And a superstar restaurant today is tomorrow's disaster. In reality only that top eschelon of restaurants ever keep their standard after getting attention and being successful. There isn't anything p4 p wise in Bangkok which is at the level except maybe something like Lord and that's only for looks or tulip or snow white for service. The combination of those 2 just doesn't exist.

Other good sources are reading through Stick's archives, found some good information there as well. And on food migrationology.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;1979958]I will be in BKK and Pattaya in Feb. To be the most efficient in BKK, I would like to engage a tour guide to show me around for a few hours. Several days perhaps, Can anyone recommend a tour guide. This person could also provide sensual services as well, but I don't want to pay an hourly rate for an Escort or FL when I am standing in line looking at a Temple or Palace.

Thanks for your support.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980101]Does everyone disagree with me, and I am the weird one? Are changed noses invisible to everyone else? I do see that most guys just accept the nose enhancements and don't see the big impact on the looks.[/QUOTE]Ok, you asked me in another thread if I encountered many nose jobs among the girls on a dating site. I would say I have not chosen any girls on a dating site with a nose that looks like some of those "after" pictures you posted here. In fact, I'm not sure I have ever chosen a girl in a go-go bar, beer bar, BJ bar or off the street with a nose like some of those pics. By that, I mean the obvious (to me) nose jobs that distort a girl's looks without improving them.

However, I might have been with some girls who had nose jobs but they were so good I didn't notice anything weird. I suspect that is a common feeling here about girls with nose jobs; if there is something weird about the girl's face, whether a nose job had anything to do with it or not, we probably wouldn't choose her based on her looks but perhaps choose her for some other reason like personality or attitude.

I suspect some of us are skittish about telling you so-and-so did or didn't have a nose job when the subject comes up because you are so sensitive to the issue and studied on it in the teeniest, tiniest detail. We are afraid to say some girl didn't have a nose job for fear you will produce a pic of her a week later and say, "Oh no! You are wrong!! See that little flare right there on the inner right side edge of her left nostril? That's a dead giveaway! Horrible!!" LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1980467]I suspect some of us are skittish about telling you so-and-so did or didn't have a nose job when the subject comes up because you are so sensitive to the issue and studied on it in the teeniest, tiniest detail. We are afraid to say some girl didn't have a nose job for fear you will produce a pic of her a week later and say, "Oh no! You are wrong!! See that little flare right there on the inner right side edge of her left nostril? That's a dead giveaway! Horrible!!" LOL.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, you crack me up. However partially valid point. It can be ridiculous to claim a girl has a natural nose if the nose job is really obvious. I was mystified when BKK Dog said Jail Birdz had no surgeries girls. He must have meant he did not see any tit jobs in the Jacuzzi section. However there are certainly quite a few nose jobs in the bar and some silicone tits as well. We all know that every big bar with a lot of girls has surgeries girls. Tiny bars, maybe not.

However it is okay to specify a girl is all natural if nothing is detectable. I don't actually ask girls about there noses normally. I make up my own mind, or simply do not select the bad nose girls, whether fake or natural.

I gather you won't be choosing bad nose job girls either, but may not be too concerned about exactly what is wrong with the girl's look.

Noses is known as my favorite tail of woe. 20 years ago I was a Soapy MP customer big time. I came to know very well what real Thai noses looked like. These days, 90% of girls in the up market Soapies have nose jobs. It has dampened my attendance at Soapies very dramatically. Tit jobs are also very prevalent. Thai and Asian customers like that stuff (not all).

In CH I had a regular girl No. 91 with a very good nose job. If someone said she had a natural nose, including her initially, I would not be too upset at all. So I am not against nose jobs, is just that 80 to 90% of them are bad nose jobs, that do not look good. I am very much against nose jobs for girls with a previously very cute nose, where the nose job just made them look silly.

I prefer bars with a significant number of all natural girls. So Baccara and RB5 do not work well for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980497]
I prefer bars with a significant number of all natural girls.[/QUOTE]I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980645]I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.[/QUOTE]In the old days, you could get a girl with no tats, no piercings, no nose job, and no silicones. In the modern day, good luck, it is very difficult.

First I got used to tats, because almost all the girls have them. 2nd I got used to piercings if only minor, good nose jobs, and lastly even take silicones if a good job, not too ballooning and not too hard (subtle jobs). Silicone tits I possibly take even less frequently than a nose job. E. g. I took Crazy House girl with a nicely done enhanced nose but never took a tit enhanced girl. I just wasn't necessary. Nose enhancements are more common.

For me silicone tits or sag bags are both quite boring and have a negative assessment on the girl's rating. Face piercings are also a negative point for me. If a nose job is good, no negative weighting. If it is really bad, then girl is ruled out. Minor tats have no negative weighting, but please not on face, or tits. Prefer tats normally hidden by clothing.

The one thing that has improved in the modern day is less young girls are taking up smoking. It must have finally became unfashionable and unnecessary. Smoking is another really boring thing for me, however obviously had plenty of favorite girls over time who did smoke.

It is still possible to find stunning girls without any of these negative aspects, other than the tattoos. The chances that they are also a pornstar a not that great. Fun loving and GFE will do okay For me.

Most of my favorite performers on the bed are likely to have several defects. Always making compromises. However silicones and nose jobs are not the most likely compromises.

I like to have a variety. Some girls have big naturals, some have almost no tits. Different girls have different strong points and weak points. Not one girl is absolute perfection in every category. I keep thinking I would like to add a really pretty girl or too in the cuddly non-skinny figure group, but yet to find them, at the moment. Voluptuous body usually brings a fat face too. However I certainly do and will take girls a bit thick if very pretty. Had one favorite girl from Croatia like that with face better than Pamela Anderson, thighs just a bit thick.

Once the thighs are so fat, that they bang together with no gap, the sexiness of the gap is lost. I also like curvy, so if waist is more than 75% of the around the thighs measurement, then its probably a no go for me. 60% to 70% is the normal range. So inter thigh gap and waist to thigh ratios could easily be my favorite topic. I am really observant of all aspects of a girl, which is why I like to see them on an elevated stage nude and in good lighting, for the automatic evaluation process. Naturally girls with severe baby damage are not normally dancing nude, so serious damage gets ruled out quickly. It's too embarrassing to have to ask a freelancer with clothes on, how bad is her belly scarring and how saggy are her tits. Its a lot easier just to see it up front. I often rule out girls with no shape, lacking curves, regardless of whether they have bolt-ONS, but don't make a big issue about it in my reports, because bars have always had girls with poor shape, as does any venue. It has been particularly the nose jobs that have become so common and really dominate some Soapies, and some bars.

I never go for a really broad face. Narrow face, small noses, big mouth, and big eyes, works for me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1980645]I prefer girls to not have a nose job, however, I don't mind if they have a boob job.[/QUOTE]In the old days, you could get a girl with no tats, no piercings, no nose job, and no silicones. In the modern day, good luck, it is very difficult.

First I got used to tats, because almost all the girls have them. 2nd I got used to piercings if only minor, good nose jobs, and lastly even take silicones if a good job, not too ballooning and not too hard (subtle jobs). Silicone tits I possibly take even less frequently than a nose job. E. g. I took Crazy House girl with a nicely done enhanced nose but never took a tit enhanced girl. I just wasn't necessary. Nose enhancements are more common.

For me silicone tits or sag bags are both quite boring and have a negative assessment on the girl's rating. Face piercings are also a negative point for me. If a nose job is good, no negative weighting. If it is really bad, then girl is ruled out. Minor tats have no negative weighting, but please not on face, or tits. Prefer tats normally hidden by clothing.

The one thing that has improved in the modern day is less young girls are taking up smoking. It must have finally became unfashionable and unnecessary. Smoking is another really boring thing for me, however obviously had plenty of favorite girls over time who did smoke.

It is still possible to find stunning girls without any of these negative aspects, other than the tattoos. The chances that they are also a pornstar a not that great. Fun loving and GFE will do okay For me.

Most of my favorite performers on the bed are likely to have several defects. Always making compromises. However silicones and nose jobs are not the most likely compromises.

I like to have a variety. Some girls have big naturals, some have almost no tits. Different girls have different strong points and weak points. Not one girl is absolute perfection in every category. I keep thinking I would like to add a really pretty girl or too in the cuddly non-skinny figure group, but yet to find them, at the moment. Voluptuous body usually brings a fat face too. However I certainly do and will take girls a bit thick if very pretty. Had one favorite girl from Croatia like that with face better than Pamela Anderson, thighs just a bit thick.

