Bogota Reports

I'm almost at my trip. I'm trying out seeking arrangements. Any advice on that? What are people's experiences with that.

What I want is 1. Sex of course, preferably GFE, but it would be great to have a translator, that would travel with me to where ever. Should I expect only 1 person for both, or separate? What do I say on whatsapp? Do we make complete monetary arrangements up front? How detailed? Do I ask about GFE or even sex over whatsapp?

What can I expect to pay?

Thanks for any advice.

Going to Bogota Friday. I like GFE so I try to buy plan-be or something.

So I thought, I would ask Pharmacy questions. What contraceptives can be bought (e. G. Plan-b)? I like to stock up on stuff when I go to other countries what else can you get there that you can't get in the us. Valium like, Antibiotics (which ones), etc.

Anybody had any experience with Hotel Tequendama? What are the guest policies?

Airbnb can you get Santa Fe girls to come to an airbnb or do they only do the short time places?

Sorry guys I was absent for a while, but I am back.

This week in Santa Fe was a little bit slow but still good, I have been with a few guys and they enjoyed their lap dances and the girls.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2421365]Going to Bogota Friday. I like GFE so I try to buy plan-be or something.

So I thought, I would ask Pharmacy questions. What contraceptives can be bought (e. G. Plan-b)? I like to stock up on stuff when I go to other countries what else can you get there that you can't get in the us. Valium like, Antibiotics (which ones), etc.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about Valium, but I've purchased Amoxicillin easily from the pharmacy plenty of times in Medellin. As far as Plan-B goes, I'll post a pic of the Colombian Plan-B pills. So you know, I just went up into my attic to my little hiding spot where I keep these things away from the prying eyes just so I can take this pic, your welcome lol, joking.

Pages back I read a few posts from guys who don't like condoms, I don't either, but I use them while mongering so I had to find a happy medium. And that is the Guinness World Record, thinnest condom in the world, Aoni Condoms. Ill post a pic of them too. Seriously it damn near feels like you're fucking raw. As close as your going to get at least with a rubber. Just a tip, they run a bit small being an asian condom. So the XL you see in the pics, is more like the size of a traditional USA size Durex or something. Just a little info I thought may help save a life or two on the forum LOL.

I'm a frequent Medellin traveller, but April will be my first trip to Bogota, so for the last few days I've been RTTF and getting the scoop. Hoping to link up with Woodman when I get there, going to send off the money to renew my membership today! Thanks to all who contribute valuable info, I feel well equipped with everything I need to know, and I just started reading the Bogota Reports two days ago. I will be sure to contribute when I take my trip.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2421338]I have been in Santa Fe all week. It has been pretty good even Sunday, Monday. Last night was totally off the hook. Really hot girls every where.

I was with a bunch of guys. They all were very happy getting lapdances doing quickees.[/QUOTE]I've been in Santa Fe most of the week as well, heading to Medellin now.

Definitely some hot chicas out there, there's uglies and regular types as well.

There was also a gringo walking around in a bright yellow clown suit and hat, LOL.

Looked like a total bobo, however, he seemed to be having fun.

Sunday and Monday are pretty slow.

Thurs thru Saturday are much better.

The best time IMO in Santa Fe is between 3 pm and 9 pm.

The place changes after that.

Lots of girls go home, the dudes come out to party.

It's a different atmosphere out there.

I've learned to chat up the chica I like, let her know that I'm not a 20 min Charlie, LOL.

We usually end up together for 45 min to an hour.

I chat up the motel mama, or papacito as well, pay for double time or triple time. Which will only run 10 to 15 K pesos.

Well worth it.

Then I take a look at the watch with them, so we both know the 'knock knock' time.

They will short you on time, knowingly or not, and that sucks, so I nip that beforehand.

I had a great time out there!

I befriended lots of Vennies, including street vendors, club guys, restaurant workers, the girls of course, etc.

I had 3 outstanding, total GFE sessions at a nicer motel in the area.

Cost 20 k for the hour, motel, and I paid the girl appropriately.

Fantastic.

I had several other sessions that were good, just not like the top 3.

Of course I got contact info from all of them for later hookups.

Obviously, the better your spanish ability, the better your ability to bond, build chemistry, negotiate, etc, etc.

Google translate may help some, but breaking out your cell out for longer periods is not smart, plus it just doesn't work as well as jibber jabber ability, LOL.

Enjoy!

Guys just got back from Bogota. Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers. They charged me 30 mil for a warm corona. The selection of street girls was nothing short of terrible at best. Can't wait to get back to the facebook paradise in Medellin.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2421832]Guys just got back from Bogota. Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers. They charged me 30 mil for a warm corona. The selection of street girls was nothing short of terrible at best. Can't wait to get back to the facebook paradise in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Yes, please stay away guys. I understand that during the next couple weeks it's going to be especially bad. All the girls are fat, ugly and have STDs. After I leave everything should be fine though.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2421832] Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Baltimore MD!

[QUOTE=Diviant;2421365]Going to Bogota Friday. I like GFE so I try to buy plan-be or something.

So I thought, I would ask Pharmacy questions. What contraceptives can be bought (e. G. Plan-b)? I like to stock up on stuff when I go to other countries what else can you get there that you can't get in the us. Valium like, Antibiotics (which ones), etc.[/QUOTE]Antibiotics you can get anywhere and plan be (levonogestrel 1. 5 MG) you can also get very easily for about 4 USD if you get the generic one. There is a website called farmatodo and another one called farmalisto in which you can buy many pharmaceuticals and they will deliver to your hotel or apartment and pay on delivery. For some restricted ones like valium I am not sure if they deliver but you can try and let us know.

Boys,

I was in Bogota in late September and fell in love with a beautiful Colombian from Troya. The plan was to get her a passport so I could fly her up to Mexico to one of my time shares. She was a sweetie who was out of place in SF. I got her out of there and back with her fam in Cucuta. Anyway maybe I'm a fool but she is such a sweet heart and I just fell hard. Been at this game for a long time and well now I'm meeting up with her in Acapulco Friday. Just throwing out this post to show the possibilities. Acapulco thread seems dead but a Colombian import will make my week.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;2421742]
Pages back I read a few posts from guys who don't like condoms, I don't either, but I use them while mongering so I had to find a happy medium.
.[/QUOTE]Try the Reality brand FC-2 female condom. You will not go back to the other condoms after you do.

Guys just got back from Bogota. Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers. They charged me 30 mil for a warm corona. The selection of street girls was nothing short of terrible at best. Can't wait to get back to the facebook paradise in Medellin.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2422002]Guys just got back from Bogota. Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers. They charged me 30 mil for a warm corona. The selection of street girls was nothing short of terrible at best. Can't wait to get back to the facebook paradise in Medellin.[/QUOTE]What's the point of writing the same message twice?

[QUOTE=RyckII;2421878]Antibiotics you can get anywhere and plan be (levonogestrel 1. 5 MG) you can also get very easily for about 4 USD if you get the generic one. There is a website called farmatodo and another one called farmalisto in which you can buy many pharmaceuticals and they will deliver to your hotel or apartment and pay on delivery. For some restricted ones like valium I am not sure if they deliver but you can try and let us know.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I'll check them out.

(Thank everyone HotRockIt, Ryck II, Iguana Six and everyone else).

I'd still really like to hear some SA advice / whatsapp what to negotiate and where and how to negotiate broach GFE?

Also, anyone has had experience with Hotel Tequendama, in general, and with respect to guest.

I have tried that twice and it failed both times. Once Colombia wouldn't let the woman leave. The second time the Colombian made it to Mexico, but she was held up in Mexico City, put into a customs type jail, had her shoes stolen, luggage broken into, and she was sent back two days later.

If you think Mexicans are treated rough in the USA, you should see how the Mexicans treat South Americans.

The Mexicans assume that any single, young attractive South American woman is coming to Mexico to prostitute themselves. You have to give her enough money to show that she is going to spend it in Mexico, which is a huge risk, and maybe you can work something out that she has some sort of job back in Colombia, family ETC to show the Mexicans that she isn't planning to stay, but that is another huge risk. I would bet you a $100 if you go through with this plan that you will find yourself alone and depressed.

If you look on twitter, you will see Colombian and Venezuelans escorts all over Mexico. Juan Carter, who knows more about this than I ever would as he is king of Mexico City, has stated that all these women are trafficked by the cartels. You can check out labotique and Twitter to find women available in Acapulco and throughout Mexico. I have heard that Mexican customs can be bribed. I should have asked the South American escorts I saw from Twitter how they got in, but I didn't. If you want a Colombian woman in Mexico, I would look to Twitter and Labotique and forget about importing any in.

And don't fool yourself. This isn't just me. Another guy on here complained about the same thing, and it failed. He tried to import four women into Mexico, and he was told for $4000, the least attractive of the four he brought in could come. He balked at that, and all four women were sent back.

I don't know about other places. Mexico would have been by far the most convenient for me, but I am going to be looking at other intermediate spots probably in the Caribbean. I don't think those countries are as worried about Colombians staying and living there, but I could be wrong.

For you, though, Gmoney, I would recommend that you take your woman to San Andreas if you have the time. You would have to connect through Panama or Colombia so it is a price you have to pay time wise, but her plane ticket will be much less, and you won't have any visa issues with her as San Andreas, though close to Nicaragua, is owned by Colombia.

And by the way, she isn't out of place. You are just thinking that it is not normal to find someone so sweet working a strip club, and it is somewhat normal to find that in Colombia. I think the average streetwalker in Santa Fe puts more effort into the sexual act than all but the highest paid escorts in North America.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2421879]Boys,

I was in Bogota in late September and fell in love with a beautiful Colombian from Troya. The plan was to get her a passport so I could fly her up to Mexico to one of my time shares. She was a sweetie who was out of place in SF. I got her out of there and back with her fam in Cucuta. Anyway maybe I'm a fool but she is such a sweet heart and I just fell hard. Been at this game for a long time and well now I'm meeting up with her in Acapulco Friday. Just throwing out this post to show the possibilities. Acapulco thread seems dead but a Colombian import will make my week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2421879]Anyway maybe I'm a fool but she is such a sweet heart and I just fell hard.[/QUOTE]Yup, that pretty much says it all. Don't be another white knight with money to blow by trying to pick a girl up out of the gutter to "save" her from the streets. Look, I'm sure you're a nice guy with good intentions, but I'm telling you man, this will backfire on you. Do yourself a favor, and listen to this clip and take it to heart:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIFcqCc2B6U[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2422179]I have tried that twice and it failed both times. Once Colombia wouldn't let the woman leave. The second time the Colombian made it to Mexico, but she was held up in Mexico City, put into a customs type jail, had her shoes stolen, luggage broken into, and she was sent back two days later.

If you think Mexicans are treated rough in the USA, you should see how the Mexicans treat South Americans.

The Mexicans assume that any single, young attractive South American woman is coming to Mexico to prostitute themselves. You have to give her enough money to show that she is going to spend it in Mexico, which is a huge risk, and maybe you can work something out that she has some sort of job back in Colombia, family ETC to show the Mexicans that she isn't planning to stay, but that is another huge risk. I would bet you a $100 if you go through with this plan that you will find yourself alone and depressed.[/QUOTE]

That sucks, I took a chica I've been dealing with for awhile to Cancun and Playa Del Carmen last year and we didn't have any problems. I flew to Medellin, then we flew to Cancun together, then back to Medellin for a few more days of solo fun, then I went back to the USA. Not sure if we didn't have any problems just because I was with her and I was obviously a tourist, and they just assumed she was good cause she was with a gringo or what? But it was a breeze, no different from any trip I've ever taken thru customs to go somewhere. No problems for both of us. But I have heard of things going bad, and I was definitely worried something might go wrong and ruin the trip, and waste a bunch of money LOL.

[QUOTE=HotRockIt;2422208]That sucks, I took a chica I've been dealing with for awhile to Cancun and Playa Del Carmen last year and we didn't have any problems. I flew to Medellin, then we flew to Cancun together, then back to Medellin for a few more days of solo fun, then I went back to the USA. Not sure if we didn't have any problems just because I was with her and I was obviously a tourist, and they just assumed she was good cause she was with a gringo or what?[/QUOTE]Hotrock, I think your going with her was huge. Also, Cancun seems to be much less of a problem than Mexico City.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2422213]Hotrock, I think your going with her was huge. Also, Cancun seems to be much less of a problem than Mexico City.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents is to keep the Colombianas in Colombia. There are many incredible places to visit and see, without dealing with another country's immigration system. Places most of these women will never see. San Andres is just one example. Take her to an ecohab in Parque Tayrona, or to Escobar's old hotel in Bahia Solano. Take her down to Leticia, if you can handle the heat and humidity.

Depending on your age and fitness level, there's dozens of options. If you really want to splurge, take her to Europe. Less hassle, more options.

I think you're correct, it's much better to take her somewhere than to have her meet you somewhere.

Also, I agree about Juan Carter and CDMX. He's an encyclopedia and very happy to help.

[QUOTE=ElBacano;2422002]Guys just got back from Bogota. Very dangerous. When I was there. It appears possible gang violence, I heard many gun shots, and the girls told me rival gangs. The place was seedy, the rooms are trash and you only get 20 minute intervals, which really sucks for lack of a better term. The bars hound you, and rip you off for beers. They charged me 30 mil for a warm corona. The selection of street girls was nothing short of terrible at best. Can't wait to get back to the facebook paradise in Medellin.[/QUOTE]You Sound like a Medellin Mansion Schill who really does not know what he is talking about.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2421879]Boys,

I was in Bogota in late September and fell in love with a beautiful Colombian from Troya. The plan was to get her a passport so I could fly her up to Mexico to one of my time shares. She was a sweetie who was out of place in SF. I got her out of there and back with her fam in Cucuta. Anyway maybe I'm a fool but she is such a sweet heart and I just fell hard. Been at this game for a long time and well now I'm meeting up with her in Acapulco Friday. Just throwing out this post to show the possibilities. Acapulco thread seems dead but a Colombian import will make my week.[/QUOTE]Believe I met her! Think her name was Katerina, short with a cute face and a booty. Definitely remember her being from Cucuta. Anyhow, I know a few Colombianas that made it to Mexico for a vacation without any problems. One of them stayed there and works as a sugarbaby on SA. Hope it works out for you.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2422038]Thank you! I'll check them out.

(Thank everyone HotRockIt, Ryck II, Iguana Six and everyone else).

I'd still really like to hear some SA advice / whatsapp what to negotiate and where and how to negotiate broach GFE?

Also, anyone has had experience with Hotel Tequendama, in general, and with respect to guest.[/QUOTE]Tequendama used to be a really nice hotel when I was managed by the Intercontinental Hotel Chain, in the 90's it became Tequendama Crown Plaza and was still ok. Since the building actually belongs to the government and for some reason the deal with Intercontinental was ended, now is handled like an independent hotel. All this to say that it may not have the same quality it used to have. Rumor has it that the deal ended because Intercontinental requested a major refurbishing and government declined to pay for it. With respect to guests, hotels require guests to leave before 11 and to leave an ID in the reception. If they want to stay all night most probably a guest surcharge will be applied.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2422595]Tequendama used to be a really nice hotel when I was managed by the Intercontinental Hotel Chain, in the 90's it became Tequendama Crown Plaza and was still ok. Since the building actually belongs to the government and for some reason the deal with Intercontinental was ended, now is handled like an independent hotel. All this to say that it may not have the same quality it used to have. Rumor has it that the deal ended because Intercontinental requested a major refurbishing and government declined to pay for it. With respect to guests, hotels require guests to leave before 11 and to leave an ID in the reception. If they want to stay all night most probably a guest surcharge will be applied.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Interesting, well I got a backup AirBnb. I've never used it before so, it might be an alternative. I'll check into the hotel then next day at the Airbnb and see what's what.

Well SA seems to be going well. Have a bunch in my phone. I'm thinking most of them are just pros but not a huge problem. I only have one that can speak English, I'll check and see if she'll do guide and more. I haven't tried negotiating yet. I obviously don't have the extra money some of you guys do. Flying girls with you. Wow. If the ones I'm talking to expect that then they'll be very unhappy.

Any negotiating tips would be welcome. I read on this from someone that he meet them at the hotel for dinner or drinks then after, basically paid what he thought. I'd be scared they would demand allot, if I did that.

Weather:

I am not happy below 60 degrees so Bogota was not for me. The temps drop below 60 degrees at 7 pm and below 50 degrees at 10 pm. The temperature does not return to 60 degrees until around 10 am. Basically 60 degrees and above for 9 hours and 15 hours of below 60 degrees. It matters to me because the ST hotels are cold if not used in the afternoon. Even though I am wearing a jacket my hands are cold so the girls do not want me touching them with my cold hands. The girl wear practically nothing which still amazes me how they can do it. So I do not want them touching me with their cold hands.

It has been fairly sunny but I have an oily complexion so my face and top of my head was fried climbing the church on the hill (Montserrat). Swear I peeled twice. Then burned the top of my head a little walking for 5 hours one day. That happened in 1 month compared to no burns when I stayed in Cucuta for 2 months and they reached high 80's low 90's every day.

Hotels:

I looked at several hotel rooms in person and San Francisco was the closest, cleanest, and best value in my opinion. I got lucky and found sale price of $17, with taxes / fees $20 a night with a good breakfast.

Street Scene:

If Centro in Medellin scares you then do not come here. It is worse. First visit was Medellin. Second Cucuta. Now Bogota and it made me the most uncomfortable. Worse sidewalks with shit, pee, and spit everywhere. But what made me uneasy was so many guys hanging out for no reason no purpose. Some were homeless, boyfriends of the girls, the boyfriend's loser friends, and what I assume were guys waiting for an opportunity to steal something.

The A, be, and CTeam Girl Areas:

The ATeam girls are prettier, the most girls, and cost more. They ask all kinds of prices. The be girls mostly ask for the same lower price, more older and ugly girls, less girls, but have some far out outfits. Never saw any girls of interest in the see group. Now where they are.

TeamA. Start at corner Calle 24 and Carrera 15 (La Piscina Night Club street).

Girls on Calle 24 between Carrera 15 Carrera and 16 a. Then down Carrera 15,16, 16 a to Calle 23. Girls on Calle 23 between Carrera 15 Carrera and 16 a.

Now walk down Carrera 15 two streets to Calle 22. Girls on Calle 22 between Carrera 16 a (2 blocks to your right) and Carrera 14 bis (gas station).

Turn left to the gas station. Then right onto Carrera 14 bis. This is where the BTeam starts. The first street is trannies. The second block has girls. You run into Calle 20. There are girls up to the corner to Carrera 16, but at the corner half are trannies. Turn right. Walk less then half a block and turn left onto Carrera 15 bis. Go to the end of the block and hit major street Calle 19. Turn left. Many trannies start here with some girls mixed in. Walk one block to Avenida Caracas. Cross Avenida Caracas.

The CTeam starts here. I never saw anything good here but never visited after dark. Very short walk half block to Carrera 13 a. Turn left. Walk 1 block. One street with older women. Now return back to Avenida Caracas. Turn left on Avenida Caracas one street to Calle 18. Turn left. Walk down Calle 18 for 3 blocks while looking both left and right up the side streets for girls as you pass them. That ends the see Team area.

MISC:

Love big boobs. I swear almost every girl with big boobs were plastic. Hate the feel of them. Some of the scars are horrible. One girl had nerve damage. Suck on the left but not the right because it hurt her. Very sad.

Saw a foreigner with a backpack on the side of the gas station (trannie area) translating away on his phone to the police. Something bad. No idea what happened but had to laugh at him.

Dentist:

[URL]www.1485dentalspa.com[/URL]

Diana Medina speaks English and is pretty (see pic on website)! They charge 50,000 for exam. If you do not get any procedure done they keep the 50,000. Otherwise it applies to your bill. Reasoning is they offer free drinks and massage. I had neither. I doubt they have such a pretty massage girl that is shown on theie website.

Summary:

The cold weather made me lose 10% of my normal get-up-and-go. Used to warmer areas. The altitude caused another 10% drop in my get-up-and-go. Lastly the trash, spit, pee, shit, and bad sidewalks caused 10% of interest to run out the door. I actually saw 5 guys peeing in daylight hours. This guy and his buddy were facing the wall. Thought they were doing drugs but no. They were peeing and I nearly stepped in it as it ran down the sidewalk. This place is not for me!

So far one of my all time best worldwide: [URL]https://twitter.com/encuentrosandre?lang=en[/URL] been using for years and rarely disappointed. Between 70-100 $ per hour, outcall only. Specializes in students and only does 1 call per day per girl, so no tired pros there. They vet the girls, only cute GND types, GFE style.

Other agency I tried lately is [URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/schoolmodelscol[/URL], here is my review:

Found the SchoolModelsCol agency by bouncing around on Twitter. They only advertise on social media platforms and communication is through WhatsApp, but I imagine you can also call. There are some nice pictures on Twitter, but when you become a customer they let you access an online private catalogue, which has many pictures of the girls and you can see their faces. This is a big plus, because on top of seeing their delectable bodies, you also know what the girl's face will look like before she arrives. Saves you from the hot body but ugly face issue. The booker also mentioned they provide special "on request" services to established customers. Can't wait to find out.

I contacted them and after much conversation, I picked Gineth as a first date. I set-up the appointment for 2 days ahead at my hotel.

Gineth showed up on time (I didn't), so she waited in a cafe nearby. Met her outside the hotel (booker sent a picture, so it was easy to recognize her) and we went up to my room.

We talked a little and then I asked her to undress. I highly recommend Gineth and the agency, they have been very attentive to detail and they are ready to go the extra mile.

She has an amazing body. She is tiny but with a thin waist, big butt and breasts. The mix between Latin and Japanese is awesome, Gineth got the Latin curves and the Japanese breasts!

We started kissing and fondling and then she went to a BBJ while I was rubbing her clit and fingering her. She was getting aroused but I wanted the first round to be oral, so I came half on her face and half in her mouth. We showered and talked a little more.

Then when I was ready again (rather quickly), she mounted me in CG and started riding. Her beautiful breasts were straight in my face and I started sucking on those beauties, that turned her on big time. She was riding and pushing her chest into my mouth, moaning the whole time.

I turned her around and finished in doggy (I don't always get to cum a second time, never this quickly!

Loved my time with her, absolutely recommend.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Diviant;2422657]Wow. If the ones I'm talking to expect that then they'll be very unhappy.

Any negotiating tips would be welcome. I read on this from someone that he meet them at the hotel for dinner or drinks then after, basically paid what he thought. I'd be scared they would demand allot, if I did that.[/QUOTE]No offense, Deviant, but I swear I am going to have to type this every day. THE BEST SA WOMEN ARE NOT *****S. THEY DO NOT SET A PRICE. YOU ARE GIVING THEM A GIFT AND SOMETIMES THEY DO NOT EVEN WANT THAT!

You all really, really need to get out of the working girl mindset with SA. The first girl I was with in Medellin I gave 200 k to. I texted her later to see her and she said that she was unhappy with the gift but she didn't say anything at the time. I offered to give her more, but she then got more and more greedy.

Do you know what I told her? Nothing. Do you know what I told myself? NEXT!

A girl wants too much money? NEXT! There is nothing to be afraid of.

The really smart girls on SA know the payoff is in the long term, and they don't bother with how much for one visit.

I am trying to get a rotation of the best women in Colombia, and I want two in each of the three cities I have picked out. Every time I have picked out a SA girl as a repeat customer, a potential SB, the women have voluntarily taken themselves off SA. I repeat, the best women on SA are not hookers in the sense that they will fuck any guy for money. The top women will only fuck me or fuck you if you are their SD for money.

But the tip top women on SA, the very smartest, will fuck you for free if you are an American. Those are the women who are chasing the most money, the real prize and hopefully, if you are smart, you will understand why.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2423005]............Saw a foreigner with a backpack on the side of the gas station (trannie area) translating away on his phone to the police. Something bad. No idea what happened but had to laugh at him.............[/QUOTE]We're different. I would have been sympathetic.

Nevertheless, a good analysis of the Bogota street scene with details hitherto unreported on this forum.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2423201]We're different. I would have been sympathetic.

Nevertheless, a good analysis of the Bogota street scene with details hitherto unreported on this forum.[/QUOTE]Trannies are boys. Boys play rough. Sometimes you get hurt (think he was robbed so no big deal). Play with trouble you find trouble. No sympathy from me.

I'm not new to mongering but this is going to be my first time in Colombia and a few more tips will be appreciated. I will be in Bogota during the first week of March for 8 days and I don't speak any Espanyol. For accommodation what would you recommend between Hotel Virrey and San Francisco? Is Facebook a good hunting ground in Bogota. Lastly how do I use my bitcoins to pay for my subscription? I already have bitcoins through cashapp but can't read the instructions on how to pay because there is always an add blocking half of the instructions page and it can't be closed.

[QUOTE=Alp676;2423280]For accommodation what would you recommend between Hotel Virrey and San Francisco?[/QUOTE]I stay in both. But that depends on my plans. I hang out in Santa Fe, and SF is only a couple blocks walk. If I am only planning to chill with non-pros then I may stay at Virrey, which is a way longer walk to Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Alp676;2423280]Is Facebook a good hunting ground in Bogota.[/QUOTE]Facebook is a Medellin thing. You are not going to get chicks off there in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2423074]No offense, Deviant, but I swear I am going to have to type this every day. THE BEST SA WOMEN ARE NOT *****S. THEY DO NOT SET A PRICE. YOU ARE GIVING THEM A GIFT AND SOMETIMES THEY DO NOT EVEN WANT THAT!

You all really, really need to get out of the working girl mindset with SA. The first girl I was with in Medellin I gave 200 k to. I texted her later to see her and she said that she was unhappy with the gift but she didn't say anything at the time. I offered to give her more, but she then got more and more greedy.

Do you know what I told her? Nothing. Do you know what I told myself? NEXT!

A girl wants too much money? NEXT! There is nothing to be afraid of.

The really smart girls on SA know the payoff is in the long term, and they don't bother with how much for one visit.

I am trying to get a rotation of the best women in Colombia, and I want two in each of the three cities I have picked out. Every time I have picked out a SA girl as a repeat customer, a potential SB, the women have voluntarily taken themselves off SA. I repeat, the best women on SA are not hookers in the sense that they will fuck any guy for money. The top women will only fuck me or fuck you if you are their SD for money.

But the tip top women on SA, the very smartest, will fuck you for free if you are an American. Those are the women who are chasing the most money, the real prize and hopefully, if you are smart, you will understand why.[/QUOTE]LOL got it. Well some were obvious pros or seem to be but I got that's not the goal. I have only 1 that I'm really tweaked about. The language barrier knocks allot off for just hanging out. I don't mind some translate but I think it would get old.

[QUOTE=Alp676;2423280]I'm not new to mongering but this is going to be my first time in Colombia and a few more tips will be appreciated. I will be in Bogota during the first week of March for 8 days and I don't speak any Espanyol. For accommodation what would you recommend between Hotel Virrey and San Francisco? Is Facebook a good hunting ground in Bogota. Lastly how do I use my bitcoins to pay for my subscription? I already have bitcoins through cashapp but can't read the instructions on how to pay because there is always an add blocking half of the instructions page and it can't be closed.[/QUOTE]Why would you come to a Spanish-speaking country without knowing a single word of the language? Not putting in any effort and wanting to reap the benefits is like playing the Stock Market, making money off of other people's sweat. I'd give you some tips, but only if you put in the effort.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2423074]No offense, Deviant, but I swear I am going to have to type this every day. THE BEST SA WOMEN ARE NOT *****S. THEY DO NOT SET A PRICE. YOU ARE GIVING THEM A GIFT AND SOMETIMES THEY DO NOT EVEN WANT THAT!

You all really, really need to get out of the working girl mindset with SA. The first girl I was with in Medellin I gave 200 k to. I texted her later to see her and she said that she was unhappy with the gift but she didn't say anything at the time. I offered to give her more, but she then got more and more greedy.

Do you know what I told her? Nothing. Do you know what I told myself? NEXT!

A girl wants too much money? NEXT! There is nothing to be afraid of.

The really smart girls on SA know the payoff is in the long term, and they don't bother with how much for one visit.

I am trying to get a rotation of the best women in Colombia, and I want two in each of the three cities I have picked out. Every time I have picked out a SA girl as a repeat customer, a potential SB, the women have voluntarily taken themselves off SA. I repeat, the best women on SA are not hookers in the sense that they will fuck any guy for money. The top women will only fuck me or fuck you if you are their SD for money.

But the tip top women on SA, the very smartest, will fuck you for free if you are an American. Those are the women who are chasing the most money, the real prize and hopefully, if you are smart, you will understand why.[/QUOTE]I have never used SA but I think you are 100% right in your take on the real smart SA girls.

I noticed in the upscale strip clubs in different country's I have visited that some of the girls are so sharp in how they operate that it is almost breath taking to watch them spin their web.

Most guys don't have a chance.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2423364]Why would you come to a Spanish-speaking country without knowing a single word of the language? Not putting in any effort and wanting to reap the benefits is like playing the Stock Market, making money off of other people's sweat. I'd give you some tips, but only if you put in the effort.[/QUOTE]As far as speaking Spanish goes, I have learnt a few phrases through the duolingo app but still I wouldn't consider that knowing the language.

[QUOTE=Alp676;2423372]As far as speaking Spanish goes, I have learnt a few phrases through the duolingo app but still I wouldn't consider that knowing the language.[/QUOTE]Pimsleur Conversational Spanish for English Speakers is a pretty good simple method.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2423369]

I noticed in the upscale strip clubs in different country's I have visited that some of the girls are so sharp in how they operate that it is almost breath taking to watch them spin their web.

[/QUOTE]Can you elaborate on that? Probably that will help when meet these women.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2423402]Can you elaborate on that? Probably that will help when meet these women.[/QUOTE]It is kind of hard to put into words. These real sharp girls just almost only have to look at their targets and move in to completely make some guys lose their mind over them. A example would be how when walking in a seedy area and the SW give you that half ass come on look. Well the sharp girls don't give you that sort of look. They look in your eyes and it feels like they really want to be with you. That is just the start. Once you buy some drinks for them it becomes hard to resist their charms. Last time I was in a strip club in MDE one of the most beautiful girls in the place came to my table and looked at me like I was her long lost love. It was hard to shake my head no.

So the help you ask is just for Mongers to think about reality and not be fooled into thinking they are God's gift to women. If you fail it will cost you plenty.

To understand my post you have to look at the posts I'm responding to.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2423563]A example would be how when walking in a seedy area and the SW give you that half ass come on look. Well the sharp girls don't give you that sort of look. They look in your eyes and it feels like they really want to be with you. That is just the start. Once you buy some drinks for them it becomes hard to resist their charms. [/QUOTE]I like to keep things in perspective and do not fall for traps. If I see a chick I want to fuck, then I ask how much. Damn small talk and buying drinks for hoes. A chick looking at me or saying this, that, or the other has no effect. Besides, I know that an empty wagon makes the most noise I do the choosing; I don't pretend to be chosen when I coming out of the pocket.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2423563]It is kind of hard to put into words. These real sharp girls just almost only have to look at their targets and move in to completely make some guys lose their mind over them. A example would be how when walking in a seedy area and the SW give you that half ass come on look. Well the sharp girls don't give you that sort of look. They look in your eyes and it feels like they really want to be with you. That is just the start. Once you buy some drinks for them it becomes hard to resist their charms. Last time I was in a strip club in MDE one of the most beautiful girls in the place came to my table and looked at me like I was her long lost love. It was hard to shake my head no.

So the help you ask is just for Mongers to think about reality and not be fooled into thinking they are God's gift to women. If you fail it will cost you plenty.

To understand my post you have to look at the posts I'm responding to.[/QUOTE]Her name was Misty.

Twenty years ago she was 5 ft 6 inches and 100 pounds of blonde haired, green eyed beauty. She was 27 and perfect. If she had been 4 to 6 inches taller she'd have graced every magazine cover in the world.

I was 10 years older, tall, fit and handsome. Over the previous 8 years I'd gained confidence and was a minor sensation with women online. The internet had exploded and I'd been early to the game. All over the US, lonely women were eager to meet me.

I arrived at a friend's house in San Antonio, TX on Sunday morning, 12 hours late for the party. My friend was a 40 something woman, successful and divorced. Her backyard was nice, private and clothing optional. I spent the midday hanging out naked in the pool with her and another woman. They left me there to pick up Misty from the airport.

When she walked in, I was wearing nothing but a towel and my jaw dropped. I'd met beautiful women, but she was in an entirely different league. I didn't have a chance. I just hoped to see that body naked in the pool.

Three hours later, we were fucking and I was convinced I'd won her over. My planned overnight stay lasted a week and when I left, she left with me.

She stayed for 4 months, never more than 20 feet away. It was another 4 months, before I finally broke the spell she'd cast on me. By that time she had an executive, a bar owner and a contractor in Dallas all convinced she was madly in love with them.

Other than the emotional damage, I got off cheaply; about $5,000 on her over the 8 month period with 4 months of all the sex I could handle. She wasn't after my money. She was bored and wanted to keep her skills sharp.

When someone writes about a woman falling for them, I'm cynical. When she's at the bottom of the economic ladder and you're somewhere between the middle and the top, there's always an ulterior motive. It doesn't matter if she's as pure as Ivory soap. She sees dollar signs. You're spending enough money for her to support her family for 6 to 12 months, for a week's vacation.

Understand, most are good people. They're not trying to scam you. Most honestly believe they love you. You treat them nice, you're sweet, you buy them nice things, but your money is like a Snapchat filter; it turns a John Goodman into a Brad Pitt.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423590]Her name was Misty.

Twenty years ago she was 5 ft 6 inches and 100 pounds of blonde haired, green eyed beauty. She was 27 and perfect. If she had been 4 to 6 inches taller she'd have graced every magazine cover in the world.

I was 10 years older, tall, fit and handsome. Over the previous 8 years I'd gained confidence and was a minor sensation with women online. The internet had exploded and I'd been early to the game. All over the US, lonely women were eager to meet me.

I arrived at a friend's house in San Antonio, TX on Sunday morning, 12 hours late for the party. My friend was a 40 something woman, successful and divorced. Her backyard was nice, private and clothing optional. I spent the midday hanging out naked in the pool with her and another woman. They left me there to pick up Misty from the airport.

When she walked in, I was wearing nothing but a towel and my jaw dropped. I'd met beautiful women, but she was in an entirely different league. I didn't have a chance. I just hoped to see that body naked in the pool.

Three hours later, we were fucking and I was convinced I'd won her over. My planned overnight stay lasted a week and when I left, she left with me..[/QUOTE]It is normal. People marry girls, spend their lives and all money to be fucked by their wives. Look at the divorce data in USA, Canada, etc. You spent $5000 over 8 months and had, as you said, all the sex you could handle. It looks like, you've scammed her or she made you a present spending her time for almost no money. Maybe you just did not meet her expectations. What she can expect from you? Create sex? It is funny. They have 5-10 partners a day. As any normal woman they want family and good life. Love comes and goes, but you want to eat every day. As I understand, here most of the people want to save some money. Every second post is about "How to save a few bucks". To understand her, try to be in her shoes. Dear friends don't be fooled, those girls sleep spreed their legs not because you are great lovers / fuckers / Brad Pitt / etc. Not because they want or can't have sex. They just try to make living. So pay money or use your hands.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2423619]It is normal. People marry girls, spend their lives and all money to be fucked by their wives. Look at the divorce data in USA, Canada, etc. You spent $5000 over 8 months and had, as you said, all the sex you could handle. It looks like, you've scammed her or she made you a present spending her time for almost no money. Maybe you just did not meet her expectations. What she can expect from you? Create sex? It is funny. They have 5-10 partners a day. As any normal woman they want family and good life. Love comes and goes, but you want to eat every day. As I understand, here most of the people want to save some money. Every second post is about "How to save a few bucks". To understand her, try to be in her shoes. Dear friends don't be fooled, those girls sleep spreed their legs not because you are great lovers / fuckers / Brad Pitt / etc. Not because they want or can't have sex. They just try to make living. So pay money or use your hands.[/QUOTE]As John Gault said, to understand my posts you have to read the posts I'm responding to.

The subject isn't paying for sex. I don't want to brag, but I consider myself an expert at handing a girl money after she fucks me.

The subject is the women who have mastered the art of convincing men they aren't paying for sex. Woman who make you think you're investing in a relationship.

Most of these girls are good at making us believe they enjoy our company. A few are so good it's easy to forget we're paying for their company. Of course some guys are just easy to fool.

For the record, if Misty had offered to live with me, just as a fuck buddy until either of us got bored, I'd only have saved about $1000. But the emotional damage would have been less.

No need to put myself in her shoes, either. Her mother and friends explained it to me. I was there, she was bored and she didn't have anything else going on. She knew she could wrap me around her little finger and she did. Then she dangled the prize in front of me to see how long I'd dance.

I consider it a very good investment. I learned a great deal, had incredible sex and got an awesome dog out of the deal.

The guy who followed me wasn't so lucky. He ended up buying her an Audi.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2423563]..........These real sharp girls just almost only have to look at their targets and move in to completely make some guys lose their mind over them.............[/QUOTE]With me in spite of their modus operandi the bottom line is I either want to fuck the girl or I don't. If I want to then no matter her approach I will take her to bed. If I don't want to then only pity for the girl will make me go with her and years of experience has made me avoid pity fucks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423691]

The guy who followed me wasn't so lucky. He ended up buying her an Audi.[/QUOTE]Jesus, I can't even imagine that. Money to blow is a foreign concept to me. I've had a lot of girlfriends over the years, and none of them were with me for the money. It's easy for me to tell, because I don't have any money. I travel when I can because it's what I like to do, maybe a trip once a year, two smaller ones if I'm lucky. The rest of the time I'm working odd jobs to pay the bills. I'm sure compared to most guys on this forum my bank account looks like a steaming pile of dog shit, but the up side is when a girl gets with me, I know it's real. First dates usually consist of a fast food joint, and if she can get over the fact that I drive a rusted out shit box, I know I've got her. They might get with me for physical reasons, but I'm okay with that. In this respect, I consider myself very lucky that I've never been taken for a ride.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423691]The subject is the women who have mastered the art of convincing men they aren't paying for sex. Woman who make you think you're investing in a relationship.[/QUOTE]And you know what my problem with those women is? Well I should say those women's problem with me. And I tell them this. I am looking for an asset, not a liability. In other words, I am not looking to take on the responsibility of paying someone else's bills. These women are looking for a bank, not a boyfriend. Big difference.

My girlfriend is a school lunch lady in a country town in Brazil. She has to ride the bus all night in order to get to the closest city with an airport. That is how country where she lives is. The other day we were supposed to meet in a certain city to start a trip. She missed her flight the first day (did not check in online like I told her to do) so she would not arrive until evening the next day. I don't know if she had to pay to change the ticket or whatever. She never brought that up to me. What I do know is that because we would have to stay an extra night in the hotel because of her late arrival, she called the hotel and made a bank transfer to pay for the extra night before she even got there. That is the type of woman I look for.

On the flip side, I had bought a ticket for a chick in Barranquilla to meet me in Bogota. I paid like $150 round trip. She had to borrow money from her mother to get to the airport. She got there in time but did not know she was supposed to go through security, so she end up missing the flight. That was the last flight of the day. She did not have money to get back home. No idea how she ended up getting back. I have not talked to her since that day and I was pizzed to waste $150 like that. That is not the kind of lady that I look for.

I can not fathom giving a chick that is supposed to be my girlfriend money here and money there. I throw money at hookers for the variety. I know that I can not buy love. So what advantage does it give me to throw money at some chick I am supposed to be in a relationship with? None as far as I can see.

I am of the IronQuinn school. I have money because I only give it to chicks that can tell me how much it is going to cost me and how long she is staying. I know a chick is not with me for money because I do not give them any. Late rent, empty pantries, and school clothes or books for kids ain't none of my fucking business. And when a chick does ask, without warning that is the end of us seeing each other.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2423919]

On the flip side, I had bought a ticket for a chick in Barranquilla to meet me in Bogota. I paid like $150 round trip. She had to borrow money from her mother to get to the airport. She got there in time but did not know she was supposed to go through security, so she end up missing the flight. That was the last flight of the day. She did not have money to get back home. No idea how she ended up getting back. I have not talked to her since that day and I was pizzed to waste $150 like that. That is not the kind of lady that I look for..[/QUOTE]I think sometimes you make this stuff up, LOL.

Can someone really be this cold?

Some little country bumpkin from Barranquilla gets stuck cause she's naive to traveling and you just leave her cold.

I know you'll have some good line about, ain't your fault, not your problem, etc, etc.

Guess you skipped the empathy line, on creation.

However, once again, to each their own.

Obviously you can live with yourself treating girls like that.

You'll have a good rationalization of why, you write well actually, and that's great for you.

I’m not a fool, I don’t throw money around like a bobo, I don’t let women take advantage of me, however, I do know that things happen, and I’d never leave someone stranded unless they did something with bad intentions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2423919]And you know what my problem with those women is? Well I should say those women's problem with me. And I tell them this. I am looking for an asset, not a liability. In other words, I am not looking to take on the responsibility of paying someone else's bills. These women are looking for a bank, not a boyfriend. Big difference.

My girlfriend is a school lunch lady in a country town in Brazil. She has to ride the bus all night in order to get to the closest city with an airport. That is how country where she lives is. The other day we were supposed to meet in a certain city to start a trip. She missed her flight the first day (did not check in online like I told her to do) so she would not arrive until evening the next day. I don't know if she had to pay to change the ticket or whatever. She never brought that up to me. What I do know is that because we would have to stay an extra night in the hotel because of her late arrival, she called the hotel and made a bank transfer to pay for the extra night before she even got there. That is the type of woman I look for..[/QUOTE]Sometimes, when I'm following right along with you, you make a hard left turn and lose me completely.

Looking for an asset? Check.

Expect accountability? Check.

Be a boyfriend not a bank? Check.

Pay $150 to fly a girl from Barranquilla to Bogota? What are you doing over there? You've already got a girl in Bogota, plus Santa Fe. Besides, Viva flies nonstop for about $50 round trip. Then just leave her stranded at the airport? That's a complete you-turn. Something about her was good enough to invest the equivalent of 10 Santa Fe fucks, to get her to Bogota, where you've already got more pussy than a crazy cat lady convention, but you're not willing to pay another $10 to keep those legs open the next time you're in Barranquilla? Or pay nothing at all and just give her 5 minutes of sympathy. Considering what you had already spent, you just screwed yourself to ruin someone else's day.