Once the thighs are so fat, that they bang together with no gap, the sexiness of the gap is lost. I also like curvy, so if waist is more than 75% of the around the thighs measurement, then its probably a no go for me. 60% to 70% is the normal range. So inter thigh gap and waist to thigh ratios could easily be my favorite topic. I am really observant of all aspects of a girl, which is why I like to see them on an elevated stage nude and in good lighting, for the automatic evaluation process. Naturally girls with severe baby damage are not normally dancing nude, so serious damage gets ruled out quickly. It's too embarrassing to have to ask a freelancer with clothes on, how bad is her belly scarring and how saggy are her tits. Its a lot easier just to see it up front. I often rule out girls with no shape, lacking curves, regardless of whether they have bolt-ONS, but don't make a big issue about it in my reports, because bars have always had girls with poor shape, as does any venue. It has been particularly the nose jobs that have become so common and really dominate some Soapies, and some bars.

I never go for a really broad face. Narrow face, small noses, big mouth, and big eyes, works for me.

Sorry did not notice I posted twice accidentally.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1980101]I wonder what percentage of nose jobs are really an improvement?

Does everyone disagree with me, and I am the weird one? Are changed noses invisible to everyone else? I do see that most guys just accept the nose enhancements and don't see the big impact on the looks.
[/QUOTE]

As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Personally, I like the natural, cute Thai girl-next-door look, so even the decent nose jobs (very few of those) are almost never an improvement. I don't even like makeup all that much, unless very subtle. On the other hand, many guys prefer the made-up-to-the-tees glamorous out-to-kill looks, and that group might find more nosejobs appealing.

Among Thai girls, especially lower-class, nose job is a major expense, so there's a tendency to go to cheaper doctors and also to exaggerate the effect (why do it if the change is barely visible! Maybe some Hi-sos have subtle nosejobs that improve their looks, but among middle / lower classes and bargirls, I'd say very, very few do.

Of the Thai girl nosejobs I've seen so far, 50% are outright disastrous, 30% are a waste of money but can be tolerated, and the other 20% don't do much for me, but I can see how somebody could regard them as an improvement.

Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.

The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.

I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.

There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.

Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1981264]Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.

The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.

I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.

There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.

Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.[/QUOTE]I think you mean money changers between Soi 3 and 5 in the Arab section. They do offer a better rate and do not have any visible security around. Let me just say that they do offer better rates for the USD without ID and logging in the serial numbers and the money changing area is very safe. My assumption is that the operation and area is controlled by some group of people that common thugs and thieves are dealt with rather harshly.

Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1981264]Just a few information items that have probably been reported below but perhaps worth repeating.

The train option from the airport worked very well for me. I recommend it and will use it in the future. It operates the same as the MRT. You can connect to the MRT at Petchuburi or the Sky Train at the last stop.

I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.

There are money changers on a side street between Soi 4 and 5 that offer rates slightly better than banks. The location is in the muslim area. All things considered given the global terrorism threat I did not feel unsafe in that area but it was in the middle of the afternoon.

Also considering the global muslim terror threat, I found that the security on the MRT and Sky train seemed shockingly lax, but not so at the Paragon shopping center.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RalphKramden;1981264]I tried to buy Kamagra at two pharmacies in the downtown Soi 4 area without success. It seems to have been forced out onto the street market by the made in Thai option, which I bought a package of four tablets for 300.
[/QUOTE]Some Pharmacies do not sell it, e. G. Boots, Watsons, etc. However both Kamagra and Sidegra should be available at the correct Pharmacy next to Bullys. I bought several sorts of medications there just a couple of weeks ago.

It would a very surprising development if we were going to suddenly required to get prescriptions, and generics were all cleaned out.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1981274]I think you mean money changers between Soi 3 and 5 in the Arab section. They do offer a better rate and do not have any visible security around. Let me just say that they do offer better rates for the USD without ID and logging in the serial numbers and the money changing area is very safe. My assumption is that the operation and area is controlled by some group of people that common thugs and thieves are dealt with rather harshly.[/QUOTE]Sorry I didn't pay that much attention to the actual address and thank you for your correction. A Thai operator of a nearby pharmacy recommended them which was good enough for me.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1981599]Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.[/QUOTE]I checked with two different pharmacies so incorrectly assumed Kamagra was not available in a pharmacy after the second operator told me it was available on the street. I will try the place near Bully's next time.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;1981599]Unless something changed in the last month the larger pharmacy along sukhumvit just past soi 4 next to bullys pub sells kamigra and gives discount for purchases of 10 packs of 4. It's been my go to for years without a problem in quality or availability.[/QUOTE]Also the small one sells it.

As well as the one oppsite the NEP entrance.

Worth to say they might be out of stock from time to time. That wild last a few days.

That happened to me in August.

What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1986065]What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?[/QUOTE]I think it's these. Some Indonesian guy recommended them. He said he bought them on the internet in Jakarta. I bought some on ebay in the US, but I haven't tried them yet. Not sure where they would have them in BKK.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1986065]What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?[/QUOTE]You could try the Japanese condoms made from polyurethane, I guess.

I usually buy Durex Comfort which are a less tight fit, have bulbous tip, for easier put on and more comfort, and have somewhat thinner latex. I don't say they are the best but generally available, and improve feeling for me. The danger is that due to "easy on", they are also easy off. If condom starts slipping too much due to lube, may have to change it. I always take my own condoms, as often dislike the ones girls might provide. I also have my own non sticky gel from overseas. There have been occasions when I had to check the condom was still on if feeling got a little "too good". Can be just an exceptionally nice pussy.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1986065]What is the thinnest condom on the market? And where can I buy in Bkk?[/QUOTE]The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.

If you are living here, you can use Lazada to order the real thinnest condoms you can get in BKK by home delivery. They have suppliers for Sagami 001, Okamoto 001 or the Aoni 001. None of these super-thin condoms are available in any retail shop.

Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.

The Aoni 001 condoms are made of latex and they have a Guinness Book claim to be the worlds thinnest. I have tried them and they are indeed thin with good heat transfer. They are about half the price of the Japanese The only downside was that they tend to roll back down during sex, which I experienced and has also been documented in customer reviews on Amazon. Stopped using them after that.

If you are looking for thin and reasonable price, I suggest to go with the Sagami Original 002 (red or black) available over the counter at Boots. Honestly I would like to say that there was a super-appreciable difference between the Sagami 002 and 001 products, but really there isn't.

FYI, I have never managed to get any silicone-based lube in BKK. Have to get it when abroad in Singapore. If you really want to enjoy more, suggest to get IDMillenium or Wet Platinum silicone lube and it will really take things to a new level. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1986159]
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. [/QUOTE]Can you explain, what is the big deal about "heat transfer"? You want your dick to be hotter? I don't quite get it. I love the feel of cool hands lightly on my balls, but that may be irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1986185]Can you explain, what is the big deal about "heat transfer"? You want your dick to be hotter? I don't quite get it. I love the feel of cool hands lightly on my balls, but that may be irrelevant.[/QUOTE]I guess it means it takes less time for you to feel the heat sensation (cold sentation) of something hotter (colder) around your cock. Theoretically it's a good thing as it gives you a feeling less remote from a non-condom situation, in which case heat transfer is virtually instataneous (same speed as nerve impulse speed).

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1986159]
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer.[/QUOTE]

Roll on very easily? Euh ..... That's the catch. I use them but I must say getting them on is always some kind of hassle.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1986159]The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.

If you are living here, you can use Lazada to order the real thinnest condoms you can get in BKK by home delivery. They have suppliers for Sagami 001, Okamoto 001 or the Aoni 001. None of these super-thin condoms are available in any retail shop.

Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.

The Aoni 001 condoms are made of latex and they have a Guinness Book claim to be the worlds thinnest. I have tried them and they are indeed thin with good heat transfer. They are about half the price of the Japanese The only downside was that they tend to roll back down during sex, which I experienced and has also been documented in customer reviews on Amazon. Stopped using them after that.

If you are looking for thin and reasonable price, I suggest to go with the Sagami Original 002 (red or black) available over the counter at Boots. Honestly I would like to say that there was a super-appreciable difference between the Sagami 002 and 001 products, but really there isn't.

FYI, I have never managed to get any silicone-based lube in BKK. Have to get it when abroad in Singapore. If you really want to enjoy more, suggest to get IDMillenium or Wet Platinum silicone lube and it will really take things to a new level. Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987069]Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.

RL.[/QUOTE]I really don't believe you man. You have internet, you have a computer, you have Google Maps. Switch on brain in head instead of in dick. LOL. You are sufficiently non dinosaur to make an ISG post.

I suppose I did not allow for those that cannot read Maps, like many Thai females.

I recall Times Square and Soi 23 for starters, but we don't know where you arrived to.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987069]Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.

RL.[/QUOTE]Most shopping malls have Boots. There is one inside the building at the corner of Soi 23 and Sukhumvit Road and really every few hundred meter all along Sukhumvit Road: they are the 7/11 of the chemists.

http://www.th.boots.com/

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1987101]I really don't believe you man. You have internet, you have a computer, you have Google Maps. Switch on brain in head instead of in dick. LOL. You are sufficiently non dinosaur to make an ISG post.

I suppose I did not allow for those that cannot read Maps, like many Thai females.

I recall Times Square and Soi 23 for starters, but we don't know where you arrived to.[/QUOTE]You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987516]You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.

RL.[/QUOTE]Better not to react RL.

Most of this replies give so many non-info or it is a judgments and demonstrations of their own (better) experience.

I guess they kick on the high number of posts.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987516]You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.

RL.[/QUOTE]Some of us do make an effort to give info, where it is difficult to obtain. Do tell us why you could not use Google at the time. I am intrigued. If you explained why you could not get info, people would be more than willing to put in some effort to help.

I would be far to embarrassed to ask where the Boots shops were. I am not that lazy.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987516]You don't need to make comments like that. If you can't say something positive like the rest of the members, don't comment. There is many reasons that I could not google at that time. Give us all a break with your negatives.[/QUOTE]Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.

By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.

Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.

This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1986159]The thinnest condom that you can buy over the counter in a retail shop is the Sagami Original 002. It is available in Boots for circa THB65 per condom. Very nice packaging and easy to roll on. Red-colored pack is the original smaller "Asian" size and the black-colored pack is the larger size.

....
Both the Sagami and Okamoto are polyurethane, roll on very easily and have superior heat transfer. They will be snug-to-tight fit if you have a wider (not longer) cock. Both products are very expensive at circa THB170 per condom, so you may want to try them before you invest in boxes. I have tried both and there is no perceptible difference. I personally use Sagami 001 as it has superior packaging, zero odor, best heat transfer and thin lubrication which goes well with my silicone lube.

.[/QUOTE]The trouble with the polyurethane condoms is that they chafe the head of my penis after a session that lasts anything longer than a minute or two. Tried several sizes but they all do it. For that reason reluctantly went back to rubber as the point about sensation and heat transfer is certainly true.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1987819]Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.

By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.

Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.

This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.[/QUOTE]His only goal in life probably is to hit the 10,000 mark of all posts with little or no use! I to also skip right over his thread oops sorry posts!

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1987819]Maybe Syzygies should have his own thread assigned to him, as he completely dominates the Thailand one.

By my reckoning he must spend around 2 hours or more every day composing posts for ISG.

Personally, I don't find his posts very useful any more as they are full of his opinions expressed over and over again and I can't be bothered reading them any more.

This is my own opinion. Others will, of course, have their own opinions.[/QUOTE]Well said. I have not put him on ignore but I do tend to ignore. I see that you too have read enough of his posts that you can close your own as if he wrote it. My suggestion for Syzygies would be to spend some time on the PI forum (a widely known term) to see how real reporting is done. I've decided to break away from Thailand in a couple of months for a PI adventure and this is based largely on the good helpful intel posted on that forum regularly by you and your fellow members. I'm not posting here much as I'm not mongering much. I usually prefer to post reports of experience rather than my opinion.

What are the best sites to find talent online?

/ Kirsia.

You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1987069]Where is Boots. I don't live here but I just arrived and need to know. Thanks.

RL.[/QUOTE]To RL.

Boots are everywhere in BKK at all the large Malls if you just arrived they have it in the both Bangkok airport also.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=XXL;1986216]I guess it means it takes less time for you to feel the heat sensation (cold sentation) of something hotter (colder) around your cock. Theoretically it's a good thing as it gives you a feeling less remote from a non-condom situation, in which case heat transfer is virtually instataneous (same speed as nerve impulse speed).

Roll on very easily? Euh ..... That's the catch. I use them but I must say getting them on is always some kind of hassle.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I find Sagami to be a great condom but a big hassle to put on. By the time that process is completed I'm sometimes not ready to go as I've lost the erection. I've tried both the 01 and 02's and don't notice much difference in size. Any thoughts on something just the same as Sagami but a bit larger? I have yet to find that.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1988116]You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.[/QUOTE]My post was meant to be funny it did not come out like that, I've learned some good tidbits from him in past.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1987830]I usually prefer to post reports of experience rather than my opinion.[/QUOTE]Agreed that actual intel is useful, where as continual opining grates. IME when a message board member averages a bunch of post per day [B]every day[/B] for years on end it tends to be 90% [B]blah blah blah[/B].

SL.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1988116]You guys should be careful what you wish for. Syzygies is a significant valuable asset to the BKK forum. Sure, not all of his posts knock it out of the ball park, whose do? But when he is on point there are few better informed and more giving than him. This thread would surely feel the loss if he suddenly decided to clam up. That's my two baht anyway.[/QUOTE]Agree 1000%. I have learned much from Mr. S. and others who have a very large number of posts. Let's all be nicer to each other and move on. It is easy to skim past posts or posters that do not interest you. I suggest we all do that as needed.

[QUOTE=Allover;1989865]Agree 1000%. I have learned much from Mr. S. and others who have a very large number of posts. Let's all be nicer to each other and move on. It is easy to skim past posts or posters that do not interest you. I suggest we all do that as needed.[/QUOTE]Really I'm not trying to chase him away. Better to encourage than to criticize so I'll be more careful with my phrasing in the future. But not to worry, he is over in the Bangkok thread again judging someone's post as "silly". I think the frequent judgement bothers me more than the blah blah blah, "my spec". And believe me I DO skim past.

Imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews on gogo bars, massage parlors, bars, etc. We do not need weekly discussions on condoms and penis enhancing drugs. Sure that information was useful the FIRST TIME it was ever posted but it does not need to be posted on a monthly basis. The responsibility lies on the individual seeking info to use the search function and RTFF.

I personally think Syzygies is an invaluable source of information for Thailand and Germany information. We have very different taste in girls and definitely do not always share the same opinions but to call him out is asinine.

Now if I can only get him down to Pattaya to see what real gogo bar fun is!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1990048]Imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews on gogo bars, massage parlors, bars, etc. [/QUOTE]Interesting. See, imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews of P4 P girls who are known to be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS with their customers or reviews of girls who refuse either of those services. Girls who are not up for either of those services are of no use to me in a P4 P environment. Therefore, posts or reports that do not include whether or not the girl is up for one or the other are mostly a waste of bandwidth here as far as I'm concerned.

Reading about someone else's personal face and body specs is of no use to me at all. Reading about which girls in which locations fit those specs is of no use to me at all. I've got eyes and my vision is still pretty good. I can determine which girls are attractive to me, which are not and approach the ones who are without checking badge numbers and knowing names in advance.

I wish every report and post simply told me the locations, names and badge numbers of the girls who will or won't be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS so I won't waste nearly as much time and money on the hunt trying to weed out those who will provide neither. But how to get everyone here to comply with my personal wishes? It never occurred to me to just berate posters for moving into and exploring topics that do not specifically address my personal wishes in hopes that they will get back to the topics I want.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1990176]Interesting. See, imo the ONLY useful posts are actual reviews of P4 P girls who are known to be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS with their customers or reviews of girls who refuse either of those services. Girls who are not up for either of those services are of no use to me in a P4 P environment. Therefore, posts or reports that do not include whether or not the girl is up for one or the other are mostly a waste of bandwidth here as far as I'm concerned.

Reading about someone else's personal face and body specs is of no use to me at all. Reading about which girls in which locations fit those specs is of no use to me at all. I've got eyes and my vision is still pretty good. I can determine which girls are attractive to me, which are not and approach the ones who are without checking badge numbers and knowing names in advance.

I wish every report and post simply told me the locations, names and badge numbers of the girls who will or won't be up for BBBJ+CIM (preferably + swallow) and BBFS so I won't waste nearly as much time and money on the hunt trying to weed out those who will provide neither. But how to get everyone here to comply with my personal wishes? It never occurred to me to just berate posters for moving into and exploring topics that do not specifically address my personal wishes in hopes that they will get back to the topics I want.[/QUOTE]People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1990198]People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.[/QUOTE]Sure, reading whether the girl in question was "early 20's, tall and slender" or "mid 30's, short with a pretty face and large breasts", that kind of thing, would likely come up in the course of each such report anyway, I think. But learning time and time again which kind of nose, boobs and hairstyle appeals to someone provides limited usefulness (to me) in actual practice.

If I read a particular group of girls in a venue seem to be competing against each other for the all-time Greatest BBBJ+CIM+Swallow Championship Award, I doubt I would decide against visiting the place because I'd read nothing about good or bad nose jobs, boob jobs and hairstyle specs from this particular reporter and could not rely on the specs for those details to make it worth the bts fare.