I'm not sure I'd call what you do a relationship. "I'll be in town for 3 days. We can fuck Tuesday at 10 am and Thursday at 3 pm. Don't be late and don't wear any make-up. Maybe I'll take you out for a drink Thursday night. " There's no reason to throw money at that, especially considering how many of those relationships you have going on around the world. Worst case, there's always plenty of hookers until you find another "girlfriend."

My view is different. If I like someone enough to fly her in, I'm committed. I'm asking if she's ever flown before. I'm walking her through the process. I'm making sure she is going to be on the plane. For the period we've agreed on, I've adopted her. She's my responsibility. I'll also impress upon her that she has responsibilities, mainly to be on the plane. If we're not both committed, I'm wasting money.

If the plane has a problem and diverts to Bucaramanga, I do what needs to be done to get her either to me, or back home. If I'm not willing to see the whole thing through until she's back home safe, there's no way I'm springing for a plane ticket. If she's worth the expense, she's worth enough to see it through.

The same holds true for a girl who catches a taxi to my apartment. Either I'm cancelling before she gets in the taxi, or I'm paying the taxi to take her home if I turn her away.

Well had a good first day or very good. I didn't get to the hotel till about 2 am then got up about 5:30. The SA girl I was tweaked had gotten a bit cold and business like on whatsapp. I agreed to 350 but I wanted much of her time. I meet the SA girl and we walked she spoke English fairly well and I enjoyed her company. I'm staying at the a hotel but I had gotten an airbnb. We went to the airbnb and it was a bit weird. We had to get buzzed in and she had to explain to the doorman. I didn't have my luggage (at the hotel) and of course I had the young girl with me. The desk guy called the owner and the SA girl spoke to her. Anyway, I'm hoping to keep both, but stay in the hotel. We'll see, as it's got to be obvious, I just want to use the airbnb as a fuck pad.

Anyway, that's what we did. She was so tight. It was covered, and, mostly, I can't even get off like that, but I did (eventually); not the same level, but still really enjoyed it. I know it's more many of you guys would pay but I really enjoyed the time I spent with her. I may try just a local guide site tomorrow. I can do sex separately, if I want it, but I enjoyed her as a translator as well (even if not cheap). I do hope to see here again. I was so enthralled I spent a lot of time on her. She said she enjoyed it 'too much'. Course that didn't really translate for me.

I sent woodman a email but, honestly, I may be asleep by the time he responds. Been a good day, but a long one.

Maybe I can catch up with him later.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423590]
When someone writes about a woman falling for them, I'm cynical. When she's at the bottom of the economic ladder and you're somewhere between the middle and the top, there's always an ulterior motive. It doesn't matter if she's as pure as Ivory soap. She sees dollar signs. You're spending enough money for her to support her family for 6 to 12 months, for a week's vacation.

Understand, most are good people. They're not trying to scam you. Most honestly believe they love you. You treat them nice, you're sweet, you buy them nice things, but your money is like a Snapchat filter; it turns a John Goodman into a Brad Pitt.[/QUOTE]Well, since I started this, I might as well expand on it. The typical short term working girl is going to try to get as many $$$ as she can when she meets you. As long as guys know the game, and they usually do, this is the expected behavior, a short term negotiation.

What I meant by the better ones not asking for money straight up is the second most sought after prize is a visa to America. I had a fiance visa where a girl stupidly broke up with me. I thank my stars on that now as she would have crushed me as I have seen how greedy and stubborn she was. One of the reasons I had such a hard time with this was how irrational she was being, but I am glad that I had the experience because I learned from it.

If the women can come to America and figure out a way to stay, and they have a transferable degree, they can make 10 X more than they can in Colombia, if they are willing to work, which is an issue for so many of them. I know a woman who sadly just got rejected for a visa. She knew everything about salaries in America from her cousins. She would have been an asset here in America. She is a pretty girl, a solid citizen, and a hard worker.

Of course, the big prize in marriage. It is funny that you say that JJBee about not being lower class because the most recent prospect I met is kind of upper class or upper middle class. She is crazy about me (and I her) comes from a well to do family, and it has an entirely different feel. She has offered to pay for my hotel, buy me cologne, hell she has even offered to sign a prenup. I haven't met anyone like her.

People may say because her family is wealthy she is not greedy, but she is in the sense that she can make out so well money wise from me even if it is not from me directly. Free room, free board, a portion of my pension if I were to die, a home if I die, a huge increase in her income, and the knowledge I have with investing and in my profession. She is so much smarter than anyone else I have met because she really sees the big money in the long term when so few do. That is why she was insulted when I even offered to give her a gift after sex. Every night I call her, and every night we have phone sex. She insists on it. I agree with what ME has said about wanting an asset versus a liability; it is just so hard to find one who gets that, and this one is unique in that she gets being an asset.

I have always thought there is huge money to be made in South America if you could find people to trust. Well, her family has done it, and she already has ideas about how we could earn money in the USA and retire to Colombia. Her family has run successful businesses there and know what it takes and how it can be done.

She even knows it. She told me that she had seven guys who currently want to go out with her, and she has had five boyfriends even though she is in her mid 20's. It is not like she is drop dead gorgeous but more like cute and just very bubbly. She told me the reason so many guys want to date her is, "I am pretty and fun but I also work hard. Most pretty girls do not work that hard here. " I could say that is much the same in the sex prison. Given that she has already made me a fantastic meal and gave me a killer massage and fucked the shit out of me, I believe her. I just have to make sure that she is not crazy.

Even if they are not interested in getting a visa, just getting to know the businessman traveling into their country may yield results. My ex spoke English, was so hot that when she dressed up every guy in the room who wasn't gay was drooling over her, and she had a charisma about her. So she could have made contacts. I told her that every American businessman is looking for a local they can trust, can translate honestly for them, and are looking to increase their sales. You just show them you want to be an asset and prove you are, and they will throw money at you. Sucking out money for the short term is what they always see especially with beautiful women and third world countries. The difference between Saudi Arabia and Venezuela is Venezuela did all it could to fuck over American and other foreign oil companies whereas the Saudis, as messed up as they are, worked with the oil companies for their mutual benefit.

Still, I have told the women that I have been serious with about the pitfalls of my engagement. I am only going to pay at most what a boyfriend pays and that is when we are together, and I am not going to be monogamous unless I directly say so. Of all the things that I am upset about with my ex was that I was in the land of cheap pussy, I was paying her an allowance because I thought she was going to be my wife, and she was refusing me sex. I am now painfully clear on this subject even with the women I am serious with. I am not giving away my monogamy for nothing. Spare me the shit about how faithful you are. I was engaged and there was a whole portion of my ex's life she hid from me. They are all like, "I am not like your ex", but there is no way for me to know otherwise.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423993]Pay $150 to fly a girl from Barranquilla to Bogota? What are you doing over there? You've already got a girl in Bogota, plus Santa Fe. Besides, Viva flies nonstop for about $50 round trip. Then just leave her stranded at the airport? That's a complete you-turn. Something about her was good enough to invest the equivalent of 10 Santa Fe fucks, to get her to Bogota, where you've already got more pussy than a crazy cat lady convention, but you're not willing to pay another $10 to keep those legs open the next time you're in Barranquilla? Or pay nothing at all and just give her 5 minutes of sympathy. Considering what you had already spent, you just screwed yourself to ruin someone else's day.[/QUOTE]I gave the general idea. I did not give all the minute details. I had been talking to this chick online for over a year. I was coming to Colombia and I didn't want to be running all over the country this time. So I was going to get her down to Bogota for a day and a half because I would have other things going on after that. So I needed the times to match up for the flights. Viva does not have as many flights as Avianca.

She had flown before but forgot about the security part. As a matter of fact one of the pictures in her profile was her inside the plane and that is how I initially started talking to her. I asked where she went.

After she told me that she missed the flight I looked online to see if anyone else had a flight leaving out. There was one. I forgot what compnay. But I told her to tell them I could give her my credit card number for the ticket. They said they would have to have the actual card. Must have been about 8:30 or 9 pm. How the hell could I get her some money to the airport in Barranquilla at that time? All options were exhausted on my end.

I didn't just say too bad so sad when she said she missed the flight. I am a foreigner in the country and I am in a city hundreds of miles away. She is in the place she grew up in.

[QUOTE=Funkytravel;2423027]So far one of my all time best worldwide: [URL]https://twitter.com/encuentrosandre?lang=en[/URL] been using for years and rarely disappointed. Between 70-100 $ per hour, outcall only. Specializes in students and only does 1 call per day per girl, so no tired pros there. They vet the girls, only cute GND types, GFE style.

Other agency I tried lately is [URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/schoolmodelscol[/URL]

![/QUOTE]Funky, thanks for sharing those! I'm not a twitter guy so would have never come across them otherwise. I've added both of them to my whatsapp and will have to set up some dates in between the the MPs / casas and Santa FE when I go in 3 weeks.

Cheers,

Lew.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2423993]

My view is different. If I like someone enough to fly her in, I'm committed. I'm asking if she's ever flown before. I'm walking her through the process. I'm making sure she is going to be on the plane. For the period we've agreed on, I've adopted her. She's my responsibility. I'll also impress upon her that she has responsibilities, mainly to be on the plane. If we're not both committed, I'm wasting money.

If the plane has a problem and diverts to Bucaramanga, I do what needs to be done to get her either to me, or back home. If I'm not willing to see the whole thing through until she's back home safe, there's no way I'm springing for a plane ticket. If she's worth the expense, she's worth enough to see it through.

The same holds true for a girl who catches a taxi to my apartment. Either I'm cancelling before she gets in the taxi, or I'm paying the taxi to take her home if I turn her away.[/QUOTE]Right on JjB!

You can order someone an UBER, Taxi, etc from a continent away if needed.

To each their own, but I agree with you completely here.

I spent the first half of the day at the Sunday Market then hit up Sante Fe I followed instructions from here [URL]https://girlsheavens.com/strip-clubs-in-bogota/[/URL] and went up 24 and turned on 15. I circled a few times and found a pretty Venezuelan. I over did and asked for an hour. (I just don't want to be rushed) she was very good. Covered and in territory that I wasn't completely comfortable in. (My guess is that's a good thing, keep wits about) Anyway, I paid 150 for an hour. She was going to let me go twice but I can't turn over that quickly. Prob at least 15 - 30 before I could try again. Anyway it went well but felt a rushed and again it took some effort on my part. Nothing against her, she was great.

I think I'll try a preppago next. Although, even though I've read it somewhere before, I'm not sure exactly how you pre-pay an independent from say that prepago photo site. I just like it because you can search for exactly what you want.

Tip-- either bring an unlocked phone or try to unlock it before you come. I have Tmobile and although I think well of them in general, I had hell trying to get my phone to work. I used a internet only sim yesterday and then today it locked and wouldn't connect. Had to spend hours trying to figure it out this morning.

First day SA was great. Second Santa Fe girl. Tomorrow, I'll try the prep.

Anyway, I'll take any advice.

Oh picked up antibiotics and plan-be. If nothing else cheap to take home but maybe I can give one away tomorrow.

They didn't have diazapam and clonazepam they had, but wanted prescription.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2424335]

I think I'll try a preppago next. Although, even though I've read it somewhere before, I'm not sure exactly how you pre-pay an independent from say that prepago photo site. I just like it because you can search for exactly what you want. [/QUOTE]LOL, it's just a word. You pay, not PRE-pay. Actually, do NOT prepay before getting serviced or you're almost guaranteed a lousy fuck.

Also, don't want to burst your bubble, but you shouldn't trust what you see or read on Photoprepago. Try to find girls with reviews.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2424335]I spent the first half of the day at the Sunday Market then hit up Sante Fe I followed instructions from here [URL]https://girlsheavens.com/strip-clubs-in-bogota/[/URL] and went up 24 and turned on 15. I circled a few times and found a pretty Venezuelan. I over did and asked for an hour. (I just don't want to be rushed) she was very good. Covered and in territory that I wasn't completely comfortable in. (My guess is that's a good thing, keep wits about) Anyway, I paid 150 for an hour. [/QUOTE]I think they saw the rich foreigner coming. Next time you should try to negotiate. In 15 years I have never even been told an initial price that high in Sante Fe for 1 hour. (Don't think I even paid that much in La Piscina.) You can get overnight for that. For 1 hour you should be paying no more than 80.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2424335]Tip-- either bring an unlocked phone or try to unlock it before you come. I have Tmobile and although I think well of them in general, I had hell trying to get my phone to work. I used a internet only sim yesterday and then today it locked and wouldn't connect. Had to spend hours trying to figure it out this morning.[/QUOTE]I have T-mobile as well. If you bought the phone from them, there should be an unlock app on it where you can unlock it yourself 6 times for 30 days each time until you pay the phone off. There is no need to buy phones from carriers anymore. You come out better buying one from the manufacturer that is already unlocked.

Hey guys,

I am a Medellin vet. I want to do a little Bogota high rolling on the North Side. Can anyone point me to an airbnb building that won't give me shit? I usually stay at Energy in Medellin.

[QUOTE=TimeKeeper281;2425131]Hey guys,

Can anyone point me to an airbnb building that won't give me shit? I usually stay at Energy in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Yes I can.

99% of Airbnb's will not give you shit. The only ones to avoid are ones where the owner notes how helpful they are as they are in the unit next door or live in the same building. Or where it specifically states no guests in the Airbnb info on that apartment, which is very very few.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2424545]I think they saw the rich foreigner coming. Next time you should try to negotiate. In 15 years I have never even been told an initial price that high in Sante Fe for 1 hour. (Don't think I even paid that much in La Piscina.) You can get overnight for that. For 1 hour you should be paying no more than 8..[/QUOTE]Already have unlocked phone at home. It came in right before I left, but I didn't want to try and mess with it yet. All my info is on my current phone.

I'm open to any suggestions. I'll try to negotiate more but in truth I'd rather pay more for GFE.

Oh I did try one of those that was from an earlier post. The first of the two twitter agencies. It replied they only went to homes. I could have probably used the airbnb, but I was comfortable in the hotel.

[QUOTE=TimeKeeper281;2425131]Hey guys,

I am a Medellin vet. I want to do a little Bogota high rolling on the North Side. Can anyone point me to an airbnb building that won't give me shit? I usually stay at Energy in Medellin.[/QUOTE]I don't know of any buildings where all or most are OK with guests. So nothing like Energy as far as I know. Just have to search Airbnb, read the "rules" section for each one, and ask the owner if you find one you like. Just a note. As you read the rules section for an Airbnb listing make sure you go to the second page (scroll down) as the rules for guests are not always at the top.

I appreciate it guys. I obviously will read the rules. If it is check in with doorman, I know they are not around. I will tip security as well. The girls I bring back don't look like pros. But I am high volume. Is the El Chico area ok?

[QUOTE=Diviant;2425325]I'm open to any suggestions. I'll try to negotiate more but in truth I'd rather pay more for GFE.[/QUOTE]How do you figure paying more gets GFE? I always pay as less as I can, but somehow almost always get GFE.

I will be at Bogota for 10 days from 29th March. I am trying to decide between staying at ibis hotel vs airbnb.

I prefer to stay close to public transport and walkable to San Fe action. This will help me to walk, use public transport or user / taxi depending on the time of the day.

Any suggestions / thoughts?

Also if you have any suggested girl friendly airbnb, please pm the same.

If anyone is around same time, I would love to explore together. I hope to explore all areas from noth to south per the detailed reports given by seniors.

Any advice about finding chicas on FB for Bogota? It's a big thing in MED, but I prefer Bogota. I just don't see much out there. Any leads?

I have had great success on Cupid, but wan to try other platforms?

Any advice?

I heard abut seeking arrangement, but don't know about it. Does it work?

Are there any sites in Spanish. Colombian sites?

How is TINDER in Bogota? Is that a thing?

Thanks guys!

MjT.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2425629]Any advice about finding chicas on FB for Bogota? It's a big thing in MED, but I prefer Bogota. I just don't see much out there. Any leads?

I have had great success on Cupid, but wan to try other platforms?

Any advice?

I heard abut seeking arrangement, but don't know about it. Does it work?

Are there any sites in Spanish. Colombian sites?

How is TINDER in Bogota? Is that a thing?

Thanks guys!

MjT.[/QUOTE]I know a lot of guys who have had a lot of luck with Tinder. I live 2 blocks from Santa Fe so that keeps me busy.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2425629]Any advice about finding chicas on FB for Bogota? It's a big thing in MED, but I prefer Bogota. I just don't see much out there. Any leads?

I have had great success on Cupid, but wan to try other platforms?

Any advice?

I heard abut seeking arrangement, but don't know about it. Does it work?

Are there any sites in Spanish. Colombian sites?

How is TINDER in Bogota? Is that a thing?

Thanks guys!

MjT.[/QUOTE]There really isn't a Facebook scene in Bogota. There are quite a few girls using Twitter. Search for prepago and masaje.

[QUOTE=TimeKeeper281;2425537]I appreciate it guys. I obviously will read the rules. If it is check in with doorman, I know they are not around. I will tip security as well. The girls I bring back don't look like pros. But I am high volume. Is the El Chico area ok?[/QUOTE]I'm sending you a PM with a couple of recommendations. In my experience, doorman and security are armed with a wave, and a gun. You and the ladies get the wave.

[QUOTE=MjTravelLove;2425629]Any advice about finding chicas on FB for Bogota? It's a big thing in MED, but I prefer Bogota. I just don't see much out there. Any leads?[/QUOTE]Scroll down or do a search. All these things have been talked about within the last 2 weeks.

I arrived from Medellin about 5:30 pm and sailed through getting my bag. I had asked the hotel to pick me up but nobody was there so I got a taxi. Just walked outside and hopped in a yellow cab. The cab driver was very cool. He spoke English pretty good and pointed out some places along the way. He said the place I was staying was Ok but to be sure and not walk down Avenida Caracas. I innocently asked him "why"? He said "there is a lot of drugs and prostitution there". "Oh, OK", I said. When he dropped me off he asked for 27 k pesos. The hotel was going to charge me 49 k.

I am staying at Hotel La Sabana which is within walking distance of some good museums as well as the disparaged Santa Fe area (just past Avenida Caracas). I unpacked my bags and started walking South. I was thinking I would go to a burger joint, but on the way I just wasn't hungry. So I went to the strip club on Avenida 8 called Casa Show Pasarela on the Google map. (Although it might be called something different now). 5 pesos for a beer. Girl alcohol drink 10 pesos. There were some good looking girls there and some not so much. Dark in there and smoky. I asked a girl about going to the room and she quoted me 60 k including the room. But it was only like 15 minutes. Compared to a lap dance it was a little longer as in the US and for $17 was $3 less expensive. Not to mention there was actually full body contact. But after Medellin I was really disappointed.

So I couldn't just go back to the club and enjoy another beer and the show because that girl was expecting to sit with me. I finished the beer and headed for Santa Fe (right after my taxi driver warned me not to!

I must have just walked as far as Calle 20 on Avenida Caracas when I started to see the street party that is Santa Fe. Lots and lots of people on the sides of the street with food venders etc. One old lady came out to entice me into her bar on the corner (I think CL. 20 ##14-32) and promised a beautiful girl, but all I saw were guys drinking so I passed. Then a school girl comes up to sell me something to raise money for school probably. It's like I have a sign on my back or something "GRINGO".

I cross the street and see people everywhere. One girl catches my attention and asks me to go with her for 37000. At this point I should have pulled out my contracts but wasn't sure if things are different here than Medellin. I just went with it. The hotel was 10 k and kind of mediocre. The girl gave me a CBJ and kept her top on. Otherwise she was cool, but I stopped about 20 minutes in because she had a cold. There was no knock on the door.

So I go out and walk around a bit until I get across the street from Texas bar on Carrara 16 and Calle 23 and I am just standing on the corner taking it all in. One of the guys touting the bar comes up and starts talking to me in English he promises me really pretty girls and (I look at the menu in his hand 15 k beer). Well I was going to pass but instead followed him in and got a 6 k water. All the girls were anything but "really pretty". I finished the water and left.

I walked up and down some streets, got queried by some beggars. Girls seemed friendly enough. I picked another girl and asked her how much. She said something like 37 k too. But this time I took out my contract for 30 minutes and showed it to her. (I talk about my contract in the Medellin thread). She said sure, let's go. So we walked quite a distance to a hotel. The price was 7 k (half hour). The room was nice and then she starts to re-negotiate. 37 k is not enough for everything on my contract. She wants 50 k. I thought about leaving. Could have left. But it was going to be worth it; so I stayed. She really left me wanting more when she looked at her watch and said "times up" (in Spanish of course). No knock yet! Whatever. We started cleaning up and then the knock.

As I walked back to hotel La Sabana on Calle 24 a female street urchin starts asking me for money and follows me to Avenida Caracas. After that it was an uneventful walk home.

Hey everyone,

This will be my first time in Bogota so I will need some help and assistance. I've been to many other mongering countries like: Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Costa Rica, Prague, Greece, and Mexico (Tijuana). I prefer the gogo bar / strip club brothels but I wanted to see if I can order a hottie straight to my room. I know there is a massive amount of sex work in Bogota and Medellin so I want to try it out. I will probably do the casas and clubs but I need solid online recommendations. I always contribute when I can especially to the Asian threads. Happy Mongering everyone and thanks in advance for the help.

[QUOTE=JamesOcla;2425941]Hey everyone,

This will be my first time in Bogota so I will need some help and assistance. I've been to many other mongering countries like: Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, Costa Rica, Prague, Greece, and Mexico (Tijuana). I prefer the gogo bar / strip club brothels but I wanted to see if I can order a hottie straight to my room. I know there is a massive amount of sex work in Bogota and Medellin so I want to try it out. I will probably do the casas and clubs but I need solid online recommendations. I always contribute when I can especially to the Asian threads. Happy Mongering everyone and thanks in advance for the help.[/QUOTE]There are many escort agencies in Bogota. Just search Google for "Prepagos" and you'll find a bunch of them.

Escort agencies are the second most expensive options in Bogota after the north side strip clubs. At the low end of the scale, you can pay around $10-$12 US. On the high end prices start around $100. A great number of options are available in the $50 range.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2419441]Don't know what the bullshit with the Tinder is in Bogota. Whenever I click on someone, nobody clicks back. The few that do, do it 4 days later after I have already left.

So yesterday while I was in Barranquilla, a beautiful 22 year old chick in Bogota clicked me back. She wanted to pussyfoot around, while I was trying to get to the root. Finally went to whatsapp where I pulled out of her that she would come stay with me all night for 280K. I said no way. That is way too much. She asked if I was one of the guys that pay 100K. I said that I mess with a lot of normal women so it is usually 0. But I am willing to help if she would give me a more realistic price. She said 230. I said yes, but that will include your taxi or bus or transmilenio or whatever. She said sure. So when I get back to Bogota Wednesday, she is supposed to come in the afternoon and stay til the next day.

Here is my question. When she was telling me about the 280, she said that one place she works charges 300K/30 min. That is when I told her that I didn't need to know about places because of free chicks. It didn't hit me til later on last night. So today I asked what place. She would not tell me exactly, but said in Zona Rosa there is some disco on 86. Does anyone know what.[/QUOTE]Dude, that's Casanovas. Basic be*es for 300 k and the touts have been known to mug people LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnDarkSmith;2420713]Hi guys,

I will be in Bogota (and Medellin) at the end of this month and I have a very specific question.

On my first trip there, I was hanging out, discovering a few clubs by myself, but after leaving, a taxi took me to a place I do unfortunately not remember the name or location. That is where you come into play, I would like to describe the place for you to see if it does seem like a place you know (because I would like to reach there when I will go back).

From what I remember, it was really looking like a house, a real big one, outside and inside. The main room was very large, with tables so you can seat and drink. There was a great amount of light inside (in comparison to dark clubs, it was really bright inside), seemed like there was marble, the ceiling was really high, all this giving the impression of a very luxury place. The line up there was made of around 60 beautiful women at the time I went, in 2016 I believe. I also think that it was on the north side of the city.

The atmosphere was calm, I would not say quiet, just calm.

Does anybody feels like this place remind him of somewhere?

I do thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]This is almost certainly Lido's. Super expensive in there. I heard girls charging 800 k for ST.

Beware of this number.

3115956869.

Uses these fake profiles.

It's a bait and switch.

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/carolain-22-anos-experta-disponibilidad-24-horas/15912249/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/bosa/chica-extrovertida-quiero-tener-sexo-contigo-no-me-hagas-esperar-tanto-id-88fdw[/URL]

I;m just putting this so it goes into the database of fake profiles and avoid anyone else from having to deal with nonese of bait & switch.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2426151]There are many escort agencies in Bogota. Just search Google for "Prepagos" and you'll find a bunch of them.

Escort agencies are the second most expensive options in Bogota after the north side strip clubs. At the low end of the scale, you can pay around $10-$12 US. On the high end prices start around $100. A great number of options are available in the $50 range.[/QUOTE]I used [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL]. Filter the ones that have the thumbs up recommendations reviews. Most seem to be around $100 k - $150 k and seem concentrated on the north side of Bogota, Usanquen and chapi ero. Some are incall and some do outcall. If you go for an incall I used Didi app to get there. It's basically like Colombian uber since Uber got kicked out of Colombia. It's been pretty reliable and cheap. If you do happen to do an incall in Usanquen, it seems like a pretty safe residential area.

Any suggested places for currency exchange. I will be using money changers not bank / ATM as I will have some physical $$.

Also do we need to convert only daily needs the amount in cop is large.

Any pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks.

I read lot of past posts in preparation for my upcoming trip. I never go to any mongering trip more than 4 days. This is my 1st trip with 10+ days.

I am mostly into girls from 18 to 22 years age. Are there any options to hire girl during the day and show the place around like a GF? How do I find the these type of girls?

Based on what I read, GFE / BBJ and DFK are not offered typically in the clubs / SW. Is that correct? How do I negotiate in advance? How much typically they charge for this?

I do enjoy GFE without FS like DFK / dances etc. What clubs are good for these? I am into FS but like 2 to 3 times a day. Rest of the time I need some Good action without FS.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Ggiovan4;2426692]I used [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL]. Filter the ones that have the thumbs up recommendations reviews. Most seem to be around $100 k - $150 k and seem concentrated on the north side of Bogota, Usanquen and chapi ero. Some are incall and some do outcall. If you go for an incall I used Didi app to get there. It's basically like Colombian uber since Uber got kicked out of Colombia. It's been pretty reliable and cheap. If you do happen to do an incall in Usanquen, it seems like a pretty safe residential area.[/QUOTE]Just as a heads up, generally escorts work from 10 am-6 pm in Bogotá. You might get ones as late as 8-9 pm, even that's a stretch. Part of the reason is that many of these girls have families that don't know what they do for a living, another part is that they don't want to wait on drunk people.

Also, you can use Beat and Picap apps, they are better than DiDi, which is a Chinese knock-off of Uber.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2424041]I gave the general idea. I did not give all the minute details. I had been talking to this chick online for over a year. I was coming to Colombia and I didn't want to be running all over the country this time. So I was going to get her down to Bogota for a day and a half because I would have other things going on after that. So I needed the times to match up for the flights. Viva does not have as many flights as Avianca.

She had flown before but forgot about the security part. As a matter of fact one of the pictures in her profile was her inside the plane and that is how I initially started talking to her. I asked where she went.

After she told me that she missed the flight I looked online to see if anyone else had a flight leaving out. There was one. I forgot what compnay. But I told her to tell them I could give her my credit card number for the ticket. They said they would have to have the actual card. Must have been about 8:30 or 9 pm. How the hell could I get her some money to the airport in Barranquilla at that time? All options were exhausted on my end.

I didn't just say too bad so sad when she said she missed the flight. I am a foreigner in the country and I am in a city hundreds of miles away. She is in the place she grew up in.[/QUOTE]IKR! White knights detected in this forum LOL!

Guys, she's a goddamn adult person. Colombians aren't children and they aren't stupid either. Why such low expectations? She had a plane ticked bought for her, would have had expenses paid for her the whole time, and she couldn't even get it together to get to the airport on time? Forget her! Man, I wouldn't even coddle my kids the way some of why'all would do a stranger. Sick.

I made it back to Bogota again and hooked up with another girl from eroticasbogota dot com. Easy text contact through Whatsapp and she came to my room in 1 hour. Full GFE both times. I was even able to get pics and video of both session. Both girls gave me their numbers for future encounters though there's so many others I want to try. Now, I'll be heading back next week and I want to explore a little this time. Being by myself I'm not ready to go to SF just yet but I'd like to hear some recommendations on "casas" or "clubs" in the Chapinero area. I stay at the JW if that helps. I have no problem getting more girls from the site I mentioned above as they are crazy cheap compared to the US, but it sounds like I can get some better deals elsewhere. Thanks in advance.

TH.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2426736]Any suggested places for currency exchange. I will be using money changers not bank / ATM as I will have some physical $$.

Also do we need to convert only daily needs the amount in cop is large.

Any pointers will be appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Closest to SF is in Teqendama hotel [URL]https://atcambios.com/[/URL].

Also a few on Avineda Gimenez just east of carrera 7.

As mentioned ad nauseum in this thread, ATMs are Better if you can get low-Free fees. Banco Pinchicha you can get 1 million per withdrawal-- there are 2 about 1 + miles from SF.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2427052]I read lot of past posts in preparation for my upcoming trip. I never go to any mongering trip more than 4 days. This is my 1st trip with 10+ days.

I am mostly into girls from 18 to 22 years age. Are there any options to hire girl during the day and show the place around like a GF? How do I find the these type of girls?

Based on what I read, GFE / BBJ and DFK are not offered typically in the clubs / SW. Is that correct? How do I negotiate in advance? How much typically they charge for this?

I do enjoy GFE without FS like DFK / dances etc. What clubs are good for these? I am into FS but like 2 to 3 times a day. Rest of the time I need some Good action without FS.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Many Hot Streetie Sweeties available day and night in SF. Many are open to outside dates, how is your hooker game?

As I have said previously, it is best too get a quickee and see what the GFE possibilities are. See if you want to spend more $$ and time.

Don't worry about negotiating in advance, negotiate in present.

Also clubs like Atonis, La Casona, Venus, California and Texas tend to have newer younger. Better prices for sessions upstairs are possible. Lapdances as low as 10 mil. Usually at night they will have 3 girl special lapdances for $15-$20 mil.

Of course Troya, Paisa and Fiebre will have some young hotties too. PM me for a my special SF tour.

[QUOTE]
Based on what I read, GFE / BBJ and DFK are not offered typically in the clubs / SW. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]Thats correct.

[QUOTE]
How do I negotiate in advance?[/QUOTE]In spanish.

[QUOTE]
How much typically they charge for this?[/QUOTE]Streetie sweetie asked me for 20 k for BBBJ.

[QUOTE]
I do enjoy GFE without FS like DFK / dances etc. What clubs are good for these?[/QUOTE]All of them. If you want a name then try Troya which is woodman's fav.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2427218] All of them. If you want a name then try Troya which is woodman's fav.[/QUOTE]Troya used to be my favorite and is still great. My new favorite is Atonis, La Casona and Venus, They have newer hotter younger cuties. Real slutty too.

10 mil lapdances and there are some great fun girls there. I have played doctor with a few.

Actually, last week me and a friend got a lapdance and this girl was letting me fingerbang her which was good for a while, I got tired of doing it LOL. Some even let me pull their hair while lapdancing. Not that I really wanted too. I just wanted to see if she would let me, LOL.

Some will smile and move your hand if you get to touchy there. I like to grab the sides just outside the lips and spread them. Have not had an odor problem yet, LOL. Some super hot girls there to have fun with.

Also there are real lesbo shows and trio strip teasers all 3 will come off the stage and give you and your friends a lapdance for 15-20 mil. I have sessioned in those places for 50 mil sometimes more.

I went to SF this morning at 8. There is a bakery I like to get breakfast at, great caldo costilla. I saw 6 or 10 hot streetie sweeties this was just walking through part. After breakfast 8;30 walking out I saw more pretty hot girls out, like 15. There are some nice girls that do the early shift.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2427052]I am mostly into girls from 18 to 22 years age. Are there any options to hire girl during the day and show the place around like a GF? How do I find the these type of girls?[/QUOTE]First of all, there isn't much to see. Second of all, 99% of chicks have not been to what there is to see and would not even know where to take you. It would be better for you to look on tripadvisor and go to Cathedral of Salt and Montserrat on your own. The only place some chick is going to know to take you would be Zona Rosa.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2427052]I read lot of past posts in preparation for my upcoming trip. I never go to any mongering trip more than 4 days. This is my 1st trip with 10+ days.

I am mostly into girls from 18 to 22 years age. Are there any options to hire girl during the day and show the place around like a GF? How do I find the these type of girls?

Based on what I read, GFE / BBJ and DFK are not offered typically in the clubs / SW. Is that correct? How do I negotiate in advance? How much typically they charge for this?

I do enjoy GFE without FS like DFK / dances etc. What clubs are good for these? I am into FS but like 2 to 3 times a day. Rest of the time I need some Good action without FS.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]My observation was that the girls to be concentrated along 23rd. They were mostly Venezuelans in this area. I had two Venezuelans and 2 Colombians. Prices that I was quoted were: 35 k - 40 k for short term and 60 k-70 k for hh, one offered anal for an additional 80 k. With 3 of them that I selected I couldn't get them to do BBBJ or much else.

Saturday night, there was a Colombian to the left of California on 23rd that I hadn't seen the previous days. Her name was Tatiana. She was short, white, shoulder length blonde hair, big lips, big amazing natural tits, and dressed like a librarian. Honestly, at first I thought she was like a cashier or something by the way she was dressed. Initially, she quoted me 35 k for short term but once inside I ended up spending about $150 k. I didn't really care about the money because It was for a longer session, she had a unique look, and I got the works from her. Really amazing GFE session: LFK, sucked on big amazing tits, FIV, DATY, 69, sucked my balls, even bent her over doggy style and ate her out with her ass in my face. At the end of the session she gave me her number and said that If I wanted to, I could call her on Sunday and hang out, get something to eat, and then obviously have a session and she wouldn't charge for the all that time, just the cost of an hour session or so. With this in mind, I have to believe that there are other chicks that would be willing to show you around as well.

I know RTFF, but I already read the forum, and I wanted to ask ONLY the senior guys with recent experience a question.

Assume you are an older world traveler with lots of game, street smarts, and fluent Spanish, but first time in Bogota.

Assume you like the thin young types.

Assume you want to spend the first few days interviewing and then the last few days GFE with the best of the bunch.

Assume a budget of $100-200 a day for everything. As for hotel, you don't need luxury, but no bedbugs, no guest fees and walking distance to venues if possible.

What would be the perfect week?

Rough breakdown of costs?

Hotels, bars, ads, street areas?

Thanks!

Go before dark. And don't read anything about it before you go. It will enhance your sense of adventure. Just do it! Have your own personal experience. Feel like your first visit to Tijuana when you were 18. Take condoms. Don't take more than 200,000 pesos and expect to pay a girl as low as 35,000? And check ID's if in doubt and you will BE in doubt a LOT. Then come back and tell us what a motha fuckin' hero you felt like. Then get your next ticket to Colombia!

Santa Fe fell'as. The last of world's shrinking venues that rocks!

[QUOTE=Ggiovan4;2427334]My observation was that the girls to be concentrated along 23rd. They were mostly Venezuelans in this area. I had two Venezuelans and 2 Colombians. Prices that I was quoted were: 35 k - 40 k for short term and 60 k-70 k for hh, one offered anal for an additional 80 k. With 3 of them that I selected I couldn't get them to do BBBJ or much else.

Saturday night, there was a Colombian to the left of California on 23rd that I hadn't seen the previous days. Her name was Tatiana. She was short, white, shoulder length blonde hair, big lips, big amazing natural tits, and dressed like a librarian. Honestly, at first I thought she was like a cashier or something by the way she was dressed. Initially, she quoted me 35 k for short term but once inside I ended up spending about $150 k. I didn't really care about the money because It was for a longer session, she had a unique look, and I got the works from her. Really amazing GFE session: LFK, sucked on big amazing tits, FIV, DATY, 69, sucked my balls, even bent her over doggy style and ate her out with her ass in my face. At the end of the session she gave me her number and said that If I wanted to, I could call her on Sunday and hang out, get something to eat, and then obviously have a session and she wouldn't charge for the all that time, just the cost of an hour session or so. With this in mind, I have to believe that there are other chicks that would be willing to show you around as well.[/QUOTE]**The 18-22 girls seemed concentrate outside along 23rd and southernmost part of 15th and 16th and were mostly Venezuelan. The older ones were mostly on north side and 24th and are mostly Colombian.

Thank you all for the responses.

[QUOTE=Ggiovan4;2427334]My observation was that the girls to be concentrated along 23rd. They were mostly Venezuelans in this area. I had two Venezuelans and 2 Colombians. Prices that I was quoted were: 35 k - 40 k for short term and 60 k-70 k for hh, one offered anal for an additional 80 k. With 3 of them that I selected I couldn't get them to do BBBJ or much else.

Saturday night, there was a Colombian to the left of California on 23rd that I hadn't seen the previous days. Her name was Tatiana. She was short, white, shoulder length blonde hair, big lips, big amazing natural tits, and dressed like a librarian. Honestly, at first I thought she was like a cashier or something by the way she was dressed. Initially, she quoted me 35 k for short term but once inside I ended up spending about $150 k. I didn't really care about the money because It was for a longer session, she had a unique look, and I got the works from her. Really amazing GFE session: LFK, sucked on big amazing tits, FIV, DATY, 69, sucked my balls, even bent her over doggy style and ate her out with her ass in my face. At the end of the session she gave me her number and said that If I wanted to, I could call her on Sunday and hang out, get something to eat, and then obviously have a session and she wouldn't charge for the all that time, just the cost of an hour session or so. With this in mind, I have to believe that there are other chicks that would be willing to show you around as well.[/QUOTE]

[blue][Personal message deleted by Admin][/blue]

[blue]==============================================

Gentlemen,

[b]Please communicate personal messages via the PM System[/b]

The Open Forum is generally intended for the posting of information that is of interest to all readers.

Please use the Forum's Private Message system to exchange [u]personal[/u] information and make [u]personal[/u] plans.

[i]Thank You[/i][/blue]

[QUOTE=Ggiovan4;2427368]**The 18-22 girls seemed concentrate outside along 23rd and southernmost part of 15th and 16th and were mostly Venezuelan. The older ones were mostly on north side and 24th and are mostly Colombian.[/QUOTE]Actually, there is a whole other 2 block stroll of Venezuelan and Colombian girls 2 blocks south. Many hot 18-20 somethings. Calle 20 and Carrera 15 I wrote a post last year with photos.

Thank you for the post.

Is the ID girls carry easy to verify if I don't know Spanish. Any do and don't for this as this seems to be one of biggest risk here.

[QUOTE=PirateMorgan;2427367]Go before dark. And don't read anything about it before you go. It will enhance your sense of adventure. Just do it! Have your own personal experience. Feel like your first visit to Tijuana when you were 18. Take condoms. Don't take more than 200,000 pesos and expect to pay a girl as low as 35,000? And check ID's if in doubt and you will BE in doubt a LOT. Then come back and tell us what a motha fuckin' hero you felt like. Then get your next ticket to Colombia!

Santa Fe fell'as. The last of world's shrinking venues that rocks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2427285]I went to SF this morning at 8. There is a bakery I like to get breakfast at, great caldo costilla. I saw 6 or 10 hot streetie sweeties this was just walking through part. After breakfast 8;30 walking out I saw more pretty hot girls out, like 15. There are some nice girls that do the early shift.[/QUOTE]I love the early shift also, for the same reasons. The bakery I frequent is Panderia Pasteleria La Pureza on the corner of CL. 22 and Cra 17.

On first glance the corner can look kinda sketchy, but it's a relaxed vibe, a block off the action.

[QUOTE=Ggiovan4;2427368]**The 18-22 girls seemed concentrate outside along 23rd and southernmost part of 15th and 16th and were mostly Venezuelan. The older ones were mostly on north side and 24th and are mostly Colombian.[/QUOTE]Actually, at busy times there are 18-20 something hotties all the way around that block, and also from 22nd to 23 d on Cr 15, You can miss out if you don't check.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2427730]Thank you for the post.

Is the ID girls carry easy to verify if I don't know Spanish. Any do and don't for this as this seems to be one of biggest risk here.[/QUOTE]The Colombian cedula is a white plastic card, similar to a driver's license. It's not a pure white, sort of a dingy white. On the front is the cedula number in this format:

1.555.444.333.

Beneath that is the person's names on 2 lines, "apellidos" and "nombres". That would be their last names, most have 2, and their first and middle names. Such as:

Smith Jones.

Suzy Dianne.

At the bottom is their signature and to the right is a photo.

On the back, top left is a thumbprint. Top line is place and date of birth. Date format is standard military format, day, month, year:

22 Abr 1999 for April 22,1999.

Next line is height, blood type and sex. Height is in meters 1.54,1. 62,1.93. Below that is the date and office when and where the cedula was issued. At the bottom is a barcode.

The Venezuelan cedula has all the information on the front and has a red stripe. Can't remember much more about it.

How to spot a fake? Look at the picture. A lot of girls borrow someone's cedula, or use a stolen one. Check the height. If it says 1.70 and you're talking to a short girl, it's probably not her cedula. None of that will help you if she bought a good fake cedula. When in doubt, walk away.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2428125]

The Venezuelan cedula has all the information on the front and has a red stripe. Can't remember much more about it.

How to spot a fake? Look at the picture. A lot of girls borrow someone's cedula, or use a stolen one. Check the height. If it says 1.70 and you're talking to a short girl, it's probably not her cedula. None of that will help you if she bought a good fake cedula. When in doubt, walk away.[/QUOTE]Here is a copy of a Venezuelan ID. There is a 5 or 6 digit number (believe it's in red or green ink) on the back. The ID should be somewhat firm. Fakes that are sold in Santa Fe are somewhat flimsy and may not have the number on the back. A regular told me that they sell them for 40 K.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2427970]I love the early shift also, for the same reasons. The bakery I frequent is Panderia Pasteleria La Pureza on the corner of CL. 22 and Cra 17.