By the same token, if the reporter waxes on and on about the superior natural beauty his lady's must possess, of this one's nose and the balerina perfection of that one's calves but cannot say whether they're up for BBFS or if the girls know what finishing a BJ like a BJ and not a HJ means because he didn't ask, being so stunned to find himself alone in the room with such physical awesomeness as he was, I probably wouldn't even bother making note of what soi those venues were located on. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1990198]People's specs are important to me. If they are far away from mine; I won't bother wasting my time at the venue. Performance is important as well of course.[/QUOTE]Absolutely spot on. It is useless for a guy to say a girl was fanastic, if we don't know what he looks for. If I think a girl is great, then Goatscrot and others can ignore, because they know all I wanted was a natural girl, not fat, good body, minor flaws accepted, face above average, no large noses, and an enthusiastic GFE, slow-mo BBBJ, and will pay more for a stunner. I never care about 2 shots, CIM, anal, rimming, massage, "the venue", etc. The reader needs to know that. It maybe boring but I always add the warnings. Likewise I need other guys to report if the Escort was natural or had surgeries, as an example. Some guys seem to refuse to divulge that the girl had fake tits, and others specify it, no problems.

Thinking about going to South Korea to monger. Is it worth the trip?

What has happened with Giotto and his lodge?

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;1996683]What has happened with Giotto and his lodge?[/QUOTE]His lodge is long gone, but have met the old buzzard on occasion.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;1996501]Thinking about going to South Korea to monger. Is it worth the trip?[/QUOTE]Why don't you ask on the South Korea forum?

Expensive that is why Koreans come here for holiday and spend what they do.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1997138]Expensive that is why Koreans come here for holiday and spend what they do.[/QUOTE]People on that forum are bound to be biased. I guess he seeks a comparison by guys who like Thailand. Seems fair enough to me, considering this is the general thread.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1997052]well . . . I had a similar incident many years ago. I threw out a "non-performing" (at least for me) out of my room with "taxi money", because I was not willing to pay for bad service. She didn't came back with her pimp or someone similar, but with the police. So I had to deal with a furious girl and some police officer in the middle of the night right in the hotel lobby. In the end we were forced to compromise by the officer, but if things had turned out bad I could have ended up in a cell at some police station at Sukhumvit area. Much later I realised that was kind of lucky that night.

Never again I will let something like this happen to me.[/QUOTE]You never want to get into seriously ugly altercations with Thai people. You don't know who their friends are and how badly they want revenge. Example. A Thai person I know was bickering with a Thai woman who was her neighbour. Don't know what they argued about. Turns out the woman was minor wife / GF of big policeman in Lumpini. So the woman arranged to have the Lumpini police come (even wrong district) and plant a sizeable quantity of Ice. Someone ended up doing a prison stretch for these planted drugs, since quantity was deemed sufficient to be a dealer. Could have been a million Baht bribe needed to get out of that one. Police are corrupt but courts seem to believe them. Consider the Burmese guys at Koh Tao sentenced to death, for something where evidence was changed and manipulated by the police. Very likely they were set up for it.

I never take girls back to my apartment. I use ST Hotels to be safer, especially with freelancers, or any girl not very well known by myself.

I saw a Farang exiting the Thermae arguing with a Thai girl, and being unwilling to let the issue drop. He subsequently got beaten up by a pack of Thai boys.

Always try not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Above all don't be a big asshole. Shit happens.

I know alcohol sales are banned for the day, so I'm guessing any bar / club will be shut down. What about the MP's? I have also read that since it fell on a weekend, the holiday will be observed on Monday as well. I'm guessing all bars / clubs shut down then as well? Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1997250]People on that forum are bound to be biased. I guess he seeks a comparison by guys who like Thailand. Seems fair enough to me, considering this is the general thread.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Korea before I ever step foot regularly to Thailand in the 70's and early 80's, the last time was in 1986, in Hong Kong for my regular holiday and took a short trip because told by locals in H. K. It will not be the same after the Olympics and sure enough everything I've heard since points to it being true mainly the prices. If price isn't a concern I say why not. Although overall my experience with Korean women was good especially the service I think today it is nothing like then? Then, I use to pay something like $40.00 USD, for all day all night, change girl each day, and pick the new one by just picking up the phone and 4-5 girls would be at my door to check out to pick. Those days your talk about service, they help you undress, wash you and fold your clothes, even had one try to wipe my butt after I took a dump, that was too much service. Those days it seem no one heard or use a condom.

From another website. Thought this might interest those of you that spend a lot of time or live in Bangkok.

[URL]http://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/13-girls-youll-date-bangkok/[/URL]

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1997387]I used to go to Korea before I ever step foot regularly to Thailand in the 70's and early 80's, the last time was in 1986 <snip> overall my experience with Korean women was good especially the service I think today it is nothing like then? Then, I use to pay something like $40.00 USD, for all day all night, change girl each day, and pick the new one by just picking up the phone and 4-5 girls would be at my door to check out to pick. Those days your talk about service, they help you undress, wash you and fold your clothes, even had one try to wipe my butt after I took a dump, that was too much service. Those days it seem no one heard or use a condom.[/QUOTE]Stop! You are killing me. 555.

[QUOTE=Allover;1999305]From another website. Thought this might interest those of you that spend a lot of time or live in Bangkok.

[URL]http://coconuts.co/bangkok/features/13-girls-youll-date-bangkok/[/URL][/QUOTE]Since this is written by girls, I think we might actually learn more by what they think on the topic of 14 Guys you (the girls) will date in Bangkok.

How many of us want to really date girls. If we are honest most of us only want to fuck them.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1999721]Since this is written by girls, I think we might actually learn more by what they think on the topic of 14 Guys you (the girls) will date in Bangkok.

How many of us want to really date girls. If we are honest most of us only want to fuck them.[/QUOTE]IMHO, you cannot take what girls say at face value. It is sometimes hard to fathom the situation if you listen to their dribble and try to understand them. When you want to get to the last act, you have to at least appear interested in their feelings, idea, and welfare. And appear to be intently interested in what they are saying. As Benicio del Toro said in the Heineken ad, I have been working on that look for 15 years.

Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.

For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.

I have a question about Route 4 and was hoping someone has already taken it. Question 1 is does it go in both directions to / from Bali Hai to the Naklua Lan Pho market? It looks like it starts at Bali Hai Pier (ie. Mixx disco), goes along 3rd Road, then cuts down to Pattaya-Naklua Road. Am I correct? Are they readily available at Bali Hai Pier at 3 am as I am leaving Walking Street?

If anyone has a better map of the new routes please post.

[QUOTE=Shemp;1999937]Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.

For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.[/QUOTE]Did you check that you arrive at ICN and transfer and depart ICN? The airport ain't that big. You have plenty of time if you just transfer. Make sure to check your bag through to your final destination and that you get your boarding passes. Just watch out for no frills airlines or switching airlines, that might present a problem. Check with your airline.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2000060]Did you check that you arrive at ICN and transfer and depart ICN? The airport ain't that big. You have plenty of time if you just transfer. Make sure to check your bag through to your final destination and that you get your boarding passes. Just watch out for no frills airlines or switching airlines, that might present a problem. Check with your airline.[/QUOTE]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000132]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?[/QUOTE]Yeah, you'll be ok. When you arrive follow the signs to Transit. At some point you'll see a reader board where you'll look for your next flight number and what gate to go to. You will end up going through another security point with your carry-ONS. Then you'll go find your gate as you wander through something like a shopping mall. One hour is good, they should just about be boarding your onward flight if all is on schedule.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000132]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?[/QUOTE]If both segments on Asiana Airlines, it should be real easy. You might even be able to swing by the lounge if you have access.

Flying 101. Check with your carrier. Don't rely on what people tell you here. Ask the right people who have all your particulars. Asiana is a full service airline.

Just make sure the pilot is not using GPS to land! LOL.

As crazy said. Look for the Transit sign or ask the staff waiting outside when you arrive. If you really want to plan. Check the arrival times for the past several flights from SFO and the Thai departure times. You should be able to find the gate numbers too. SFO might arrive early.

[QUOTE=Shemp;1999937]Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.

For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.[/QUOTE]Hi Shemp. I don't know your carrier, but before Thai Air discontinued its North American flights, a stop at Seoul was a part of the last routing. It was billed as a "technical stop". You land, get off the plane, go through security (yes, on arrival--same as at Narita), go upstairs and immediately go to your gate for boarding. You never encounter security and technically never enter ROK.

For Thai Air, you would re-board the same aircraft (cleaned and refueled during the hour). (You cannot leave anything on board the aircraft.) I suspect your airline is doing something similar. I wouldn't worry about the time on the ground, but you definitely don't have time for a meal or a nap. Hope this is helpful / reassuring. TTG.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2000250]Yeah, you'll be ok.(snip) [b]if all is on schedule[/b].[/QUOTE]That's the operative clause here.