On first glance the corner can look kinda sketchy, but it's a relaxed vibe, a block off the action.[/QUOTE]That is a nice bakery. A little off the beaten track. That corner is a nice place to watch people it is like a village.

I usually go to the new one on CL 23 between 16 and 16 a. All the bakeries have crappy coffee there, but they have good breakfast and fresh exotic fruit juice.

Also super hot hookers come in and out. I have shared a meal with one of my girlfriends there. There are some decent places to eat in SF.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2427970]I love the early shift also, for the same reasons. The bakery I frequent is Panderia Pasteleria La Pureza on the corner of CL. 22 and Cra 17.

On first glance the corner can look kinda sketchy, but it's a relaxed vibe, a block off the action.[/QUOTE]The early shift, morning and early afternoon are a good time thru out Latin and South America. Seems many chippers tell their families they work a reg job and consequently need to be home by late afternoon to keep them in the dark about her real 'job' .

Review is below, but quick question. I need to go back to Bogota for week starting March 29th. I have the opportunity to stay until April 15th, but that is right around Easter. Am I wasting my time staying that long? I can stay as little as a week, but would like to stay longer if I can have some fun. I plan on going back to Santa Fe and check out other spots like mezzanine.

I was recently in Bogota Feb 9th through the 16th. I had been 1 time before and ended up at one of the expensive clubs, and this time I wanted to try out Santa Fe. I contacted Woodman, and after a failed attempt on my part earlier in the week, I hired him for a tour Saturday early evening / night. Long story short, it was like a kid in a candy store. I felt safe the whole time, but it was kind of nice seeing it in the light to start. We met right outside of Sante Fe and he gave me a nice tour. He said it was a little early at 6:30 pm, but I had a flight to catch. After going through the various streets, we went into a couple of clubs. It was still a little early and the street girls were much better than the clubs. We went back to one of the first girls that I came across which was a petite spinner type to talk. She originally wanted 60 k, but Woodman talked to her and agreed to 40 k for 20 minutes. We went upstairs and had an amazing time. I don't speak any Spanish, so couldn't even ask for extras, so everything was covered. Still, she was extremely girl next door and so hot that it didn't matter. We then walked around a bit more and ended up in another club. We ended up getting a lap dance for 6+ songs for 20 k. She had us finger banging her and she going wild, so that was a lot of fun. After that we walked around some more and I found another amazing spinner. Same 40,000 and tried to get BBBJ, but no luck. It was a ton of fun though, and the perfect way to spend my last night in Bogota I need to learn Spanish!

I can't recommend Woodman enough.

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2428653]Am I wasting my time staying that long? [/QUOTE]I go during Semana, and for longer. No question there are a couple of quiet days, so bear that in mind.

But it suits me and there is always fun to be had.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2428628]The early shift, morning and early afternoon are a good time thru out Latin and South America. Seems many chippers tell their families they work a reg job and consequently need to be home by late afternoon to keep them in the dark about her real 'job' .[/QUOTE]Yes, also in the daytime casas in Chapinero and clubs away from Santa Fe are hot housewives working on the down-low.

Headed to Bogota in three weeks. Is Tequendama close to all the action? How are they with letting the girls in?

[QUOTE=DeeVices;2428971]Headed to Bogota in three weeks. Is Tequendama close to all the action? How are they with letting the girls in?[/QUOTE]Teqendama Suites is better for bringing girls back. Many ISGers agree.

[URL]https://www.tequendamasuites.com/[/URL]

I just left Peru and had a great time without a guide and about to visit Bogota this Sunday through Tuesday. I am trying to get in touch with Woodman for a tour.

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2428653]Review is below, but quick question. I need to go back to Bogota for week starting March 29th. I have the opportunity to stay until April 15th, but that is right around Easter. Am I wasting my time staying that long? I can stay as little as a week, but would like to stay longer if I can have some fun. I plan on going back to Santa Fe and check out other spots like mezzanine.

I was recently in Bogota Feb 9th through the 16th. I had been 1 time before and ended up at one of the expensive clubs, and this time I wanted to try out Santa Fe. I contacted Woodman, and after a failed attempt on my part earlier in the week, I hired him for a tour Saturday early evening / night. Long story short, it was like a kid in a candy store. I felt safe the whole time, but it was kind of nice seeing it in the light to start. We met right outside of Sante Fe and he gave me a nice tour. He said it was a little early at 6:30 pm, but I had a flight to catch. After going through the various streets, we went into a couple of clubs. It was still a little early and the street girls were much better than the clubs. We went back to one of the first girls that I came across which was a petite spinner type to talk. She originally wanted 60 k, but Woodman talked to her and agreed to 40 k for 20 minutes. We went upstairs and had an amazing time. I don't speak any Spanish, so couldn't even ask for extras, so everything was covered. Still, she was extremely girl next door and so hot that it didn't matter. We then walked around a bit more and ended up in another club. We ended up getting a lap dance for 6+ songs for 20 k. She had us finger banging her and she going wild, so that was a lot of fun. After that we walked around some more and I found another amazing spinner. Same 40,000 and tried to get BBBJ, but no luck. It was a ton of fun though, and the perfect way to spend my last night in Bogota I need to learn Spanish!

I can't recommend Woodman enough.[/QUOTE]Good feedback to this forum and sure to be useful to others. I know Woodman, met him about a year ago while he was giving another monger a tour in SF, we walked and talked and checked out the street chica and bars / clubs, all is good, he is a straight up legit guy who know more about SF than probably any other person in the whole of Bogota.

Sounds like you had a good time.

The Tall Man.

Hey what's a good time to get to Paisa Club at on Saturday?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2429367]Hey what's a good time to get to Paisa Club at on Saturday?[/QUOTE]Yes! Sometime after dark, I think they open about 5 pm but the girls do not come in on time.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2429398]Yes! Sometime after dark, I think they open about 5 pm but the girls do not come in on time.[/QUOTE]There are usually a nice assortment about 8 and than there will be another wave of girls by 9.

[QUOTE=TaderHead;2427118]I made it back to Bogota again and hooked up with another girl from eroticasbogota dot com. Easy text contact through Whatsapp and she came to my room in 1 hour. Full GFE both times. I was even able to get pics and video of both session. Both girls gave me their numbers for future encounters though there's so many others I want to try.

TH.[/QUOTE]Can you please provide more actionable details, name, link, damage? This type of mongering is right up my alley, and I'll be staying in the same area in a week or 2. Thanks!

There's some really good looking young street talent in the vicinity of the Monaco building near Calle 20 and Carrera 15 b. No problem getting them for 30 k and room for 7 k. Speak confidently and firmly with a smile. Motorcycles everywhere cruising around. More motorcycles than cars. No need to hightail it out of Santa Fe after dark. No problems. Stick around and enjoy yourself.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2429592]There's some really good looking young street talent in the vicinity of the Monaco building near Calle 20 and Carrera 15 b. No problem getting them for 30 k and room for 7 k. Speak confidently and firmly with a smile. Motorcycles everywhere cruising around. More motorcycles than cars. No need to hightail it out of Santa Fe after dark. No problems. Stick around and enjoy yourself.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the south stroll. There are bars to watch the action on the street. 2.5 mil beers. It is safe as long as you take care. Very ghetto.

Thank you all for the responses and pictures too.

With all news on corona virus, anything visible impact / observations in Bogota or Santa Fe?

[QUOTE=JonSnow1;2428178]Here is a copy of a Venezuelan ID. There is a 5 or 6 digit number (believe it's in red or green ink) on the back. The ID should be somewhat firm. Fakes that are sold in Santa Fe are somewhat flimsy and may not have the number on the back. A regular told me that they sell them for 40 K.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2429767]Yes, that is the south stroll. There are bars to watch the action on the street. 2.5 mil beers. It is safe as long as you take care. Very ghetto.[/QUOTE]Made a few recent runs down there and the lineups were nice on that block. The area was jumping. It was a hotspot. 30 k to Play!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2430057]Made a few recent runs down there and the lineups were nice on that block. The area was jumping. It was a hotspot. 30 k to Play![/QUOTE]Yep, when busy 200 girls.

[QUOTE=SamPeter71;2429936]Thank you all for the responses and pictures too.

With all news on corona virus, anything visible impact / observations in Bogota or Santa Fe?[/QUOTE]Not yet, But it is in Ecuador from Spain a few days ago.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2420869]I think you are describing club LIDO. It is in calle 95 carrera 14. Very expensive place by the way.[/QUOTE]I confirm, it is Lido.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2426151]There are many escort agencies in Bogota. Just search Google for "Prepagos" and you'll find a bunch of them.

Escort agencies are the second most expensive options in Bogota after the north side strip clubs. At the low end of the scale, you can pay around $10-$12 US. On the high end prices start around $100. A great number of options are available in the $50 range.[/QUOTE]So the midrange you are referring to is the casas correct? One of my friends that visits Bogota swears that the casas are the best value and quality. I also noticed people talking about Venus, Atonis, etc. Are those strip clubs where you can FS in a connecting room?

[QUOTE=JamesOcla;2430798]So the midrange you are referring to is the casas correct? One of my friends that visits Bogota swears that the casas are the best value and quality. I also noticed people talking about Venus, Atonis, etc. Are those strip clubs where you can FS in a connecting room?[/QUOTE]The Santa Fe clubs for FS quickees is $15-$40 Plus, Atonis, Venus, La Casona, California, Texas are where they on the less expensive side. I find those clubs have newer funner girls.

I went last night and visited Atonis and Venus, Very nice. Streets were decent, overall it was a pretty good- not the best action. The guys I was with were blown away.

Unbelievably, I got caught smoking a roach by 2 cops on a moto and they let me go, without a bribe! They pulled up right beside me coming around a corner and one said ¨Don't eat it, throw it on the ground¨ I knew if I ate it that would just piss them off and I was resigned to paying off. So I did as told and he told me to give it to him and pulled out 20 mil (1st offer) and said ¨solo tengo eso¨he shook his head and I thought they were going to shake me down but they just drove off. I was gobsmacked and had to sit down. I have been shaken down a few times in the past so this came as a pleasant surprise.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2430951]The Santa Fe clubs for FS quickees is $15-$40 Plus, Atonis, Venus, La Casona, California, Texas are where they on the less expensive side. I find those clubs have newer funner girls.

I went last night and visited Atonis and Venus, Very nice. Streets were decent, overall it was a pretty good- not the best action. The guys I was with were blown away.

Unbelievably, I got caught smoking a roach by 2 cops on a moto and they let me go, without a bribe! They pulled up right beside me coming around a corner and one said Don't eat it, throw it on the ground I knew if I ate it that would just piss them off and I was resigned to paying off. So I did as told and he told me to give it to him and pulled out 20 mil (1st offer) and said solo tengo esohe shook his head and I thought they were going to shake me down but they just drove off. I was gobsmacked and had to sit down. I have been shaken down a few times in the past so this came as a pleasant surprise.[/QUOTE]Great information. So it's probably a good thing to visit the casas and the clubs, just to change it up a bit. I will be down there from March 27 to April 1 so I think I have enough time to dabble. I also want to visit some coffee farms in the region since I'm in the business.

Man that's nuts that the cops didn't take anything. Very rare occurrence, but enjoy it haha.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2430199]Not yet, But it is in Ecuador from Spain a few days ago.[/QUOTE]There were 4 cases as of last week, probably a few more now and what is scary to me is that the US is considered by Colombia as a high risk country so passengers coming from US are under a higher scrutiny. Not sure exactly what that means but probably if you cough or have sniffles you will most likely be checked out for fever etc. Ecuador is also a high risk country on the list.

Been spending a few days there, came back a few hours ago.

I had a great time. Just one fail with a day time worker in Santa Fe, otherwise, only super great to very neutral adventures there.

Spent time in la avenida 1 er de mayo, yes, be extra careful there. Some clubs, most of them actually are cool, but some are really ready for the extortion, and it just goes trap after trap. I have spent some hot time with a few girls there (no bed time) and this is part of what I like. Had some absolutely great time in the casas in Chapinero. Girls were really cool with me, most of them at least, some were more on the neutral side.

I have spent quite some time in Santa Fe, and met some of the hottest one (in term of service) but those were kind of rare overall. Visited Lido to see, went to pussy house and the one right across the street, did nothing there but having a drink.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2428736]I go during Semana, and for longer. No question there are a couple of quiet days, so bear that in mind.

But it suits me and there is always fun to be had.[/QUOTE]Lots of places will be closed from Thursday to Sunday. I remember one Holy Thursday, I rented a car in San Jose, Costa Rica to drive to my novias in P Zeledon. It's a toll road as you go thru Cartago and there was no toll collectors at all. Everyone was off jajaj. I made the mistake of going during Semana Santa once and that was a big mistake. I remember walking around and around in the Del Rey and I couldn't find one girl I liked. I still travel on Semana Santa as I will next month to Bogota but only to see my girl. Now I only go to see my girl or if I have a date to go to the playa.

As the member said above, there will always be some talent around but be prepared for some slim pickens.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2431257]There were 4 cases as of last week, probably a few more now and what is scary to me is that the US is considered by Colombia as a high risk country so passengers coming from US are under a higher scrutiny. Not sure exactly what that means.[/QUOTE]It means they take your temperature. I flew through customs as usual.

[QUOTE=JohnDarkSmith;2431427]........... Just one fail with a day time worker in Santa Fe..........[/QUOTE]What was the nature of the fail? Was it you or was it her?

Hello fellow Mongers!

I just got back from Medellin for a work trip and had great success there! I didn't pay more for than 150 k pesos (but I mostly met with massage girls get their numbers and let them call me on slow days). It looks like there is just as much to do in Bogota so I had a few questions for those of you who feel you are well versed in our hobby there.

My first question is what are your top pick brothels? I don't like going to places when they are absolutely packed. I usually go around 10 or 2 pm. I have had success with this method because there are far less guys there if any and I get my pick of girl. I also feel when it is slower I get a better price negotiation.

My second question is what is your price cap for the strip clubs? What is the most you would be willing to part with when you go to one of the Strip clubs. In Medellin my limit was 200 k Peso, but I've come to find out that I was getting pretty good deals there. I can afford up to 400 k for a girl a day, but if I go that high I would want them for multiple hours.

My last question is what are the best times a day to find talent in Santa Fe, and what is your price cap for one of these girls? I want to go clubbing in the nice areas of Bogota and I was thinking of hiring one of the street girls to join me. I feel a decent price cap for one of them is around 60-80 k per hour and I would expect sex at the end of the night.

I have never been to Bogota and my trip to Medellin was my first. I was there for two months and got back to the states a week ago. I know the whole routine about hiring a taxi driver and having them show me the places, but I would like to get your input on what you feel has the best value and girls so that I can try them out as well! I appreciate any help you may give me!

Been here about 2 week now and with the corona virus it's been delayed so I got extra time to kill here.

Sophia 40 K plus 20 K tip oral natural.

I went and saw my favorite blowjob queen that is in this casa in Chapinero. I don't know the name just that it has a blue door and I walk past a bunch of industrial construction shops and a gas station that has been torn down. Let me tell you this girl gives outstanding head. She is enthusiastic, soft and suave with it. I really feel like I'm getting a BJ from a girl who's mouth is made of Silk and pillows. She is skinny and does have a small see section scar that you don't really notice unless you are looking. I don't think I've ever actually had intercourse with her because her head game is soo strong. I show up, she knows what I want and gives it to me. Recently she started offering a facial for an additional 20 K so I tried it. It was ok, she is not as into it but she trusts me and is happy to make me happy. Overall I think I've seen her 3 times since I just don't want to deal with the BS.

Random Vnz Mariel 120 K plus 50 K for beers at Venus.

I was at Santa Fe this past night. I went to the Paisa club. It was a fun time, it's probably the best-looking place in terms of Decore. The guys serving the tables are very attentive and help me if I am looking for something. I bounced after not really finding the good connection I was searching for. I wound up walking to a couple of clubs and finally settled on Venus. I met a paisa waiter who knew what I was looking for. Really pretty face. I got one but she has braces attached to her. It was sort of late around 2:20. We were clicking but when I tried to kiss her she told me just not here. I was cool and she said since the club is closing it's better for us to leave. I told her I have a great apartment in Chapinero and we should go. Took the taxi and she was enjoying the view as she sipped the remainder of her Corna with a straw. She was hungry and I had some snacks. Finally, we got our clothes off and were hanging out in the bed. The problem was when she was kissing, she was jsut doing the pecks. No DFK like promised. I asked her what was up and she said she was shy. But then she just would be sort of weird or stupid and start singing spanish songs she knew from the club. , Her pusst was very nice looking and when I rubbed it she went into automatic fast gyrations. Despite the braces and no DFK she actually gave a pretty decent BJ. When she put her hair up I could really see the beauty of her 21 yo face and her big full lips with slutty working girl make up she wore on her eyes. I put on the rubber and inside her little tight pussy I went. I couldn't go too deep cause spreading her legs was not enjoyable for her. She wanted in quarto but when we did and she grabbed my knish, her fingernail jammed into me! Ouch! I lost my hard-on as it was really painful and pulled off the rubber. She was sorry. We just laid down and eventually, I just got her to give me a HJ and BJ. I thought she was staying later but she was complaining about not seeing her kid and she was picking her nose! Gross. As I was getting dressed she made a comment to my belly because I drank soo much cervasa I was bloated. I didn't like that. I walked her downstairs handed her the money and put her in a taxi. I didn't even want to kiss her goodbye but she insisted.

130 k Sammy.

Saw this girls ad on Photopreago and has since been deleted. +57 304 5375772 is the number if anyone wants but its a waste. I decided to go see some talent in Usaquen, I usually I do well there. There was traffic getting there. The building was super nice. I get confirmed by the security and walk into the apartment. The ad says 22 but this chick was 32. Her tits looked good until she removed her bra. Holy Frankentits! The left was had a walleye and looked like igor. THe nipple was clearly on it's own agenda. I haven't seen such a botched job in person. SHe offered a trio with her friend but I declined. The only saving grace was the bed was huge and really comfortable. Other than that, not really feeling it. Went into doggy and though about other chicks and busted in the rubber. I know it was 1 hour but I stayed maybe 20 minutes.

200 K Tatiana.

I've seen her before many times. She is super cute but seriously at the end of her rope for working. She came over my place but she recently suffered some sort of a mediclal problem with her arm and had to have a giant ball that was growing removed!! I wish she would have told me. IT was a bit awkward being with her as her arm was incapacitated I felt bad and I could tell she really needed the moeny and she stared off into the tv trying to jerk me to completion. It wasn't that great but atleast she hung around my place and was a good company otherwise. She used to be on photoprepagos but I think shje is like semi retirement now. She has some crazy mood swings the other week when we text so I'm sure mental break down is coming soon. The biz takes it's toll.

I'll be here another month as the coronavirus cancels things and I have more free time to work remotely.

I have seen in some time was working a hotel across the street from the club La Piscina in Santa Fe. Back then, I was waiting on an Uber, and I saw her from a distance.

With this trip, I was walking in Santa Fe and there she was, that same black girl, so I rushed into see her.

Alejandra is very nice, very sweet, and she is originally from Cali. I like them young, tight, and muscular, and Alejandra did not have a speck of visible fat on her. She is a freak in the weight room apparently. What I didn't expect was great conversation from a street girl. I honestly could see myself taking this one on a date.

Anyway, I was all tensed up from the flight and I paid her an hour for a massage and the extracurriculars that go with it. OMG, those strong hands were amazing. She wanted 70 k for 30 minutes but the massage was so good, I opted for 30 more minutes and paid her 140 k for everything. Again, she was as strong in the bed as she was with the massage. She did DFK and BBBJ for me as well. I even got a stripper slide out of her.

It is not often you get a street session that is a 10 in every way, but Alejandra was. She was the sweetest dark meat I think I have ever tasted and gets my highest recommendation.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2432316]I have seen in some time was working a hotel across the street from the club La Piscina in Santa Fe. Back then, I was waiting on an Uber, and I saw her from a distance.

With this trip, I was walking in Santa Fe and there she was, that same black girl, so I rushed into see her.

Alejandra is very nice, very sweet, and she is originally from Cali. I like them young, tight, and muscular, and Alejandra did not have a speck of visible fat on her. She is a freak in the weight room apparently. What I didn't expect was great conversation from a street girl. I honestly could see myself taking this one on a date.

Anyway, I was all tensed up from the flight and I paid her an hour for a massage and the extracurriculars that go with it. OMG, those strong hands were amazing. She wanted 70 k for 30 minutes but the massage was so good, I opted for 30 more minutes and paid her 140 k for everything. Again, she was as strong in the bed as she was with the massage. She did DFK and BBBJ for me as well. I even got a stripper slide out of her.

It is not often you get a street session that is a 10 in every way, but Alejandra was. She was the sweetest dark meat I think I have ever tasted and gets my highest recommendation.[/QUOTE]Yeah, lately the streets have been having some dimes. Better lookjng then the casa. Atleast Santa Fe has been good.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2432380]Yeah, lately the streets have been having some dimes. Better lookjng then the casa. Atleast Santa Fe has been good.[/QUOTE]That is correct Sir. Especially around the South Stroll in the vicinity of Calle 20 and Carrera 15 b Monaco building. No problem with 30 k to play offers. Nice Young Talent. It has been reported up to 200 chicas in the area when busy. Fantastic selection. Natural bodies included. One of my "go to" spots in Santa Fe.

30 k.

My flight from Tijuana to Mexico city was delayed 8 hours due to foggy conditions. Rather than getting in to Bogota at 2 pm, I got in just past midnight. Booked it off the plane to customs, hit the Colpatria Scotiabank ATM, and was off to ibis museo. Had my taxi driRed eye flight from Tijuana to Cdmx was delayed by ver wait for me at the hotel, checked in, dropped my luggage off, and he got me to Santa Fe at little after 130 am.

I planned on making a few rounds to see who'd be the best candidate to take back to the hotel, but stopped at paisas first. Mariangel from my first visit (sweet girl, connected as she has a great personality and I could see she is intelligent; she was allegedly a law student, answered any question I had about politics without hesitation) happened to be sitting next to me and we reconnected. Then her friend estefhany came over and I was fixated on her big naturals. Bought them some drinks, and asked when they finish (230 am) then said maybe we could all go together which they were receptive of. I asked if theyd be OK with me using the same condom and they said it was fine. I knew they wouldn't be that interactive with eachother as they are not lesbians but close friends, I really just wanted to bend them both over and alternate as necessary, which I did haha. My plan was to go get a ST in at another club, and meet them back at close, but as I already had what I wanted I opted nto to press my luck and risk trying to find something better, which usually doesn't work in my favor LOL. Ended up just sitting there and buying them 2 rounds of drinks to kill time. Another one of their friends came over and was shaking it real nice for random guys buy not receiving a cent, so I threw her 4000 cop which then brought her over to pull up the skirt and gring her girl on me haha. Just relaxed with a table of 3 cool venezuelan girls until the lights came on at 230 and we were off.

I've never had to check girls into ibis the 3 times I've stayed there, but this time I happened to get some by the book front desk girl that said I couldn't take more than 1 girl up to my room (always brought 1 so that's my bad I guess) obviously I just wanted to get it in so I just checked out and took the girls to tequendama Suites, where we had a 2. 5 HR session of stopping, starting, banging one out when one went to the bathroom, and a lot of one riding me while the other kissed me. Finished with them both on their backs blowing it on both of their chests. At this point I had been up for over 24 hours and just wanted some sleep. As they were just chatting nonstop playing on their phones, kindly asked them to leave, doing something I didn't think I'd ever do; kick 2 naked girls out of my bed. I see the sun was coming up, see it is around 6 am and crash until 1 pm, the alarm clock in the room was an hour late! I was going to stop by abudabi before the airport but that'll have to wait to I guess.

I am completely comfortable in Santa Fe, and didn't get any shit from anybody when I was walking hand in hand from both of the girls aside from random dudes staring, calling estefhany hot, or making a joke about Corona virus (I'm Asian American). As far as the girls, I like Mari angels face but the bar girl life has taken a toll on her body these past 6 months. Estefhany was a tad mechanical and her tits were pretty saggy so I doubt I'd repeat with them unless they threw me a substantial discount haha. Now off to cartagena for 2 nights. I have 3 days wide open at the end of the trip and am thinking that unless I'm blown away by the medellin Facebook girls, my last 3 days will be spent in Santa Fe. I liked troya last time and the streetwalkers, and want to hit the other clubs that woodman says are atop his list so it'll be next Friday and Saturday at a minimum!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2432450]That is correct Sir. Especially around the South Stroll in the vicinity of Calle 20 and Carrera 15 b Monaco building. No problem with 30 k to play offers. Nice Young Talent. It has been reported up to 200 chicas in the area when busy. Fantastic selection. Natural bodies included. One of my "go to" spots in Santa Fe.

30 k.[/QUOTE]Actually, I probably exaggerated a bit with the 200 number, probably about 150+ in that area. But some hotties for sure. The streetie sweetie situation is better than ever, I have smashed some hot girls down there.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2431904]What was the nature of the fail? Was it you or was it her?[/QUOTE]Fails happen, I try really hard to vette girls for attitude and try to get a hint about what to expect but there are a some who put on a good show and turn into a zero when you get in the room. Shit happens, I'm always leery trying new girls. It's great if you can get a lapdance and flirt a bit in the clubs.

[QUOTE=LewAshby;2432551]I am completely comfortable in Santa Fe, and didn't get any shit from anybody when I was walking hand in hand from both of the girls aside from random dudes staring, calling estefhany hot, or making a joke about Corona virus (I'm Asian American).[/QUOTE]I am Asian American as well. And when I was in Santa Fe last year, it was literally every other girl on the streets calling out "chino" when I walked by. It may seemed like a minor nuisance but it gets quite old after a while. And I absolutely hated it. I just can't imagine now with the coronavirus, its probably 1000 x worse. I have been to several other central and south american countries and Colombia is the worst by far. Its one of the many reasons I don't like Santa Fe. On the other hand, the Colombian guys don't bother me at all, other than harassing me to go into the clubs but without the racism.

I'm planning to return to Colombia some time this year but will probably skip Bogota and Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2432815]I am Asian American as well. And when I was in Santa Fe last year, it was literally every other girl on the streets calling out "chino" when I walked by. It may seemed like a minor nuisance but it gets quite old after a while. And I absolutely hated it. [/QUOTE]Why did you have a problem with it? They just call out to you by the visible characteristics. Nobody means any harm by it. If you were slim they would call out flaquito. If you were fat they would call out gordito. I am Black American (but not dark skin), so to me they call out moreno. When I am in Brazil they call out Negao. When I am in Tijuana they call out chocolatay. Here in Thailand they call out
chocolate man. They just want to get your attention in hopes of getting business from you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2432886]Why did you have a problem with it? They just call out to you by the visible characteristics. Nobody means any harm by it. If you were slim they would call out flaquito. If you were fat they would call out gordito. I am Black American (but not dark skin), so to me they call out moreno. When I am in Brazil they call out Negao. When I am in Tijuana they call out chocolatay. Here in Thailand they call out
chocolate man. They just want to get your attention in hopes of getting business from you.[/QUOTE]Correct! Nothing to do with racism, it is not in their best interest to lose your business by insulting you. They intend it to be a playful way to capture your attention.

Price to quality debate:

I recently decided to sample some of the high end hookers (300 k / h average price) for 'research' purposes. On the positive side, all gave solid performances. Unfortunately, I can say the same of 80% of the 80 - 150 k hookers I have seen so far. But I could not deny the convenience value; easy scheduling, and you get exactly what you order. My conclusion is that they can be of value if you have very limited time (on business) and can't afford to wade through countless ads trying to weed out potential scammers. More like using the hotel mini bar.

On an light side, many of the agencies fronting the expensive hookers tend to pitch them as college students, doing this only 'part time' ostensibly to pay their 'tuition'. How original! And the ladies will pitch the exact same story when they show up. I guess the fantasy must endure very well.

Meaningless coincidences, awkward moments, and surprises or not:

I was very horny on Monday and had three sessions in row at different places, all three ladies were surprisingly called Alejandra, not sure how common this name is in the mongering scene.

Visited Mezzanine one afternoon and as I was a getting the prelude massage, another dude entered the next pigeonhole with his date. In a moment the dude started groaning so loudly, it got very awkward. Mr. Johnson shriveled faster than the head of a scared turtle. My lady turned up the music, but it didn't help much. Luckily for us (and obviously the lady who was servicing the dude), they dude was done in a minute and a half tops. Made me feel proud of myself.

Corona virus and BJ: An energetic lady visited my casa, and she was a passionate lover, lots of enthusiastic DFK and the typical GFE stuff. She got real wet and and moaned convincingly as I fingered her. When it came the time to BJ, she insisted on CBJ, which was a surprise. I asked why. She said because she's afraid of corona virus. Go figure.

Went to Mezzanine a few days back and was surprised when my lady provided a delicious BBBJ without much prodding or the standard up-sell. I reciprocated by giving her a repeat visit. She upped me one by giving full blown GFE. I love Bogota!

Visited Santa Fe, lady population has gone up quite a bit since I was there last. Place is still seedy as hell and I just don't get it.

Other stuff:

As others have mentioned before me, getting good healthy food in Bogota is a challenge. Everything is deep fried, or a hamburger. Went to a high end cafe the other day and asked for something light. They suggested a sandwich. I said fair enough. Unfortunately the sandwich bread was brioche, made with 50% butter, with a taste to prove it. Inside was cheese, generous creamy sauce, bacon,. You get the idea. I feel like every time I leave Bogota I need to go on a broccoli diet for 2 weeks to clear my system.

Bogota has perhaps the best coffee houses I have visited globally. Avoid the chains, and visit the small indies that roast their coffee in house. One of my favorites is Kiri Cafe in the Parque 93 vicinity. When in Usaquen, try Cafe Quindio. Premium coffeee at its best.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2432815] I just can't imagine now with the coronavirus, its probably 1000 x worse.

I'm planning to return to Colombia some time this year but will probably skip Bogota and Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]I hope this joke is taken the right way, but your screen name does sound a bit like corona virus.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2433245]Price to quality debate:

I recently decided to sample some of the high end hookers (300 k / h average price) for 'research' purposes. On the positive side, all gave solid performances. Unfortunately, I can say the same of 80% of the 80 - 150 k hookers I have seen so far. But I could not deny the convenience value; easy scheduling, and you get exactly what you order. My conclusion is that they can be of value if you have very limited time (on business) and can't afford to wade through countless ads trying to weed out potential scammers. More like using the hotel mini bar.

On an light side, many of the agencies fronting the expensive hookers tend to pitch them as college students, doing this only 'part time' ostensibly to pay their 'tuition'. How original! And the ladies will pitch the exact same story when they show up. I guess the fantasy must endure very well.

Meaningless coincidences, awkward moments, and surprises or not:

I was very horny on Monday and had three sessions in row at different places, all three ladies were surprisingly called Alejandra, not sure how common this name is in the mongering scene...[/QUOTE]You need to branch out more with your food search. Sure there's plenty of fried food and hamburgers, but there's plenty of other things.

Go to Crepes and Waffles and try the Green Kiss soup. There's probably a potato themed place (search "patata") which does stuffed baked potatoes with lots of toppings to choose from. Look for any place with Ajiaco, a nice chicken and potato soup served with avocado, capers and sour creme.

Or just look for a typical Colombian place. Many serve a menu of the day meal. Small light salad with avocado, rice, possibly yuca or potatoes, soup, fried plantain and your choice of meat. I usually get chicken, grilled, boneless, skinless breast. Usually can get either fruit juice, or guarapo with it as well. Prices run from 8 k-15 k, all in.

Check out the malls. There's usually an excellent salad place. Just can't remember the name. Some of the Italian places are also good, not quite as healthy though.

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2432815]I am Asian American as well. And when I was in Santa Fe last year, it was literally every other girl on the streets calling out "chino" when I walked by. It may seemed like a minor nuisance but it gets quite old after a while. And I absolutely hated it. I just can't imagine now with the coronavirus, its probably 1000 x worse. I have been to several other central and south american countries and Colombia is the worst by far. Its one of the many reasons I don't like Santa Fe. On the other hand, the Colombian guys don't bother me at all, other than harassing me to go into the clubs but without the racism.

I'm planning to return to Colombia some time this year but will probably skip Bogota and Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]After the first pop they are looking for the next client and a chance to get more money in less time. They want to be efficient for Capital Gains. Don't take it personal, it's business for them and should be only a service for you unless your pursue is beyond that. Explore more and expand your options with the Chino thing, use it to your advantage and peak their interest about you and you're ethnicity. A rare commodity for them.

What is the current weather situation there. I noticed it's about 20 cooler than in Orlando Florida. Should I leave the tank tops and shorts at home and concentrate on pants and long sleeves. Am I overthinking things Woodman I hit you up on email but I haven't got a response. I'm looking at heading to Bogota for a few days next week.
Also I wouldn’t dare wear A fresh pair of all white Tennis shoes so the DR because of the terrain. Could the same be said about Bogotá. I’ve been to Medellin twice and didn’t see a problem.

The latest development regarding Coronavirus:

Anyone been in Italy, Spain, France or China in the last 14 days has to stay in auto-quarantaine (at hotel for non residents) during 14 days at arrival in Colombia. Immigration will ask which hotel or adress will be used for autoquarantaine. Foreigners who don't respect this autoquarantaine risk deportation, Colombians risk prison.

Any social event with more than 1000 people is forbidden in Bogota during one month.

[QUOTE=Routard;2433400]The latest development regarding Coronavirus:

Anyone been in Italy, Spain, France or China in the last 14 days has to stay in auto-quarantaine (at hotel for non residents) during 14 days at arrival in Colombia. Immigration will ask which hotel or adress will be used for autoquarantaine. Foreigners who don't respect this autoquarantaine risk deportation, Colombians risk prison.

Any social event with more than 1000 people is forbidden in Bogota during one month.[/QUOTE]Yes, Yellow Alert, I have been showing some guys around. I feel like we are in the last hurrah for a while, The CV is coming but not here yet (I hope). At the least bars and clubs will be shut in the future.

Action has been pretty good, plenty of hot girls.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2433379]What is the current weather situation there. I noticed it's about 20 cooler than in Orlando Florida. Should I leave the tank tops and shorts at home and concentrate on pants and long sleeves. Am I overthinking things Woodman I hit you up on email but I haven't got a response. I'm looking at heading to Bogota for a few days next week.
Also I wouldnt dare wear A fresh pair of all white Tennis shoes so the DR because of the terrain. Could the same be said about Bogot. Ive been to Medellin twice and didnt see a problem.[/QUOTE]Temperature at night in Bogota will drop into the high 40's. Daytime highs might get into the low 70's. Tank tops and shorts aren't common in Medellin. In Bogota they're rarer than an 18 year old virgin.

The shoes should be alright if you watch your step.

If the USA Is included in the list of self-quarantine, please let us know. Is there any website providing updated info on the immigration restriction?

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Routard;2433400]The latest development regarding Coronavirus:

Anyone been in Italy, Spain, France or China in the last 14 days has to stay in auto-quarantaine (at hotel for non residents) during 14 days at arrival in Colombia. Immigration will ask which hotel or adress will be used for autoquarantaine. Foreigners who don't respect this autoquarantaine risk deportation, Colombians risk prison.

Any social event with more than 1000 people is forbidden in Bogota during one month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2428963]Yes, also in the daytime casas in Chapinero and clubs away from Santa Fe are hot housewives working on the down-low.[/QUOTE]I'm heading down next week and would love to know where to find these "casas". The last few times I've used agencies and have not had a bad experience yet. So far I've been able to get pics and videos from all of them and this last time the girl and I hit it off pretty well. She invited me to come hang out with her when I come back. I'll probably take her to dinner and then head back to her apartment for a session. LOL.

Also, I've yet to make it to Santa Fe. I just haven't drummed up the courage to go by myself yet.

Anyway, any help appreciated. I'll be coming back here every month for the foreseeable future unless this Corona shit ruins it for us.

Will write it up later. Here is from round 2, Just love a pretty plumper with big boobs / ass.

[QUOTE=TaderHead;2433523]I'm heading down next week and would love to know where to find these "casas". The last few times I've used agencies and have not had a bad experience yet. So far I've been able to get pics and videos from all of them and this last time the girl and I hit it off pretty well. She invited me to come hang out with her when I come back. I'll probably take her to dinner and then head back to her apartment for a session. LOL.

Also, I've yet to make it to Santa Fe. I just haven't drummed up the courage to go by myself yet.

Anyway, any help appreciated. I'll be coming back here every month for the foreseeable future unless this Corona shit ruins it for us.[/QUOTE]Several daytime places in Chapinero around transmilenio stops, there is a PDF here? One place maybe not mentioned is the strip club Casa Show on Cr 8 between Calle 19 and 20 downtown.

Also a casa in an office building downtown on Cr 10 just a few doors north of Avenida Jimenez on NE corner.

Here the latest immigration restrictions in Colombia due to Coronavirus:

- The border with Venezuela is now closed.

- Starting Monday, non resident foreigners cannot enter the country anymore if they have been in Europe or Asia during the last 2 weeks.

- Colombians or residents entering the country and coming from Asia or Europe have to stay 2 weeks in self quarantine.

As a consequence, most flights between Colombia and Europe will probably be canceled starting next week. For info also, yesterday a Spanish citizen who didnt respect the self quarantine has been deported and cannot return to Colombia for several years.

[QUOTE=Routard;2433969]Here the latest immigration restrictions in Colombia due to Coronavirus:

- The border with Venezuela is now closed.

- Starting Monday, non resident foreigners cannot enter the country anymore if they have been in Europe or Asia during the last 2 weeks.

- Colombians or residents entering the country and coming from Asia or Europe have to stay 2 weeks in self quarantine.

As a consequence, most flights between Colombia and Europe will probably be canceled starting next week. For info also, yesterday a Spanish citizen who didnt respect the self quarantine has been deported and cannot return to Colombia for several years.[/QUOTE]For those of us traveling from the US, we are still free to travel as of right now. You'll need to fill out a form before entering, and get "checked out" on a screening process. If you're fine, you'll be free to travel without restriction. Here's the link to the form:

[URL]http://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/controlpreventivocontraelcoronavirus[/URL]

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2433982]For those of us traveling from the US, we are still free to travel as of right now. You'll need to fill out a form before entering, and get "checked out" on a screening process. If you're fine, you'll be free to travel without restriction. Here's the link to the form:

[URL]http://www.migracioncolombia.gov.co/controlpreventivocontraelcoronavirus[/URL][/QUOTE]I have a fever, if I have the virus, many do. I doubt there is much testing going on so in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2434107]I have a fever, if I have the virus, many do. I doubt there is much testing going on so in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear you have a fever. You better lay low for a while. The screening process is being done at customs. If you get sick once you're in the country, there won't be any testing as of now. I have plans of coming down the end of next month if the protocol policy hasn't changed for US citizens.

Since I'm on the subject of the CV, I'll get out my little soap box. Yes, the CV is dangerous if you're elderly and / or have a preexisting compromised respiratory system. Of course, if a person falls into that category, every virus is dangerous. Let's take a step back and look at this. If a person never got caught up in what I call "CNN news syndrome", never heard all the media hype, and came down with the CV, that person would be sick for a week or two, and then back to daily life. They might go to work and say, "Hey, Bob, there's a hell of a bug going around. I hope you don't catch it. " And that would be the end of it. The media has made this sound like a death sentence for everyone, when in fact more people are dying from diarrhea around the world, but we don't hear about that. Like any virus, it's going to spread, and it has to run its course. I swear to Christ, people have lost their minds. I can't even buy toilet paper in my town because the shelves are bare, like the end of the world is coming.

Anyway, I'll put the soap box away. On a positive note, we'll all be back to the hobby after this passes. We just have to wait it out.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2434121]If a person 。。。, came down with the CV, that person would be sick for a week or two, and then back to daily life. They might go to work and say, "Hey, Bob, there's a hell of a bug going around. I hope you don't catch it. " And that would be the end of it. ..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, there will be no going to work after a trip, for all Australians, Kiwis and more countries to come. As of today my holiday is off just a week short of flying out. Mandatory 14 day isolation on return means no employer will approve any holidays, stat. Even if they were approved they're cancelled now.

I think we will all be waiting this one out at home, and hopefully there will be a hell of a travel boom once its run its course.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2433245]Price to quality debate:

I recently decided to sample some of the high end hookers (300 k / h average price) for 'research' purposes. On the positive side, all gave solid performances. Unfortunately, I can say the same of 80% of the 80 - 150 k hookers I have seen so far. But I could not deny the convenience value; easy scheduling, and you get exactly what you order. My conclusion is that they can be of value if you have very limited time (on business) and can't afford to wade through countless ads trying to weed out potential scammers. More like using the hotel mini bar.

On an light side, many of the agencies fronting the expensive hookers tend to pitch them as college students, doing this only 'part time' ostensibly to pay their 'tuition'. How original! And the ladies will pitch the exact same story when they show up. I guess the fantasy must endure very well.

Meaningless coincidences, awkward moments, and surprises or not:

I was very horny on Monday and had three sessions in row at different places, all three ladies were surprisingly called Alejandra, not sure how common this name is in the mongering scene.

Visited Mezzanine one afternoon and as I was a getting the prelude massage, another dude entered the next pigeonhole with his date. In a moment the dude started groaning so loudly, it got very awkward. Mr. Johnson shriveled faster than the head of a scared turtle. My lady turned up the music, but it didn't help much. Luckily for us (and obviously the lady who was servicing the dude), they dude was done in a minute and a half tops. Made me feel proud of myself.

Corona virus and BJ: An energetic lady visited my casa, and she was a passionate lover, lots of enthusiastic DFK and the typical GFE stuff. She got real wet and and moaned convincingly as I fingered her. When it came the time to BJ, she insisted on CBJ, which was a surprise. I asked why. She said because she's afraid of corona virus. Go figure.

Went to Mezzanine a few days back and was surprised when my lady provided a delicious BBBJ without much prodding or the standard up-sell. I reciprocated by giving her a repeat visit. She upped me one by giving full blown GFE. I love Bogota!

Visited Santa Fe, lady population has gone up quite a bit since I was there last. Place is still seedy as hell and I just don't get it.

Other stuff:

As others have mentioned before me, getting good healthy food in Bogota is a challenge. Everything is deep fried, or a hamburger. Went to a high end cafe the other day and asked for something light. They suggested a sandwich. I said fair enough. Unfortunately the sandwich bread was brioche, made with 50% butter, with a taste to prove it. Inside was cheese, generous creamy sauce, bacon,. You get the idea. I feel like every time I leave Bogota I need to go on a broccoli diet for 2 weeks to clear my system.

Bogota has perhaps the best coffee houses I have visited globally. Avoid the chains, and visit the small indies that roast their coffee in house. One of my favorites is Kiri Cafe in the Parque 93 vicinity. When in Usaquen, try Cafe Quindio. Premium coffeee at its best.[/QUOTE]There is plenty of delicious colombian food to try on: two of my favories: Consulado Paisa Cra. 11 70 A - 44 my favorite bandeja paisa and the soups are very good or try club Colombia in av 82 between carrera 10 and 11 specially for brunch. It a bit expensive for locals (55 K all you can eat if I remember correctly), but you can taste lots of delicacies like tamales (small ones so you don't fill up), different kinds of empanadas, different kinds of arepas, special juices like lulada or exotic fruit juices, calentao, morcillas, etc etc.

Yep, everything goes very fast: Starting Monday NO NON RESIDENT FOREIGNER IS ALLOWED TO ENTER IN COLOMBIA. Any Colombian or resident entering Colombia has to go in self quarantine. I understood a lot of flights will be cancelled next week. I strongly recommend anyone visiting Colombia to return as soon as possible to his homecountry before there will be no flights anymore.

[QUOTE=Routard;2434584]Yep, everything goes very fast: Starting Monday NO NON RESIDENT FOREIGNER IS ALLOWED TO ENTER IN COLOMBIA. Any Colombian or resident entering Colombia has to go in self quarantine. I understood a lot of flights will be cancelled next week. I strongly recommend anyone visiting Colombia to return as soon as possible to his homecountry before there will be no flights anymore.[/QUOTE]I knew it was going to happen, I have a very mild fever and I am sheltering en casa. Although I don't think I have and I if I do, there are tons more people who do.

Hopefully, this shall pass in a few weeks.

I wonder if this restriction affects the number of Venezuelan pros in Colombia directly or indirectly.

[QUOTE=Routard;2434584]Yep, everything goes very fast: Starting Monday NO NON RESIDENT FOREIGNER IS ALLOWED TO ENTER IN COLOMBIA. Any Colombian or resident entering Colombia has to go in self quarantine. I understood a lot of flights will be cancelled next week. I strongly recommend anyone visiting Colombia to return as soon as possible to his homecountry before there will be no flights anymore.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2434644]I wonder if this restriction affects the number of Venezuelan pros in Colombia directly or indirectly.[/QUOTE]I doubt it as most have been allowed into Colombia as refugees, they will not let others in The border is shut.

So apart from the concern we may have for the Colombians' welfare, health wise and financially; the pertinent question is when will mongering return to normal?

Peak mongering in other countries may take years to return to pre virus levels, with many bars closing permanently and working girls leaving town to return home. A crash followed by a slow rebuild similar to the expectation for Pattaya or Bangkok in Thailand perhaps. Forecast. Slim pickings?

Colombian mongering may be not be hit as hard due to a lesser reliance on tourism and other factors?

It's anyone's guess at the moment.

In some countries crime against tourists may rise significantly once they return.

Will the financial effects of the virus cause a new desperation for many in Colombia with safety the casualty?

Or will it all blow over in a month or two with no real effect to the number of working girls, or the clubs and bars, or the "mood" on the streets?

Perhaps the rebound will present some favorable options.

I had the offer today to reschedule my flights, or take a refund. Went for the refund. I imagine the flight deals will be spectacular to entice travel once the bans are lifted. The airlines will be desperately trying to rebuild revenues and expedite the timeframe.

More Airbnbs should be available. Yesterday I was only offered part refunds, today, total refunds, and again, hosts will be keen to start the bookings coming in ASAP.

Empty hotels will be doing deals like crazy.

Tourism in general may get a big boost with tourists getting extra respect for showing their faith in the country on return, and boosting the economy.

How much will the working girls miss the gringo cock and bills.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2434644]I wonder if this restriction affects the number of Venezuelan pros in Colombia directly or indirectly.[/QUOTE]The boarder with Venezuela is closed. The Venezuelan in Colombia will not go back to Venezuela and the one in Venezuela are not supposed to enter anymore. So it should not affect the number of Venezuelan in Colombia. Regarding the action, it is very likely that it will slow down in the next days. Brothels are considered as nightclubs or bars, and it is very likely that the governement will close them very soon.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2434644]I wonder if this restriction affects the number of Venezuelan pros in Colombia directly or indirectly.[/QUOTE]Venezuelans would be limited to crossing the border between Puerto Carreno and Inirida on the Orinoco River in Vichada department. There's no border patrol there, and it's easy to cross if you ask a local fisherman. You can also cross over from Colombia to Venezuela the same way. If you're a tourist, it's a lot easier than getting a visa. There are many small settlements along the river.

Even though the borders are temporarily closed, at least Brazil remains open in case you want to re-route your travel plans.

[QUOTE=Routard;2434584]Yep, everything goes very fast[/QUOTE]Probably the quickness of decision is partially caused by a political factor.

Elected officials, specially the President and his party, do not want administrative scandals and missteps added to the ongoing anti-government movement / sentiment.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2434719]Perhaps the rebound will present some favorable options.

I had the offer today to reschedule my flights, or take a refund. Went for the refund. I imagine the flight deals will be spectacular to entice travel once the bans are lifted. The airlines will be desperately trying to rebuild revenues and expedite the timeframe.

More Airbnbs should be available. Yesterday I was only offered part refunds, today, total refunds, and again, hosts will be keen to start the bookings coming in ASAP.

Empty hotels will be doing deals like crazy.

Tourism in general may get a big boost with tourists getting extra respect for showing their faith in the country on return, and boosting the economy.

How much will the working girls miss the gringo cock and bills.[/QUOTE]I think you're absolutely right on this. Colombia is trying to get over the stigma of being a dangerous country with over fifty years of FARC rebels and paramilitary death squads. Since 2017, after an agreement with FARC was reached, the country has been pushing heavily on tourism. After the ban is lifted, they'll be welcoming tourism with open arms to get the peso back up. As for the girls, this virus doesn't change the fact that Venezuela is still a wreck. The Vennies will be even more desperate for cash, prices might actually get lower. I predict the girls will come back in droves. We'll see.

As for the expats who are living in Colombia like Woodman, you guys are our brothers on the ground. You're our eyes and ears. The rest of us can only get info from the net, but you guys are actually there. So, please keep us updated during this damn travel ban.

[QUOTE=Routard;2434799]The boarder with Venezuela is closed. The Venezuelan in Colombia will not go back to Venezuela and the one in Venezuela are not supposed to enter anymore. So it should not affect the number of Venezuelan in Colombia. Regarding the action, it is very likely that it will slow down in the next days. Brothels are considered as nightclubs or bars, and it is very likely that the governement will close them very soon.[/QUOTE]Here are the latest updated: starting today, ALL BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS OF COLOMBIA ARE CLOSED as well as any social event with more than 50 people.

[QUOTE=Routard;2434951]Here are the latest updated: starting today, ALL BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS OF COLOMBIA ARE CLOSED as well as any social event with more than 50 people.[/QUOTE]Just came back from Santa Fe, There were a lot girls on the street. I have felt better from Friday, Saturday. I feel a hint of a fever, I was with the girl I was with the night before my fever, Had some fun.

All the clubs were closed. If they shut the hotels the girls will starve.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2434996]

All the clubs were closed. If they shut the hotels the girls will starve.[/QUOTE]Several regions are already in curfew, including Cundinamarca (the one around Bogota) starting tonight. It will not last long before Bogota is under curfew also.

[QUOTE=Routard;2435182]Several regions are already in curfew, including Cundinamarca (the one around Bogota) starting tonight. It will not last long before Bogota is under curfew also.[/QUOTE]Here it is: Bogota will be in quarantine during 4 days starting Friday.

[QUOTE=Routard;2435468]Here it is: Bogota will be in quarantine during 4 days starting Friday.[/QUOTE]"Service" people are still allowed to work.

[QUOTE=GhostRecon;2435602]"Service" people are still allowed to work.[/QUOTE]Not sure if authorities have the same definition of "service" people as we have!

Governors are taking more stringent measures than the President's policy while the President maintains that the former are not legal. As the most people support and trust their Governors, rather than the President, Duque looks pathetic.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/coronavirus-colombias-local-authorities-advancing-drastic-measures-inept-duque-under-fire/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Routard;2435468]Here it is: Bogota will be in quarantine during 4 days starting Friday.[/QUOTE]

Hey, so I decided to stay in Bogota. The states are tooo hot for me to go and the virus spread more. This is such a strange post to make.

I stocked up yestrday on some food. You are allowed to leave your house solo to get food. I was at Toastao and got some coffee and fresh baked crossiants. The streets are empty with the occasionally taxi or empmty bus.

Strange times we live in. And yes the clubs are closed.

I'm lucky I got a knock out 24 yo I met on tinder that lets me cum in her face or else I would be sexless all week.

Starting Tuesday, all boarders are closed, no more international flights for 30 days and the entire country enters in 19 days of full quarantine.

[QUOTE=Routard;2436422]Starting Tuesday, all boarders are closed, no more international flights for 30 days and the entire country enters in 19 days of full quarantine.[/QUOTE]Thanks to all the expats keeping us updated, much appreciated.

Same here in Medellin. This situation is a reminder it's important to have a collection of contacts at all times. I expect my phone to really light up after a couple of days. So far it's only been a little more than normal.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2436223]Hey, so I decided to stay in Bogota. The states are tooo hot for me to go and the virus spread more. This is such a strange post to make.

I stocked up yestrday on some food. You are allowed to leave your house solo to get food. I was at Toastao and got some coffee and fresh baked crossiants. The streets are empty with the occasionally taxi or empmty bus.

Strange times we live in. And yes the clubs are closed.

I'm lucky I got a knock out 24 yo I met on tinder that lets me cum in her face or else I would be sexless all week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2436489]Same here in Medellin. This situation is a reminder it's important to have a collection of contacts at all times. I expect my phone to really light up after a couple of days. So far it's only been a little more than normal.[/QUOTE]My whatsapp already started sparking yesterday here in Medellin, the first real quarantine day, and has continued through today, probably 6 or 7 from my stable with some of them I have known for a few years already, YES they are already very worried about the future as in what today holds out.

Looks like my choice of whom I shall spend considerable time with during this quarantine has boiled down to a really super cute and fun 19 yo Venezuelan whom I have spent time with before. Sex is so so but a great easy person to live with and a real pleasure to just cuddle with on long lonely nights.

She is trying to dial up an uber right now to get to my home.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Routard;2436422]Starting Tuesday, all boarders are closed, no more international flights for 30 days and the entire country enters in 19 days of full quarantine.[/QUOTE]The borders have been closed, and I was told by a very intelligent professional woman that the quarantine will be until April 15. I'm hoping that's correct, I had to cancel my April 8th trip and I am planning to reschedule it for April 16.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2436860]The borders have been closed, and I was told by a very intelligent professional woman that the quarantine will be until April 15. I'm hoping that's correct, I had to cancel my April 8th trip and I am planning to reschedule it for April 16.[/QUOTE]What was her basis for telling you this? The numbers are going up by the minute. They are not going down. You can forget about April 16 buddy, unless you mean 2021. When April 16 comes, I want to see a post changing her description to a stupid biotch.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2436801]She is trying to dial up an uber right now to get to my home.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]Thought they banned Uber?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2436893]What was her basis for telling you this? The numbers are going up by the minute. They are not going down. You can forget about April 16 buddy, unless you mean 2021. When April 16 comes, I want to see a post changing her description to a stupid biotch.[/QUOTE]I had a quick internet browse and unless I misread it, I count over 100 countries with borders closed, and yet to see one that has reopened.

Colombia only really started the clock today, likely to be reset again on expiry " Inbound international commercial flights are suspended starting March 23 for 30 days".

I concur we will be waiting a while, for any of them to open. Maybe a rush of desperate mongers to whichever cracks first.

Legitimate fears or just wanting to get out? Probably some of both: [URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/colombia-coronavirus-23-killed-prison-riot-200323104057561.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2436950]Thought they banned Uber?[/QUOTE]It is open again now.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2436860]The borders have been closed, and I was told by a very intelligent professional woman that the quarantine will be until April 15. I'm hoping that's correct, I had to cancel my April 8th trip and I am planning to reschedule it for April 16.[/QUOTE]I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: [URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-close-to-having-worlds-first-open-source-and-low-cost-ventilator-to-beat-covid-19/[/URL].

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed.

I hate to watch in the sense that there are people going to be sick and dying, but I think given the extreme variations in climate, Colombia is going to be one of the most interesting places to watch with regards to the virus and how it spreads.

Hey fellas,

I wanted you guys opinion so lately I've been paying girls my price meaning I would agree to there crazy price but after I hit I just pay her my standard 50 k. Guys I'm tired of being cheated. Think about it the Colombian men don't have to pay that crazy price of 200 k+ so why should I anyway, I'm just resetting the market I guess. Am I wrong for doing this? If so why.

[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was redacted or deleted to remove sections of the report that were [u]largely argumentative[/u]. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. [i]Thank You![/i][/blue]

[QUOTE=Sleazball02;2437734]Hey fellas,

I wanted you guys opinion so lately I've been paying girls my price meaning I would agree to there crazy price but after I hit I just pay her my standard 50 k. Guys I'm tired of being cheated. Think about it the Colombian men don't have to pay that crazy price of 200 k+ so why should I anyway, I'm just resetting the market I guess. Am I wrong for doing this? If so why.[/QUOTE]Are you trolling us? Or do you really do this?

If you do, yes it is completely wrong and you know why. Any time two parties agree on price and the seller delivers the goods the buyer must pay the agreed price. Totally doesn't matter what's being sold. Once agreed a deal is a deal. And what you are doing is flat out dishonest and deceitful. I see no room for debate personally.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2437795]Are you trolling us? Or do you really do this?

If you do, yes it is completely wrong and you know why. Any time two parties agree on price and the seller delivers the goods the buyer must pay the agreed price. Totally doesn't matter what's being sold. Once agreed a deal is a deal. And what you are doing is flat out dishonest and deceitful. I see no room for debate personally.[/QUOTE]The absolute worse person to deal with is a sleazeball.

There is no scientific evidence that climate has an affect on the virus. MERS that is in the family of coronavirus started in the Middle East. It's hot as fuck there. So don't count on it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2437101]I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: [URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-close-to-having-worlds-first-open-source-and-low-cost-ventilator-to-beat-covid-19/[/URL].

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2434719]Perhaps the rebound will present some favorable options.

I had the offer today to reschedule my flights, or take a refund. Went for the refund. I imagine the flight deals will be spectacular to entice travel once the bans are lifted. The airlines will be desperately trying to rebuild revenues and expedite the timeframe.[/QUOTE]Exactly this; I just picked up a DeltaOne seat in September direct flight from ATL for $700.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2437101]I agree with ME, LL. I wouldn't count on it. Colombia has less than 10,000 ventilators (the USA Has 200,000) although scientists there are working on a cheap prototype: [URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-close-to-having-worlds-first-open-source-and-low-cost-ventilator-to-beat-covid-19/[/URL].

Before NYC was worst in the USA, I figured it would be given the population density and climate. Bogota has a similar issue to NYC given the climate and population density. It will be interesting to see if the altitude has any effect on the virus. Right now, Lima is pretty warm but in three months or so, I think Lima is going to be the perfect petri dish for the virus.

Given the lack of ventilator capacity, I understand the crazy snap judgments made. Peru though was nuts: the borders instantly shut it down with no warning at all stranding foreigners.

Other part that is interesting to me is if we will see the warm and humid parts of the country escape the effects now that travel has been banned. Someone died in Cartagena, a taxi driver, after being exposed to someone who was infected from Italy. If the virus is as temperature and humidity dependent as expected, we should see a lot of new cases in Bogota, a moderate amount in Medellin, and very few in Cartagena and Barranquilla. It will be interesting to see if Cartagena and Barranquilla escape this virus threat unscathed.

I hate to watch in the sense that there are people going to be sick and dying, but I think given the extreme variations in climate, Colombia is going to be one of the most interesting places to watch with regards to the virus and how it spreads.[/QUOTE]I live in NY, but thankfully not in the city. The reason the US is showing the most cases is because of all the available testing. Many developing countries don't have access to that amount of testing, so they show lower numbers. The fact is the virus is everywhere now like any other virus, not just the US, China, and some European countries. Since over 90% of people that catch this have mild to no symptoms, it's impossible to have a correct count. I've had a cough for the past two weeks. Does that mean I caught the virus? Who knows, but it's going away. The virus will spread fast through any city around the world because of population density. It doesn't matter if its NYC, Bogota, or Timbuktu. I just read that Colombia is considering extending the lock-down by another three months, and I'm not surprised. Eventually, like the flu, a vaccine will be developed, but it's going to be a while.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2439177]I live in NY, but thankfully not in the city. The reason the US is showing the most cases is because of all the available testing. Many developing countries don't have access to that amount of testing, so they show lower numbers. The fact is the virus is everywhere now like any other virus, not just the US, China, and some European countries. Since over 90% of people that catch this have mild to no symptoms, it's impossible to have a correct count. I've had a cough for the past two weeks. Does that mean I caught the virus? Who knows, but it's going away. The virus will spread fast through any city around the world because of population density. It doesn't matter if its NYC, Bogota, or Timbuktu. I just read that Colombia is considering extending the lock-down by another three months, and I'm not surprised. Eventually, like the flu, a vaccine will be developed, but it's going to be a while.[/QUOTE]Don't think the US is up to speed on testing. In spite of what someone said yesterday. On a per capita basis US is still way behind lots of places. But I agree that many other places are behind too, and for sure Colombia. And also that there are a lot of un-counted people with it wandering around.

The key is to get people to self isolate. And hopefully be able to test those who deliver essential services and health care so that any infections can be identified quickly and get those people isolated.

I think things will be locked down for a while. No country can tolerate a 1% death rate. They will try to save as many people as possible.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2439151]There is no scientific evidence that climate has an affect on the virus. MERS that is in the family of coronavirus started in the Middle East. It's hot as fuck there. So don't count on it.[/QUOTE]Sigh. [URL]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308[/URL].

There seems to be a lot of stupid hysteria out there: reinfection, no immunity, 100,000 to 200,000 dead in the USA. Anyone who looks objectively at the data can make their own conclusions about what is happening. When I looked at climate, international travels, and the shape of the curve with regards to infection, what I expected to see and what I have seen are the same.

If you look at existing cases, governments IMO are keeping the lag time of recovered cases deliberately low and give the impression that the virus is still spreading with new end in sight.

If you look at the curves of countries that have recovered, there is an exponential surge up, a peaking and then an exponential falling off.

If you read between the lines of the news, that is why there is hype IMO about re-infection even though there has been no significant re-infection in recovered countries. Maybe it comes back in the Fall but no one really knows what will happen then.

If you look at new cases not just in the USA, but in the world, it is pretty clear what part of the curve we are on. The number of new cases is at about 20,000 per day in the USA and 50,000 in the world right now and 100 or so in Colombia, and it has been like that for about the last 5-6 days. IMO the world, the USA, and even Colombia are in the plateau phase.

Feel free to hurl insults about "scientific evidence" though. I am used to that. When the "experts" are touting huge numbers like 100,000 to 200,000 American deaths (whatever the fuck that means), I tune them out. I would bet anyone that there will be between 0 and 100,000 dead in the USA given that there were only 3300 deaths in China and 12,000 in Italy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439221]Sigh. [URL]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308[/URL].

There seems to be a lot of stupid hysteria out there: reinfection, no immunity, 100,000 to 200,000 dead in the USA. Anyone who looks objectively at the data can make their own conclusions about what is happening. When I looked at climate, international travels, and the shape of the curve with regards to infection, what I expected to see and what I have seen are the same.

If you look at existing cases, governments IMO are keeping the lag time of recovered cases deliberately low and give the impression that the virus is still spreading with new end in sight.

If you look at the curves of countries that have recovered, there is an exponential surge up, a peaking and then an exponential falling off.

If you read between the lines of the news, that is why there is hype IMO about re-infection even though there has been no significant re-infection in recovered countries. Maybe it comes back in the Fall but no one really knows what will happen then.

If you look at new cases not just in the USA, but in the world, it is pretty clear what part of the curve we are on. The number of new cases is at about 20,000 per day in the USA and 50,000 in the world right now and 100 or so in Colombia, and it has been like that for about the last 5-6 days. IMO the world, the USA, and even Colombia are in the plateau phase.

Feel free to hurl insults about "scientific evidence" though. I am used to that. When the "experts" are touting huge numbers like 100,000 to 200,000 American deaths (whatever the fuck that means), I tune them out. I would bet anyone that there will be between 0 and 100,000 dead in the USA given that there were only 3300 deaths in China and 12,000 in Italy.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to bet on this. I really hope I am wrong. So never bet on something if you're hoping to lose.

But I can't see how it is going to stop or slow yet. So I think the 100 thousand plus is a real possibility. Looking at the curves, etc. Today again. Wish I could think or even hope otherwise.

All I can say. I really really hope you are right.

Am I in the right thread here? About Bogota?

Latest relevant news: "Mayor Claudia Lpez rattled already jolted nerves of nine million Bogotanos after she raised the probability that the quarantine for the Colombian capital could be extended to June. ".

It seems the authorities are taking a very hardline approach to tackle the virus spread, and one I'm sure we all hope will expedite a return to 'normal'.

In 6 months time. What will Bogota be like for mongers?

Kanga.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2439501]Am I in the right thread here? About Bogota?

Latest relevant news: "Mayor Claudia Lpez rattled already jolted nerves of nine million Bogotanos after she raised the probability that the quarantine for the Colombian capital could be extended to June. ".

It seems the authorities are taking a very hardline approach to tackle the virus spread, and one I'm sure we all hope will expedite a return to 'normal'.

In 6 months time. What will Bogota be like for mongers?

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my gals told me about this. I am not sure the rest of the country will be like this though. Bogota is a practically perfect place for the virus to spread.

For mongers? For the ones who have not lost their jobs, it will be off the chain. There will be less competition from men, the existing women will be desperate, the exchange rate will still be favorable, and many of the women who were not selling themselves will be seeing no choice but to do so. The only downside is the border with Venezuela probably will not be opened up for a while.

The best mongering activities in recent time may have been Buenos Aires in 2002 or so and Russia and Ukraine a few years before that. Colombia in 2020 could possibly rival those times.

Question fellas, in my scientific research regarding the flora and fauna of Bogota Santa Fe do there exist the rare species of slim, hardbodied and toned females? I see plenty of photos and talk regarding VLAs (very large asses) and monstrous boobies but what about some silicone-free slim athletic girls can you find them in Santa Fe or not, thank you!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439531]Yeah, my gals told me about this. I am not sure the rest of the country will be like this though. Bogota is a practically perfect place for the virus to spread.

For mongers? For the ones who have not lost their jobs, it will be off the chain. There will be less competition from men, the existing women will be desperate, the exchange rate will still be favorable, and many of the women who were not selling themselves will be seeing no choice but to do so. The only downside is the border with Venezuela probably will not be opened up for a while.

The best mongering activities in recent time may have been Buenos Aires in 2002 or so and Russia and Ukraine a few years before that. Colombia in 2020 could possibly rival those times.[/QUOTE]I have also been reading this in other fora that women will be desperate and go into p4p for money. I don't think it is that simple. For one thing blokes seem to be forgetting that Colombian men are also hurting and they are the girls biggest meal ticket. Foreign men contribute a very small percentage of the girls' income and BTW foreign men's finances are taking a beating too. In order to survive girls will have to look for alternative sources of income. I hope I am wrong but I do not see good times ahead for our hobby.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439221]Sigh. [URL]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3550308[/URL].

There seems to be a lot of stupid hysteria out there: reinfection, no immunity, 100,000 to 200,000 dead in the USA. Anyone who looks objectively at the data can make their own conclusions about what is happening. When I looked at climate, international travels, and the shape of the curve with regards to infection, what I expected to see and what I have seen are the same.

If you look at existing cases, governments IMO are keeping the lag time of recovered cases deliberately low and give the impression that the virus is still spreading with new end in sight.

If you look at the curves of countries that have recovered, there is an exponential surge up, a peaking and then an exponential falling off..[/QUOTE]OK you invited it. But I won't insult you because it doesn't help and who knows you may end up being right. But here are a few points. Everything I've read suggests the body if it is strong enough will fight off the virus and develop antibodies that kill off the virus and probably diminish the likelihood of 'reinfection'. I'm not so sure climate is playing such a big role in how events are unfolding. There are cases in many Middle Eastern countries, and Southern hemisphere countries and the growth rate is over 10% a day. Their smaller case numbers seem to be accounted for by the date of the first recognized case. You might also consider that Italy is having a much higher mortality rate because the average age of the population is higher. The US is pretty close to the same average age. (I. E. Over 40). Italy has just under 14,000 deaths today and the US is 5.5 times the population. So, ceteris paribus the equivalent deaths would be about 90,000 but the cases are growing and so are the deaths so 100,000 doesn't seem like a far fetched estimate at this point. Obviously a mitigating factor is that the US has much more medical resources available. I don't think you can rely on the patterns from other countries. China, South Korea and Singapore have taken extraordinary measures to limit the spread of the virus and to test and isolate people with positive tests. This includes taking their phone and identifying contacts over the last month, testing and isolating those contacts and their contacts. These measures wouldn't be popular in the US and there seems to be very little political will to really do what it takes to "beat" the virus. So, 100,000 deaths is the US? I don't think that is an exaggerated possibility at all. Like someone else said, I hope I'm wrong.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2439697]I have also been reading this in other fora that women will be desperate and go into p4p for money. I don't think it is that simple. For one thing blokes seem to be forgetting that Colombian men are also hurting and they are the girls biggest meal ticket. Foreign men contribute a very small percentage of the girls' income and BTW foreign men's finances are taking a beating too. In order to survive girls will have to look for alternative sources of income. I hope I am wrong but I do not see good times ahead for our hobby.[/QUOTE]Funny you should mention that.

In the last few weeks there's been a big influx of Colombians into the live streaming apps. These are similar to the webcam sites, except they are PG rated and all you need is a phone.

One popular app, BigO, was dominated by Vietnamese women 8 months ago. About 4 months ago US women became the most common and most popular. Now it's Colombianas everywhere, and at least some of them are making money. I imagine there's been an increase on the webcam sites as well.

Some of the women are going to find other ways to survive.

I'm thinking there will be several gringos who decide it's time to marry their favorite prepago in case they ever get stuck at home again. There are also some mongers who are in a daily sweat over the markets, as that is their primary source of income.

This is going to change things. Who knows what the changes will be?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2439729]One popular app, BigO, was dominated by Vietnamese women 8 months ago. About 4 months ago US women became the most common and most popular. Now it's Colombianas everywhere, and at least some of them are making money. [/QUOTE]What's the point, is it men giving women money for being pretty without any sexual content, or is it more of an introduction to some sexual service?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2439729]Funny you should mention that.

In the last few weeks there's been a big influx of Colombians into the live streaming apps. These are similar to the webcam sites, except they are PG rated and all you need is a phone.

One popular app, BigO, was dominated by Vietnamese women 8 months ago. About 4 months ago US women became the most common and most popular. Now it's Colombianas everywhere, and at least some of them are making money. I imagine there's been an increase on the webcam sites as well.

Some of the women are going to find other ways to survive.

I'm thinking there will be several gringos who decide it's time to marry their favorite prepago in case they ever get stuck at home again. There are also some mongers who are in a daily sweat over the markets, as that is their primary source of income.

This is going to change things. Who knows what the changes will be?[/QUOTE]Interesting observation as I just saw a news article in the past few days where they expect a major increase in webcam models for Colombian women.

Let's see how this thing pans out.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2439756]What's the point, is it men giving women money for being pretty without any sexual content, or is it more of an introduction to some sexual service?[/QUOTE]Sometimes I think mongers are like a lost Amazon tribe, insulated from the rest of the world. Nothing exists beyond the jungle of BBBJ and cuanto cuesta.

There are kids on YouTube making ridiculous money because people like to watch them play video games. There are people on Instagram making ridiculous money, just posting pictures of themselves, wearing clothes, on a beach.

The world is becoming more virtual every day. Live streaming services have been around for several years. Sony had a popular one, but they had to shut it down. Too many kids were using it to do live porn shows. Today's live streaming services use a reporting system and admins to flag and block any inappropriate content.

It's live streaming. Anyone can do it. It allows someone to effectively create their own TV show. Some people cook, show their makeup tricks, do crafts, sing or dance. Many use it to show off their body, without nudity. A few women use it to entice guys into the strip clubs they work at. A few are escorts and use it to attract new customers. Some use it to sell their porn videos.

Most just use it for entertainment. Guys give money to the girls they like.

What's the point? Beats me. There are guys here looking for girls with cartoon asses. What's the point? There are guys looking for huge, fake breasts. What's the point? No matter what it is, if you're not interested in it, you'll probably think it's pointless.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2439729]Funny you should mention that.

In the last few weeks there's been a big influx of Colombians into the live streaming apps. These are similar to the webcam sites, except they are PG rated and all you need is a phone.

One popular app, BigO, was dominated by Vietnamese women 8 months ago. About 4 months ago US women became the most common and most popular. Now it's Colombianas everywhere, and at least some of them are making money. I imagine there's been an increase on the webcam sites as well.

Some of the women are going to find other ways to survive.

I'm thinking there will be several gringos who decide it's time to marry their favorite prepago in case they ever get stuck at home again. There are also some mongers who are in a daily sweat over the markets, as that is their primary source of income.

This is going to change things. Who knows what the changes will be?[/QUOTE]It's good that the girls can find online routes for money. I hope they do whatever they can to get by. When all this is over, I believe the world's oldest profession will come right back to all our favorite places. That's why it's called the world's oldest profession, it's survived wars, famine, and pandemics throughout the ages. There will always be a demand, hence always a source of income for the girls. The Vennies in Bogota are on the brink of riots since many are being evicted and are without aid. Many don't have skills to offer, and that's why they turned to the life of a working girl in the first place. Mongers will probably have to beat them off with a stick when the borders open back up. Let history be our guide.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2439778]Most just use it for entertainment. Guys give money to the girls they like..[/QUOTE]From the Bogota Post about small businesses and people hustling through the lockdown:

"One person who is doing well is Medusa Perverette, an online webcam model. With the dollar remaining resilient throughout the pandemic, she's continued earning at a good rate. Better yet, with people locked indoors, many are searching for human contact in any way they can find, as Medusa explains. "Webcam platforms have always been an escape for many people. The truth is, I've passed (the quarantine time) taking advantage of the fact that everyone's at home."

Of course, her clientele is international, including plenty in Europe and Asia. "They're worried," she says, "but the thinking isn't as depressive as here in Latin America. My users aren't getting depressed, it's the people here that are doing that. " It's reassuring to know that for one person at least, life is good. "I made a million this weekend, it's the perfect moment," Medusa concludes."

Kanga.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2439975]From the Bogota Post about small businesses and people hustling through the lockdown:

"One person who is doing well is Medusa Perverette, an online webcam model. With the dollar remaining resilient throughout the pandemic, she's continued earning at a good rate. Better yet, with people locked indoors, many are searching for human contact in any way they can find, as Medusa explains. "Webcam platforms have always been an escape for many people. The truth is, I've passed (the quarantine time) taking advantage of the fact that everyone's at home."

Of course, her clientele is international, including plenty in Europe and Asia. "They're worried," she says, "but the thinking isn't as depressive as here in Latin America. My users aren't getting depressed, it's the people here that are doing that. " It's reassuring to know that for one person at least, life is good. "I made a million this weekend, it's the perfect moment," Medusa concludes."

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Medusa is an acquaintance of mine. She's so full of shit her eyes turned brown. I dunno if any of you know her personally but take everything she says with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2439203]Don't think the US is up to speed on testing. In spite of what someone said yesterday. On a per capita basis US is still way behind lots of places. But I agree that many other places are behind too, and for sure Colombia. And also that there are a lot of un-counted people with it wandering around.

The key is to get people to self isolate. And hopefully be able to test those who deliver essential services and health care so that any infections can be identified quickly and get those people isolated.

I think things will be locked down for a while. No country can tolerate a 1% death rate. They will try to save as many people as possible.[/QUOTE]3 months anywhere on the world with the economy ground to a halt is impossible. At what point do you think it becomes better to YOLO it? Who wouldn't rather die of a virus than starve to death?

I don't think they can possibly go beyond the end of April.

The good news is that the early control measures have meant for very impressive numbers here in Colombia. This will probably be one of the first countries on Earth back on point.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2439778]
Most just use it for entertainment. Guys give money to the girls they like.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for explaining how it works. I don't mind giving a bit of money to these girls in barrios populares who are entertaining people in these difficult times. However I am discouraged by the fact that the platform seems to take a massive 85% commission!

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2440262]Thanks for explaining how it works. I don't mind giving a bit of money to these girls in barrios populares who are entertaining people in these difficult times. However I am discouraged by the fact that the platform seems to take a massive 85% commission![/QUOTE]Why be discouraged. The Platform has to pay bills. I'm no expert on the subject but that % you note is not one I am familiar with. My understanding is it ranges the other way from 80% to the girls, down to 50%.

The market (girls) will decide which commission structure or provider works best for them and word of mouth is the biggest marketer in this business.

Obviously the main reason the girls do it is for money. If they don't see money coming their way they will try and look for somewhere else or something else.

Spent a couple of months in Bogota, Dec-March 2020. Initially stayed in an apt (AirBNB) but eventually settled in Hotel San Francisco calle 24 Carrera 10 for about 73,000 a night, or 20 to 25 dollars depending in exchange rate. As background, I turned 63 while I was down there, speak good Spanish and have spent quality time in Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, DR Medellin and Bogota Colombia. At my age I only have desire every third day or perhaps every other day.

One other detail that affects my experience is that I am usually horny in the morning, and a couple of beers and any drugs will put me out of play so to speak. So mornings are naturally best.

I really enjoyed Santa Fe. It is located between Caracas (14) and Carrerra 17, between calles 19 and 24. The "normal" action is between 22 and 24, with Trannies and such-like between 22 and 19.

Anytime I felt like it, say at 10 in the morning, I would take the short walk from Hotel San Francisco down 24 to the Zone. I got to know people, I had a place to sit and drink "tinto" on the corner, bars I knew and girls I knew.

There is everything to choose from there, fat skinny old young black white. There is much craziness packed into those several square blocks, it is impossible to convey that amount of crazy. And not just the women, everything is crazy there.

Without too much effort you could find your 9 or 10 or whatever turns you on, anytime of the day or night up till say 2 am. The going rate was 40 mil, close to 10 bucks, but if I found a nice one that I liked I would give her more.

The majority of women working there now are from Venezuela.

It's all shut down now. Those people have no way to survive now.

I am glad I got to know the Zone in it's glory, it may never return.

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2440262]Thanks for explaining how it works. I don't mind giving a bit of money to these girls in barrios populares who are entertaining people in these difficult times. However I am discouraged by the fact that the platform seems to take a massive 85% commission![/QUOTE]Why? Were you discouraged that record companies did the same thing so you did not buy any records? When you look online, chicks willing to show their asses are a dime a dozen and the people that have built the platforms realize that. I see it as whereas some mongers like to overpay chicks, these companies are really only paying them what it is actually worth. And evidently the chicks are fine with the amount they are receiving or they would not be doing it.

When you go to a fast food restaurant and order a drink it costs them about 10 cents, but you are paying $1.50 for it. Where is the discouragement in that?

[QUOTE=Chesscat;2440631]I had a place to sit and drink "tinto" on the corner, bars I knew and girls I knew.
[/QUOTE]I love hanging around on corners in Santa Fe, mostly just loitering in the street when it's early. Which corner was your favoured in the a / m?

Kanga.

Thanks for your replies.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2440468]Why be discouraged. The Platform has to pay bills. I'm no expert on the subject but that % you note is not one I am familiar with. My understanding is it ranges the other way from 80% to the girls, down to 50%.

The market (girls) will decide which commission structure or provider works best for them and word of mouth is the biggest marketer in this business.

Obviously the main reason the girls do it is for money. If they don't see money coming their way they will try and look for somewhere else or something else.[/QUOTE]The figures I could find were about 3 cents to buy a token, but half a cent of value when she redeems it. I would expect the girl to get at least 50% of what I put in. Otherwise it feels that I would be wasting my money like those people who buy tokens in games like Candy Crush or Fortnite without any prospect of winning real cash.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2440712]Why? Were you discouraged that record companies did the same thing so you did not buy any records? When you look online, chicks willing to show their asses are a dime a dozen and the people that have built the platforms realize that. I see it as whereas some mongers like to overpay chicks, these companies are really only paying them what it is actually worth. And evidently the chicks are fine with the amount they are receiving or they would not be doing it.

When you go to a fast food restaurant and order a drink it costs them about 10 cents, but you are paying $1.50 for it. Where is the discouragement in that?[/QUOTE]In those examples I couldn't actually get the product without paying, but the girls will be dancing whether I pay or not!

[QUOTE=LeyenLouvain;2440774]Thanks for your replies.

The figures I could find were about 3 cents to buy a token, but half a cent of value when she redeems it. I would expect the girl to get at least 50% of what I put in. Otherwise it feels that I would be wasting my money like those people who buy tokens in games like Candy Crush or Fortnite without any prospect of winning real cash.

In those examples I couldn't actually get the product without paying, but the girls will be dancing whether I pay or not![/QUOTE]I'll try to unravel this.

First, there are 2 different types of platforms here, webcam and livestream.

Webcam platforms are set up as porn sites, all models require validated identification and many payment processors won't deal with them for fear of getting caught up in trafficking laws. Most webcam sites sell tokens for about $0. 08 each. They buy tokens for $0. 05 each. Customer pays $80 for 1,000 tokens, model gets paid $50 for 1,000 tokens. Except the money usually doesn't go to the model. It goes to the studio she probably works for. The studio takes their cut. That share depends on how much the studio provides the model. If she works in the studio's room, they probably take half. If she works in her own apartment, using her own equipment, they may only take 20%, in select cases even less. So a typical webcam model gets 30-40% of what the customer pays.

Livestream platforms are mostly setup for everyone. With a couple of exceptions, no porn allowed, no verified identification. They also require nothing more than a smartphone and internet connection. A smaller percentage of the models need to go through a studio, although there are studios operating on these platforms. The cut taken by the platform is greater than webcam, but varies quite a bit. However, most models don't need to give a share to a studio, so it balances somewhat.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2440759]I love hanging around on corners in Santa Fe, mostly just loitering in the street when it's early. Which corner was your favoured in the a / m?

Kanga.[/QUOTE]That would be 24 and 15, oj and tinto, mostly tinto. Older Venezuelan guy with some younger helpers. Buckets with a board seat. Sit with a tinto and check things out in comfort and relaxed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2440814]I'll try to unravel this.

First, there are 2 different types of platforms here, webcam and livestream.[/QUOTE]And there is also a third platform. The other night I stayed over a chick's place here in Thailand. She said she meets guys on the dating sites. They deposit $30-$50 in her paypal. She gets on whatsapp or whatever with them and does a camshow for 10 minutes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2440968]And there is also a third platform. The other night I stayed over a chick's place here in Thailand. She said she meets guys on the dating sites. They deposit $30-$50 in her paypal. She gets on whatsapp or whatever with them and does a camshow for 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2440814]

Webcam platforms are set up as porn sites..

Livestream platforms are mostly setup for everyone. [/QUOTE]Thanks both. I wouldn't pay $30 for a live cam show! The livestream platforms are probably useful for practising Spanish.

I'm planning a 6 night trip in September for my 40th and hoping the world goes back to semi-normal by then. I have done a lot of reading here, read Routard's guide and been looking around the forum as well. That being said, is this the right venue to ask questions? I don't want to spam the channel with 30+ questions, but I an also looking for information that I don't think is quite addressed in these FAQS.

Thoughts? Thanks, guys!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2440968]And there is also a third platform. The other night I stayed over a chick's place here in Thailand. She said she meets guys on the dating sites. They deposit $30-$50 in her paypal. She gets on whatsapp or whatever with them and does a camshow for 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]That's not so much a platform as a entrepreneur. You can find those all over the world. Just women who reach out to guys wherever they can and convince them to send money for a sex show. Used to be huge in the Philippines, now it seems to be really common in Vietnam.

Even better, there are quite a few escorts who use the livestream platforms to get guys to follow their Snapchat. Besides selling pictures and videos from there, they advertise their travel schedule so guys can come fuck them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2440968]And there is also a third platform. ----------------------------------- She said she meets guys on the dating sites. They deposit $30-$50 in her paypal. She gets on whatsapp or whatever with them and does a camshow for 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]This is very popular with girls living in Venezuela, and Philippine. They will seek you out. I ended up chatting with one. I said I can't go to your country, then she offered to perform any requests online for money via paypal. I was not interested so I said I would send her some money anyway, how much was the service? She told me it's based on the request. I said show me the receipts so I have an idea on how much to send as I don't want her to perform anything. I was surprised to learn the minimum she showed me was US $50. The highest was $100. Many others in between. I think that is a significant amount of money in Venezuela. This girl looks like a normal girl, a little chubby, the attractive part to me is she looks like a girl next door, and that is it.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2441048]I'm planning a 6 night trip in September for my 40th and hoping the world goes back to semi-normal by then. I have done a lot of reading here, read Routard's guide and been looking around the forum as well. That being said, is this the right venue to ask questions? I don't want to spam the channel with 30+ questions, but I an also looking for information that I don't think is quite addressed in these FAQS.

Thoughts? Thanks, guys![/QUOTE]It's good to do your research and plan things out, but I wouldn't pull the trigger yet if I were you. Wait and see when the border opens up officially. It's too early to make predictions. Colombia will most likely open to residents first, and then foreigners. If you're coming from the US, like me, we're on the black list right now due to all the active cases. Things have to settle down everywhere before any traveling happens. I know how you feel, because I had the same idea as I turn 40 this year as well. But, it is what it is. Just be patient. Trust me, the girls will be there when all this is under control. In the meantime, practice your Spanish and read thoroughly through the forum. There's a lot of good guys on the forum that can help with questions, but only if you do your research first. Nine times out of ten, your questions have most likely already been discussed on here.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2441048]I'm planning a 6 night trip in September for my 40th and hoping the world goes back to semi-normal by then. I have done a lot of reading here, read Routard's guide and been looking around the forum as well. That being said, is this the right venue to ask questions? I don't want to spam the channel with 30+ questions, but I an also looking for information that I don't think is quite addressed in these FAQS.