Have some delay when departing SFO, get some headwind along the route, arrive out of your slot at destination and wait for a gap in the landing sequences to fit in and you are cutting it really close.

By running you may still make it to your gate in time, but what about your luggage?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2000382]That's the operative clause here.

Have some delay when departing SFO, get some headwind along the route, arrive out of your slot at destination and wait for a gap in the landing sequences to fit in and you are cutting it really close.

By running you may still make it to your gate in time, but what about your luggage?[/QUOTE]You may well be right; I certainly would not argue the point. I was under the impression that if his connecting flight on to BKK left without him it is likely that they also left without 20 or more other passengers who were on his original flight and also bound for BKK. And for that reason the "delay" is now transferred to the onward flight as it waits for everyone and hopefully their luggage to get there. I'm sometimes naively optimistic though.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000132]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?[/QUOTE]The one thing I can add to what has already been said is the transfer security checkpoints at Incheon can be a royal pain in the ass. I have gone through them for Asiana flights a number of times and although I don't recall whether the lines were long, the scrutiny they apply to carry-on baggage can be more substantial than TSA or other Asian checkpoints I have gone through. In a number of instances they made me take everything out of my carry on luggage and ran everything through the scanner, adding precious minutes to the time I had to spend at the checkpoint. Note, however, I tend to travel with a lot of electronics, such as cameras, lenses, tablets, laptops, and accessories and it takes me awhile to both remove everything and then re-pack it. So my advice is in order to maximize the chance you will make your connection, try to travel light with regard to carry-on items and also get to the security checkpoint as quickly as possible after your plane arrives so any delays at the security checkpoint won't make you miss your connecting flight.

Good luck!

Airlines aren't going to sell you a ticket with a connection if there isn't enough time to make the connection. Sure it might seem tight but like another said they pretty much got it down. From my experience whenever a flight connection is really tight as you are deplaning usually there are customer service agents with signs looking for those passengers with short connections. They are there if needed to guide you through security ASAP so you can make the connection instead of waiting in line unnecessary. If there isn't someone and you are concern you can air out your concerns at the transfer desk and they usually if someone is missed call down the gate to hold. In general they sell you a ticket and leave you behind in a connection there are penalties against the airline plus they for example must put you on another flight, Airline, hotel, meals etc.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000132]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?[/QUOTE]Are you sure you are on Asiana and not Korean Air?

[QUOTE=Wimble;2000585]Are you sure you are on Asiana and not Korean Air?[/QUOTE]100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000747]100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.[/QUOTE]I've done that exact trip many times, and Asiana is one of the finest airlines in the business. The crew is fantastic, the planes are spotless, the food is great, and you're going to love your trip. Having said that, however, they have no control over weather conditions, and planes sometimes run late due to many factors. SFO is known for delays due to fog this time of year, and the weather in Seoul is equally unpredictable. I'd be very leery of a 1 hour layover.

So I always book my trip with a few hours of layover. It gives me a chance to enjoy the many amenities at ICN, including showers, so my next leg to BKK is very enjoyable. And there is a hotel in the airport that can be rented in 6 hour blocks, rather than a full day. I always rent a room, take a nice nap and a shower, have a nice meal at the airport, and I'm totally refreshed and ready for the rest of my journey.

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[QUOTE=Shemp;1999937]Is a 1 hour connection between a flight from USA arriving at airport in Seoul, connecting to flight leaving.

For BKK 1 hour later. Was wondering if I would have to exit / change terminals, go thru security etc. Before getting to 2nd flight.[/QUOTE]I think that 1 hour connection is marginal, at best. About a month ago I flew from Washington, DC, and strong head winds caused my flight time to be more than an hour longer than projected. My scheduled layover was 2. 5 hours and I made it to my 2nd flight only about 15 minutes before boarding time. A 1-hour layover simply wouldn't have worked for me. Both my flights were on Korean Air.

As other's have pointed out, you need to look for the "Transfer" signs. That is a security checkpoint (show passport, empty pockets, computer out of bag, etc.). Once you get through the transfer checkpoint, you shouldn't have any other delays to your second flight.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000132]Yeah, both flights are at ICN on Asiana Airlines. 1st flight arrives from SFO at 5:25 pm, the next flight leaves at 6:30 pm for BKK. You think I'll be ok then?[/QUOTE]Your option would be to book yourself on a later flight leaving Incheon which is exactly what Asiana will do if you miss the connection. So if you want to get there in the quickest possible time book the tight connection as if you miss it due to unforeseen circumstances Asiana will be obliged to correct it.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000747]100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.[/QUOTE]OK. Google is your friend. Asiana will take care of you because you are routed through them and not a code share. Draw back is that it is an award ticket so you are at the bottom of list, I assume, regardless of your status. $$ talks.

Today's flight is an example of probably the worst case. 5 hour delay out of SFO. Means you will miss the BKK flight and the several others after that. The flight was late 55 min last week. But you can get on OZ's later flight or get put on another carrier that evening. With today's flight, you miss everything. If I were you, I would opt for taking the flight to BKK the next day. Borrow the phone at customer service to reschedule your hotel in BKK. Check into a hotel in ICN and hit the special places in Seoul the evening you arrive. There is a free city tour out of the airport during the day. If you haven't done that already, you can do that the next day.

Again, they might or might not pay for your hotel. With UA, most likely not. With full service Asian airlines, most likely yes. Even if you pay, you might get airline corporate rates; really cheap at 5 star hotels.

IMHO, don't over think this. Pack an extra underwear and condoms in your carry on and enjoy the trip. Sign up for flight alerts for changes to your flights. There is plenty of action in Seoul.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2001146] There is plenty of action in Seoul.[/QUOTE]Just be sure to have plenty of money too as Seoul is quite expensive or "pisa" as the Koreans say. If you miss a connecting international flight, the airline will put you on another flight but most of the times they will hold the departing plane for a while to wait for other connecting flights. Either way it will work out.

If the flight is delayed due to weather you are out of luck with the Airline as to being put up in a hotel. But as noted if you are on Business / First as a value customer they most likely go out of their way to make some compromise. In these situation it is best to know your airline rights and asking always help.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2001535]If the flight is delayed due to weather you are out of luck with the Airline as to being put up in a hotel. But as noted if you are on Business / First as a value customer they most likely go out of their way to make some compromise. In these situation it is best to know your airline rights and asking always help.[/QUOTE]If you are UA especially, regardless of class, you are on your own. Even it if it crew or equipment you have to fight. I find a couple of the other US airlines are slightly better. The Aisan airlines, have treated me much better in the past when there are weather delays. But I usually are on CX or SQ mostly.

[QUOTE=BushRusher;2001961]If you are UA especially, regardless of class, you are on your own. Even it if it crew or equipment you have to fight. I find a couple of the other US airlines are slightly better. The Aisan airlines, have treated me much better in the past when there are weather delays. But I usually are on CX or SQ mostly.[/QUOTE]I agree domestic wise you have to really know your airline rights. Personally first hand I know it is not a easy job for agents to deal with delays since they are control by other people what type of decision can be made. Domestic in the past have taken a beating financially and it all comes down to the dollar. Employee attitude are beaten down due their hands being tied and then in the past few years the large mergers like United / Continental Delta / Northwest USAirway / American, generally speaking agents are more concern about what they might lose in the merger than doing their jobs. Believe it or not I've worked and met many station manager who have no business being in their position solely due to their paper resume. Whenever their are delays they are no where to be found leaving the front line supervisors hand tied. The old days of Airlines are gone, I remember once United flight to Hawaii was delay 4 hours, they provided vouchers in the airport for lunch and we aren't talking just for a sandwich.

Internationally, it is a different ballgame due to the distant most people travel, they also still hold the old school rule, take care of the passenger. Two years back I used Cathay Pacific through Hong Kong to Bangkok. Due to HK being their headquarters I was unable to get on a flight for near two days as Standby, the supervisor was kind enough to let me into their lounge to use and shower but there were agents who also treated like shit so typical in general of a Airline own and run by the government.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2001984]I agree domestic wise you have to really know your airline rights.

Internationally, it is a different ballgame due to the distant most people travel, they also still hold the old school rule, take care of the passenger. Two years back I used Cathay Pacific through Hong Kong to Bangkok. Due to HK being their headquarters I was unable to get on a flight for near two days as Standby, the supervisor was kind enough to let me into their lounge to use and shower but there were agents who also treated like shit so typical in general of a Airline own and run by the government.[/QUOTE]With US domestic on UA you are pretty much screwed and need to really push. On international, in or out bound you are not much better. Many airports do not have shower facility. I can tell you that Business does not get any better treatment.