Thoughts? Thanks, guys![/QUOTE]Instead of posting 30+ questions, I've found it more effective to come up with a plan and then share it in the forum for feedback. The research you'll have to do in order to create a plan will probably answer a lot of your questions.

Your plan should include the rough timeframe of when you plan to visit (sharing that you'll be there for 6 nights is a great start), the places you'll go, how you plan to get around, and, if possible, the girls you plan to fuck (or the services you'll use to find girls to fuck). Be as detailed as possible. You'll probably end up with a handful of questions left over, and you can post them at the end of your plan.

Good luck.

--Atanion.

[QUOTE=Atanion;2441182]Instead of posting 30+ questions, I've found it more effective to come up with a plan and then share it in the forum for feedback. The research you'll have to do in order to create a plan will probably answer a lot of your questions.

Your plan should include the rough timeframe of when you plan to visit (sharing that you'll be there for 6 nights is a great start), the places you'll go, how you plan to get around, and, if possible, the girls you plan to fuck (or the services you'll use to find girls to fuck). Be as detailed as possible. You'll probably end up with a handful of questions left over, and you can post them at the end of your plan.

Good luck.

--Atanion.[/QUOTE]Yes and no.

The problem with plans for first timers is they are either too conservative or unrealistic.

First step, get a paid subscription here. It sometimes takes awhile, but it's worth it. That way you can communicate directly with people, instead of hoping someone sees your post.

Next, and he's already started, tell the board what you enjoy, whether you're looking for daytime or nighttime action, what's your budget and what's most important. Some guys are only wanting the most beautiful girl, they don't care if she lays there like an inflatable doll. Some guys want giant tits or asses, some need the BBBJ. No sense in directing someone to Santa Fe if they'd be happier in the north clubs.

Once people know what you're about, they can better guide you in the right direction.

Be smart. New "Pico y Genero" rules.

[URL]http://thecitypaperbogota.com/bogota/bogota-to-enforce-gender-based-mobility-during-lockdown-announces-lopez/24497?fbclid=IwAR0ppl3C4iSpY1UaZdULCzRSpMkiNonrJ6zts7LP--KuqQKoPtjNK7Y72Sg[/URL]

In a virtual press conference, the Mayor has restricted pedestrian and vehicular mobility in the entire city based on gender. Men will be able to do essential errands on all days ending with an ODD number, and women, on all days with an EVEN number.

[B]@Orgasmico[/B] / [B]@JjBee62[/B] / [B]@Atanion[/B] - thanks guys. Appreciate the feedback here. (posting once instead of spamming with three thank-you replies).

Already a member. I didn't want to be one of those guys who just ask questions and didn't contribute at least financially. (although bitcoin was a bit of a pain) I have been doing a ton of research and planning and spent the better part of the last 5 days during free time reading reports almost a year back in each category to catch up. Here is my current plan.

Practice more of my Spanish. I'm conversational, but lack context for sex, adult language, etc.

]I have been working adult language specifically. Started a document of things less often found that we could turn info an FAQ for people if you guys want me to share it. (ie: how to translate cum on your face).

Already have a flight booked - caught DeltaOne cabin direct on a flash sale - if things go south, I'm a diamond so it will just roll to credit. Same with the hotel, can cancel the last minute with no worries. I have the JW Marriott and AC Zona T booked tentative.

I have put about 10 hours into a custom google map. I know there are some on the board already, but I wanted someone that is a little more custom. I have mine now sorted by region, different icons per category, collapsable categories, color schemes, etc. I have everything on there: Night Clubs, Day Casas, Night Casas, Clubs, Pharmacies, Restaurants, etc, etc, etc. I have been doing TONS of research and tying them to Google Geocoordinates for places with reviews, etc

I'm going to spend the next few months working on things and crossing my fingers that the world goes back to normal, then post a pretty detailed plan with my preferences and get feedback.

[QUOTE]I have been working adult language specifically. Started a document of things less often found that we could turn info an FAQ for people if you guys want me to share it. (ie: how to translate cum on your face).

Already have a flight booked - caught DeltaOne cabin direct on a flash sale - if things go south, I'm a diamond so it will just roll to credit. Same with the hotel, can cancel the last minute with no worries. I have the JW Marriott and AC Zona T booked tentative.

I have put about 10 hours into a custom google map. I know there are some on the board already, but I wanted someone that is a little more custom. I have mine now sorted by region, different icons per category, collapsable categories, color schemes, etc. I have everything on there: Night Clubs, Day Casas, Night Casas, Clubs, Pharmacies, Restaurants, etc, etc, etc. I have been doing TONS of research and tying them to Google Geocoordinates for places with reviews, etc[/QUOTE]Damn, brother, when is the last time you got laid? More power to you, ha, ha. Good that you're ambitious, but you need to understand something: things are not going to be exactly as they were in the aftermath. I'd hate to see someone set themselves up with certain expectations and take a fall. Glad you're learning the hot spots, but you need to see how things play out before mapping the entire city, otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Just trying to save you a little time, my man. Anyway, you want to add a phrase to your translation book? "Cabeza abajo, culo arriba. " After that, just let the package do the work. Even though I can tell you and I roll differently, I hope it all works out for you.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2441496]Damn, brother, when is the last time you got laid? More power to you, ha, ha. Good that you're ambitious, but you need to understand something: things are not going to be exactly as they were in the aftermath. I'd hate to see someone set themselves up with certain expectations and take a fall. Glad you're learning the hot spots, but you need to see how things play out before mapping the entire city, otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Just trying to save you a little time, my man. Anyway, you want to add a phrase to your translation book? "Cabeza abajo, culo arriba. " After that, just let the package do the work. Even though I can tell you and I roll differently, I hope it all works out for you.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thanks for the advice. Got laid last night actually I'm just a planner by nature and want to have options for when I go. Your phrase there, yep, already got that one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2439531]For mongers? For the ones who have not lost their jobs, it will be off the chain. There will be less competition from men, the existing women will be desperate, the exchange rate will still be favorable, and many of the women who were not selling themselves will be seeing no choice but to do so. The only downside is the border with Venezuela probably will not be opened up for a while.

The best mongering activities in recent time may have been Buenos Aires in 2002 or so and Russia and Ukraine a few years before that. Colombia in 2020 could possibly rival those times.[/QUOTE]Greetings Mr Presley, big fan here. Would you be so kind as to tell us mongers who weren't mongering circa 2002 what Argentina / Russia / Ukraine were like at the time? I know you're referring to those countries going through economic turmoil, but did that translate to a noticeable difference in the quality of women you'd see selling the goods? Or was it business as usual at lower prices? And why do you think Colombia specifically (and not everywhere else in the world) will rival those times? Blessings.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2442050]Greetings Mr Presley, big fan here. Would you be so kind as to tell us mongers who weren't mongering circa 2002 what Argentina / Russia / Ukraine were like at the time? I know you're referring to those countries going through economic turmoil, but did that translate to a noticeable difference in the quality of women you'd see selling the goods? Or was it business as usual at lower prices? And why do you think Colombia specifically (and not everywhere else in the world) will rival those times? Blessings.[/QUOTE]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the world. My best mongering was in Buenos Aires up to 2010.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2442172]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the world. My best mongering was in Buenos Aires up to 2010.[/QUOTE]I have to admit, the most beautiful girl I've ever been with was in Buenos Aires, of course it was prior to the collapse of the once great monger scene there.

Incredibly, I met her in a small private apartment with a lineup of several other girls.

I couldn't believe when she walked out to present herself.

18 year old beauty.

Unfortunately the next day when I returned, the lady running the apartment laughed when I asked for her, saying a rich Argentine client whisked her away.

On the other hand, BA had some of the ugliest girls that I've seen as WG as well.

I agree on the Argentine top notch beauty, however, lots of uggs as well.

I can easily say, that in general, IMO, that Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil have better looking WG as a whole.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2442213]I have to admit, the most beautiful girl I've ever been with was in Buenos Aires, of course it was prior to the collapse of the once great monger scene there.

Incredibly, I met her in a small private apartment with a lineup of several other girls.

I couldn't believe when she walked out to present herself.

18 year old beauty.

Unfortunately the next day when I returned, the lady running the apartment laughed when I asked for her, saying a rich Argentine client whisked her away.

On the other hand, BA had some of the ugliest girls that I've seen as WG as well.

I agree on the Argentine top notch beauty, however, lots of uggs as well.

I can easily say, that in general, IMO, that Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil have better looking WG as a whole.[/QUOTE]Just my experience and yes I have mongered many places including Russia, Ukraine, Canada, Philippines, USA, DR, MX, South America, etc. My most beautiful woman that I ever experienced was in a termas in Rio back in 2000, such beauty I could almost just admire her than fuck her.

They say that beauty is hard to describe but you will know it when you see it and this is so true. My Rio girl has been etched into my mind forever. My second best is a 20 yo Czech girl back in about 1997 whom I met in a sex club, incredible, both of these girls and perhaps another one or two from Moscow could be as they say "so beautiful that I could wack off from just looking at their shadow".

The Tall man.

I agree with Balboa. IMO Brasil, Colombia, and Venezuela have the best-looking women in the World. If I had to pick one, I'd go with Venezuela. Though I haven't been there in 17 years, they are quite a few Venezuelans in my city in the States and they're generally hot.

If one is more into "white" Latinas, obviously they'd prefer Argentina (though when I visited, they were quite a few girls from other Latin countries plying their trade in Buenos Aries).

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2442050]Greetings Mr Presley, big fan here. Would you be so kind as to tell us mongers who weren't mongering circa 2002 what Argentina / Russia / Ukraine were like at the time? I know you're referring to those countries going through economic turmoil, but did that translate to a noticeable difference in the quality of women you'd see selling the goods? Or was it business as usual at lower prices? And why do you think Colombia specifically (and not everywhere else in the world) will rival those times? Blessings.[/QUOTE]I actually went to Russia when it was the old Soviet Union, and I was very young. I would go to clubs, and the women would literally grab me and my cock. I felt so special because we got to eat in the best restaurants, shop in special shops, and for whatever reason, the people were bat shit crazy over Polaroid cameras. I felt like fucking royalty.

I was too young to know that I could have fucked practically any woman I wanted in the USSR at the time, and there were some beauties. So when I was in the Ukraine and Russia a decade or so later, I was stunned to see the same thing. The crime was awful, but let me put it this way. Outside of a politicians' wife, every woman was for sale. A lot of these women were the Russian gymnast ballerina types, real blondes. The top women would not fuck you but the drop off between #1 and a former #1 who fucked up her knee or was #30 and a nobody is not that steep. So imagine how tight and flexible fucking a world class gymnast and ballerina was for $50 or a $100 for the night. People do not get oil was way down back then and people in those nations were literally starving.

Jamaica was a little like that in when I went to any random disco in the city, EVERY woman was for sale and some were beauties while others were not.

Argentina in 2002 was much the same way. People were not starving, but things were really bad. The government devalued the peso from one to the dollar to 3. Automatically, everyone had 1/3 as much money in their accounts as they did. You would go out have a steak, salad, and desert at a top of the line restaurant for like $5. They have shut them down now, but the club or boliches like Black's and I think it was Madaho's (I can't remember the exact name) were filled with women 100's of unbelievable beauties. My first choice did all I wanted bareback, BJ, anal, and a 2 hour massage for $100 for not just the whole night but the whole next day. 8's and 9's were availbale in apartments for $20 or $30. My girl was too nice, too hot to stay in that place, a bonafide 10 and later she married a rich Chilean. It was my first real introduction to Latin women, and their passion, moves, and energy were unlike any I had seen before. I came to realize that I loved women of Spanish origin.

If you get on the Medellin board, you will get a flavor of what is happening. I am not going to get into it because I have a strategy that is paying off in spades now for when I get down there, but I will say the desperation in Colombia now is not quite at the level of Argentina, Ukraine, or Russia, but the fear is there, and it is very real. A lot of women will do whatever takes to help out their loved ones if you know what it means.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2442272]Argentina in 2002 was much the same way. People were not starving, but things were really bad. The government devalued the peso from one to the dollar to 3. Automatically, everyone had 1/3 as much money in their accounts as they did. You would go out have a steak, salad, and desert at a top of the line restaurant for like $5.[/QUOTE]I was in school in Buenos Aires in 2003. We had to visiit the Simmons mattress factory. I remember the manager that was showing us around said they went from making the equivalent of $800/month to 1/3 of that overnight the year before. We were boss ballin on those cheap ass steaks. You had to be careful of the prices though. One of my classmates had a leather skirt made. She thought it was 200 pesos. It ended up being $200!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2442293]I remember the manager that was showing us around said they went from making the equivalent of $800/month to 1/3 of that overnight the year before. We were boss ballin on those cheap ass steaks.[/QUOTE]Because Argentina Private sucks, we are not getting the pricing in Argentina like we were. Argentina just defaulted on its debt again. So I look up hotels again. The most exclusive hotel is Alvear Palace, $285 a night. Who in Argentina has that kind of money? It was $100 when I was there before and 3 pesos to the dollar, and it is 65 pesos to the dollar now.

I looked at the Intercontinental, stayed there for $75 a night, and now it is $165.

I do not get it. I do not get why the hotels in Bogota are half of what BA and Lima are and the women in Colombia are available for so much less than Argentina and Peru. That is why I am always returning to Colombia and am thankful, but I do not get why Colombia is such a bargain.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2442659]Because Argentina Private sucks, we are not getting the pricing in Argentina like we were. Argentina just defaulted on its debt again. So I look up hotels again. The most exclusive hotel is Alvear Palace, $285 a night. Who in Argentina has that kind of money? It was $100 when I was there before and 3 pesos to the dollar, and it is 65 pesos to the dollar now.

I looked at the Intercontinental, stayed there for $75 a night, and now it is $165.

I do not get it. I do not get why the hotels in Bogota are half of what BA and Lima are and the women in Colombia are available for so much less than Argentina and Peru. That is why I am always returning to Colombia and am thankful, but I do not get why Colombia is such a bargain.[/QUOTE]I also could never understand why in a country like Nicaragua the hotel prices and the girls were so expensive compared to Colombia. It is the second poorest country in the hemisphere.

Same goes for Haiti which is even poorer.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2442775]I also could never understand why in a country like Nicaragua the hotel prices and the girls were so expensive compared to Colombia. It is the second poorest country in the hemisphere.
Same goes for Haiti which is even poorer.[/QUOTE]There's a surfeit of cheap places. What these countries don't have is mid-range hostelry. Without mass market tourism, they're not needed. Just cheap for the locals, and Intercontinental class for the expense accounters.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2442775]I also could never understand why in a country like Nicaragua the hotel prices and the girls were so expensive compared to Colombia. It is the second poorest country in the hemisphere.

Same goes for Haiti which is even poorer.[/QUOTE]In Nicaragua and Haiti, girls are so easily available to the local men that generally they don't pay for poontang. The high prices are exclusively for foreigners. There are so few hotels in those countries that prices per room are high. Perhaps someone could explain Argentina, prices were good for me when I went there which was until 2010.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2442804]In Nicaragua and Haiti, girls are so easily available to the local men that generally they don't pay for poontang. The high prices are exclusively for foreigners. There are so few hotels in those countries that prices per room are high. Perhaps someone could explain Argentina, prices were good for me when I went there which was until 2010.[/QUOTE]Mongers in Colombia get spoiled compared to many other countries. Hotels are cheap and plentiful near the action, and you can have any type of girl you want for peanuts. BA runs the gamut in hotel prices, but with places like Haiti, Nicaragua, and west Africa, it's best to ask a local. A few years back, I was in Nicaragua just before the uprising happened. I took a bus from Managua to Granada, and was dropped off in the evening without having a place to stay. I asked the first local walking by where to find a cheap place. He took me to a guy who was running a converted house with three rooms. The price was seventeen bucks a night. I happened to get lucky getting that cheap room, plus the guy I asked on the street turned into my unofficial guide for the cost of a bottle of rum. To top it off, I ended up hooking up with the maid who took care of the place. I'm glad too because the mongering is slim pickings in Nicaragua. With the high quality, many options, and low prices in Colombia, I scratched Central America off my list. Even CR is too expensive in comparison. Colombia is definitely the working man's mongering country of choice.

Anyone know if Chica fees are standard in Bogota? I'm planning on staying at the JW Marriott and I will bring a blazer or small coat for the girl to wear when they come back TLN, but wondering what the policy is there.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2444573]Anyone know if Chica fees are standard in Bogota? I'm planning on staying at the JW Marriott and I will bring a blazer or small coat for the girl to wear when they come back TLN, but wondering what the policy is there.[/QUOTE]You can choose from a ton of other places a fifth of the price a lot closer to the street action, and they won't give a damn about bringing girls back. It's a win / win. I always do ST rooms right there, but I asked at Oceania for the hell of it in case I found a great one about bringing girls back. The response was, "It's your room. " That's how you'll get more bang for the buck.

Hello,

I am going to Peru in October and I have the possibility of a 6 and a half hour layover in Bogota. The only reason I would do it is to do a drive-by. My question is that even possible given customs, to and from airport etc. I hope to do an extended trip another time but this time it is Peru. Any advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2444573]Anyone know if Chica fees are standard in Bogota? I'm planning on staying at the JW Marriott and I will bring a blazer or small coat for the girl to wear when they come back TLN, but wondering what the policy is there.[/QUOTE]I stayed at a Marriott, not JW, but I had no problem bringing women in. I do not recall having to register any of them either. Maybe one time?

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2444726]I asked at Oceania for the hell of it in case I found a great one about bringing girls back. The response was, "It's your room. " That's how you'll get more bang for the buck.[/QUOTE]Yes it is your room, but they charge 54K for each person after the first one that you bring in during your stay. I have never seen any mongers or gringos there. It is mostly families and business people. I have never brought hookers there, only normal chicks and was charged. That is why I only stay there now if I plan on being with only 1 chick.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2444767]I stayed at a Marriott, not JW, but I had no problem bringing women in. I do not recall having to register any of them either. [/QUOTE]It was many years ago, but I had the same experience there as well. Just walked around the corner to the elevators to the left and went upstairs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2444768]Yes it is your room, but they charge 54K for each person after the first one that you bring in during your stay. I have never seen any mongers or gringos there. It is mostly families and business people. I have never brought hookers there, only normal chicks and was charged. That is why I only stay there now if I plan on being with only 1 chick.[/QUOTE]It is mostly families, but it's a nice hotel with cheap prices and close by with a short walk down 24 to the action. Like I mentioned, I do the deed on site, so never worry about it, but who knows how the policies will change when things come back, which I firmly believe will be next year. With hospital personnel in quarantine and people hanging red bandanas outside their homes because they have no food, the situation is just going down the tubes.

Oceania quoted girl entrance fee of 54 K when I asked 5 months ago.

Almost every high end hotel charges high end prices unless they have like a second behind the scenes entrance for you to use.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2444837]It is mostly families, but it's a nice hotel with cheap prices and close by with a short walk down 24 to the action. [/QUOTE]Exactly this; Place is very nice, price is low and it has restaurants on property. I'm looking to arrange a "girlfriend / s" for the week to help me take advantage of the property, massages, go to the pool, etc. She would go out with me, and then if she helps me score at other places it would increase the propina for each day. I'm in for a mix of pre-arranged, but also looking to go out to bang 2-3 girls per day between casas, clubs, etc.

[QUOTE=RonhinCruz;2444751]Hello,

I am going to Peru in October and I have the possibility of a 6 and a half hour layover in Bogota. The only reason I would do it is to do a drive-by. My question is that even possible given customs, to and from airport etc. I hope to do an extended trip another time but this time it is Peru. Any advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't attempt that. From my times in Bogota 6 hours wouldn't be enough time to get out of customs, ride the 1 hour in traffic to wherever you're planning to have a quickie, then back to the airport. The process of getting through security at bog to depart can be very long. I spent about 2 hours once between arriving at the airport and getting through all security.

You're also adding a second country to the mix that may not let you in due to covid 19.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2445055]I wouldn't attempt that. From my times in Bogota 6 hours wouldn't be enough time to get out of customs, ride the 1 hour in traffic to wherever you're planning to have a quickie, then back to the airport. The process of getting through security at bog to depart can be very long. I spent about 2 hours once between arriving at the airport and getting through all security.

You're also adding a second country to the mix that may not let you in due to covid 19.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Depending on the time you land you can clear customs in as little as 30 minutes. If Santa Fe opens up you can be there in 20 minutes from airport. Another possibility is La Mezzanine in the north and depending on the hour you can be there in 45 minutes. Never have spent more then 1 hour getting to my gate. 6 hours should be plenty of time to bang 1 or 2 girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2442172]Argentina has the most beautiful women in the world. My best mongering was in Buenos Aires up to 2010.[/QUOTE]My two cents, I was in BA in 2011 for work, didn't know much about the apartments there, so just checked in the news paper and found one near my hotel. It was a really big apartment in an old but very well maintained building. I went up and sat down, a drink was offered. The "madam" was very friendly and kept on asking what kind of girls I would like so she could filter the presentation because there were more than 15 girls. I told her I want them young, slim and pretty. She laughed but then she came back with such a beauty. 18 years old, natural blonde, white skin, lovely smile, a bit cold but she was so pretty. I told her she is perfect and then the madam took me to a room, a big room with a big bed and dimmed lights. She offered BBBJ or condom BJ and I told her BBBJ. It was rare that this was offered because in Bogotá at the time it was rare for working girls to do BBBJ. Anyhow I paid, madam left and then comes the pretty blond dressed in a white transparent negligee with matching g-string panties. She was so incredible beautiful. We talked a bit, then we kissed, then we touched a bit and then she went for the condom to do BJ but I told her I had agreed with the madam on BBBJ, she said ok, and started a wonderful wet BBBJ. Then we had sex in several positions, she let me DATY and even touch her asshole a bit. She seemed new to the business although you never know. I asked if I could come on her boobs and she said ok, so condom out and I finished on her boobs and then she sucked me a bit more. Gave her a tip and off I went. Tried next day but she was not there and then my trip was over. Great experience. Can't remember the price exactly but it was around 40 USD.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2445107]I disagree. Depending on the time you land you can clear customs in as little as 30 minutes. If Santa Fe opens up you can be there in 20 minutes from airport. Another possibility is La Mezzanine in the north and depending on the hour you can be there in 45 minutes. Never have spent more then 1 hour getting to my gate. 6 hours should be plenty of time to bang 1 or 2 girls.[/QUOTE]Mr. Woodman glad to see your ok. I was worried about you as it seemed you had some symtoms when I saw you in bog in March.

As far as this guy wanting to hook up for the few hours he is in Bog well since he said he is going to Peru and this is a very short layover I will personally guarentee him there is pussy in Peru if he could wait a few hours.

Everything is still shut down but many restaurants are open for take out. Nothing like it's legendary past but there are a few streetie sweeties that use hotels that are clandestinely open. Police move along periodically. Everything is closed by 9 pm. During the day you can meet girls in the streets downtown many out walking around.

I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2445571]Everything is still shut down but many restaurants are open for take out. Nothing like it's legendary past but there are a few streetie sweeties that use hotels that are clandestinely open. Police move along periodically. Everything is closed by 9 pm. During the day you can meet girls in the streets downtown many out walking around.

I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.[/QUOTE]This is amazing news. I have a trip in October and I'm really looking forward to it; Glad to see it's slowly coming back to life there.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2445571]
I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.[/QUOTE]I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04Rnvl9hxo&feature=em-uploademail[/URL].

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: [URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation[/URL].

What will be needed is for the USA To take the lead and admit the negatives of social and border isolation outweigh the supposed benefits.

Assuming I and others are right, what is your take on things there? The chicas I have been talking to are desperate, and I have been able to communicate with ones that I had been trying to for months. I think the chicas may be gun shy for a month or so, but my bet is that in a month or two, Bogota and Colombia will be off the fucking chain.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2446018]I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04Rnvl9hxo&feature=em-uploademail[/URL].

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: [URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation[/URL].

What will be needed is for the USA To take the lead and admit the negatives of social and border isolation outweigh the supposed benefits.

Assuming I and others are right, what is your take on things there? The chicas I have been talking to are desperate, and I have been able to communicate with ones that I had been trying to for months. I think the chicas may be gun shy for a month or so, but my bet is that in a month or two, Bogota and Colombia will be off the fucking chain.[/QUOTE]You are profoundly misinformed. In two weeks from now you will be ashamed.

Straya borders to possibly open in 3 to 4 months.

The undetermined is will people still have to quarantine in and out of countries. Hopefully not？.

A quick temperature reading or a certificate of clear test on departure should be sufficient one would hope.

Overseas holiday.

Earlier this week, Professor Murphy said Australia's international borders would remain closed for at least another three to four months.

"The international situation at the moment is such that any relaxation of border measures would be very risky," he told a senate committee.

Kanga.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2446018]I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04Rnvl9hxo&feature=em-uploademail[/URL].

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: [URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation[/URL]..[/QUOTE]Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement [B]suggested[/B] social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?

Hi guys,

Thanks for posting your experiences here to help out others participating in the craft. Got a couple of questions.

Since everyone's mongering style varies person to person, I'll just share what I prefer. In my last few trips to Bangkok, I prefer to just go in for a quick BBBJ CIM in one of the Thai BJ bars. It's quick, it's cheap, and there's nothing I like more in the world than having my dick sucked. Typically I'm looking at 10-15 minutes from the time I spot the girl until the deed is done and I'm typically out 800-1000 THB ($28-$33 USD).

After RTFF's, Santa Fe is really drawing me in. As far as I can tell, 30,000 to 50,000 COP for a 30 min session seemed to be the going rate. I'm assuming another 10,000 COP for the short-time hotel. Does this sound correct so far? I'm assuming this is "todo" with "sin ropa. " As far as extras, specifically BBBJ CIM, what am I looking at cost-wise? Or, is that generally the case. Also, do most of the girls perform DFK as part of their services generally, or is this too an extra?

Currency, recommendations on how to change currency? What do you guys usually do? In Thailand, I typically just take bank notes with me and exchange at Vasu, Super Rich (or TT in Pattaya). In Costa Rica, I just used the ATM at the airport.

I can't wait for this pandemic to be over so I can start delivering my loads to hungry mouths again. BTW, if anyone needs a wingman, I'm up for either Bogota or Medellin. Once we can travel again, I can go anytime.

People always complaining about limited food options or plain boring food in Bogota. I never found that to be the case.

Just saw this article in the newspaper. I have eaten at some of these bakeries but didn't know about the Pacific Seafood restuarant, or the cheese specialties:

"Parkway could also be dubbed "Bakery Row" given the many family-run establishments that cater to the sweet tooth of Bogotanos. Today, there is no shortage of pizzerias to choose from. Pastelera Rommanoti on the corner of Cra 28 with Calle 37 is where you'll find bread pilgrims hunched over hot chocolate and sugar-glazed rolls. The more austere Pastelera Toledo (Calle 45 with Cra 24) refers to itself as a "wedding bakery" with stands decked with jarring colorful cakes.

The Parkway / Palermo corridor caters to students from Universidad Nacional. And many others, especially those food-dedicated, endure with a no-frills take on gastronomy, such as the Pacific seafood restaurant Pescadera the'Apolonia (Cra 24 No. 49 A-0). Here, you can enjoy a heaping platter of fried fish with coconut rice and bowl of fish stew sancocho on the side. Across Carrera 24 from the street front of this restaurant is another popular restaurant Al Gratin, which specializes in cheese dishes, including lasagna, and offers a daily special for $15,000 pesos."

I pass this location when I walk from Santa Fe to Chapinero and it's close to the Body Care gym I go to on Calle 45.

The fish stew looks like a winner!

Kanga.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2446136]If we apply those same numbers to the USA, ?[/QUOTE]Or, even better if we don't.

Why not post this info in the USA thread where it may be of interest to those of you from the USA.

What's happening or hypothetically may happen in the US.

Really.

Kanga.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2446136]Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement [B]suggested[/B] social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?[/QUOTE]This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.

The situation is so odd here, poor Venezuelans are cooking with fires on the sidewalk. Santa Fe area is road blocked to traffic with dozens of cops just hanging out. You can walk into Santa Fe and there are girls during day and the cops don't say a thing to me, girls day / boys day does not seem to be enforced. I ran into one of my favorite barely legal girls banged her twice. About an hour after dark the cops close everything.

[QUOTE=HumanBeing1;2446397]This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.[/QUOTE]Your resistance level I think is the key to this whole flu business. For the last few years many people have died from the regular flu. I have been around many people who caught the flu but I did not. Now this new virus is way more easy to pass from person to person. That said if a person is careful on his lifestyle then he has a way better chance to avoid being sick. I'm not just talking about masks. I'm referring to eating right, getting exercise, and getting enough sleep.

I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2446489]I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting question. Recent antibody studies in California and New York suggest 30-80 times as many people reported as having had COVID-19 have already been exposed to the virus (10-25% of the population). This, alone, lowers the mortality rate from 2-4% to less than 1%, perhaps less than 0. 5%. The flu has a mortality rate of 0. 1% if not a bit lower.

But you asked about the accuracy of the count, and there is some monkey business going on in that regard. A death is being counted as a COVID death if the person died after being exposed to the virus. Even if the person died in a car accident. So, the virus death count is people who died with the virus, not necessarily because of the virus.

Stage 4 cancer patients often finally succumb to pneumonia, but their death is generally attributed to the cancer, and the pneumonia may be mentioned as a contributing factor. If that same patient gets this virus, the death is listed as a COVID death. This is one reason why the rates of death for other causes is down since this pandemic started.

Finally, deaths prior to the pandemic are being reviewed, and if there is some evidence that they may have had COVID-19, they are being added to the death tolls. So, if they died from the flu, they may be counted as a COVID-19 death since symptoms are so similar.

I have no special medical knowledge, or anything, but I suspect this virus will ultimately have a death rate less than 0.4%. Ultimately, I believe 80% of us will be exposed, and some won't even know it. Our reaction to shutting down a very large segment of the economy will also have a cost, both economic and psychological. I fear we are obsessed with saving lives (in the short term) and not realizing the true cost of extended shutdowns.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2446136]Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement [B]suggested[/B] social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?[/QUOTE]PVM, your numbers are based on opinions not concrete facts. The number of deaths is an opinion not a fact. The testing for Covid is 70% sensitive. WHO said 3. 5% mortality. Fauci said 1%. California says 0. 1 to 0. 3%. I do not care now. I wanted to talk about women and sex.

From my POV, the new data is going to be used to justify opening things up. You can disagree but it is not up to you or me. What I see happening is the USA Opens up and other countries follow our lead. I just wanted to know from Woodman how things are in Bogota because I think things are going to open up pretty quick. Thanks Woodman for the on the ground report. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=WhoShotJR;2446526]

But you asked about the accuracy of the count, and there is some monkey business going on in that regard. A death is being counted as a COVID death if the person died after being exposed to the virus. Even if the person died in a car accident. So, the virus death count is people who died with the virus, not necessarily because of the virus.

Stage 4 cancer patients often finally succumb to pneumonia, but their death is generally attributed to the cancer, and the pneumonia may be mentioned as a contributing factor. If that same patient gets this virus, the death is listed as a COVID death. This is one reason why the rates of death for other causes is down since this pandemic started.
[/QUOTE]A very interesting take, and spot on in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2447165]A very interesting take, and spot on in my opinion.[/QUOTE]If someone has a fatal stroke while driving, resulting in a serious accident, unless an autopsy is performed, cause of death: vehicle accident. Prior to classification and basic understanding of the novel coronavirus, deaths from pneumonia were ruled death from pneumonia. However, there was a spike in pneumonia deaths prior to the first known coronavirus deaths in the US. Several states are now reviewing deaths in January and February, because we now know the disease was spreading here before first suspected. Indiana has estimated this will add around 100 deaths. Other more populated states could see significantly more deaths.

Until recently it wasn't known that the virus causes other forms of death, including pulmonary embolism, stroke, heart failure among others. That also will likely add to the number.

Many states, my own included are not counting cases inside jails and prisons and are not counting nursing home deaths. In my county the actual deaths are 18% higher than what the state has recorded because 2 patients died before they could be transferred from the nursing home to the hospital.

The "they were near death anyway" or "they had an underlying condition" argument is brainless. If a person is lying in the street, having fallen Fri a 6th floor balcony, literally seconds away from death, and I shoot them in the head, do I go free? Or is it classified as murder? If a person with a few weeks left to live, dying from incurable, inoperable cancer, slips and falls and breaks their neck, is it ruled a cancer death?

Don't worry. They're going to force things to open back up in just a few weeks, only days in some places. And around the first of June we'll know whether or not that was the right thing to do.

[QUOTE=WhoShotJR;2446526]
Finally, deaths prior to the pandemic are being reviewed, and if there is some evidence that they may have had COVID-19, they are being added to the death tolls. So, if they died from the flu, they may be counted as a COVID-19 death since symptoms are so similar.

I have no special medical knowledge, or anything, but I suspect this virus will ultimately have a death rate less than 0.4%. Ultimately, I believe 80% of us will be exposed, and some won't even know it. Our reaction to shutting down a very large segment of the economy will also have a cost, both economic and psychological. I fear we are obsessed with saving lives (in the short term) and not realizing the true cost of extended shutdowns.[/QUOTE]You are onto something JR. See the link, [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/[/URL].

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for if they're Medicare typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000. ".

See this link: [URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/[/URL].

In an interview with FactCheck. Org, however, Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons.

So the same hospitals that charge $500 for an Aspirin and a $1000 for a stuffed Teddy bear would never, ever intentionally pressure doctors to say Covid for $39,000? LOL.

This factcheck. Org really does not seem to be getting any facts right IMO.

I don't know if the counts on Covid are high or low, but they sure as hell are far from 100% accurate, and that is a huge problem when it comes to making decisions about what to do in the future.

Just came back, pretty much same police state over there. Police roust the girls every so often and move them down the road. So you have to find a hottie and bang her before the cops roust.

There were a about 20-30 girls scattered in the various corners.

I banged 2 girls both girls that were kinda girl friendish knew my deal what I wanted. Both were young 20's SuperCuties. 1 white Colombian and a light skinned Venezuelan.

Pulled there hair while gagging them BBBJ. Banged them hard made them feel good, both having fun. Paid like $8-$10.

I will have one over to my place soon for 2 hour session. My target price to pay is about $35. Or $150,000 pesos or maybe less like $25.

News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2450129]News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Going to be very interesting to see which ones stay alive, which ones start to code share with bigger carriers and which ones just belly up and take people's money and dissolve as RyanAir did. The good news though is that while it will be expensive for a while, competitors will come back, the nature of the free market economy.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2450129]News today of Avianca filing for bankruptcy.

Not a total surprise. KPMG has "substantial doubts" about the carrier's ability to exist a year from now.

My routes always had a couple of Avianca flights, it was convenient and economic. Not sure what the alternative is? Hopefully Qantas and Latam and the others can find one.

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Bankruptcy is just a means to erase debt. American Airlines declared bankruptcy and had $4 billion in cash. The planes are there. The debtors will take them over and sell them to a different airline or Avianca will come back restructured and leaner and meaner. Every major USA Legacy carrier has declared bankruptcy. The small budget ones like Jetblue, Spirit, and Southwest (not much of a budget airline anymore) have not gone broke. From a passenger's point of view, unless you had tickets with Avianca or other perks, it is pretty much a non-event.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2447656]Just came back, pretty much same police state over there. Police roust the girls every so often and move them down the road. So you have to find a hottie and bang her before the cops roust.

There were a about 20-30 girls scattered in the various corners.

I banged 2 girls both girls that were kinda girl friendish knew my deal what I wanted. Both were young 20's SuperCuties. 1 white Colombian and a light skinned Venezuelan.

Pulled there hair while gagging them BBBJ. Banged them hard made them feel good, both having fun. Paid like $8-$10.

I will have one over to my place soon for 2 hour session. My target price to pay is about $35. Or $150,000 pesos or maybe less like $25.[/QUOTE]When you say a 2-hour session, are you referring to the street girl? I check online websites and most of them usually USD $70 per hour.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2450815]Bankruptcy is just a means to erase debt. American Airlines declared bankruptcy and had $4 billion in cash. The planes are there. The debtors will take them over and sell them to a different airline or Avianca will come back restructured and leaner and meaner. Every major USA Legacy carrier has declared bankruptcy. The small budget ones like Jetblue, Spirit, and Southwest (not much of a budget airline anymore) have not gone broke. From a passenger's point of view, unless you had tickets with Avianca or other perks, it is pretty much a non-event.[/QUOTE]My feeling about the Avianca bankruptcy is that the Colombian government will bail them out. Some way or another. This is the country's main airline, they fly routes not only in Colombia but all over central and So. America. There's too much money involved to let them go under. And they bring in too much money to the country as well.

[QUOTE=Forever18;2451076]When you say a 2-hour session, are you referring to the street girl? I check online websites and most of them usually USD $70 per hour.[/QUOTE]At the current exchange rate $70 hour is a lot more than you'll pay for most options.

Happened in Chapinero this week.

[URL]https://thebogotapost.com/orange-alert-new-coronavirus-controls-in-parts-of-bogota/46605/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Forever18;2451076]When you say a 2-hour session, are you referring to the street girl? I check online websites and most of them usually USD $70 per hour.[/QUOTE]It doesn't make any difference if it's a SW or any other escort. Online website always show inflated rates because they have their own commission and hidden charges.

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-discard-international-flights-on-the-short-term-amid-doubts-about-restarting-economy/?fbclid=IwAR1udvvtXwtqJ5TMs8HOHcUwGusA5K0ssIzRO84xY7WDwucGbOB9i7PEVwE[/URL]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2451751][URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-discard-international-flights-on-the-short-term-amid-doubts-about-restarting-economy/?fbclid=IwAR1udvvtXwtqJ5TMs8HOHcUwGusA5K0ssIzRO84xY7WDwucGbOB9i7PEVwE[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, ColombiaReports has really turned into a big socialist rag since I last read it years ago. Peter needs to lay off those pills.

The article couldn't possibly be filled with more yellow journalism, misrepresentation, and outright lies.

I wouldn't even know where to start, it's just that bad.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2451751][URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombia-discard-international-flights-on-the-short-term-amid-doubts-about-restarting-economy/?fbclid=IwAR1udvvtXwtqJ5TMs8HOHcUwGusA5K0ssIzRO84xY7WDwucGbOB9i7PEVwE[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, Woodman! Fuck! I think my Colombian women might be open to leaving in a shipping container. Have any contacts? LOL. Just kidding.

Woodman, I know Santa Fe is your area. Me and another monger ventured out to Primer de Mayo one night. Have you been and if so, can you do a compare and contrast?

From what I saw, there were way fewer customers, but the women were equally hot but not cheaper, and the guys trying to get you into the bars were waaay more pushy. I didn't feel as comfortable, but I was thinking I might give it a try another time. We went on a Friday night I think, and it was like 1/5 as many guys as the Santa Fe clubs.

From my standpoint it is apparent from the length of time that international flights are banned from Colombia that tourism contributes a small part of the Colombian economy. Countries that rely heavily on tourism will reopen their airways soonest.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2452646]From my standpoint it is apparent from the length of time that international flights are banned from Colombia that tourism contributes a small part of the Colombian economy. Countries that rely heavily on tourism will reopen their airways soonest.[/QUOTE]Not surprised a bit after Argentina bans all international flights. It's what Columbia does.

Their official GDP from tourism (around US $6000 Billion) is only 2-3% of total GDP. And only accounts for 2. 5% of total employment.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2452492]Thanks for the report, Woodman! Fuck! I think my Colombian women might be open to leaving in a shipping container. Have any contacts? LOL. Just kidding.

Woodman, I know Santa Fe is your area. Me and another monger ventured out to Primer de Mayo one night. Have you been and if so, can you do a compare and contrast?

From what I saw, there were way fewer customers, but the women were equally hot but not cheaper, and the guys trying to get you into the bars were waaay more pushy. I didn't feel as comfortable, but I was thinking I might give it a try another time. We went on a Friday night I think, and it was like 1/5 as many guys as the Santa Fe clubs.[/QUOTE]Never been there, they say it is a dangerous. Santa Fe works for me. In any case all clubs are closed. There are some hot streetie sweeties though.

It is more dangerous, prices are higher, and the girls don't look better.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2452492]Thanks for the report, Woodman! Fuck! I think my Colombian women might be open to leaving in a shipping container. Have any contacts? LOL. Just kidding.

Woodman, I know Santa Fe is your area. Me and another monger ventured out to Primer de Mayo one night. Have you been and if so, can you do a compare and contrast?

From what I saw, there were way fewer customers, but the women were equally hot but not cheaper, and the guys trying to get you into the bars were waaay more pushy. I didn't feel as comfortable, but I was thinking I might give it a try another time. We went on a Friday night I think, and it was like 1/5 as many guys as the Santa Fe clubs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gargano19;2452689]Not surprised a bit after Argentina bans all international flights. It's what Columbia does.

Their official GDP from tourism (around US $6000 Billion) is only 2-3% of total GDP. And only accounts for 2. 5% of total employment.[/QUOTE]You did mean US $6 Billion.

I was there last night about 6:30 there were 30-50 girls and definitely some super cute 18-20 somethings. As I mentioned previously everything closes at 8-9 pm. I bet there are a lot of girls there during the day, will have to go sometime soon.

Biggest pain in the ass is there is no where to sit. So I sat down on a stoop to smoke a joint and have a coffee surrounded by 15 young guys who were loitering. Soon we were all moved along by cops.

I hooked up with a super hot 23 yo girl, brunette with super white skin, Beautiful see-cup+ tits she looked like the Sukia the vampire.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2452989]It is more dangerous, prices are higher, and the girls don't look better.[/QUOTE]I was just there a few nights ago because I live close and there was a Home Sentry there I had to run some errands in.

The whole area is still closed, aside from a few restaurants. Had some good sushi though.

Assuming it opens up again and business starts getting back to normal, yeah, it's not necessarily more expensive, but there are a whole lot of clip joints there you have to know to avoid.

The think I didn't like about SF anymore is that it was like 99.9% Venezuelan girls, and I prefer Colombian.

I can't abide Colombia Reports for all the reasons you mentioned. I first came across it a few years ago via a link in a facebook post from some angry troll. What bothers me about it is there are quite a few gringos, some of whom are long term residents, who rely on it for news and information. I think it caters to people who can't read the local press for lack of Spanish knowledge. The tone of it is relentlessly negative and slanted. It's almost like a spurned lover who can't move on.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2452344]Wow, ColombiaReports has really turned into a big socialist rag since I last read it years ago. Peter needs to lay off those pills.

The article couldn't possibly be filled with more yellow journalism, misrepresentation, and outright lies.

I wouldn't even know where to start, it's just that bad.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://youtu.be/x1zj2eR8vLc[/URL]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2453401]I can't abide Colombia Reports for all the reasons you mentioned. I first came across it a few years ago via a link in a facebook post from some angry troll. What bothers me about it is there are quite a few gringos, some of whom are long term residents, who rely on it for news and information. I think it caters to people who can't read the local press for lack of Spanish knowledge. The tone of it is relentlessly negative and slanted. It's almost like a spurned lover who can't move on.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think he's showing his true colors now. And you're right, people who don't speak Spanish don't realize they're reading what is essentially something that sounds like ELN level propaganda. Shame.

I wouldn't even be surprised if he were taking money from somewhere; those articles are that badly biased.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2453957][URL]https://youtu.be/x1zj2eR8vLc[/URL][/QUOTE]What a great video, thanks! I wonder what drone that person is using to get those amazing shots!

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2453957][URL]https://youtu.be/x1zj2eR8vLc[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow sparse streets of SF! Almost nothing out on the streets, surely must get much better after sundown.

The Tall Man.

While waiting for things to open back up, I've been organizing trip photos and videos. I came across a video taken a few years back from deep in the hills of the Sierra Nevada in the tiny village of La Tagua, only accessible by horse or motorbike. While speaking with one of the locals, I saw six to eight guys dressed in fatigues with automatic weapons come out of the woods, cross through town, and go back in on the other side. They stared at me, I waved, a couple waved back, and then they disappeared. I know that traditionally this area has been FARC territory. Out of curiosity, from the attached image (it's low quality because it's a video capture and not a photo), can anyone with local knowledge confirm if these guys were rebels or nationals?

Seem to be the regular army, although hard to be sure due to quality of picture. FARC usely have AK47 or FAL and are supposed to have the Colombian flag at one shoulder.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2454097]Wow sparse streets of SF! Almost nothing out on the streets, surely must get much better after sundown.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I think Woodman has seen better days there more recently.

[QUOTE=Routard;2455313]Seem to be the regular army, although hard to be sure due to quality of picture. FARC usely have AK47 or FAL and are supposed to have the Colombian flag at one shoulder.[/QUOTE]It took a moment to get my video recorder out after they passed by and had to use the zoom, which is why it's fuzzy. It was off topic, but I figured someone on the board might know. Thanks for your response.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2455478]It took a moment to get my video recorder out after they passed by and had to use the zoom, which is why it's fuzzy. It was off topic, but I figured someone on the board might know. Thanks for your response.[/QUOTE]Now that's a phrase I haven't heard in a long time. Goes to show how much phones have really taken over the other electronics market.

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2455611]Now that's a phrase I haven't heard in a long time. Goes to show how much phones have really taken over the other electronics market.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha. You know, I didn't even think of that. I'm probably the only "millennial" you'll hear of that doesn't have a cell phone. I remember years back when cells really took off. I was sitting in an airport waiting for a flight and looked around. Absolutely everyone had their eyes glued to theirs cells. Families didn't speak, friends didn't talk, and I thought I don't want any part of that. Sure, it can make some things in life a little more difficult, but there really is quite a sense of freedom for going without. I'm also probably the only one who thinks like that. I suppose that's a big reason why I like Santa Fe so much when I come through Bogota. With so many options in accommodation and girls, literally all I need is a little cash in my pocket and out the door I go.

Perhaps those lucky punters from Canadia will be back to Bogota first?

⁦ at AirCanadia⁩ is the first International carrier to announce its return to Colombia as of September 1 with three flights a week on its Bogot. Toronto route.

How long until the rest of us can return?

Kanga.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2457280]Perhaps those lucky punters from Canadia will be back to Bogota first?

⁦ at AirCanadia⁩ is the first International carrier to announce its return to Colombia as of September 1 with three flights a week on its Bogot. Toronto route.

How long until the rest of us can return?

Kanga.[/QUOTE]AA has flights from Miami to Medellin and Bogota starting on August 17th.

Whether they cancel or not is a different question.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2455643]... I'm probably the only "millennial" you'll hear of that doesn't have a cell phone. I remember years back when cells really took off. I was sitting in an airport waiting for a flight and looked around. Absolutely everyone had their eyes glued to theirs cells. Families didn't speak, friends didn't talk, and I thought I don't want any part of that...[/QUOTE]I started using a cell phone pretty early. I was working with that technology and I had no choice but to use it regularly. However, I did not like the side effects for the reasons you mention, and I still don't.

So what I do know is to put my phone on vibrate almost always, except if I am expecting a call or a message. I also check for new messages or missed phone calls, every 15 min or so. So far, it's been working fine for me.

Went carousing last night early evening last night. All clubs / bars still closed but many hot girls hanging out on street. Walking around that area is very safe as there are police all over*the place with roadblocks set up. The area is so interesting it is a busy ghetto scene with people out. I seem to blend well and have no problems walking around.

I'm having trouble because all my GF hookers are getting mad when I don't bang them. I give them a 2 mill consolation sometimes. I imagine there is some business for them but not like before.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2457351]AA has flights from Miami to Medellin and Bogota starting on August 17th.

Whether they cancel or not is a different question.[/QUOTE]I've made many trips to Colombia, the last was the beginning of February this year. I usually go every 2 months or so. This has been the longest time between trips. I made the mistake of making 3 reservations since then, all cancelled by the airline. . It took me 2 months to get a refund from Jetblue and from Copa for the other. I'm still waiting for Copa to even acknowledge they received my request, Copa has become a nightmare. So, here's what I thinks going on in Colombia. Duque and the lebiana Mayor of Bogota Claudia Lopez, hate each other. They are from opposite political parties. A little like the Trump, Pilosi thing. LOL Duque wants to follow the USA model and open the airports but the Mayor has stopped him over and over again. When he tried to open the airport the end of May, Lopez publicly warned him the only way the airport would open would be, quote "OVER MY DEAD BODY" She has designs on the presidency so she will prevent him from opening the country quickly. Now they are following the Argentina model with International flights scheduled to open August 31. I believe she will try to extend that, maybe September or even October wouldn't surprise me. So, I'm not buying another ticket until it ACTUALLY opens to International flights.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2454160]While waiting for things to open back up, I've been organizing trip photos and videos. I came across a video taken a few years back from deep in the hills of the Sierra Nevada in the tiny village of La Tagua, only accessible by horse or motorbike. While speaking with one of the locals, I saw six to eight guys dressed in fatigues with automatic weapons come out of the woods, cross through town, and go back in on the other side. They stared at me, I waved, a couple waved back, and then they disappeared. I know that traditionally this area has been FARC territory. Out of curiosity, from the attached image (it's low quality because it's a video capture and not a photo), can anyone with local knowledge confirm if these guys were rebels or nationals?[/QUOTE]I think they were Army, if they were FARC or one of the other rebel groups, you wouldn't be writing this, you be chained to a hut waiting for the ransom to arrive,. Jaja.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2457362]I'm having trouble because all my GF hookers are getting mad when I don't bang them. I give them a 2 mill consolation sometimes. I imagine there is some business for them but not like before.[/QUOTE]Shit, Woodman, if you know anyone in the smuggling business and can get me and other guys into Colombia in a shipping container, I am all in. If I die, at least I die trying. I miss Colombia and my women there so fucking much it is painful. I think that I am going to take off two weeks in both September and October if things go as planned.

I scouted out Mexico for SBs. Would it surprise you to learn that the best looking one I met and the best lover, two different women, were Colombians living in Mexico? If not for Mexico, I think I would be looking at suicide. The sex prison is driving me nuts!!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2457493]When he tried to open the airport the end of May, Lopez publicly warned him the only way the airport would open would be, quote "OVER MY DEAD BODY" She has designs on the presidency so she will prevent him from opening the country quickly. Now they are following the Argentina model with International flights scheduled to open August 31. I believe she will try to extend that, maybe September or even October wouldn't surprise me. So, I'm not buying another ticket until it ACTUALLY opens to International flights.[/QUOTE]So, LL, in summary, we need to get a hit man to take out this ***** Lopez. Two questions: who is starting up the collection and how much do they need?

I think you could get the money in a couple of hours just from the guys on this site.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2457523]So, LL, in summary, we need to get a hit man to take out this ***** Lopez. Two questions: who is starting up the collection and how much do they need?

I think you could get the money in a couple of hours just from the guys on this site.[/QUOTE]I hate that *****. What's worse is she's a dyke. At least if she were a lipstick lesbian it wouldn't be so bad. Jaja.

American, Spirit (which has been operating humanitarian flights since April), Jet Blue and all the others have flight schedules beginning September 1. Some of them have service schedules beginning in August. It will take a very significant deterioration in the health situation here to postpone that September date. The political pressure from tourism and travel interests is intense. There are problems in Bogota, Baranquilla, and a couple of Medellin barrios. Those of you who are here have likely seen the news about Claudia Lopez cancelling Fathers Day and other holiday travel for the rest of them month, along with the Kennedy lockdown that is still in place. Intercity bus companies are also pushing hard to be allowed to work. Restrictions on local buses and the metro in Medellin lasted a little more than a week after businesses were allowed to reopen. They are packed to the gills again.

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2457280]Perhaps those lucky punters from Canadia will be back to Bogota first?

⁦ at AirCanadia⁩ is the first International carrier to announce its return to Colombia as of September 1 with three flights a week on its Bogot. Toronto route.

How long until the rest of us can return?

Kanga.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2457495]I think they were Army, if they were FARC or one of the other rebel groups, you wouldn't be writing this, you be chained to a hut waiting for the ransom to arrive,. Jaja.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, man, I hope someone would pay the ransom. They're not that bad, just a bunch of farmers that wanted their land back after the government promoted industrial farming. The AUC was much worse. In all seriousness, that might have been the case if I were white. I'm Arabic American, and I've lost count how many times I've been mistaken as Latino. Maybe it saved my ass that time.

I definitely agree with you on waiting until the border officially opens before buying tickets. I've been in a battle with United since March for a refund. They say they'll give me "credit" for year. It's not worth the headache. Also, I would not shed a tear if something unfortunate happened to Lopez.

Yeah, it's frustrating. The girls are there, and we can't get to them. Poor Woodman has to give 2 mil gifts to girls because he can't possibly get to them all (lucky guy). And Elvis wants to get stuffed into a shipping container to get smuggled in. It's a sad state of affairs, but the silver lining is that things will eventually open. Keep the faith, brothers. I swear, I'm going to celebrate hard when things re-open. So, if you see a jacked Arabic-looking guy walking around Santa Fe, hit me up, and I'll buy you a celebratory beer.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2457599]Yeah, it's frustrating. The girls are there, and we can't get to them. Poor Woodman has to give 2 mil gifts to girls because he can't possibly get to them all (lucky guy). And Elvis wants to get stuffed into a shipping container to get smuggled in. It's a sad state of affairs, but the silver lining is that things will eventually open. Keep the faith, brothers. I swear, I'm going to celebrate hard when things re-open. So, if you see a jacked Arabic-looking guy walking around Santa Fe, hit me up, and I'll buy you a celebratory beer.[/QUOTE]Maybe you could hike the Darién Gap? Although than you might have some guerilla problems.

It's funny when I go to SF I'm one of the only guys. I usually go early evening. I guess during day may be busier? It can be awkward as I'm running into girls and I want to see what's happening before I commit. Because there are some absolute babes for sure.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2457599]Ha, ha, man, I hope someone would pay the ransom. They're not that bad, just a bunch of farmers that wanted their land back after the government promoted industrial farming. The AUC was much worse. In all seriousness, that might have been the case if I were white. I'm Arabic American, and I've lost count how many times I've been mistaken as Latino. Maybe it saved my ass that time.

I definitely agree with you on waiting until the border officially opens before buying tickets. I've been in a battle with United since March for a refund. They say they'll give me "credit" for year. It's not worth the headache. Also, I would not shed a tear if something unfortunate happened to Lopez.

Yeah, it's frustrating. The girls are there, and we can't get to them. Poor Woodman has to give 2 mil gifts to girls because he can't possibly get to them all (lucky guy). And Elvis wants to get stuffed into a shipping container to get smuggled in. It's a sad state of affairs, but the silver lining is that things will eventually open. Keep the faith, brothers. I swear, I'm going to celebrate hard when things re-open. So, if you see a jacked Arabic-looking guy walking around Santa Fe, hit me up, and I'll buy you a celebratory beer.[/QUOTE]Thanks IQ but my SF days are over, been that way for 3 years now. I met a casacita who is drop dead gorgeous. She's a 4. 8 engineering student in her 3 year in the Nat'l university. Truly an intellectual, somehow her wires short circuited about me LOL No make up, doesn't drink or smoke or dress provocatively but a real sleeper behind closed doors. If she ever comes out of either, I'll join you for that beer).

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2457630]Maybe you could hike the Darin Gap? Although than you might have some guerilla problems.

It's funny when I go to SF I'm one of the only guys. I usually go early evening. I guess during day may be busier? It can be awkward as I'm running into girls and I want to see what's happening before I commit. Because there are some absolute babes for sure.[/QUOTE]Don't laugh woodman. I actually looked into it. I know how dangerous it is but if only there was a boat that could take me from Ctg. To panama that would work.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2457804]Don't laugh woodman. I actually looked into it. I know how dangerous it is but if only there was a boat that could take me from Ctg. To panama that would work.[/QUOTE]Contact Gulf Cartel. They can hook you up.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2457630]Maybe you could hike the Darin Gap? Although than you might have some guerilla problems.

It's funny when I go to SF I'm one of the only guys. I usually go early evening. I guess during day may be busier? It can be awkward as I'm running into girls and I want to see what's happening before I commit. Because there are some absolute babes for sure.[/QUOTE]Ah, the infamous Darien Gap. Unfortunately, you need the Panama government's permission to go anywhere beyond Yaviza. Although, I think I'd rather run into FARC then the Clan del Gulfo, ha, ha. So, I'll give that one a pass.

Going out early evening is my time of choice as well (no matter what part of the world I'm in). I always work up an appetite with a girl, and then eat some dinner afterward. It must feel crazy being one of the only guys there at that time. I imagine it might be like SEA about 15-20 years ago when a guy could have a girl pulling on each of his arms to go with her. In the meantime, keep those beauties warm until the rest of us can get down there.

[QUOTE=Routard;2455313]Seem to be the regular army, although hard to be sure due to quality of picture. FARC usely have AK47 or FAL and are supposed to have the Colombian flag at one shoulder.[/QUOTE]To the best of my knowledge, the FARC never had a strong presence on the Atlantic coast at all, unless you count the Montes de Maria, which are way deep into the interior already.

I think you may be thinking of the Sierra Nevada in Tolima, which was 100% FARC owned up till about 20 years ago.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2457840]Ah, the infamous Darien Gap. Unfortunately, you need the Panama government's permission to go anywhere beyond Yaviza. Although, I think I'd rather run into FARC then the Clan del Gulfo, ha, ha. So, I'll give that one a pass.

Going out early evening is my time of choice as well (no matter what part of the world I'm in). I always work up an appetite with a girl, and then eat some dinner afterward. It must feel crazy being one of the only guys there at that time. I imagine it might be like SEA about 15-20 years ago when a guy could have a girl pulling on each of his arms to go with her. In the meantime, keep those beauties warm until the rest of us can get down there.[/QUOTE]No, no you would not rather run into the FARC.

There are websites devoted to successfully trekking through the Darien. I personally know two people who have made it. The biggest danger is still tropical diseases and lack of food and potable water, especially if you get lost, which is super easy to do.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2458859]No, no you would not rather run into the FARC.

There are websites devoted to successfully trekking through the Darien. I personally know two people who have made it. The biggest danger is still tropical diseases and lack of food and potable water, especially if you get lost, which is super easy to do.[/QUOTE]Without wanting to drift too far off the thread topic, this is a nice article written about the rebels after the demobilization:

[URL]https://nacla.org/news/2019/04/12/former-farc-combatants-face-their-pasts[/URL]

There were indeed rebels in the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta. I spoke with villagers in the small communities who remembered their very strong presence. Though it's not high on my list to encounter either rebels or the Gulf Clan, the worst by far were the far right-wing paramilitary death squads accounting for 80% of civilian casualties during the conflict.

Trekking the Darien can be done with the right outfitter from the Panama side, but going it alone is a suicide mission mainly for the reasons you mentioned, or accidentally stepping on a Fer-de-lance who are very population-dense in that area.

I've been visiting Colombia every 2 months or so for the last few years. My last trip was February 2020, I am starting to realize that may be my last trip for a while. I watched the powers that be in Colombia, constantly pushing back the dates of reopening and I'm not very optimistic for it to ever get back to normal and opening the borders. The constant flare ups of hot spots in Bogota and other cities will give the Lopez liberals reason to push back the August 31 dates. This virus has declared war on us hobbyist.

This may be a good chance for mongers to look for, and find, something meaningful and valuable other than mongering.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2459234] This virus has declared war on us hobbyist.[/QUOTE]

I never left at the date cause I know traveling and going to the states wouldn't be safe. I found a good apartment and have been bunkered in here. I see my regular non pros I met from tinder like a year ago and they stay for 3 days banfging then leave. I had one that was a pro that is now non pro that stays with me. She used to have a profile on photoprepagos and I think someone like really traumatized her. She is out of the game. She recently left Bogota to move with her family somewhere north 3 hours away. Its funny I'm still able to meet chicks fro tinder here and there. I know safety is a concern but you have to sort of know where they are from, who they interact with etc. I don't know how long ill be here, but its ok cause I work from home. I wonder if even with the extended lockdown if they will extend my visa stay concerning they granted amesty to tourist who were here during lockdown.

Anyway I hope you are all safe, this hobby is on hiatus until 2022 to be honest. Get it while you can.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2459532].... I don't know how long ill be here, but its ok cause I work from home. I wonder if even with the extended lockdown if they will extend my visa stay concerning they granted amesty to tourist who were here during lockdown.

Anyway I hope you are all safe, this hobby is on hiatus until 2022 to be honest. Get it while you can.[/QUOTE]I don't think you have to worry about it until they open the airport, and then when you leave it should be no problem. I know people who have left with expired tourist visas before and it was not a problem.

I flew twice last week. Full planes, every seat filled. None of the flight attendants wearing masks and they were within 6 inches of everyone's face leaning in and asking if they wanted more cakes or drinks. Maybe 10% of passengers wearing masks.

It was an interstate flight, BUT, one of the state's borders was closed, so the assumption was they were still trying to minimize possible transmissions, or at least be seen to be trying.

On arrival everyone just got off the plane wandered through the airport and out onto the street. Not a single stop or check of anything. Things will obviously be tighter for international travel at customs on entry, but I don't think the actual flying experience is going to change as we know it.

Hopefully then, the supposed distancing plans like the chequerboard won't happen because they aren't happening now because the airlines will get their way, and therefore the cost of flights shouldn't increase.

Don't believe the hype.

Kanga.

In which country were these flights?

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2461276]I flew twice last week. Full planes, every seat filled. None of the flight attendants wearing masks and they were within 6 inches of everyone's face leaning in and asking if they wanted more cakes or drinks. Maybe 10% of passengers wearing masks.

It was an interstate flight, BUT, one of the state's borders was closed, so the assumption was they were still trying to minimize possible transmissions, or at least be seen to be trying.

On arrival everyone just got off the plane wandered through the airport and out onto the street. Not a single stop or check of anything. Things will obviously be tighter for international travel at customs on entry, but I don't think the actual flying experience is going to change as we know it.

Hopefully then, the supposed distancing plans like the chequerboard won't happen because they aren't happening now because the airlines will get their way, and therefore the cost of flights shouldn't increase.

Don't believe the hype.

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Everyone is a selfish asshole and it's even more prevenalent in the US. I think I actually lucked out being stuck here. Rent is cheaper, I still have regular I bang on the side and everyone wears a mask and is super hygenic. Only in America do people protest and complains about not spreading it to others. Fucking morons.

Thanks fo the info!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2461632]Everyone is a selfish asshole and it's even more prevenalent in the US. I think I actually lucked out being stuck here. Rent is cheaper, I still have regular I bang on the side and everyone wears a mask and is super hygenic. Only in America do people protest and complains about not spreading it to others. Fucking morons.

Thanks fo the info![/QUOTE]Careful, pal. There's USA Citizens on this board that don't fall into that category, including me. Let's refrain from the generalizations.

[QUOTE=HBoy54;2461363]In which country were these flights?[/QUOTE]Straya.

I know we don't have much CV, but state borders are closed. But I was surprised about the ground and flight crews lack of masks. Any proposed gaps between seats and reverse seats etc won't happen, airlines will regulate themselves.

Kanga.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2461632]Everyone is a selfish asshole and it's even more prevenalent in the US. I think I actually lucked out being stuck here. Rent is cheaper, I still have regular I bang on the side and everyone wears a mask and is super hygenic. Only in America do people protest and complains about not spreading it to others. Fucking morons.

Thanks fo the info![/QUOTE]Banging someone who you don't live with is every bit as bad as not wearing a mask, as far a health risk is concerned.

Can we keep this thread on topic please? There are a billion places where you can debate the validity of the quarantine.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2459532]I never left at the date cause I know traveling and going to the states wouldn't be safe. I found a good apartment and have been bunkered in here. I see my regular non pros I met from tinder like a year ago and they stay for 3 days banfging then leave. I had one that was a pro that is now non pro that stays with me. She used to have a profile on photoprepagos and I think someone like really traumatized her. She is out of the game. She recently left Bogota to move with her family somewhere north 3 hours away. Its funny I'm still able to meet chicks fro tinder here and there. I know safety is a concern but you have to sort of know where they are from, who they interact with etc. I don't know how long ill be here, but its ok cause I work from home. I wonder if even with the extended lockdown if they will extend my visa stay concerning they granted amesty to tourist who were here during lockdown.

Anyway I hope you are all safe, this hobby is on hiatus until 2022 to be honest. Get it while you can.[/QUOTE]Also, not true. Plenty is happening behind closed doors in Bogota right now. They've changed the places but not the faces.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2461921]Banging someone who you don't live with is every bit as bad as not wearing a mask, as far a health risk is concerned.

Can we keep this thread on topic please? There are a billion places where you can debate the validity of the quarantine.[/QUOTE]No kidding. If you're boning multiple chicas (who themselves are likely screwing many other guys), that's way more risky for Covid-19 (among other things) than merely not having a mask on in a plane or other public place.

FWIW, I'm all for wearing masks in public. But let's keep things in perspective.

Or just admit that pussy is worth the risk?

[QUOTE=Combo;2461924]No kidding. If you're boning multiple chicas (who themselves are likely screwing many other guys), that's way more risky for Covid-19 (among other things) than merely not having a mask on in a plane or other public place.

FWIW, I'm all for wearing masks in public. But let's keep things in perspective.

Or just admit that pussy is worth the risk?[/QUOTE]THANK you!

There is actually a "Safe Sex" suggestion to this forum. That would be a good place to discuss Socialist Virus risk from anonymous sex etc.

It should be assumed the mongering in general has to do with controlled risk-taking. Just do the research and make your own decisions, and leave the silly moral judgements out of it.

To get back on track:

1) International flights are being scheduled as of Sept 1st.

2) There probably won't be much of a scene right after Sept 1st.

3) If you find yourself in BOG and want some info, PM me. If you're not a senior member and too cheap to pay for PM I can't help you. Or Woodman would probably be an even better bet than me, since I'm not actively mongering ATM (can barely keep up with my GF). I'm not volunteering him, however; it's just a suggestion. He also may or may not be willing to help you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2464294]they fog your glasses[/QUOTE]I use an anti-fog balm on my glasses called "Cat Crap". Here's a link:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/EK-USA-Multi-Use-Anti-Fog-Spray/dp/B001ONRP8C?th=1[/URL]

I've been using the same tiny container for years. I bought it primarily for all the jungle trekking I do, when the humidity would fog my glasses, and in arctic terrain when I wear goggles. If applied correctly, a very thin application wiped down until residue is gone, it will last all day. It worked in the jungles and blizzards, and it works when I need to wear a mask. Yes, the mask sucks, but it needs to be done. However, you don't need to deal with foggy glasses.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2464405]I use an anti-fog balm on my glasses called "Cat Crap". Here's a link:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/EK-USA-Multi-Use-Anti-Fog-Spray/dp/B001ONRP8C?th=1[/URL]

I've been using the same tiny container for years. I bought it primarily for all the jungle trekking I do, when the humidity would fog my glasses, and in arctic terrain when I wear goggles. If applied correctly, a very thin application wiped down until residue is gone, it will last all day. It worked in the jungles and blizzards, and it works when I need to wear a mask. Yes, the mask sucks, but it needs to be done. However, you don't need to deal with foggy glasses.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Never thought of putting cat crap on my glasses. Jajajaja.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2464405]I use an anti-fog balm on my glasses called "Cat Crap". Here's a link:

[URL]https://www.amazon.com/EK-USA-Multi-Use-Anti-Fog-Spray/dp/B001ONRP8C?th=1[/URL]

I've been using the same tiny container for years. I bought it primarily for all the jungle trekking I do, when the humidity would fog my glasses, and in arctic terrain when I wear goggles. If applied correctly, a very thin application wiped down until residue is gone, it will last all day. It worked in the jungles and blizzards, and it works when I need to wear a mask. Yes, the mask sucks, but it needs to be done. However, you don't need to deal with foggy glasses.[/QUOTE]I'll try this out but I'm not holding my breath LOL!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2464570]

I am planning on flying my Colombian chicas to Mexico to meet them. Mexico has no formal restrictions at this time, and I do not think they will. [/QUOTE]If anyone else planning on this, just make sure your chica has good job back home. This board has numerous examples when a chica travelled alone to Mexico, she was made to go through 3rd degree at the immigration and sent back.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2464803]If anyone else planning on this, just make sure your chica has good job back home. This board has numerous examples when a chica travelled alone to Mexico, she was made to go through 3rd degree at the immigration and sent back.[/QUOTE]People telegraph their moves on this platform. This is why and how they give Colombian, Venezuelan, Latin American girls flying to Mexico, especially the younger ones, the serious third degree from Mexican immigration authorities. You need procuring local talent for your fun activities in most cases.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2466633]No argument there. Also, there's always a chance they push the dates back.[/QUOTE]No doubt. One of my chicas said the date is still good for now but who knows?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2466766]No doubt. One of my chicas said the date is still good for now but who knows?[/QUOTE]I get a kick out of it when I see "my chicas", as if they're property. Ah, the problems of silver-spooners. Just rattling your cage some. However, I wouldn't bank on any foreigner crossing the border by Sept 1st. Haven't you seen the trend by now of dates getting pushed back? Don't set yourself up for a fall.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2466860]I get a kick out of it when I see "my chicas", as if they're property. Ah, the problems of silver-spooners. Just rattling your cage some.[/QUOTE]LOL. I meant the opposite. When I say my chicas, I mean the ones I help out and am in communication with. It would be surprise you to know how many have said they are mine though. It's sexy until I realize they expect to possess me and I am not sure I want that burden.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2466860]However, I wouldn't bank on any foreigner crossing the border by Sept 1st. Haven't you seen the trend by now of dates getting pushed back? Don't set yourself up for a fall.[/QUOTE]I am not planning on my going to Colombia but flying MY chicas out. It is a lot more politically incorrect to deny your own citizens entry. They may be quarantined but for many of them, especially the students, it is no big deal.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2466860]I get a kick out of it when I see "my chicas", as if they're property.[/QUOTE]I was actually talking about chicas I financially support and am in communication with. The irony is, and I do not know if this is a South American thing, but I have had three tell me "I am yours", and I did not reciprocate with any of them.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2466860]However, I wouldn't bank on any foreigner crossing the border by Sept 1st. Haven't you seen the trend by now of dates getting pushed back? Don't set yourself up for a fall.[/QUOTE]I already am counting on meeting my Colombian chicas out of the country: Aruba, DR, or Mexico are my top choices as of now. It is a lot harder to deny a citizen re-entry than allow a foreigner in. One of my chicas had to self-quarantine for 2 weeks after she got home. Colombian authorities did check up on her to make sure she was compliant which was surprising to me. That is my plan for my chica students; it is going to be a lot harder for the ones who are working.

These pictures do not do her justice, but I met this chocolate honey on Santa Fe and she sent me some photos and said Hi. She has a perfect body. Woodman mentioned that a lot of the Vennies have degrees and how many are normal chicas, but this one was my favorite, a rock hard body and as sweet as I could be. The only street girl I met that was GF / SB material. Sigh. How I miss Colombia.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2467028]I was actually talking about chicas I financially support and am in communication with. The irony is, and I do not know if this is a South American thing, but I have had three tell me "I am yours", and I did not reciprocate with any of them.

I already am counting on meeting my Colombian chicas out of the country: Aruba, DR, or Mexico are my top choices as of now. It is a lot harder to deny a citizen re-entry than allow a foreigner in. One of my chicas had to self-quarantine for 2 weeks after she got home. Colombian authorities did check up on her to make sure she was compliant which was surprising to me. That is my plan for my chica students; it is going to be a lot harder for the ones who are working.[/QUOTE]I hear you. The whole "I am yours" phrase I've experienced in Africa. My guess is that it's a status thing. I had one girl tell me in Kenya that many girls will try to have a baby with a white man just to elevate their status.

I would think DR is a safe bet to go with. Hearing that the Colombian authorities checked up on her means they're taking it seriously, and that's a good thing. I'm sure they don't want to be in Brazil's situation.

By the way, nice pics you posted of that chocolate bunny. As a lover of dark skin, I appreciate that. The first and only girl I ever fell in love with was a Nigerian girl back in high school. She might've been a sophomore, but had a body like a college senior. We dated for two years, and since then I've been hooked. Afro-Colombians are among my favorite types of girls. Carry on, brother.

As close to a occupied zone that I have ever lived in. But you can still get pussy, so not so dystopic, LOL.

I will write more later.

Before the new lock down, there were like 50-100+ girls running around.

At the beginning of new lock down things were a bit more tense. Cops were riding around (and still are) moving girls and people down the street. They start hitting the sirens -- so annoying.

The girls had to walk around and not be as obvious. I was worried about getting a ticket for being out but have not had any problems going in. Now things are a bit more relaxes and people are out on the street. Santa Fe has been blocked off Kinda nazi style, You can still enter and walk around. I have a couple girls I can text and meet for quickees or longer. I like to get that Viagra weed rush and go meet up. Have met some super hot girls that I have to find again.

Feels like an occupation but a friendly occupation. The soldiers with white hazmat suits give it a dystopian touch.

I sometimes feel like I'm such an outsider walking through the ghetto but no one seems to notice me. Many many people so poor. It is interesting to see all the families with kids on the street and life just going on and the girls are around everywhere. I really like the Venezuelans they are very nice people and exotic looking.

Photos are kinda crap, sorry.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2468877]As close to a occupied zone that I have ever lived in. But you can still get pussy, so not so dystopic, LOL.

I will write more later.[/QUOTE]Inquiring minds want to know, please elaborate!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2462740]To get back on track:

1) International flights are being scheduled as of Sept 1st.

2) There probably won't be much of a scene right after Sept 1st.

3) If you find yourself in BOG and want some info, PM me. If you're not a senior member and too cheap to pay for PM I can't help you. Or Woodman would probably be an even better bet than me, since I'm not actively mongering ATM (can barely keep up with my GF). I'm not volunteering him, however; it's just a suggestion. He also may or may not be willing to help you.[/QUOTE]My WA box has been flooded by almost every girl I have known in Bogota over the last few years asking for help. The situation is dire for these girls and their families. No Job, no food, can't pay the rent. I did help 2 of my really close friends but you can't help them all. I think anybody who gets down to Bogota in September will be in pussy up to his neck and most likely at a very reasonable cost.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2462740]To get back on track:

1) International flights are being scheduled as of Sept 1st.

2) There probably won't be much of a scene right after Sept 1st.

3) If you find yourself in BOG and want some info, PM me. If you're not a senior member and too cheap to pay for PM I can't help you. Or Woodman would probably be an even better bet than me, since I'm not actively mongering ATM (can barely keep up with my GF). I'm not volunteering him, however; it's just a suggestion. He also may or may not be willing to help you.[/QUOTE]My friend, your PM box is full.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2469106]My friend, your PM box is full.[/QUOTE]That's weird, it shouldn't be. I just deleted a bunch of message anyways just in case. Please try again at your convenience.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2469054]My WA box has been flooded by almost every girl I have known in Bogota over the last few years asking for help. The situation is dire for these girls and their families. No Job, no food, can't pay the rent. I did help 2 of my really close friends but you can't help them all. I think anybody who gets down to Bogota in September will be in pussy up to his neck and most likely at a very reasonable cost.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't feel too sorry for the chicas. They can still do outcalls if they want. Plus they are giving out food baskets.

Please remember, the whole world is a mess right now, many places even worse. And it's not like the p*ta game here was ever easy on the p*tas. Even when things were good, competition was intense.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2469218]I wouldn't feel too sorry for the chicas. They can still do outcalls if they want. Plus they are giving out food baskets.

Please remember, the whole world is a mess right now, many places even worse. And it's not like the p*ta game here was ever easy on the p*tas. Even when things were good, competition was intense.[/QUOTE]Actually I think the putas have it better than a lot of "normal" people. If a girl works in a shop or restaurant that has to close, she's out of luck. But for putas, there are always customers who will violate whatever lockdown or curfew that is in effect to get some pussy.

[QUOTE=Combo;2469231]Actually I think the putas have it better than a lot of "normal" people. If a girl works in a shop or restaurant that has to close, she's out of luck. But for putas, there are always customers who will violate whatever lockdown or curfew that is in effect to get some pussy.[/QUOTE]Most of them are sticking with regular clients from pre-lockdown or at least people recommended by them.

You can run on fumes financially here in Colombia for a long long time. Once you stop partying this can be an incredibly cheap place to live. That's what I'm doing right now and that's what most of them are doing.

Further to my earlier posts that airlines will never legislate seating spaces eg the 'checkerplate' proposal of people only in every second seat, there will however be some changes of your flying experience additional to noted previously.

I've been flying a lot these last few weeks and of course the first change is they give out these fly well packs, of a mask and wipes. That will continue for a loooooong time. I doubt you will be forced to wear the mask as their liability ends on offering them. Maybe ten percent are actually wearing them currently. It's up the the passenger.

Flight attendants are not bothering with them for the most part, again maybe one in ten are.

The big change though that will affect the long haul flights, is they much less like you changing seats now So when you see a mostly empty row and think you may move over there and lay down for a sleep, that is far less likely to be allowed, which is frustrating as that is usually the first thing you do on boarding. Scope where you want to move to the second the seat belt sign goes off.

Time to try and chat up the crew on check in to see if you may be able to get some space around you, if the flights not full, because otherwise you're going to get the inevitable "Can you please return to your allocated seat sir! ".

Kanga.

This person makes good quality videos and it they are in 4 k, the same person has good videos from Medellin and Cartagena focusing on the chicas.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVeoMjEkCA[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2470064]This person makes good quality videos and it they are in 4 k, the same person has good videos from Medellin and Cartagena focusing on the chicas.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVVeoMjEkCA[/URL][/QUOTE]Nice, It's like a scene out of Narcos everyday down here. I can't believe I walk through that ghetto a few times a week.

That was before the 2nd lock down. Now they have the cops moving the girls around the block and the barriers.

I have Boned a few of them girls in the video All GFE for me.

That is my GF in the pink at 5;30. See her face 7;28. So Hott she is super cute 18. And another one is the Cute chubby blond at 1;58 and 7;22 (I got to hit that again!) LOL, Fun Fun Fun!! LOL, they walk by each other.

Asian looking girl with crazy hair at 8;06, Super Cute Daniella at 9:52 in ripped jeans (I broke up with her, LOL).

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2470235]n. Now they have the cops moving the girls around the block and the barriers.

I have Boned a few of them girls in the video All GFE for me.

That is my GF in the pink at 5;30. See her face 7;28. So Hott she is super cute 18. (I broke up with her, LOL).[/QUOTE]That young chica in the pink is super cute!! In this other video by the same person they show the same neighborhood after the lockdown. It's not until later in the the video at around 7:21. Even after locked down there are some chicas on the street!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyhl2cjM8g0[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2470303]That young chica in the pink is super cute!! In this other video by the same person they show the same neighborhood after the lockdown. It's not until later in the the video at around 7:21. Even after locked down there are some chicas on the street!

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyhl2cjM8g0[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, I could point out a couple there too. So many streetie sweeties!

[QUOTE=KangarooTed;2469714]Further to my earlier posts that airlines will never legislate seating spaces eg the 'checkerplate' proposal of people only in every second seat, there will however be some changes of your flying experience additional to noted previously.

I've been flying a lot these last few weeks and of course the first change is they give out these fly well packs, of a mask and wipes. That will continue for a loooooong time. I doubt you will be forced to wear the mask as their liability ends on offering them. Maybe ten percent are actually wearing them currently. It's up the the passenger.

Flight attendants are not bothering with them for the most part, again maybe one in ten are.

The big change though that will affect the long haul flights, is they much less like you changing seats now So when you see a mostly empty row and think you may move over there and lay down for a sleep, that is far less likely to be allowed, which is frustrating as that is usually the first thing you do on boarding. Scope where you want to move to the second the seat belt sign goes off.

Time to try and chat up the crew on check in to see if you may be able to get some space around you, if the flights not full, because otherwise you're going to get the inevitable "Can you please return to your allocated seat sir! ".

Kanga.[/QUOTE]Interesting information about the realities of flying these days. I heard a plane flew from Amsterdam to Curacao last week. While on the way, the people in Holland figured out that a passenger on the plane had actually tested positive for corona prior to flying-but there was some sort of mix up. They had to quarantine a bunch of people upon arrival in Curacao. Things like this make me surprised that masks are not 100% mandated on flights for everyone.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2470448]Interesting information about the realities of flying these days. I heard a plane flew from Amsterdam to Curacao last week. While on the way, the people in Holland figured out that a passenger on the plane had actually tested positive for corona prior to flying-but there was some sort of mix up. They had to quarantine a bunch of people upon arrival in Curacao. Things like this make me surprised that masks are not 100% mandated on flights for everyone.[/QUOTE]It depends on airline. Flight attendants all wear protective clothing, mask, goggles, gloves for trans pacific flights on most Asian airlines. Some block out a lot of seats. All lounges are closed in US airport while all lounges are open in several Asian cities. The flight attendants only wear mask when flying between Asian countries where there are no active cases. Some airports disinfect you and your luggages before leaving the airport. I guess that is the difference between no cases and many cases.

This is interesting because it shows Santa Fe before lock down and after. At 9;30 you can see how they clear the streets about 8 pm.

Although the lock down supposedly ended yesterday so they may let things stay open now.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyhl2cjM8g0[/URL]

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2470448]Interesting information about the realities of flying these days.... Things like this make me surprised that masks are not 100% mandated on flights for everyone.[/QUOTE]Yes, it will depend on what the airlines perceive as being in their best interests.

Passengers are spaced if the flights aren't full, but I'd be surprised if they are limiting seat sales if the demand is there. Maybe they are, but if it isn't government legislation they are turning away revenue.

The masks I can understand why they aren't enforced on passengers, but if I was an attendant or their union I would be more comfortable under a mandate.

Kanga.

[QUOTE=Routard;2244560]To make it short: there are no such bars or night clubs where pros and regular girls are mixed. And funny, each time someone is asking for it on the Bogota thread claiming that it exists in Medellin but no one is able to give the adresses of these supposed places in Medellin. It is not possible for a couple of reasons. One reason is that no regular girl would go to have fun in a place where are pros and punters. Another reason is that the owner needs to control his business and would not allow unidentified pros to enter in a regular place. There are indeed some pros in zona T looking for gringos but it's a scam. They use scopolamine to rob their victims. Serious places such as Irish Pub would never allow those girls to operate inside their business. If you are looking for pros, for your own safety go and get them in places designed for it and where they are controled. Places such as Gringo Tuesdays or Irish Pub are to pick up regular girls, and there are plenty of regular girls willing to meet gringos. If you want to pay them, you would ruin it and end up without sex. Just don't mix the places and mix pros with regulars girls.[/QUOTE]Can you use your expertise to tell us about nightlife venues, differentiating between pick-up bars, dance clubs, English friendly, older women, younger women, places with less groups, etc.

This would be very helpful!

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2470448]Things like this make me surprised that masks are not 100% mandated on flights for everyone.[/QUOTE]Every time I have flown people have masks on. I am not sure the airlines can mandate you wear a mask. What they have said is if you are non-compliant with mask wearing, they can deny you service in the future.

Stopped by my favorite Schwarma wrap stand tonight. Barriers are gone but still tons of cops and no auto traffic.

Santa Fe is like a Hooker Street Faire, tons of streetie Sweeties tonight. I had an awesome session. Wasn't going to but I was talked into.

On a somber note, on the way home I passed a refrigerated police box truck near one of the flop houses. A cop in full hazmat was removing a stainless stretcher, he took into the residence.

I waited nearby and about 3-4 minutes later 3 in full hazmat carried out someone all wrapped up in a body-bag. I am a bit mortified.

[QUOTE=Jesterl;2470792]Can you use your expertise to tell us about nightlife venues, differentiating between pick-up bars, dance clubs, English friendly, older women, younger women, places with less groups, etc.