Knock on wood, CX has always taken care of me. Had been diverted a several times because of weather and everyone got put up. They just loaded the same plane and crew the next day. The higher up the food chain you are with them, the better the service. Had good resolutions with BA and LH in and outbound. I don't know your specific situation, but I would much rather have flight delay problems in Asia. I usually get put up for free. 3 months ago, I was getting put up by UA because of a mechanical problem and I heard the supervisor tell the staff to stop issuing vouchers. Not sure what happened to the sods behind me traveling on their own dime.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2000747]100% sure. I'm booked thru United using FF miles. OZ 211 from SFO to ICN, then OZ 741 from ICN to BKK.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Threadbare;2003870]Earlier this month I had a few days in AC, which I have been doing about this time of year for a few years now. I flew with Qatar Airways, in order to fly right into Clark, unfortunately it all went wrong in Doha when I missed the connection due to late arrival. Its the first time I tried that flight, and coming from a 50 minute delayed departure at London (not uncommon these days), the transfer time of 45 minutes was obviously a problem. Anyway Qatar airways looked after the 13 of us pretty well, and offered choice of the same flight following day, or Manila and bus transfer 7 hours later same day. So we took that, and finally arrived at Clark 12 hours late. I had cancelled my airport pick up to Queens Hotel, but was able to get a drop off, as the "bus transfer" from Manila turned into a fleet of 7 seater taxis with 3 - 4 in each.![/QUOTE][QUOTE=BushRusher;2002008]With US domestic on UA you are pretty much screwed and need to really push. On international, in or out bound you are not much better. Many airports do not have shower facility. I can tell you that Business does not get any better treatment.

Knock on wood, CX has always taken care of me. Had been diverted a several times because of weather and everyone got put up. They just loaded the same plane and crew the next day. The higher up the food chain you are with them, the better the service. Had good resolutions with BA and LH in and outbound. I don't know your specific situation, but I would much rather have flight delay problems in Asia. I usually get put up for free. 3 months ago, I was getting put up by UA because of a mechanical problem and I heard the supervisor tell the staff to stop issuing vouchers. Not sure what happened to the sods behind me traveling on their own dime.[/QUOTE]Shemp,

FYI report from AC thread. Just an example of how the major non-US airlines take care of their customers. Service is better and staff are prettier.

Currently in Pattaya but figured this is more of a general area question. I've installed Line and WeChat to contact girls but have some questions.

Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service. All I could find was a dictionary, but it only does word by word translation (you have to look each one up) so is kinda useless for me. Girl I met sent me some weird stickers and I don't know what they mean.

Haven't used WeChat yet, but seems to be mostly used for finding FL girls by using the find people nearby function? I've filtered for girls only, but still seem to see dudes in the results. Some girls seem to openly advertise, for others not so clear. In any case, I'm a bit afraid to try as don't feel like the pictures available are enough to go by.

Just installed the English Thai translation app by GK apps so will give that a try tonight. I guess I'll have to get the girl to install it if she already doesn't have it.

Am currently looking for younger girls (about 20) and those seem to all have pretty much zero English aside from the standard questions (where from, how old, what name etc). It's taking a lot of time to break the ice, so I'd like to speed things up if possible.

Am curious as to what others are using, or doing to get around the issue I'm having. Advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004992]Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service.[/QUOTE]Thai / English translation technology is garbage. It's not like german to english or whatever. Don't worry about it. They speak English if they are looking to provide a good time for money. Easily enough English to facilitate the meeting.

Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2006102]Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.[/QUOTE]Yes, a few years ago. From Amsterdam to Bangkok. Quite happy with their service.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2006102]Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.[/QUOTE]Yes. Good "Asian" airline, which means you won't have surly linebacker-type stewardesses or haughty sensitive stewards like the US carriers. Have flown long haul in economy class. Service is good. In-flight entertainment is good. I prefer ANA for the ORD flights, but it generally costs more. Enjoy, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2006102]Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.[/QUOTE]I flew from IAH to BKK via TPE last fall. It was a decent, airline or at least better than most. I found it a bit uncomfortable because the flight was full. But, the price was right. TPE is their hub and they seem to be the dominant airline. BTW, the TPE Taoyuan airport is really nice and the duty free liquor is a bargain! I bought a fifth of Chivas for $14 US but for people who like the single malt Scotch you have a good selection.

I recently priced a flight from IAH to MNL and found it was very reasonable. But, when I priced the same flight just to TPE is was substantially higher! One of the odd airfare paradoxes where a longer connecting flight is much cheaper. I've seen that happen in the US, too.

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2006102]Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.[/QUOTE]Yes. Nice ROC airline with pretty flight attendants. Better than the PRC ones. Not the latest equipment but it is nice and lower priced and clean. Most flights require a TPE hub transit.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2004992]Currently in Pattaya but figured this is more of a general area question. I've installed Line and WeChat to contact girls but have some questions.

Line doesn't seem to have an English-Thai translation service. All I could find was a dictionary, but it only does word by word translation (you have to look each one up) so is kinda useless for me. Girl I met sent me some weird stickers and I don't know what they mean.

Haven't used WeChat yet, but seems to be mostly used for finding FL girls by using the find people nearby function? I've filtered for girls only, but still seem to see dudes in the results. Some girls seem to openly advertise, for others not so clear. In any case, I'm a bit afraid to try as don't feel like the pictures available are enough to go by.

Just installed the English Thai translation app by GK apps so will give that a try tonight. I guess I'll have to get the girl to install it if she already doesn't have it.

Am currently looking for younger girls (about 20) and those seem to all have pretty much zero English aside from the standard questions (where from, how old, what name etc). It's taking a lot of time to break the ice, so I'd like to speed things up if possible.

Am curious as to what others are using, or doing to get around the issue I'm having. Advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I use LINE extensively, but don't try to use translate Apps. I suggest you are better off using very simple English with girls that can do some English. If the girl cannot do English at all, is there much point to chatting with her?

The translation Apps between English and Thai do a pretty bad job, IMHO. As I can read Thai as well, I do know this. Translate between English and German as an example, is much better. So if you translate your message from English to Thai script before you send it, you could be saying either nonsense, or something different to what you intended. If she sends you Thai script, you can try translating it, but again, risk of wrong translation and misunderstanding is high. Thai language leaves out a lot of assumed words, so resulting English is not likely to make a good sentence at all.

I recommend to ask the girl to send English messages to you, still a risk of misunderstanding, but if she does not, then maybe best to forget it. Even though I can read Thai, most of my LINE girls, still send me English messages unless they are in a "Thai" mood. I do have one or two exceptions who really do not speak English at all (or don't wish too. LOL including my GF). However maybe you should be avoiding this type of girls.

Maybe my experienced is biased by being in Bangkok, but even my freelancer girl on the street can message me in English. Is it possible that all very poorly educated girls end up in Pattaya? Not sure that age of 20 is relevant.

Do chat Apps really work for two people without any common language?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2006585]I use LINE extensively, but don't try to use translate Apps. I suggest you are better off using very simple English with girls that can do some English. If the girl cannot do English at all, is there much point to chatting with her?

The translation Apps between English and Thai do a pretty bad job, IMHO. As I can read Thai as well, I do know this....

Maybe my experienced is biased by being in Bangkok, but even my freelancer girl on the street can message me in English. Is it possible that all very poorly educated girls end up in Pattaya? Not sure that age of 20 is relevant.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Google translate seems to be working for me so long as I keep things very simple. Not so much to chat, but just basic communication outside of the general scene questions (where from, how long stay, how old, etc.).

In Bangkok I had no problem communicating with girls in English, in Pattaya it can be a different story. Maybe not necessarily just due to age as I have met girls (21) with decent English, but some have almost none outside of the standard questions I mention above.

This may not be worth the bother for many, but I find that even a little back and forth can lead to a more fun session with the girl. Certainly not a guarantee of great service, but at least something to do while we are finishing drinks.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2009311]None of those points come into play with what I mean by "sexual liberation. " I can illustrate this best with a personal example. Was taking a gal from G-Spot on a very frequent basis years ago. We had a talk about fetish play, nasty talk, and women being aggressive in bed. She was not into any of it and said, "I am not a dirty girl. " This coming from a gal who had been poked by scads of dudes. Thai women are still considered "bad girls" if they are overt about their sexuality, and most of the times that extends to the bedroom. Yes, there are exceptions; but this is the rule. They are not in the least sexually liberated.