This would be very helpful![/QUOTE]There are 2 come to mind, not sure if this is dated info because I pretty much stick to a few allstar regulars I see. One is Lalos, I think it was on Cra 15, it's been a few years since I was there so can't vouch for the status, I do remember they ask for stupid money and you need to negotiate them down to more realestic number. I can say I meet one girl there that was outstanding the entire time we were together. The second one is Juan Pablos, bar / dance club, lots of women milling around, Cra 18, think there still open and the price is more realistic.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2471431]There are 2 come to mind, not sure if this is dated info because I pretty much stick to a few allstar regulars I see. One is Lalos, I think it was on Cra 15, it's been a few years since I was there so can't vouch for the status, I do remember they ask for stupid money and you need to negotiate them down to more realestic number. I can say I meet one girl there that was outstanding the entire time we were together. The second one is Juan Pablos, bar / dance club, lots of women milling around, Cra 18, think there still open and the price is more realistic.[/QUOTE]An Uber driver told me a few days ago that Lido is open now. Cra. 14 #95-83. More expensive than Lalos etc. though and not worth it IMO.

I agree with Routard, at least on general principle. If a bar gets a reputation as being full of prepagos any girl that's NOT a prepago won't touch the place with a 10 foot pole!

Any nightlife place in Colombia is going to be either one or the other. It's either going to be whorish or not.

You can tell pretty easily if you can differentiate between different accents. If all the girls are super nice and have out of town accents its a dead giveaway.

However, because most Santa Fe chikas are not very well intelligent, due to the fact that mane are Venezuelans, today Santa Fe was booming like crazy! I almost did not spot the cops, comparing to 2-3 days ago when they literally terrorized the hood. Anyway I think the enforcement in Santa Fe will resume in a few days, for at least a month, lets see if I'm wrong, I'm buying beers for the home boys! West coast! Amen!

I got some similar requests. Some easier to ignore than others. I helped one girl out with what I guess is the equivalent of a couple months' salary. I wonder what the odds are that I'm not her only benefactor. Not that it matters much. I don't doubt that the need is real.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2469054]My WA box has been flooded by almost every girl I have known in Bogota over the last few years asking for help. The situation is dire for these girls and their families. No Job, no food, can't pay the rent. I did help 2 of my really close friends but you can't help them all. I think anybody who gets down to Bogota in September will be in pussy up to his neck and most likely at a very reasonable cost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2471431]There are 2 come to mind, not sure if this is dated info because I pretty much stick to a few allstar regulars I see. One is Lalos, I think it was on Cra 15, it's been a few years since I was there so can't vouch for the status, I do remember they ask for stupid money and you need to negotiate them down to more realestic number. I can say I meet one girl there that was outstanding the entire time we were together. The second one is Juan Pablos, bar / dance club, lots of women milling around, Cra 18, think there still open and the price is more realistic.[/QUOTE]In any case, all bars are closed and may be until next year. Flights maybe back in September?

The SF area has a lot of hot girls tho, So you could meet one and do a quickie and if it's love you can have her visit you for outside rendezvous.

Or Tinder could be good, probably will be big if clubs are all closed. It's a shame I miss seeing the strippers and the lapdances.

What clubs have the best looking women in Bogota? Or casa de cintas. (Pre-covid) I was thinking of going to Bogota as soon as it opens up. I hear lalos has good stock.

[QUOTE=Gazely;2471772]I got some similar requests. Some easier to ignore than others. I helped one girl out with what I guess is the equivalent of a couple months' salary. I wonder what the odds are that I'm not her only benefactor. Not that it matters much. I don't doubt that the need is real.[/QUOTE]Hey Gaz, I know that little voice in your head, 'yea right' I hear it too. BUT. In Bogota, the need is definitely real for most girls and families. Jobs are almost nonexistent. If they have a degree then a lot of the girls are working virtual but for most with the menial jobs, hotels, restaurants, manufacturing and even prepogos have no place to work. I feel I helped them get some food and pay rent or facturas. We have our problems here in the USA but nothing like many have it in Latin and South America. I have a rule I never break and that is, NEVER send money to a woman you have never met. I know these girls so I didn't have a problem. Pay it forward and create positive Karma.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2472890]Hey Gaz, I know that little voice in your head, 'yea right' I hear it too. BUT. In Bogota, the need is definitely real for most girls and families. Jobs are almost nonexistent. If they have a degree then a lot of the girls are working virtual but for most with the menial jobs, hotels, restaurants, manufacturing and even prepogos have no place to work. I feel I helped them get some food and pay rent or facturas. We have our problems here in the USA but nothing like many have it in Latin and South America. I have a rule I never break and that is, NEVER send money to a woman you have never met. I know these girls so I didn't have a problem. Pay it forward and create positive Karma.[/QUOTE]Very well said. I am seeing the exact same thing in Mexico. It will be real bad. Some of the girls I know have not worked for 5 months, this just can not continue, but it does.

[QUOTE=Gazely;2471772]I got some similar requests. Some easier to ignore than others. I helped one girl out with what I guess is the equivalent of a couple months' salary. I wonder what the odds are that I'm not her only benefactor. Not that it matters much. I don't doubt that the need is real.[/QUOTE]LOL. Isn't everyone's need for money real? Otherwise why would billions of people go to work everyday?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2472890]Hey Gaz, I know that little voice in your head, 'yea right' I hear it too. BUT. In Bogota, the need is definitely real for most girls and families. Jobs are almost nonexistent. If they have a degree then a lot of the girls are working virtual but for most with the menial jobs, hotels, restaurants, manufacturing and even prepogos have no place to work. I feel I helped them get some food and pay rent or facturas. We have our problems here in the USA but nothing like many have it in Latin and South America. I have a rule I never break and that is, NEVER send money to a woman you have never met. I know these girls so I didn't have a problem. Pay it forward and create positive Karma.[/QUOTE]LL,

That is a very good rule, and any time I have not followed it, I regret it. However I have broken it here because of the desperation I have seen from the women I did know. The irony is that the women I have met in person have been more greedy than the ones I have not known.

What has been surprising to me has been how many women have refused money when I have offered. I will ask, "Are you okay on money now? And many times, they will say yes I am fine. I have never had that happen with an American or Mexican woman.

Of course, I would not be doing this if the women were not stunningly hot.

Will it pay off? Paying in advance certainly has not in the past, but I have a feeling it will be different this time. Only thing is the travel ban has lasted longer than I have thought.

[quote=mrenternational;2472976]lol. Isn't everyone's need for money real? Otherwise why would billions of people go to work everyday?[/quote]bet bet bet!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2471795]In any case, all bars are closed and may be until next year. Flights maybe back in September?

The SF area has a lot of hot girls tho, So you could meet one and do a quickie and if it's love you can have her visit you for outside rendezvous.

Or Tinder could be good, probably will be big if clubs are all closed. It's a shame I miss seeing the strippers and the lapdances.[/QUOTE]El Dorado opens for passengers Sept 1, but only pilot (programs for flights. It's now scheduled back to more or less normal operation as of Nov 1.

[QUOTE=PussyHunter69;2471767]However, because most Santa Fe chikas are not very well intelligent, due to the fact that mane are Venezuelans, today Santa Fe was booming like crazy! I almost did not spot the cops, comparing to 2-3 days ago when they literally terrorized the hood. Anyway I think the enforcement in Santa Fe will resume in a few days, for at least a month, lets see if I'm wrong, I'm buying beers for the home boys! West coast! Amen![/QUOTE]Police force numbers are WAYYYY down in Bogota, just like in many other cities all over the world. They've been sicking out retiring early or just quitting in record numbers.

They have to focus them on just a few areas at a time because they are spread very thin.

So they'll probably back in a few weeks for a few days and then take off again.

This girl texted me out of the blue yesterday: [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/720b5fbe-dd92-4b6c-b3be-419ebcd6717a[/URL].

Her pictures do not do her justice. Of all the women I have seen in Bogota, she may have been the most attractive. She was born on one of the Colombian islands and has a Costeno look to her and approach to sex. I paid $100 for her and got CFS and a BBBJ, and she was great in the sack and gave awesome head.

I think one of you Bogota guys could get her for half of what I paid given she is hard up for money. That would be an incredible bargain.

If I need to make several lengthy phone calls per day to USA what is the cheapest option, I don't want to buy ooma and I have Google Fi.

If I spend 2 hours a day on the phone, my bill will be grande.

TIA.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2476728]If I need to make several lengthy phone calls per day to USA what is the cheapest option, I don't want to buy ooma and I have Google Fi.

If I spend 2 hours a day on the phone, my bill will be grande.

TIA.[/QUOTE]I use MajicJack $40 a year for unlimited USA calls.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2474304]El Dorado opens for passengers Sept 1, but only pilot (programs for flights. It's now scheduled back to more or less normal operation as of Nov 1.[/QUOTE]My flight on Sept 2 from USA to Bogota was just cancelled by United today.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2476728]I don't want to buy ooma and I have Google Fi.

If I spend 2 hours a day on the phone, my bill will be grande.

TIA.[/QUOTE]If you have google fi, MDS, your calls to Colombia are free (and I believe from there): [URL]https://fi.google.com/about/unlimited-calling/[/URL].

I have a google fi phone that I have gotten strictly for use in Colombia.

If this does not work, you can use a phone app that allows you to call over WiFi like skype or tango.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2476728]If I need to make several lengthy phone calls per day to USA what is the cheapest option, I don't want to buy ooma and I have Google Fi.

If I spend 2 hours a day on the phone, my bill will be grande.

TIA.[/QUOTE]If you can qualify for it, get a Tigo postpago. I pay 55 k a month for 8 gb data and unlimited calling and texting to Canada USA and PR.

I talked to a chica of mine in Bogota. According to her, in the beginning, the lockdowns were followed well, and the streets were pretty much deserted. Now she has told me that the people are really tired of the president and his lockdown, no lockdown, lockdown policy. She said there have been marches on the street and the streets have begun to fill with cars. Per her, the police are ticketing people for not wearing masks, and overall, the level of frustration with the president is at an all time high.

From my point of view, I am frustrated as well. I would like to ask the president, "Clearly, the international travel ban has not stopped the virus from spreading in Colombia so if the international travel ban has had no effect, why is it being kept in place?" I would also ask the president why he is forcing people to stay in Colombia given how rampant the virus is there. Why are high risk people being forced to stay in Colombia?

If anyone is in Bogota, I would like you to agree or refute what my chica said. She made it sound like the people's tempers there are boiling over, and riots may be imminent.

Hi!

For anyone on the ground in Bogota, can you please briefly summarize the situation / availability in Santa Fe and in the North? Are there any venues operating? Are girls mainly working Tinder, Seeking and Photoprepagos type sites?

We get this stuff in the news: [URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/economia/sectores/coronavirus-en-colombia-minsalud-autoriza-vuelos-internacionales-533854?fbclid=IwAR0A5nXb3AijzE5gg6bKbcZyhVmRcvBIQCXRo_1Cb8UHCYwrbAgWi-JxaNo[/URL].

This is the study the news article references: [URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.02.20143826v3[/URL].

We use recent data and research results to approximate the probability that an air traveler in coach will contract Covid-19 on a US domestic flight two hours long, both when all coach seats are full and when all but middle seats are full. The point estimates we reach based on data from late June 2020 are 1 in 4,300 for full flights and 1 in 7,700 when middle seats are kept empty.

And Cali expects international flights in September: [URL]https://www.cali.gov.co/turismo/publicaciones/155674/cali-la-capital-que-iniciaria-vuelos-internacionales-en-colombia/[/URL].

I am stunned by this news. I really did not think international travel was happening in Colombia in 2020.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2478647]I talked to a chica of mine in Bogota. According to her, in the beginning, the lockdowns were followed well, and the streets were pretty much deserted. Now she has told me that the people are really tired of the president and his lockdown, no lockdown, lockdown policy. She said there have been marches on the street and the streets have begun to fill with cars. Per her, the police are ticketing people for not wearing masks, and overall, the level of frustration with the president is at an all time high.

From my point of view, I am frustrated as well. I would like to ask the president, "Clearly, the international travel ban has not stopped the virus from spreading in Colombia so if the international travel ban has had no effect, why is it being kept in place?" I would also ask the president why he is forcing people to stay in Colombia given how rampant the virus is there. Why are high risk people being forced to stay in Colombia?

If anyone is in Bogota, I would like you to agree or refute what my chica said. She made it sound like the people's tempers there are boiling over, and riots may be imminent.[/QUOTE]The chica is dumb or mad. First of all the lockdown help with slowing the spread of the virus. As now Bogota is pasted their peak. 3 weeks ago the health care system collapsed meaning there were people who could not go to the hospital because hospital was full and beds and ICU where full. I know a lot of chicas are mad because their international sugardaddies are not coming to Colombia and some won't send anymore money. I know of a specific chica who were asking for 200-400 dollars is now taking 50-70 k a pop so yes hoes pricing are way down.

[QUOTE=Rodeo9112;2478770]Hi!

For anyone on the ground in Bogota, can you please briefly summarize the situation / availability in Santa Fe and in the North? Are there any venues operating? Are girls mainly working Tinder, Seeking and Photoprepagos type sites?[/QUOTE]No bars are open, streetie sweeties all over the place in SF. Would not know how Tinder or all that other jazz is is as I have a few girls in rotation.

As I'm living here, a few updates. Starting 1 of September the ground boarders are still closed for another month but airports can operate again nationally and internationally. However, this does not mean that from one day to another all flights start again as usual. There is a lot of discussions with the mayors of each cities regarding which local routes have to start first. It is expected that only 10% of the national flights will operate again in september. Regarding the international flights, it's even more difficult as it has to be negociated with each country as well as with each airline. It is expected that from the 26 countries that had direct routes to Colombia the first to start will be with USA, Panama, Chile, Ecuador, Peru but I guess it will not be effective before October. Keep in mind that even if you can travel to Colombia, there are still a lot of restrictions. Nightlife (bars, nightclubs, casinos, and of course brothels), indoor sport, cinemas and other social events are still closed for at least 2 more months nationwide. Regarding action, it's all under the radar: street action around Santa Fe and Internet (milerotico, escort sites, tinder, twitter...)

Here is an example for domestic routes with Avianca from Bogota:

Barranquilla from 1st of September, as also Bucaramanga, Cali, Cartagena, Cucuta, Medellin, Monteria, Pereira and San Andres.

Santa Marta from 7th as also Pasto and Villavicencio.

[QUOTE=Routard;2479029]As I'm living here, a few updates. Starting 1 of September the ground boarders are still closed for another month but airports can operate again nationally and internationally. However, this does not mean that from one day to another all flights start again as usual. There is a lot of discussions with the mayors of each cities regarding which local routes have to start first. It is expected that only 10% of the national flights will operate again in september. Regarding the international flights, it's even more difficult as it has to be negociated with each country as well as with each airline. It is expected that from the 26 countries that had direct routes to Colombia the first to start will be with USA, Panama, Chile, Ecuador, Peru but I guess it will not be effective before October. Keep in mind that even if you can travel to Colombia, there are still a lot of restrictions. Nightlife (bars, nightclubs, casinos, and of course brothels), indoor sport, cinemas and other social events are still closed for at least 2 more months nationwide. Regarding action, it's all under the radar: street action around Santa Fe and Internet (milerotico, escort sites, tinder, twitter...)[/QUOTE]Restaurants open?

[QUOTE=Kafka;2479840]Restaurants open?[/QUOTE]For restaurants there is no national rule, each mayor makes his own rules. In Bogota for example restaurants can open only from Thursday till Sunday, the other days is only for take away. Restaurants in hotels have no restrictions for their guests. Another restriction is that you can enter a mall every other day depending if your ID number is even or odd. It is sometimes pretty confusing as all these rules keep changing.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2478943]No bars are open, streetie sweeties all over the place in SF. Would not know how Tinder or all that other jazz is is as I have a few girls in rotation.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Good, key info. Would appreciate a PM with any good chica contacts you're willing to share. Looking more for Semi-pros than hardened clock watchers. Someone who can blend in going to a restaurant and not draw too many eyes because she doesn't know how to dress.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2478647]I talked to a chica of mine in Bogota. According to her, in the beginning, the lockdowns were followed well, and the streets were pretty much deserted. Now she has told me that the people are really tired of the president and his lockdown, no lockdown, lockdown policy. She said there have been marches on the street and the streets have begun to fill with cars. Per her, the police are ticketing people for not wearing masks, and overall, the level of frustration with the president is at an all time high.

From my point of view, I am frustrated as well. I would like to ask the president, "Clearly, the international travel ban has not stopped the virus from spreading in Colombia so if the international travel ban has had no effect, why is it being kept in place?" I would also ask the president why he is forcing people to stay in Colombia given how rampant the virus is there. Why are high risk people being forced to stay in Colombia?

If anyone is in Bogota, I would like you to agree or refute what my chica said. She made it sound like the people's tempers there are boiling over, and riots may be imminent.[/QUOTE]I am in Bogot. There were a few demonstrations last week mostly by angry shop owners due to the "strict quarantine" in three areas. This week strict quarantine is over and shops can operate with some restrictions, so the answer is no, there won't be riots and she is exaggerating.

Today I strolled through Santa Fe and it is the first day that there is no police tape and roadblocks. There were less police and people were out.

I would say at least 100 girls out on the streets -- Some real stunners. I had a nice session with one of my favorite 19 year olds. I was on my way out and ran into my busty girl and she talked me into a room before I knew it. I spent 78 mil which is about $20 these days.

On another note, I recently read about a guy in Medellin who got drugged / robbed by a Tinder girl-- Be careful guys.

Lots of rumor going on about when and where International flights are going to happen. Cali, Bog. Ctg. Ect. I have had more than 3 reservations canceled over the last 6 months for my Novia to fly to the USA, all canceled by the airline a few days before the flight was going to happen. NOW, my girl, who is a genius and one of the top 100 students at the Nat'l university, tells me the pressure to begin international flights has become so intense on Lopez from the, banks, airlines and business community, that she has no choice but to forget her crazy, controlling attitude on opening the airports. As others have said, the mayors in the different cities are going ahead and opening their airports to international travel, she will have no choice but to do the same. So I believe we will see all the airports, open at different times during September, let's hope.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2480237]Lots of rumor going on about when and where International flights are going to happen. Cali, Bog. Ctg. Ect. I have had more than 3 reservations canceled over the last 6 months for my Novia to fly to the USA, all canceled by the airline a few days before the flight was going to happen. NOW, my girl, who is a genius and one of the top 100 students at the Nat'l university, tells me the pressure to begin international flights has become so intense on Lopez from the, banks, airlines and business community, that she has no choice but to forget her crazy, controlling attitude on opening the airports. As others have said, the mayors in the different cities are going ahead and opening their airports to international travel, she will have no choice but to do the same. So I believe we will see all the airports, open at different times during September, let's hope.[/QUOTE]Thanks, LL, you know it is so funny how this works. I said for the last two months that banning international travel did nothing but make Colombia poor. It just blows me away how you state a fact or see other people stating it and then you go from a slow movement to we-got to-do-this right now.

It is kind of like the opposite of what has happened with the lockdowns. Anyone against lockdowns was putting money over lives and now the data show that it did nothing to save lives but was economically devastating for Europe and the Americas. Oh sure, there were some lockdown successes in Asia, but they had plans in place after they had other viral outbreaks before. I bet we see the same type of whiplash reaction on lockdowns we saw on the travel ban. For me, it is about fucking time. The data was not supporting what the so called experts were preaching.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480377]Thanks, LL, you know it is so funny how this works. I said for the last two months that banning international travel did nothing but make Colombia poor. It just blows me away how you state a fact or see other people stating it and then you go from a slow movement to we-got to-do-this right now.

It is kind of like the opposite of what has happened with the lockdowns. Anyone against lockdowns was putting money over lives and now the data show that it did nothing to save lives but was economically devastating for Europe and the Americas. Oh sure, there were some lockdown successes in Asia, but they had plans in place after they had other viral outbreaks before. I bet we see the same type of whiplash reaction on lockdowns we saw on the travel ban. For me, it is about fucking time. The data was not supporting what the so called experts were preaching.[/QUOTE]Economically devastating for Europe and the Americas but more importantly carnally devastating for mongers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2480534]Economically devastating for Europe and the Americas but more importantly carnally devastating for mongers.[/QUOTE]Turgid,

I am so glad to see like me, you have your priorities right.

My girl tells me Lopez had a press conference of sorts today and took a Pontius Pilate point of view and said, "she's tired of trying to protect people and do what you want and open the airports but don't blame me when the virus blows up again". So look for some real headway towards the opening to International flights in the coming weeks.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2480981]My girl tells me Lopez had a press conference of sorts today and took a Pontius Pilate point of view and said, "she's tired of trying to protect people and do what you want and open the airports but don't blame me when the virus blows up again". So look for some real headway towards the opening to International flights in the coming weeks.[/QUOTE]Have you verified the source?

So, Santa Fe is looking like pre-Covid now, they have allowed the cars in again and the main SG blocks have 200+ girls.

I feel so lucky living 5 minutes walk away from so many available hotties.

Tonight I went early evening to see my hot 18 yo squeeze, a pretty regular thing now- Had a great session. She is a really hot cute white girl spinner and she really enjoys me banging her hard.

I had planned to just see her but funny how if I hang around for a little while checking out the scene. I just want to bone a new girl.

And that is what I ended up doing. Ran into an 18 yo Hottie with nice the-cups, perfect and firm. Estefania.

I chose well she was open to doing a BBBJ which is not easy to get first date. Paid about $11.

She was really grooving on my Johnson -- That is what for me makes a ¨best pussy session¨ a very fun hot session where the girl is real into it which is hit and miss.

So I have a new hooker GF to bang! Maybe tomorrow.

Photo is a quick shot of a couple girls sitting in the Schwarma Rey stand.

D-Cup is not incorrect you Keep screwing up my posts with your editing-.

See Link and pasted text below [URL]https://babeappeal.com/d-cup-dd-breast-size-comparison/[/URL].

The two women who are featured above the title "these women are both the cup" are officially not the cups. They are called Gemma Sanderson (brown-haired girl, officially 34 B) and Megan May Williams. Or Megan Williams (blond-haired girl, officially 32 C, or 83 cm). They both work for Storm Model Agency and often model for Asos.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2481004]Have you verified the source?[/QUOTE]Yes Mayor Lopez said it herself.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2481036]I chose well she was open to doing a BBBJ which is not easy to get first date. Paid about $11.[/QUOTE]I see from the photo that she had a sucker in her mouth. That should have suggested she was open to doing a BBBJ.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2481410]I see from the photo that she had a sucker in her mouth. That should have suggested she was open to doing a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Actually, those girls were just sitting in the restaurant I went to (just thought it would be of interest) -- The girl I met was way hotter-- Although I do like the blonde.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2480377]Thanks, LL, you know it is so funny how this works. I said for the last two months that banning international travel did nothing but make Colombia poor. It just blows me away how you state a fact or see other people stating it and then you go from a slow movement to we-got to-do-this right now.

It is kind of like the opposite of what has happened with the lockdowns. Anyone against lockdowns was putting money over lives and now the data show that it did nothing to save lives but was economically devastating for Europe and the Americas. Oh sure, there were some lockdown successes in Asia, but they had plans in place after they had other viral outbreaks before. I bet we see the same type of whiplash reaction on lockdowns we saw on the travel ban. For me, it is about fucking time. The data was not supporting what the so called experts were preaching.[/QUOTE]I don't agree. Lockdowns work if they are taken seriously. Compare Sweden to neighbors Norway, Denmark and Finland.

They do better on the covid spread and their economy is better.

Wearing a mask makes a big difference too if worn properly.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2481597]I don't agree. Lockdowns work if they are taken seriously. Compare Sweden to neighbors Norway, Denmark and Finland.[/QUOTE]BBD, I am not getting into a debate on Covid. What matters is what is happening in Colombia. They and Peru seriously locked down, and they are not seeing a dramatic difference in results in comparison to Brazil and Mexico, which did not lockdown nearly as harshly, and the political will to lockdown is crumbling. You cannot ask the people of a country to make the sacrifices to make lockdowns without tangible benefits and in Colombia, they have not seen said benefits.

Whether they work or not is not relevant to this thread. What is relevant is they did not work in Colombia, and the pressure to unwind them is huge.

My chica in Bogota told me the roads are full again which is what Woodman reported as well. The people are not going to buy into a lockdown again, and the pols are now taking note of it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2480534]Economically devastating for Europe and the Americas but more importantly carnally devastating for mongers.[/QUOTE]"Carnally devastating" is going to be on my next t-shirt.

[QUOTE=DavisLucJr;2482285]"Carnally devastating" is going to be on my next t-shirt.[/QUOTE]If I see that I'll give you a shout out.

Due to current events of police violence avoid the areas of Verbenal, Suba, Kennedy and Bosa.

[QUOTE=Questner;2482636]Due to current events of police violence avoid the areas of Verbenal, Suba, Kennedy and Bosa.[/QUOTE]This does not bode well at all. Colombia seems to be turning into a hotspot, like the US.

I cannot believe this crap-- but not surprised-- See photo-.

[QUOTE=Questner;2482636]Due to current events of police violence avoid the areas of Verbenal, Suba, Kennedy and Bosa.[/QUOTE]One of my chicas said there was some kind of riot or demonstration in Medellin as well. It looks like the quarantine has resulted in some hostilities.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2484351]I cannot believe this crap-- but not surprised-- See photo-.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Facebook and Twitter banned the Chinese scientist who published very reputable papers that showed that the Corona virus originated not in nature but a Wuhan lab.

If Trump wins, I expect there to be anti trust lawsuits against Google, Facebook, and Twitter. These guys keep trying to think that they are not replaceable and I am going to be looking for suitable alternatives. If I am looking for anti-Democrat news, I go right to duckduckgo and leave google behind. Shoot, Google headquarters looked like a funeral after Hilary lost. I cannot believe how much censorship there is on the internet these days, and I think there is an opportunity for companies located abroad to move in that will not do censorship and take market share. I guess no one remembers my space or friendster.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2481694]BBD, I am not getting into a debate on Covid. What matters is what is happening in Colombia. They and Peru seriously locked down, and they are not seeing a dramatic difference in results in comparison to Brazil and Mexico, which did not lockdown nearly as harshly, and the political will to lockdown is crumbling. You cannot ask the people of a country to make the sacrifices to make lockdowns without tangible benefits and in Colombia, they have not seen said benefits.

Whether they work or not is not relevant to this thread. What is relevant is they did not work in Colombia, and the pressure to unwind them is huge.

My chica in Bogota told me the roads are full again which is what Woodman reported as well. The people are not going to buy into a lockdown again, and the pols are now taking note of it.[/QUOTE]"Dramatic" is in the eye of the beholder. Brazil has 4 x more people, yet 6 x more cases and deaths. Sounds dramatic enough to me.

There are clearly the right and the wrong ways of doing things. And yes, even when you do things the right way shit still can happen, but the wrong way will always cost more after the final body count.

Had a great night tonight, I Banged 3 hot girls all great sessions-- I actually was out last night and banged the blond girl I posted in the restaurant photo couple posts back. It was pretty good she was a little stand-offish but started grooving on my dick-- She was fun-- I think I could get her to fall in love.

Tonight was so off the hook, so many chicas all over the place-- Everything shuts at 9 pm these days-.

I ran into the girl I was looking for the last few weeks trying to recapture the magic and would't you know it she was there! Finally got to see her-- I had posted about finding a new GF a few posts back and very happy to see me-- She was porn starlet nasty! Smoking hot Latina 18 yo -- Great sloppy BBBJ and was enjoying me.

Before I saw her I went through the South end for a change and ran into this Hot 22 year old- skinny girl with really nice boobs-- The South stroll Has some hot girls for less like $7 (I tipped her a dollar) -- Just had such a great session. I wanted to hit that babee one more time, I went back and she was not there but I ran into this really super Cute 26 YO white Venezuelan and ended boning her hard-- Phenomenal-- I want to see her again tomorrow -- She gave me a great BBBJ too!

So now I have 2 more smoking hot girls to help support and give them self esteem by boning them hard. Flights opening end of the month from what I hear.

I'm trying to find a girl to seduce someone, it's not going to be hard as he goes to La Piscina often. He lives in Kennedy area, anyone know someone? I'm in the states so can't find someone local for a few more months, and all the girls I spoke to over the phone seemed like I would never hear from them again if I sent them money. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2484962]Had a great night tonight, I Banged 3 hot girls all great sessions--
[/QUOTE]Do you have independent verification? 3 girls in one night? Must have pumped a lot of Viagra.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2484573]Yeah, Facebook and Twitter banned the Chinese scientist who published very reputable papers that showed that the Corona virus originated not in nature but a Wuhan lab.

If Trump wins, I expect there to be anti trust lawsuits against Google, Facebook, and Twitter. These guys keep trying to think that they are not replaceable and I am going to be looking for suitable alternatives. If I am looking for anti-Democrat news, I go right to duckduckgo and leave google behind. Shoot, Google headquarters looked like a funeral after Hilary lost. I cannot believe how much censorship there is on the internet these days, and I think there is an opportunity for companies located abroad to move in that will not do censorship and take market share. I guess no one remembers my space or friendster.[/QUOTE]The left blasts the President because he downplayed the virus so as to not have the people overreact and panic. But a very qualified Virologist who worked in the lab in China, whos knowledge of the virus is impeccable and could quite possibly help people survive this China virus, needs to be censored! The entire media and social network is in the bag for the very dangerous left.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2485335]The left blasts the President because he downplayed the virus so as to not have the people overreact and panic. But a very qualified Virologist who worked in the lab in China, whos knowledge of the virus is impeccable and could quite possibly help people survive this China virus, needs to be censored! The entire media and social network is in the bag for the very dangerous left.[/QUOTE]You realize that the doctor in question works for an organization owned by Slippery Steve Bannon and therefore has zero credibility.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2484962]Had a great night tonight, I Banged 3 hot girls all great sessions-- I actually was out last night and banged the blond girl I posted in the restaurant photo couple posts back. It was pretty good she was a little stand-offish but started grooving on my dick-- She was fun-- I think I could get her to fall in love.

Tonight was so off the hook, so many chicas all over the place-- Everything shuts at 9 pm these days-.

I ran into the girl I was looking for the last few weeks trying to recapture the magic and would't you know it she was there! Finally got to see her-- I had posted about finding a new GF a few posts back and very happy to see me-- She was porn starlet nasty! Smoking hot Latina 18 yo -- Great sloppy BBBJ and was enjoying me..[/QUOTE]Woodman,

Great report as always. Damn I need to get back to Bogota and share the love with these SF cuties.

I remember my last visit, what about one year ago, and the cuties we saw and sampled, just need to make the drive from Medellin now as things have eased and opened up.

This next trip I will bring my wing man as he too loves the vibe of SF and not to forget that we will share driving and hotel costs.

Over the past 5 or 6 months here in Medellin centro the amount of new Vennies has come to a trickle, there are still new ones that show up but between my wing man and myself once you bang these out we always are on the hunt for new pussy and a visit to Bogota should hopefully quench that thirst hehehehe.

As an aside, I just read that over the past 6 months the Colombian government estimates that about 106,000 Venezuelans returned home BUT the report also estimates that over the next 6 months they are planning about 200,000 returning to Colombia, which all means more sweet pussy for us to enjoy.

See you soon!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2485227]Do you have independent verification? 3 girls in one night? Must have pumped a lot of Viagra.[/QUOTE]No video, But I could have gone a 4th time-- all on 1 50 MG-- I regularly do doubles-- Sometimes I will have another 25 MG to avoid complications.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2485409]No video, But I could have gone a 4th time-- all on 1 50 MG-- I regularly do doubles-- Sometimes I will have another 25 MG to avoid complications.[/QUOTE]Haha I've taken five girls upstairs at Fiebre sex and paisas in one night several times. Miss those nights so much.

[QUOTE=Questner;2482636]Due to current events of police violence avoid the areas of Verbenal, Suba, Kennedy and Bosa.[/QUOTE]I live in Kennedy and it's been fine here, except for by Banderas. That was literally only one day though.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2486615]I live in Kennedy and it's been fine here, except for by Banderas. That was literally only one day though.[/QUOTE]Sure, the intention was to warn occasional visitors, and in general the guidelines are to stay away from riots.

Avianca to restart international flights from and to the capital.

From October 1, 2020:

Guayaquil, Ciudad de México, Miami, Nueva York, Quito and São Paulo.

From October 15,2020:

Cancún , Ciudad de Guatemala, La Paz, Punta Cana, Río de Janeiro, San Salvador, Santo Domingo, Santa Cruz de la Sierra, Santiago de Chile and Washington DC

Well 5+ years of mongering here and it happened. In Broad daylight in chapinero. I had my phone in my hand briefly to check something, a man from behind pushes me then snatches it out of my hand, I run after him and he hops on a bike. It was like a movie. Total pros that were most likely watching me.

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru, it still says pending so I have to wait til they post.

I have all the info, the location the phone was found, address it was delivered to and their phones IMEI number. My Colombian friends here say that it is a waste of time to go tot he police station nd report it, however I have all this evidence perhaps if I outline it all clearly they can make some moves. We will see.

I guess with a pandemic and no jobs the crime rate is sky rocketing. Watch yourself out there!!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]Well 5+ years of mongering here and it happened. In Broad daylight in chapinero. I had my phone in my hand briefly to check something, a man from behind pushes me then snatches it out of my hand, I run after him and he hops on a bike. It was like a movie. Total pros that were most likely watching me.

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru, it still says pending so I have to wait til they post.

I have all the info, the location the phone was found, address it was delivered to and their phones IMEI number. My Colombian friends here say that it is a waste of time to go tot he police station nd report it, however I have all this evidence perhaps if I outline it all clearly they can make some moves. We will see.

I guess with a pandemic and no jobs the crime rate is sky rocketing. Watch yourself out there!![/QUOTE]Some years ago in Medellin I was walking down a crowded street with phone in hand and two guys approaching in the opposite direction tried to grab it from me. I held on to it shouting loudly, they walked off. It had no effect on people around.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]Well 5+ years of mongering here and it happened. In Broad daylight in chapinero. I had my phone in my hand briefly to check something, a man from behind pushes me then snatches it out of my hand, I run after him and he hops on a bike. It was like a movie. Total pros that were most likely watching me.

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru, it still says pending so I have to wait til they post.[/QUOTE]Yes you always need to be alert and aware. It happens so quickly that before you realize it bamn it is over.

These fuckers always work in teams, usually in two's.

I have a few rules that now come second nature to me while in centro. The best is boundaries. Any person who walks straight up to me and stands within an arms reach is considered up to no good and will receive a strong push back and he may even fall backwards, I just don't put up with this shit anymore, fuck them.

Do not approach any gringo with a quick lets break the arms reach boundary rule period or you will look like a fool as I stand over your ass yelling at you that your a maricon, then your wipe ass team buddy who tries to come to your rescue will get the same "get medieval on his ass" treatment. I kid you not.

Three times with almost 4 since January of this year in centro this has happened, now they respect me and know not to fuck with the Tall Man and think twice about fucking with any gringo who they may pass.

I am on a much higher alert as my good buddy was drugged this past Monday night from a Tinder girl he invited to his apartment in Medellin. My head is on a swivel.

Much love and respect to all. Stay safe all!

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru[/QUOTE]I can't believe people put themselves in this situation, always travel with a cheap phone with a fake WhatsApp number and apps on it. Keep your main phone with banking apps locked away. A decent cheapo phone is a 100 euros.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]I have all the info, the location the phone was found, address it was delivered to and their phones IMEI number. My Colombian friends here say that it is a waste of time to go tot he police station nd report it, however I have all this evidence perhaps if I outline it all clearly they can make some moves. We will see.[/QUOTE]Good luck with the cops. It sucks, but those dudes had you pegged from the start. It's all about how you present yourself, especially in big cities. If you look like a target, you'll be a target. Personally, I've never had any issues over the past four years. But, I don't look like an old lanky gringo, more like the guy who will rip your arm off and beat you to death with it. If I were you, I'd listen to your friends and cut your losses. Call it the price of tuition for a lesson learned.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2487188]Good luck with the cops. It sucks, but those dudes had you pegged from the start. It's all about how you present yourself, especially in big cities. If you look like a target, you'll be a target. Personally, I've never had any issues over the past four years. But, I don't look like an old lanky gringo, more like the guy who will rip your arm off and beat you to death with it. If I were you, I'd listen to your friends and cut your losses. Call it the price of tuition for a lesson learned.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, even in any big city in the US, cops will not waste their time tracking tracking a phone unless major injuries or death are involved.

How did they get into the phone if it was locked. I carry an old iPhone when I go out but I do have Rappi and uber on it. Didn't think they could gain access to a locked phone.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]Well 5+ years of mongering here and it happened. In Broad daylight in chapinero. I had my phone in my hand briefly to check something, a man from behind pushes me then snatches it out of my hand, I run after him and he hops on a bike. It was like a movie. Total pros that were most likely watching me.

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru, it still says pending so I have to wait til they post.

I have all the info, the location the phone was found, address it was delivered to and their phones IMEI number. My Colombian friends here say that it is a waste of time to go tot he police station nd report it, however I have all this evidence perhaps if I outline it all clearly they can make some moves. We will see.

I guess with a pandemic and no jobs the crime rate is sky rocketing. Watch yourself out there!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487053]Well 5+ years of mongering here and it happened. In Broad daylight in chapinero. I had my phone in my hand briefly to check something, a man from behind pushes me then snatches it out of my hand, I run after him and he hops on a bike. It was like a movie. Total pros that were most likely watching me.

I locked my phone and had icloud locate it later that night. They managed to take the sim out and order almost a $1,000 worth of Rappi. I have to disbute the charges with my bank before the go thru, it still says pending so I have to wait til they post.

I have all the info, the location the phone was found, address it was delivered to and their phones IMEI number. My Colombian friends here say that it is a waste of time to go tot he police station nd report it, however I have all this evidence perhaps if I outline it all clearly they can make some moves. We will see.

I guess with a pandemic and no jobs the crime rate is sky rocketing. Watch yourself out there!![/QUOTE]How could order stuff. IPhones have either face lock or finger ID?

[QUOTE=Xavter;2487349]How did they get into the phone if it was locked. I carry an old iPhone when I go out but I do have Rappi and uber on it. Didn't think they could gain access to a locked phone.[/QUOTE]The phone was locked. They popped out the sim, reset my rappi and ordered that way. Rappi already reversed the charges, but I didn't even know you can order cash thru rappi. I saw the orders coming thru on my Email. I had already canceled the SIM and got a new one shipped but I think the phone company had a delay and it was in that delay time that they were able to get orders in. Not everything was delivered to them. I'm waiting to get my new sim so I can login and see if I can see the address it shipped to.

[QUOTE=Conick2000;2487713]How could order stuff. IPhones have either face lock or finger ID?[/QUOTE]THey popped the SIM out and reset the rappi that way.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487841]THey popped the SIM out and reset the rappi that way.[/QUOTE]Popping a sim card gives no access to a locked phone. Otherwise what's the point of locking if simply popping the sim card is going to open the phone up.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2487840]The phone was locked. They popped out the sim, reset my rappi and ordered that way. Rappi already reversed the charges, but I didn't even know you can order cash thru rappi. I saw the orders coming thru on my Email. I had already canceled the SIM and got a new one shipped but I think the phone company had a delay and it was in that delay time that they were able to get orders in. Not everything was delivered to them. I'm waiting to get my new sim so I can login and see if I can see the address it shipped to.[/QUOTE]I got a feeling you got robbed by a boyfriend or friends of a chica you banged. Never let guard down and don' trust the chicas.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2487086]Yes you always need to be alert and aware. It happens so quickly that before you realize it bamn it is over.

These fuckers always work in teams, usually in two's.

I have a few rules that now come second nature to me while in centro. The best is boundaries. Any person who walks straight up to me and stands within an arms reach is considered up to no good and will receive a strong push back and he may even fall backwards, I just don't put up with this shit anymore, fuck them.[/QUOTE]Tall Man, this strategy can get you killed anywhere in South America. Are you a black belt, ex-Marine, or something? Then you must say something to that effect, because an average gringo who decides to follow your path might have to be shipped back in a box.

Stay safe, people. This is a hobby, not Mortal Combat.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2487854]Popping a sim card gives no access to a locked phone. Otherwise what's the point of locking if simply popping the sim card is going to open the phone up.[/QUOTE] My guess is that Phone was not unlocked. Sim was put into another phone and then used to gain into Rappi account. I wonder if Rappi doesn't have password like Whatsapp doesn't have password?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2487892]Tall Man, this strategy can get you killed anywhere in South America. Are you a black belt, ex-Marine, or something? Then you must say something to that effect, because an average gringo who decides to follow your path might have to be shipped back in a box.

Stay safe, people. This is a hobby, not Mortal Combat.[/QUOTE]You obviously have not met Tall Man-- he is a Giant.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2487892]Tall Man, this strategy can get you killed anywhere in South America. Are you a black belt, ex-Marine, or something? Then you must say something to that effect, because an average gringo who decides to follow your path might have to be shipped back in a box.

Stay safe, people. This is a hobby, not Mortal Combat.[/QUOTE]I find it difficult to disagree with you. These guys walk in 2's and 3's, maltreat one and another stabs you in the back and they all run away.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2487894]My guess is that Phone was not unlocked. Sim was put into another phone and then used to gain into Rappi account. I wonder if Rappi doesn't have password like Whatsapp doesn't have password?[/QUOTE]It's probably a stupid question but I am going to ask anyway. Can you actually save applications to the SIM card memory, I thought it was reserved for contacts and owners info? I thought all apps were supposed be in the cellphone RAM, so in order to get access to those apps, one would need the PIN. I am thinking dude was probably in the process of using the phone when they snatched it out of his hands, so phone had been unlocked the whole and they never let the phone go on lock mode.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2487086]Yes you always need to be alert and aware. It happens so quickly that before you realize it bamn it is over.

These fuckers always work in teams, usually in two's.

I have a few rules that now come second nature to me while in centro. The best is boundaries. Any person who walks straight up to me and stands within an arms reach is considered up to no good and will receive a strong push back and he may even fall backwards, I just don't put up with this shit anymore, fuck them.

Do not approach any gringo with a quick lets break the arms reach boundary rule period or you will look like a fool as I stand over your ass yelling at you that your a maricon, then your wipe ass team buddy who tries to come to your rescue will get the same "get medieval on his ass" treatment. I kid you not.