Also, have you noticed the way Thai gals are dressing these days? As frumpy as it gets. Even among the freelancers you won't see tight sexy clothes. If you see short shorts on the streets of BKK, you can rest assured it's a tourist. This was not the case 4 years ago, but it is now. Uni gals used to basically compete to see who could wear the shortest tightest uniform. That's over. Longer skirts are the rule.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure exactly what you mean by being aggressive in bed, nasty talk & fetish play. Were you talking about BDSM? There are hundreds of fetishes such as those related to clothing & perhaps nowhere else on earth are there more sex workers dressed in uniforms, such as school girl outfits, than Thailand.

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I'd suggest that by the example of being "sexually liberated" you described in paragraph one, a girl not being into "fetish play, nasty talk, and women being aggressive in bed", every country in the world is generally full of women who are not "sexually liberated". The vast majority of women worldwide are conservative when it comes to sex.

My sexual experiences are with sex workers, not non working women. Having been with dozens of ladies of the street in each of Thailand, Canada and Singapore, I didn't see much difference between the first two countries re things you mentioned. Neither nationality were aggressive or took the initiative in sex. Although in Singapore quite a few of the dozens of Vietnamese gals showed more acting or enthusiasm in the sack. They were also as a group whiter & to my taste more stunning than those who entertained me in Bangkok. BTW word has it that Indonesian females are great in the sack, but I have only been with one of them. They also, along with many PRC, can be found on the streets of SG.

Perhaps the fact she of G-Spot, a long term sex provider to Westerners I guess, wasn't into such things as you mention, speaks more to the type of customers she had, or your lack of willingness to press the issue. I've had quite a few TGs unwilling at first to do something, but they usually easily relented with a little bit of educating, persuasion or incentive. I doubt Western women would be as likely to give in and be submissive to your will, since TGs are not spoiled by feminism or trying to become like men or masculine. In LOS it's the opposite; many men are trying to become like women.

Thai working girls seem to me to be quite willing to be adventurous, in spite of the conservative mask they show in public or to a lesser degree initially in private alone with a client. I've never had a Canadian SP even mention animal porn, in person or on forums, over many years, let alone enjoy watching it, as one TG claimed. I imagine Western women finding it gross & appalling whereas TGs would be more likely to be curious to see more & find it a good source of amusement. Thai females are more easy going & follow the lead of men.

When it comes to kissing, Siam working lassies don't seem to have as many into it or willing as Western sex providers. I suppose this may be a cultural thing. Does this mean they are not as "sexually liberated" in the kissing department? Or do they wish to avoid losing income from getting sick via a cold etc? Or loss of face should they develop sores on or around the lips? When it comes to other activities, though, for examples DATO, BBBJ, body slides, BBFS, and massages, they seem to be more liberated than Canadians SPs.

Canada is a largely conservative Catholic & Christian country. I doubt that the idea of being a "bad girl", [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] and the like is much different than it is in Buddhist Thailand. If anything Buddhists are less hung up about sex. Perhaps communists & atheists like in Vietnam are more free from the shackles of religion in regards to sexual attitudes.

Is there any doubt that Thai men are more sexually liberated than Western men in some significant ways? Young men in LOS often experience their first sex with a prostitute & this is considered perfectly normal. Married Thai men are more free than Westerners to have a mistress or visit a brothel.

Regarding Thai people's dress code, how is it any different from elsewhere in the world? In Canada business men don't dress in shorts and tank tops, even when it hits 30 degrees. If I dressed like that in LOS I'd freeze to death from the universal air conditioning.

If Thais are dressing more conservatively now, my guess is it has nothing to do with sex & everything to do with the King dying a few months ago. Or with the ever changing styles of fashion which have historically occurred all over the world. It makes more money for businesses to push regular style changes, just as the latest new cell phone of the year is the rage. All your friends have it, so you have to also.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;2006193]Yes. Good "Asian" airline, which means you won't have surly linebacker-type stewardesses or haughty sensitive stewards like the US carriers. Have flown long haul in economy class. Service is good. In-flight entertainment is good. I prefer ANA for the ORD flights, but it generally costs more. Enjoy, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]One reason EVA costs less is that for the bargain basement fares, THEY DON'T GIVE MILES.

[QUOTE=JiveMofo;2008783]Thanks for the advice. Google translate seems to be working for me so long as I keep things very simple. Not so much to chat, but just basic communication outside of the general scene questions (where from, how long stay, how old, etc.).

In Bangkok I had no problem communicating with girls in English, in Pattaya it can be a different story. Maybe not necessarily just due to age as I have met girls (21) with decent English, but some have almost none outside of the standard questions I mention above.

This may not be worth the bother for many, but I find that even a little back and forth can lead to a more fun session with the girl. Certainly not a guarantee of great service, but at least something to do while we are finishing drinks.[/QUOTE]It takes some time, but learning basic Thai is quite helpful. Reading is, of course, another story entirely. But at least it is better than the pictograph based languages (like Chinese or Japanese).

Total newbie, and actually my first post. After years of wanting to visit Thailand I finally am able to make it happen. I did a great deal of research here as well and thought I had all my bases covered. And then I find out that it just so happens that my trip is scheduled during the Songkran. I did not even know this existed and had apparently not seen anything of it in my research.

I can deal with the getting wet part, but I am concerned that some of the bars may be closed or very short staffed. Is this something I should be concerned with? Or is this a blessing and something that may be fun and end up being a positive?

My days are April 9 to 13 in Phuket and April 13 to 17 in Bangkok.

I could also flex my days if it is better to avoid one place vs the other.

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!

[QUOTE=HornDog3;2006102]Has anyone flown with this company? I have a flight coming up from ORD to Manila.[/QUOTE]To Horndog.

I fly EVA once never again bad service it is one of the cheapest from the US, most Taiwanese that fly this airline are low class people I only fly Cathay pacific or Singapore now from SFO stop in HKG there are more connection to Bangkok or Manila it is more expensive but not by much.

Fast Eddie 48.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;2011484]To Horndog.

I fly EVA once never again bad service it is one of the cheapest from the US, most Taiwanese that fly this airline are low class people I only fly Cathay pacific or Singapore now from SFO stop in HKG there are more connection to Bangkok or Manila it is more expensive but not by much.

Fast Eddie 48.[/QUOTE]Funny, I have been using Eva for over ten years out of SFO, guess I'm low class? As a standby and paying passenger, consider them to be one of the best airline in the world and they were voted 5 class airline just this last year. Never had a bad experience going standby as a airline staff. Although you feel the passengers are low class I've never seen a flight attendant upset or a unusual dirty airplane after 12 plus hours. Their aircraft are top notch and the connection and staff in Taipei is also top notch.

I've also used Cathay a number of times throughout the years and I know it is consider one of the best. But everyone has their opinion as we know but I try to stay away from Cathay, for several reasons. One the connection I used BKK / HK / SFO, not bashing just generalizing like you is full of Indians, talking about low class.

A number of years ago, I got on a flight from BKK, connecting out of HK to SFO, the flight was late from a City in India, when I boarded to the back it was already packed with Indians, pretty much the one's that you see on Walking Street that walk around in packs and aren't allow in clubs (again generalizing) I was unable to find a spot for my small check-in lucky was able to put it under the seat in front after locating the owner a few rolls back who happen to use the spot. After seated, sat for a long period which worry me due to my connection. Everyone was still roaming around standing so I got up went to the back to talk to the flight attendant. I saw everyone standing around drinking beer, when I walk by the bathroom I saw [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] all over the floor with guys standing inside and outside bare feet.

I ask the F / A when we were leaving? Told her about the connection, they all seem disinterested and beaten down and indicated basically to me don't worry. Never seen this in a Asian owned airline although CP is owned by the Hong Kong government. I go back to my seat and after a while the plane was on the runaway taking off but the passenger were still standing around especially in the back drinking. Being in the airline industry for over 25 plus years and years of flying back and forth Asia have never seen this ever happen. That was one of the toughest 11 hours flight thereafter I avoid CP for years. Last year, due to a emergency I had to used CP, as a non-revenue passenger and treated like shit. I decided to return out of SFO, using Eva.

Shit happens on any airline but you might have gotten Eva mix up with China Airline now that is a bad one.

I flew RT Eva last year. They had the best price and there were no issues. For my return flight I needed to move the date up by 1 month. I did so with no extra charge. The overall experience sure beat the hell out of Delta the previous 2 years. I plan to fly Eva again in the next 2 months or so.

Hey Guys, thanks for all of your info on airlines. I was flying CP for a few years. I did not like the long layovers in HG. Now that Eva is flying out of Chicago. I thought I would try it. They were about $1200 cheaper than CP for premium economy. Plus they fly out at midnight so I get in to Manila by noon. I can get to Bangkok by 6:00 pm. With CP I always ended up in Bkk at midnight.

The flight was nice. The service was good.

In Pattaya now until Tuesday. Then off to Angeles City for a week.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2011512]For my return flight I needed to move the date up by 1 month. I did so with no extra charge. [/QUOTE]This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2011535]This is impressive. I need to look into Eva Air for sure now. I always notice Eva about 25% cheaper than Cathay. Can anyone else compare Eva Air with Cathay? I find the seats at Cathay to be fairly comfortable even if the person in front of you reclines his seat all the way back.[/QUOTE]Well, I can attest to the poor amount of legroom on EVA. I'm 6'4" and in coach it was a bit tight on the way over, and needed a Thai massage upon arrival to get myself back in shape. Luckily I was in the right place. However, they are very generous in regards to changes with a relatively benign fee, which was $100. KAL on the other hand, hit me with a $300 penalty after I had to get a refund. I had to postpone my trip and while there was a modest fee for a change of dates (around $100), all available dates in the near future had a much more expensive fare. Even the agent I spoke to (who had an Indian accent) flat out told me it was going to cost well over $1000 to get my reservation changed to a later date. I ended up taking the $300 hit and rebooked with EVA for a ticket that was about $200 less to BKK and back, so it wasn't a bad loss. Yes, I like EVA but coach is crammed with a lot of short Asian people with too much carry on baggage. Customer service in English is pretty dismal at KAL, which I can see on their website seems oriented towards Koreans.

[QUOTE=TylerDurden01;2011409]Total newbie, and actually my first post. After years of wanting to visit Thailand I finally am able to make it happen. I did a great deal of research here as well and thought I had all my bases covered. And then I find out that it just so happens that my trip is scheduled during the Songkran. I did not even know this existed and had apparently not seen anything of it in my research.

I can deal with the getting wet part, but I am concerned that some of the bars may be closed or very short staffed. Is this something I should be concerned with? Or is this a blessing and something that may be fun and end up being a positive?..[/QUOTE]Personally I always try to land in Bangkok after Songkran or leave well before it starts.

If you can arrive a week or two later I'd suggest it, or even in May.

That being said, I've been there during Songkran more than once & still had good fun with the street ladies outside Nana hotel across from the NEP gogos.

If I was 6'4 which I'm not I might have been the first Asian in the NBA, before Jeremy Lin 555? But since I'm not, I have no problems sitting in coach, in fact with Eva, I feel more comfortable sitting in coach. I've upgrade to deluxe slightly bigger seat design a number of times and the seat make me uncomfortable and after a few hours my hamstrings gets tight from the too much pressure on them from the design of the seat cushion. But based on aircraft seat design for coach I doubt anyone being 6'4 is going to be comfortable in coach with any airline. The aircraft they use are B777-300 ER, and aircraft configuration are different for shorter trip like from TPE / BKK. Their long segment of SFO / TPE the aircraft all have been upgraded decor, bathroom are tops providing toothbrush / paste and earplugs. The screen are now 10 inches and have USB connections. WiFi is available for a charge.

It should be noted in regards to Eva, they mix up their prices a lot, especially out of Bangkok to the SFO, many of their low fares at times try to move you to a long layover in Taipei, this can happen also when booking from SFO / LAX, so once you move forward double check your the length of the flight or trip that is going to be a clear giveaway. Also be flexible in your travel dates, you can move a date before and after and the flights cost can drop a lot? Their lowest fare reading the fine print normally don't include any mileage or just for their short segment Tpe / Bkk. If mileage is important to you if you choose the next higher fare it would include full or 80%. When it comes to fares, for example I checked a fare for Sept 11th, this year in Jan every date for the month was 56,000 baht BKK / SFO, that is very high for Eva, when that happens I wait, just last week I checked again and the fare dropped to 26,500 baht for the same date. It seems if you research too far ahead they got the fares up so be patient. As the flights start to fill up the prices start to drop, and after booking if you can't select a seat or not what you want like aisle keep checking everyday. As you get closer to the travel date travel agents start to turn in their unsold allotment and seat become more available. There are ways to double check to know whether a flight is selling out? In the end, if you can't get a aisle seat call reservation and let them list you for a aisle or emergency exit row instead of just asking when checking in. I've done this every time and when I check in they already have honor my request for all segments. I'm one of those guys that like to be the first to check in so get my request every time. Sitting in the aisle emergency row also allows you to board right after first class.

Some mention minimum cost for changes, for example if you purchased your original ticket at 28,000 baht, on April 1st, and after purchase you need to travel on another date, if that date there are seats still being sold at 28.000 then there is no higher charge but if the lowest fare for your original date is 35,000 baht now you will have to pay the difference to make the change. Their normal cancellation and change is 2000 baht?

[QUOTE=Dinghy;2011401]One reason EVA costs less is that for the bargain basement fares, THEY DON'T GIVE MILES.[/QUOTE]I have used China Airlines for years and I am a gold level customer. They are also a Taiwanese airline. Great service and never delayed. I leave Honolulu at midnight and I am in Bkk the following day at 8:30 am. Take the MRT and switch to the BTS and get off at Asoke. Take a taxi to my hotel from 21. All told is 100 baht from the airport to my hotel. A taxi with tolls is 400 baht. And you have traffic jams with a taxi.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2011976]I have used China Airlines for years and I am a gold level customer. They are also a Taiwanese airline. Great service and never delayed. I leave Honolulu at midnight and I am in Bkk the following day at 8:30 am. Take the MRT and switch to the BTS and get off at Asoke. Take a taxi to my hotel from 21. All told is 100 baht from the airport to my hotel. A taxi with tolls is 400 baht. And you have traffic jams with a taxi.

RL.[/QUOTE]I am not aware of China Air having a midnight flight out of Honolulu, they only show a flight leaving at 13:10 and the fight makes a number of stops. Also not aware they offer a direct flight from Hon-BKK.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2012047]I am not aware of China Air having a midnight flight out of Honolulu, they only show a flight leaving at 13:10 and the fight makes a number of stops. Also not aware they offer a direct flight from Hon-BKK.[/QUOTE]My search found this (flying Sun and Wed):

23:25 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:05 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 17:40 - 1 stop in Taipei.
Aircraft Airbus Industrie A340-300.
China Airlines (CI 001).
Aircraft Aircraft varies.
China Airlines (CI 833).

Times may change a bit at different times of year. However I suspect Honolulu (HNL) has no daylight saving (just a guess).

Hope you did not search for HON (Hong Kong).

Around 10 April was different (flying Mon and Thurs) confirming variation in times:
01:15 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:00 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 15:45 - 1 stop in Taipei.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2011962]If I was 6'4 which I'm not I might have been the first Asian in the NBA, before Jeremy Lin 555? But since I'm not, I have no problems sitting in coach, in fact with Eva, I feel more comfortable sitting in coach. [/QUOTE]I had the misfortune to choose Ryanair recently (not for flight to Thailand of course). Very few tall people on board and I could see why. The seats were appallingly bad causing torture. Minimal leg room reminded me of Malaysia Air Domestic many years ago, but curvature forward on both left and right side edges of the seat back pushed right on the shoulder blades, and seats could not be reclined. I am not quite 6'4 either. I can see why the term "cattle class" seats. Perhaps my shoulders are a bit broader than average as well. I don't have this extreme problem in any other airline to date. Seat design is just shocking (for some of us).

I warn all tall persons not to think of taking Ryan Air except in extreme desperation and very short flights only.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2012069]My search found this (flying Sun and Wed):

23:25 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:05 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 17:40 - 1 stop in Taipei.
Aircraft Airbus Industrie A340-300.
China Airlines (CI 001).
Aircraft Aircraft varies.
China Airlines (CI 833).

Times may change a bit at different times of year. However I suspect Honolulu (HNL) has no daylight saving (just a guess).

Hope you did not search for HON (Hong Kong).

Around 10 April was different (flying Mon and Thurs) confirming variation in times:
01:15 Honolulu (HNL) - Terminal M.
10:00 Bangkok (BKK).
Duration: 15:45 - 1 stop in Taipei.[/QUOTE]Thanks, my search with basically a made up date didn't produce the midnight flight at all with the cheaper prices quoted. They were all for the 13:10 with several stops going through Narita. Their schedule must be like Eva, having flights operating on certain days only. I will play around on their website to see what is being offered.

I knew HNL, had a flight to Bangkok but it was via through Taipei, by the way Hong Kong is (HKG) always looking for alternatives to using my flight benefits which in the past was good but these days with all the Code Shares and Alliances it is near impossible to get a seat.

I was interested in HNL, because I can get to HNL, for free and have family in HNL, but not sure how crowded their flights and RL response made it sound as if it was a non-stop from HNL to BKK. The less stopover I have the less chance of getting bumped off a flight.

Thai Airways had a flight BKK-LAX, before discontinue but gave me little time to get out of Immigration and get on the last flight to SFO with my benefits.