Three times with almost 4 since January of this year in centro this has happened, now they respect me and know not to fuck with the Tall Man and think twice about fucking with any gringo who they may pass.

I am on a much higher alert as my good buddy was drugged this past Monday night from a Tinder girl he invited to his apartment in Medellin. My head is on a swivel.

Much love and respect to all. Stay safe all!

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]I have a black belt in BJJ and I totally disagree with you. I 'll tell you something. If a guy with a gun approach me I'll give him anything he wants. And the same goes with a knife. On the other hand if a guy with a gun tries to rape my sister, I 'll fight till the end. I hope you understand the difference. It doesn't worth to risk your life for an iPhone or your wallet.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2487892]Are you a black belt, ex-Marine, or something? Then you must say something to that effect, because an average gringo who decides to follow your path might have to be shipped back in a box.

Stay safe, people. This is a hobby, not Mortal Combat.[/QUOTE]Well I believe he is a full foot taller and much bigger than any person that were to approach him. Also, he is a local in MDE, therefore the local Colombians know he's not the right man to go after.

I do agree with you're point of view though Xpartan.

When I'm in South America, I purposely walk out of people's way (as the local Colombian's do, to avoid confrontation), and try to stay as alert and safe as possible.

I do enjoy "shoulder checking" people who try to intimidate me or walk directly into my line of path. However, I only do that here in the states because I live in a city with the rudest people in the USA (if you live here too, you know which city I'm referring to.).

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2487892]Tall Man, this strategy can get you killed anywhere in South America. Are you a black belt, ex-Marine, or something? Then you must say something to that effect, because an average gringo who decides to follow your path might have to be shipped back in a box.

Stay safe, people. This is a hobby, not Mortal Combat.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Best strategy is to be alert and be ready to flee the situation. If people get too close to you, maintain your distance. If they show a knife, run. I've had to do this in both Rio and MDE. Admittedly this can be difficult in a crowded area.

The lack of substantive reports since Colombia reopened is disappointing. What is the Santa Fe scene like now? Have the bars opened? Is it generally the same level of safety / danger as it was pre-pandemic?

[QUOTE=Combo;2488011]Agreed. Best strategy is to be alert and be ready to flee the situation. If people get too close to you, maintain your distance. If they show a knife, run. I've had to do this in both Rio and MDE. Admittedly this can be difficult in a crowded area.[/QUOTE]It is best never to be a coward. Before the pandemic I was in Bogota every month. My first trip with my driver is to a hardware store to purchase a box cutter. If someone approaches me in Santa Fe I slap them away. Never allow anyone to bully you in life. Tallman is correct.

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2488002]I have a black belt in BJJ and I totally disagree with you. I 'll tell you something. If a guy with a gun approach me I'll give him anything he wants. And the same goes with a knife. On the other hand if a guy with a gun tries to rape my sister, I 'll fight till the end. I hope you understand the difference. It doesn't worth to risk your life for an iPhone or your wallet.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how so many assume they will get a gentleman's robbery, ie. Someone standing in front of them with a weapon asking for money or other valuables. It might happen like that, but often it doesn't. Often they work in groups, attack from the blindside, rifle the victim's pockets and run. Weapons beyond fists may or may not be used, but there's no opportunity to either resist or cooperate. Now most people think they are too smart to have anything like this happen, until it happens. But in the meantime try to grow eyes in the back of your head and pay very close attention when walking.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2487899]You obviously have not met Tall Man-- he is a Giant.[/QUOTE]Not to start a debate, but as an ex-boxer, tournament-winning wrestler, weightlifter, and occasional bar brawler, I can say with a lot of experience that when it comes to brawling, height means jack squat. It always ends up on the ground. Plus, this dude talks about himself in the third person, total chump in my book. I agree with Xpartan, Turgid, G Trooper and the others on this one. The best thing to do in that situation is to diffuse and get out. It doesn't matter "how well" a person is known, because you don't know who the other guy knows. I'll tell a little story from when I was in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, so gather 'round kids. I had hired some locals as porters to carry gear to a remote cave I was attempting to descend. After the successful excursion, I paid the leader of the group, and he was to distribute the money to the porters. A week later, I had returned to that small village from another excursion, and found out that the man I paid had not distributed the money equally, paying only his friends. I learned the lesson to pay each person individually after that, but I wanted to beat the hell out of that guy. When I confronted him, the village was watching. Even though I had some on my side, and I could've pounded this guy into the ground, I never threw a punch. They have a system called the Wantok network. And even though this guy was in the wrong, if I hit him, I just hit his entire tribe. Then, it doesn't matter how tough I am, I lose that fight. So, the bottom line and lesson learned: When you get into a confrontation, you better ask yourself if it's really worth it, because you never know who the other guy knows.

Can't seem to find a test site they will test a non citizen for PCR and get the test done and results within the 96 hour window. I'm in Naples FL. But will travel to Miami FL. To get the test, . American won't even let her on the plane this Thursday if she doesn't have the test.

[QUOTE=Marglo;2488085]It is best never to be a coward. Before the pandemic I was in Bogota every month. My first trip with my driver is to a hardware store to purchase a box cutter. If someone approaches me in Santa Fe I slap them away. Never allow anyone to bully you in life. Tallman is correct.[/QUOTE]Nothing cowardly in evading a dangerous confrontation. That person has a knife or possibly a gun and a buddy or two with him. Get the fuck away from them is the best thing you can do.

[QUOTE=Combo;2488125]Nothing cowardly in evading a dangerous confrontation. That person has a knife or possibly a gun and a buddy or two with him. Get the fuck away from them is the best thing you can do.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Anyone who's arguing on picking on a flight has no comprehension on the crime situation. A friend of mine has recently reminded me to listen to this one by JD, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_qX5bPbPUo[/URL].

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2488108]Can't seem to find a test site they will test a non citizen for PCR and get the test done and results within the 96 hour window. I'm in Naples FL. But will travel to Miami FL. To get the test, . American won't even let her on the plane this Thursday if she doesn't have the test.[/QUOTE]Check the [URL]rapidtesttravel.com[/URL] website for Florida locations.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2488107]Not to start a debate, but as an ex-boxer, tournament-winning wrestler, weightlifter, and occasional bar brawler, I can say with a lot of experience that when it comes to brawling, height means jack squat. It always ends up on the ground. Plus, this dude talks about himself in the third person, total chump in my book. I agree with Xpartan, Turgid, G Trooper and the others on this one. The best thing to do in that situation is to diffuse and get out. It doesn't matter "how well" a person is known, because you don't know who the other guy knows. I'll tell a little story from when I was in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, so gather 'round kids. I had hired some locals as porters to carry gear to a remote cave I was attempting to descend. After the successful excursion, I paid the leader of the group, and he was to distribute the money to the porters. A week later, I had returned to that small village from another excursion, and found out that the man I paid had not distributed the money equally, paying only his friends. I learned the lesson to pay each person individually after that, but I wanted to beat the hell out of that guy. When I confronted him, the village was watching. Even though I had some on my side, and I could've pounded this guy into the ground, I never threw a punch. They have a system called the Wantok network. And even though this guy was in the wrong, if I hit him, I just hit his entire tribe. Then, it doesn't matter how tough I am, I lose that fight. So, the bottom line and lesson learned: When you get into a confrontation, you better ask yourself if it's really worth it, because you never know who the other guy knows.[/QUOTE]I could care less if they had a rocket fucking launcher SIZE matters, through their puney barrio life they have been conditioned to not fuck with the big and tall men period.

From early on through all their school years and beyond, if they live that long, they get conditioned to seek the meek and lame and weak for their victims, just like the animal kingdom, the smallest and most fragile are the targets, simple.

Now they don't know that The Tall Man is just a cool guy that never looks for trouble, and a person in my past life always was the peace keeper and not a fighter, nope, rather they just see a big tall guy and so in their under developed and conditioned minds it's like NEXT.

Now during the quarantine I have packed on close to 10 kilos so I am sitting right at 131 kg, ouch where do you start, hehehehe I go to clubs and those big bouncers huh I walk up to them and look down at them, all is cool, no problem, tranquillo parcero.

Now the men / ladrones in Bogota are even smaller in stature, because of the altitude, so they average probably 140 pounds or roughly 65 kg or half my size, so fuck them, yes I have and do get medieval on their tiny ass if they so much as invade my personal space which is defined as a little more than an arms reach.

I recall about 15 years ago while in Bogota, a busy street Calle 19, middle of the day and 2 tried to snatch my back pack, one was a rollo and his accomplice was in a wheel chair, a fucking wheel chair! The people around you will do nothing, I grabbed that punk and threw him to the ground as he started to whimper, then the cripple tries to come to his rescue, jejejeje I told that cripple, maricon that if he fucks with other gringos he will end up with no fucking arms to match his fucking lamb useless dangling legs, what a piece of work, the crowd loved the show, hehehe.

They are probably still talking about this spectacle to their grand children today, oh child "I remember back in the early 2000's and that crippled stupid Colombian tried to fuck with a gringo on calle 19", hehehehe.

Much love and respect for all.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=Combo;2488125]Nothing cowardly in evading a dangerous confrontation. That person has a knife or possibly a gun and a buddy or two with him. Get the fuck away from them is the best thing you can do.[/QUOTE]Glad, most of you guys share my opinion. It's only common sense.

I like this video. It's honest and no hype. Why You Won't Beat Multiple Opponents • Martial Arts Explored.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDRR3jpNK_w[/URL]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2488106]It's amazing how so many assume they will get a gentleman's robbery, ie. Someone standing in front of them with a weapon asking for money or other valuables. It might happen like that, but often it doesn't. Often they work in groups, attack from the blindside, rifle the victim's pockets and run. Weapons beyond fists may or may not be used, but there's no opportunity to either resist or cooperate. Now most people think they are too smart to have anything like this happen, until it happens. But in the meantime try to grow eyes in the back of your head and pay very close attention when walking.[/QUOTE]They attack you because you give them the opportunity to do so. Will they attack for example in parque Lleras? No they won't. Will they attack inside a mall? No. Will they attack in a small alley even if you have eyes on your back? Probably. Do your eyes save you? No.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2488108]Can't seem to find a test site they will test a non citizen for PCR and get the test done and results within the 96 hour window. I'm in Naples FL. But will travel to Miami FL. To get the test, . American won't even let her on the plane this Thursday if she doesn't have the test.[/QUOTE][URL]https://labdoctor.org/[/URL]

They advertise getting the test done in 12 to 24 hours and really do deliver. They are 5 minutes from the Fort Lauderdale airport.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2488160]I could care less if they had a rocket fucking launcher SIZE matters, through their puney barrio life they have been conditioned to not fuck with the big and tall men period.

From early on through all their school years and beyond, if they live that long, they get conditioned to seek the meek and lame and weak for their victims, just like the animal kingdom, the smallest and most fragile are the targets, simple.

Now they don't know that The Tall Man is just a cool guy that never looks for trouble, and a person in my past life always was the peace keeper and not a fighter, nope, rather they just see a big tall guy and so in their under developed and conditioned minds it's like NEXT.

Now during the quarantine I have packed on close to 10 kilos so I am sitting right at 131 kg, ouch where do you start, hehehehe I go to clubs and those big bouncers huh I walk up to them and look down at them, all is cool, no problem, tranquillo parcero.

Now the men / ladrones in Bogota are even smaller in stature, because of the altitude, so they average probably 140 pounds or roughly 65 kg or half my size, so fuck them, yes I have and do get medieval on their tiny ass if they so much as invade my personal space which is defined as a little more than an arms reach.

I recall about 15 years ago while in Bogota, a busy street Calle 19, middle of the day and 2 tried to snatch my back pack, one was a rollo and his accomplice was in a wheel chair, a fucking wheel chair! The people around you will do nothing, I grabbed that punk and threw him to the ground as he started to whimper, then the cripple tries to come to his rescue, jejejeje I told that cripple, maricon that if he fucks with other gringos he will end up with no fucking arms to match his fucking lamb useless dangling legs, what a piece of work, the crowd loved the show, hehehe.

They are probably still talking about this spectacle to their grand children today, oh child "I remember back in the early 2000's and that crippled stupid Colombian tried to fuck with a gringo on calle 19", hehehehe.

Much love and respect for all.

The Tall Man.[/QUOTE]You have an interesting perspective on life, to say the least. And, you certainly think highly of yourself. I've traveled much of Colombia, from Vichada to Amazonas, from Magdalena to Narino, places you've never heard of, and have never had any real issues as far as thefts or attacks go. Granted, I'm very muscular and have been mistaken multiple times for being Colombian in appearance, but I believe it's my outlook that contributes to that safety record. In fact, I've made many friends throughout the country. Yes, I love the girls, but I also respect Colombians for their culture and way of life. You sign off your posts with "respect for all", and in the same post refer to Colombians and their culture as "puny barrio life", "under developed and conditioned minds", and "they average probably 140 pounds or roughly 65 kg or half my size, so fuck them". Doesn't sound too respectful to me, and maybe that's the problem. After all, you moved to this country. But, maybe you don't care about the geography, the culture, or the flora and fauna. Maybe all you care about is solely the girls. It's sad, but your own prerogative. Every time I come to Colombia, I love hitting up Santa Fe, but I also love to explore the country.

You also have to remember that these guys on the streets of Bogota, or any city, aren't trained fighters. Ask Mike Tyson, who is well under six feet, if height mattered. I've taken out my share of tall guys in the ring, but, this isn't the ring, it's a place where there are no rules on the street. It has the potential to be more dangerous. Remember, if someone targets you, they most likely have nothing to lose. So, why risk it? Even if you're ten feet tall, a knife slash to the femoral artery will do you in. But, maybe that doesn't bother you: "I could care less if they had a rocket fucking launcher". You must be bulletproof.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2488291]You have an interesting perspective on life, to say the least. And, you certainly think highly of yourself. I've traveled much of Colombia, from Vichada to Amazonas, from Magdalena to Narino, places you've never heard of, and have never had any real issues as far as thefts or attacks go. Granted, I'm very muscular and have been mistaken multiple times for being Colombian in appearance, but I believe it's my outlook that contributes to that safety record. In fact, I've made many friends throughout the country. Yes, I love the girls, but I also respect Colombians for their culture and way of life. You sign off your posts with "respect for all", and in the same post refer to Colombians and their culture as "puny barrio life", "under developed and conditioned minds", and "they average probably 140 pounds or roughly 65 kg or half my size, so fuck them". Doesn't sound too respectful to me, and maybe that's the problem. After all, you moved to this country. But, maybe you don't care about the geography, the culture, or the flora and fauna. Maybe all you care about is solely the girls. It's sad, but your own prerogative. Every time I come to Colombia, I love hitting up Santa Fe, but I also love to explore the country.

You also have to remember that these guys on the streets of Bogota, or any city, aren't trained fighters. Ask Mike Tyson, who is well under six feet, if height mattered. I've taken out my share of tall guys in the ring, but, this isn't the ring, it's a place where there are no rules on the street. It has the potential to be more dangerous. Remember, if someone targets you, they most likely have nothing to lose. So, why risk it? Even if you're ten feet tall, a knife slash to the femoral artery will do you in. But, maybe that doesn't bother you: "I could care less if they had a rocket fucking launcher". You must be bulletproof.[/QUOTE]President Theodore Roosevelt said: "Speak softly but carry a big stick". A president is in a position to carry a big stick because he has a big security detail. I travel alone. Whether at home or abroad I respect everyone I meet. If I encounter people who wish to attack me my first inclination is to run which I did once successfully. If I cannot escape and they have weapons I will give them what they want. If they do not have weapons I will react as the situation dictates.

I don't really care about any of your opinions on the best way to handle a mugger. What I want to know is:

1. How many girls are in Santa Fe. Is it pretty much back to normal? What about the bars?

2. I've read that Cartagena hotels and apartments are not allowing any guests? Is this happening in Bogota?

3. Finally, is there a reason for all the mugging talk? Have things gotten more dangerous in Santa Fe lately?

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2488930]I don't really care about any of your opinions on the best way to handle a mugger. What I want to know is:

1. How many girls are in Santa Fe. Is it pretty much back to normal? What about the bars?

2. I've read that Cartagena hotels and apartments are not allowing any guests? Is this happening in Bogota?

3. Finally, is there a reason for all the mugging talk? Have things gotten more dangerous in Santa Fe lately?[/QUOTE]There is soooo. Much hot pussy now-- Only streetie sweeties as the bars are closed, so all the bar girls are on the street too.

Ran into some gringos tonight- They are fresh in country and already boned like 10 girls since yesterday- We were walking around there were like 200 or so girls.

Always a new pretty girl.

So flights are arriving.

Best thing to do is find the girl of your dreams and get her to the home or just have fun and tag 3 or 4 a day LOL.

I don't know about the hotels.

Santa Fe is the same- As far as safety It is the same- I am always on guard but have really had no problems.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2488975]

Best thing to do is find the girl of your dreams and get her to the home or just have fun and tag 3 or 4 a day LOL.

I don't know about the hotels.

Santa Fe is the same- As far as safety It is the same- I am always on guard but have really had no problems.[/QUOTE]I was attacked my first night there. I was rolling in the street kicking one of them in the balls when the Killer bees showed up and beat the crap of the crybaby's. Made me appreciated law enforcement. Woodman showed me around 2 or 3 times. It's another world. I love Bogota not for Santa Fe. For all of it. Makes you glad you are alive. I'll be back later this year! Already l have too many SA girls numbers. Might have to stay a month. I don't know how Woodman can handle all that pussy.

Shout out to Ho Lover1 and Elvis 2008, the website recommended by Ho Lover1 and suggested by Elvis turned out to be a lifesaver. [URL]LabDoctor.com[/URL] in fort Lauderdale did a PCR test for us and we got it back in 12 hours, a little steep at $179 but all in all well spent. The airlines are not playing around, they are very strict about the documents needed to travel. In fact my girl told me AA stopped departure to take the bags off the plane belonging to a few people who got removed from the plane because their Docs were not acceptable. We had to wait in along line to be processed for Colombia, while Mexico the Dominican Republic and other countries were flying through because they did not require a PCR. Colombia is causing so much trouble and expense for a lot of visitors an nationals alike.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2489196]Shout out to Ho Lover1 and Elvis 2008, the website recommended by Ho Lover1 and suggested by Elvis turned out to be a lifesaver. [URL]LabDoctor.com[/URL] in fort Lauderdale did a PCR test for us and we got it back in 12 hours, a little steep at $179 but all in all well spent. The airlines are not playing around, they are very strict about the documents needed to travel. In fact my girl told me AA stopped departure to take the bags off the plane belonging to a few people who got removed from the plane because their Docs were not acceptable. We had to wait in along line to be processed for Colombia, while Mexico the Dominican Republic and other countries were flying through because they did not require a PCR. Colombia is causing so much trouble and expense for a lot of visitors an nationals alike.[/QUOTE]I wonder how they determine whether the docs are acceptable or not. It seems to me they could be faked pretty easily. I am *NOT* suggesting anyone fake their documents.

Hi, are Santa Fe clubs still closed today? If yes, did the government talked about a date?

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2489281]I wonder how they determine whether the docs are acceptable or not. It seems to me they could be faked pretty easily. I am *NOT* suggesting anyone fake their documents.[/QUOTE]They are checking the date of the test, the results, and to make sure it is a PCR test. Due to confidentiality laws, the airlines and / or Colombian government are not allowed to call the lab and verify the results without your consent.

However, if you go to Colombia and appear sick or are accused of anyone of spreading the virus, then I imagine authorities could force you to give consent or else. I am not sure what or else could mean deportation or even going to jail if you presented a false document. And I am sure the American Embassy would have no sympathy for you if it appeared you presented a false document.

[QUOTE=JohnDarkSmith;2489339]Hi, are Santa Fe clubs still closed today? If yes, did the government talked about a date?[/QUOTE]So far there is a national decree till end of November forbidding all type of nightlife activities. These decrees have been extended several time since the beginning of the pandemic, so it is impossible to say when it will really end. My guess it that nightlife will start again in december to give a relief to the people for the christmas holydays as the covid numbers are slowing down and the peak is over. But it s just a personal guess. Anyway, regarding Santa Fe if the clubs are closed, the girls are in the streets and the motels are running.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2489348]They are checking the date of the test, the results, and to make sure it is a PCR test. Due to confidentiality laws, the airlines and / or Colombian government are not allowed to call the lab and verify the results without your consent.

However, if you go to Colombia and appear sick or are accused of anyone of spreading the virus, then I imagine authorities could force you to give consent or else. I am not sure what or else could mean deportation or even going to jail if you presented a false document. And I am sure the American Embassy would have no sympathy for you if it appeared you presented a false document.[/QUOTE]Given the ramifications of getting caught falsifying the covid test, I'll pass. Main reason is buying a plane ticket making hotel reservations and going through the whole packing and getting to the airport bla bla bla and then being turned away at the gate from boarding. I'd rather jump thru the hoops and be sure I'm on the flight. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Routard;2489609]So far there is a national decree till end of November forbidding all type of nightlife activities. These decrees have been extended several time since the beginning of the pandemic, so it is impossible to say when it will really end. My guess it that nightlife will start again in december to give a relief to the people for the christmas holydays as the covid numbers are slowing down and the peak is over. But it s just a personal guess. Anyway, regarding Santa Fe if the clubs are closed, the girls are in the streets and the motels are running.[/QUOTE]Anyone know when the Casinos can open in Bogota?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2489196]Colombia is causing so much trouble and expense for a lot of visitors an nationals alike.[/QUOTE]I have a ticket to arrive December 15 and stay 3 weeks. They are saying get a PCR test before the flight AND to use this app while there: [URL]https://coronaviruscolombia.gov.co/Covid19/aislamiento-saludable/coronapp.html[/URL] it supposedly tracks infected people & bad areas. Has anyone done this? My concern is how do we know the girls are not infected. Meeting 100 girls who have met 100 (how many?) guys means plenty of them are carriers. Getting infected probabilities goes up. Woodman? How do you do it? Is getting out of Colombia and flying back to USA a potential problem? Is there rapid testing for girls available?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2490758]I have a ticket to arrive December 15 and stay 3 weeks. They are saying get a PCR test before the flight AND to use this app while there: [URL]https://coronaviruscolombia.gov.co/Covid19/aislamiento-saludable/coronapp.html[/URL] it supposedly tracks infected people & bad areas. Has anyone done this? My concern is how do we know the girls are not infected. Meeting 100 girls who have met 100 (how many?) guys means plenty of them are carriers. Getting infected probabilities goes up. Woodman? How do you do it? Is getting out of Colombia and flying back to USA a potential problem? Is there rapid testing for girls available?[/QUOTE]Hey Don Carlos,

I take my chances-- I have had the virus 3 times since the beginning of this thing.

Although not sure where from?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2490758]I have a ticket to arrive December 15 and stay 3 weeks. They are saying get a PCR test before the flight AND to use this app while there: [URL]https://coronaviruscolombia.gov.co/Covid19/aislamiento-saludable/coronapp.html[/URL] it supposedly tracks infected people & bad areas. Has anyone done this? My concern is how do we know the girls are not infected. Meeting 100 girls who have met 100 (how many?) guys means plenty of them are carriers. Getting infected probabilities goes up. Woodman? How do you do it? Is getting out of Colombia and flying back to USA a potential problem? Is there rapid testing for girls available?[/QUOTE]You won't need a test to re-enter the states. However if they detect a fever or you look sick, they may not let you board or if you get to the states, you will have mandatory quarantine here in the states.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2490788]Hey Don Carlos,

I take my chances-- I have had the virus 3 times since the beginning of this thing.

Although not sure where from?[/QUOTE]How do you know you had it three times? Did your symptoms, if you had any at all, go away and come back? Or could it be those Viagra's, Cialis having some effects on you? 6 18 year old / day that's lot of nuts.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2490758]I have a ticket to arrive December 15 and stay 3 weeks. They are saying get a PCR test before the flight AND to use this app while there: [URL]https://coronaviruscolombia.gov.co/Covid19/aislamiento-saludable/coronapp.html[/URL] it supposedly tracks infected people & bad areas. Has anyone done this? My concern is how do we know the girls are not infected. Meeting 100 girls who have met 100 (how many?) guys means plenty of them are carriers. Getting infected probabilities goes up. Woodman? How do you do it? Is getting out of Colombia and flying back to USA a potential problem? Is there rapid testing for girls available?[/QUOTE]I don't know how one could pursue our hobby w / o a substantial risk of picking up Covid. Mongering is the antithesis of social distancing.

[QUOTE=Combo;2490832]I don't know how one could pursue our hobby w / o a substantial risk of picking up Covid. Mongering is the antithesis of social distancing.[/QUOTE]100% agree! This guy has just sneaked in, so he likely agrees too, LOL [URL]https://colombiainvestmentsummit.co/en/speakers/bill-clinton[/URL].

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2490700]Anyone know when the Casinos can open in Bogota?[/QUOTE]I believe they are open. I remember reading in an article someone posted a few weeks ago when CO opened. According to google, luckia and casino rock and jazz (formally hard rock) are open. Ill find out at the end of the month.

[QUOTE=Combo;2490832]Mongering is the antithesis of social distancing.[/QUOTE]Combo, it depends on how you do it. With me, my mongering was with healthy 20 somethings who are not out banging every guy in sight. I came back and was fine.

Woodman, God bless him, lives in or near Santa Fe and goes out there all the time. With so many people out and about at a place like that and the general shitty health of so many who live and hang out there, it is not a surprise to me that he has gotten sick three times.

With the expense of a Covid test, the longer flight and fewer flights, the dangers of Covid mixed with the temptation of cheap pussy, I am not so sure Colombia is king of the world with regards to mongering right now. I expect it to change but right now I would rank Guadalajara and CDMX over Bogota right now. I think the value in Colombia right now is at the high end. Fucking multiple women seems to be filled with expenses and risks that I do not want to tackle right now.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2490788]Hey Don Carlos,

I take my chances-- I have had the virus 3 times since the beginning of this thing.

Although not sure where from?[/QUOTE]I've read studies about secondary reinfections, but from what I've gathered it's relatively rare. You know for sure those 3 times were new cases and not just remnants of the same virus? Did you get symptoms every time? It's pretty amazing how little we still know about this goddamn thing.

[QUOTE=SethMacfarlane;2490862]I believe they are open. I remember reading in an article someone posted a few weeks ago when CO opened. According to google, luckia and casino rock and jazz (formally hard rock) are open. Ill find out at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]They are open! Found this: [URL]https://www.yogonet.com/international/noticias/2020/09/22/54765-colombia-casino-and-bingo-establishments-allowed-to-reopen-in-bogota[/URL].

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2490788]Hey Don Carlos,

I take my chances-- I have had the virus 3 times since the beginning of this thing.

Although not sure where from?[/QUOTE]Three times, ha, ha. I don't think so.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2490758]I have a ticket to arrive December 15 and stay 3 weeks. They are saying get a PCR test before the flight AND to use this app while there: [URL]https://coronaviruscolombia.gov.co/Covid19/aislamiento-saludable/coronapp.html[/URL] it supposedly tracks infected people & bad areas. Has anyone done this? My concern is how do we know the girls are not infected. Meeting 100 girls who have met 100 (how many?) guys means plenty of them are carriers. Getting infected probabilities goes up. Woodman? How do you do it? Is getting out of Colombia and flying back to USA a potential problem? Is there rapid testing for girls available?[/QUOTE]Just thinking out loud here. If these girls have been with so many guys who have been with so many girls etc etc. And yet they are still around, shouldn't it be likely that they've already gotten the virus and gotten over it? If you know a girl has gotten the virus, is it safe to be with them?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2490867]Combo, it depends on how you do it. With me, my mongering was with healthy 20 somethings who are not out banging every guy in sight. I came back and was fine.

Woodman, God bless him, lives in or near Santa Fe and goes out there all the time. With so many people out and about at a place like that and the general shitty health of so many who live and hang out there, it is not a surprise to me that he has gotten sick three times.

With the expense of a Covid test, the longer flight and fewer flights, the dangers of Covid mixed with the temptation of cheap pussy, I am not so sure Colombia is king of the world with regards to mongering right now. I expect it to change but right now I would rank Guadalajara and CDMX over Bogota right now. I think the value in Colombia right now is at the high end. Fucking multiple women seems to be filled with expenses and risks that I do not want to tackle right now.[/QUOTE]Elvis, I love your posts, but come on. You have no idea how many guys they are with. And even if they aren't banging every guy in sight, they still could be in close proximity to many others. Don't get me wrong. If you're not elderly or obese, you probably don't need to worry much. But pursuing our hobby, even if it's with "healthy 20 somethings," involves a very high probability of coming in contact with Covid. Some of your girls could have had it with no symptoms and the same for you. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Combo;2491159]Elvis, I love your posts, but come on. You have no idea how many guys they are with. And even if they aren't banging every guy in sight, they still could be in close proximity to many others.[/QUOTE]I am comparing the women I see to the street dwellers on Santa Fe. There is no question that there is more disease exposure with Covid in a packed area of often unwell people like with Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Combo;2491159]But pursuing our hobby, even if it's with "healthy 20 somethings," involves a very high probability of coming in contact with Covid. Some of your girls could have had it with no symptoms and the same for you. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Combo, I do not want to debate Covid anymore. When people repeat the same thing over and over again, it is accepted as fact even if the scientific data in making such a proclamation is lacking. Two of the dogmatic areas with Covid are handwashing and asymptomatic spread. I have seen and read both seemingly millions of times. In this case, you are talking about asymptomatic spread.

It is amazing to me that people with no personal experience with Covid will tune out what a WHO leader said first that asymptomatic spread was very, very rare and then a day later said we don't know how Covid is spread. They will tune out how the CDC has been changing on a weekly basis the last few weeks how the virus has spread and insist that every health organization has been crystal clear about asymptomatic spread and by God, asymptomatic spread is happening and anybody who does not know that is an idiot.

I have said before that I was with a woman in Mexico who could not smell or taste, thought she had Covid, and she tested + for it a few days later. I have consistently tested negative and felt fine. The reason I felt comfortable being with her is that I was comfortable with how Covid is really spread with what I read but more importantly with what I have personally seen. I have said before that I have seen hundreds of cases and cannot recall ever seeing anyone who did not know how they got it.

In my opinion, if you stay away from crowds and people who appear sick, you will be fine, but that is just my opinion, and you can take that for what it is worth, an opinion on a hooker board from an anonymous person. I do not recommend anyone else do what I have done.

But Santa Fe compared to a few college coeds with regards to Covid risk? Santa Fe is way riskier. Hell, I remember seeing all kind of nastiness in some of those women before Covid was even a thing.

So I did a 3 city affair first starting in Bogota. I mentioned most of the travel related news, but I will say that customs had a much longer process but fewer travelers so getting in and out of customs was about the same time frame. The ATMs near the baggage claim were working and there was the cambio open near where you pick up your baggage. Another nice touch was a pharmacy inside the airport and I got four generic Cialis for like $20.

As I have said previously, I had been talking with women in Colombia during the quarantine and had helped them out. The idea was that these women would be wanting to tear my clothes off when I finally arrived.

For me, it is about having the best sex and while I have had great strictly pay for play performers in Colombia, I like to go bare, and there have not been any strictly pay for play women that I desired who have ever agreed to do so. I have had much more success on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] and in the sugar baby world.

My ideal companion then is not just one who is great in the sack and then gets her money and runs for the door. As such there is often an endless debate on what you call a woman who takes money from a few but not many men, who is good company outside of the bedroom, and does not look or act like the typical working girl. Such a desire always evokes the moronic common, "She is still a working girl, man" which always leaves me wondering then what woman does not qualify as a working girl.

What I am looking for is not for everyone. If I were still married, I would be happy with just sex with a number of women just for the sake of variety and happy paying women to leave. But with the divorced me, much was being left on the table with female companionship that I can consume now. So I know what I want and often on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] it is an often pleasurable chore to weed out the pay for play women pretending to not be strictly pay for play.

Tall Man has said the only honest woman is a prostitute and certainly after my divorce, I would have bowed to his wisdom and sworn a blood oath to this as fact, but I have stubbornly tried to find the exception. Finding an honest attractive woman who is not strictly pay for play and who gives equally or even desires to give equally has been a difficult if not Herculean task. Too often a woman thinks spreading her legs is priceless and shaming a male qualifies as a contribution to a relationship.

So I am looking for the woman who really wants to suck my cock, who enjoys my company such that she wants to stay in bed with me after sex versus run for the door, who sees the money I give her as a gift and not a wage, and one who tries to give to me in ways other than just sex.

With a five hour layover in Bogota before my going to Medellin, I had proposed meeting Stacy. Stacy had been a woman I had been chatting with and was interested in meeting but because of the length of time of the travel ban, we had stopped calling and texting. Still, one week before we met she texted me out of the blue. I told her that it was possible I would be in Bogota and could meet her for like 2 hours and she agreed to do so.

Stacy is an Avianca airline stewardess who was off work due to the quarantine.

She is very sweet, nurturing, fun to talk to, and speaks decent English. She had a recent injury and between that and the quarantine, I thought she would have some residual fluffiness. When she did come to my hotel, she shocked me by being shorter than I thought but she was very tight and toned all over. For some reason, her pictures do not represent her spirit and looks as well as they should.

So we meet in the hotel room and have a whole 90 minutes together, and she stays at a distance. It appears that she is determined not to have sex with me. I beckon her onto the bed, massage her shoulders, and start kissing her head. Slowly, we start petting. I open up my pants, and she starts rubbing junior, and I start rubbing her. Finally, she relents. "Do you have a condom?" As a matter of fact, honey, I do I tell her. What color and type do you like I say?

She picked wisely and said "I do not need any lube" and I could tell. My hand was drenched. This poor woman had gone without for months and when she mounted me, she pounded me hard. I held back because I expected company later that night in Medellin, but she came and came hard. Unlike many women who orgasm and want to sleep, her orgasms had a stimulatory effect, and she wanted to cum again and again.

In the People's Republic of California, pushing a woman as I did could qualify as rape. Even a woman regretting sex the next day is considered rape.

I left her a gift in her purse and later when she found it instead of shame or a rape accusation, I got, "I am so glad we did that and am so happy to have met you." It was nice being back in a country where a guy can be a guy and a woman can appreciate you for being such. Why is it that I feel like I can only breathe in countries like Colombia?

Most of my trip was in Medellin. I flew there that night, a short flight that I got through playing seven levels on Candy Crush. To the right of me in the window seat was a rocker type guy who looked like an American who also seemed to have missed all of what Colombia had to over. He was his using his nose more to enjoy it though if you know what I mean. I did not talk to him because he was asleep or rather near death the entire flight. An atom bomb going off would not wake this guy up. Anyway, the poor stewardess had to shake the stuffing out of him to get him up and off the plane. Well, I guess we all missed Colombia in our different ways.

I will continue this on the Medellin forum now.

[QUOTE=Combo;2491159]Elvis, I love your posts, but come on. You have no idea how many guys they are with. And even if they aren't banging every guy in sight, they still could be in close proximity to many others. Don't get me wrong. If you're not elderly or obese, you probably don't need to worry much. But pursuing our hobby, even if it's with "healthy 20 somethings," involves a very high probability of coming in contact with Covid. Some of your girls could have had it with no symptoms and the same for you. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Yes but nada. The girls in Mexico are banging guys on the border as often as they can. Colombians have been in lock down with their vibrators. SA girls will venture out but they are not going to hang out unless it's some enhanced clean hotel room. Where our friend Woodman visits is the epicenter (almost) of Virus transmission. God bless him and his immune system. I know, don't believe Trump but partially he's right. Don't let the virus scare you. Bullets only hurt if they make contact. Latin America has some other problems just as deadly and they live their lives regardless. I've had bullets bouncing off walls next to me. Like Woodman I choose to take the risk (well not anywhere near what he does) but I do choose to go places most people would be appalled. Fuck Covid. Viva Colombia.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2491255]Yes but nada. The girls in Mexico are banging guys on the border as often as they can. Colombians have been in lock down with their vibrators. SA girls will venture out but they are not going to hang out unless it's some enhanced clean hotel room. Where our friend Woodman visits is the epicenter (almost) of Virus transmission. God bless him and his immune system. I know, don't believe Trump but partially he's right. Don't let the virus scare you. Bullets only hurt if they make contact. Latin America has some other problems just as deadly and they live their lives regardless. I've had bullets bouncing off walls next to me. Like Woodman I choose to take the risk (well not anywhere near what he does) but I do choose to go places most people would be appalled. Fuck Covid. Viva Colombia.[/QUOTE]Tons of guys go to Santa Fe on a regular basis, that's why it exists. I agree with the bullet analogy. Woodman isn't doing anything different than hundreds of others, they all roll the dice. Of course, he might want to set down the joints and start picking up some dumbbells. A poor picture of health really increases your risks for an unpleasant time with Covid for anybody. But, it's not like all the other viruses took a break. This January into February, I was in Jakarta in some real seedy areas around Kota Indah. Which is just as bad, if not worse than Santa Fe for transmission purposes. I stayed right there and partook every day with those young busty Javanese and Sundanese girls. On my second week, I got nailed with something awful. Fever, sweats, congestion, GI issues, the works. This was when Covid was just coming on the scene, but a month before everything shut down worldwide. Did I have Covid? Who knows. There are so many other viruses out there that can mimic the same symptoms. It took me ten days to shake whatever it was, and I went right back to the girls. It's all about rolling the dice and what it's worth to you. And don't think for a moment that if you get a high-end escort that she's immune.

So, as I mentioned earlier I think I had 3 times-- The last time was verified and I am still recovering a bit.

First time it was just before lockdown. It was just a weird fever that lasted 48 hours-- a guy I was at Atonis with got a lapdance with a stripper the night before we both noticed how hot her temp was during performance and he was in alot of misery for a couple-3 days-- Me just fever chills.

Second time was a few months ago. I had the worst sore throat I have ever had for 12 hours also fever chills-- At the height of it I felt my throat closing and was having trouble breathing. I took some codeine and stayed in bed for 24 hours-- After that I felt fine but my lungs were congested and I was blowing up tons of flem for 2+ weeks-- I have never been sick like this before.

Third time was past weekend-- I was hanging out with these 3 gringos who just got here-- we were sharing joints and doing a bit of coke. After getting home Saturday night I came down with a fever and terrible headache -- The headache lasted 36 hours and I hardly got relief from alka seltzer or codeine-- I was in bed for 3 days -- I am in recovery now about 85%. Not sure but these guys I was with may have had it-- They were closest contact I had had with anyone except 2 girls I had banged on Thursday or Friday? -- so could have been one of them-- The guys are symptom free last I checked. They are 30-40 yo in great condition. Also my GF is 22 (1 of the girls) and she has no symptoms last I checked.

Went and got tested and just found out I'm positive and must isolate at home. I must recheck in 10 days or so-- I had the Hydroxychloroquine / Z-pack but I did not take it. I would have if symptoms had gotten worse.

I think people at risk should be very careful and probably stay home, this virus is no joke. I am 57 and in pretty good shape. I am on testosterone and I think that probably helped me out. -- Actually had an injection on Tuesday and really started feeling much better.

Went with some guys to Mezzanine on Saturday. There are 6 studios only 3 were open-- I think the others are closed for business at this time.

I saw 9 girls there-- Probably more during the week- 4 were super hot.

So I guess that other places are now open?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2491237]So I did a 3 city affair first starting in Bogota...[/QUOTE]Thank you for the report.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2491401]Went with some guys to Mezzanine on Saturday. There are 6 studios only 3 were open-- I think the others are closed for business at this time.

I saw 9 girls there-- Probably more during the week- 4 were super hot.

So I guess that other places are now open?[/QUOTE]Has to be the smallest massage room y table in the planet. My wingman fell off the table the first time we went there. LOL.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2491401]Went with some guys to Mezzanine on Saturday. There are 6 studios only 3 were open-- I think the others are closed for business at this time.
I saw 9 girls there-- Probably more during the week- 4 were super hot.
So I guess that other places are now open?[/QUOTE]Are the girls wearing masks or not? The table in the back room has the largest space available. Are people in general wearing masks in Bogota?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2491394]So, as I mentioned earlier I think I had 3 times-- The last time was verified and I am still recovering a bit.[/QUOTE]When you test negative for COVID, you might want to test for antibodies next. They should be able to determine if you'd really had COVID before or if those incidents had been some other strong shit you caught. I remember flying into Panama City a couple years ago on United, I stupidly ordered a sandwich onboard, and was too lazy to go and wash my hands. By the time I got to my hotel, I had a fever and shakes of the magnitude I didn't remember having ever. I had to turn off the AC (again, Panama City! And stayed under 2 blankets and still couldn't get warm. Next morning I couldn't even think of getting out of bed. I spent 3 days total in my hotel room. Finally, on the 4th day felt better and ventured out of the hotel. Walked for about 5 minutes slightly uphill and had to sit down. The fucking thing fully cleared on the day 5, and man, it was scary.

What I'm saying is that if something like that happened to me in 2020, I would be totally sure it's COVID.

Stay safe!

A heads up to anyone trying to get to Bogota from the Southeast. After searching for a week to get a decent flight to Bogota, Delta finally posted a good flight schedule.

ATL. To Bog direct, $370 or abouts. And not only is the schedule good, It's a wide body jet to boot. 2 x3 x2 with seats blocked for covid. Leave ATL. In the afternoon direct and arrive early evening, Rtn. At 7;30 am or so also direct. No 1:30 am flight, No Connection, no $1599 price tag. And my 20,000 miles from flying Delta years ago are still there.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2491394]So, as I mentioned earlier I think I had 3 times-- The last time was verified and I am still recovering a bit.

First time it was just before lockdown. It was just a weird fever that lasted 48 hours-- a guy I was at Atonis with got a lapdance with a stripper the night before we both noticed how hot her temp was during performance and he was in alot of misery for a couple-3 days-- Me just fever chills.

Second time was a few months ago. I had the worst sore throat I have ever had for 12 hours also fever chills-- At the height of it I felt my throat closing and was having trouble breathing. I took some codeine and stayed in bed for 24 hours-- After that I felt fine but my lungs were congested and I was blowing up tons of flem for 2+ weeks-- I have never been sick like this before.

Third time was past weekend-- I was hanging out with these 3 gringos who just got here-- we were sharing joints and doing a bit of coke. After getting home Saturday night I came down with a fever and terrible headache -- The headache lasted 36 hours and I hardly got relief from alka seltzer or codeine-- I was in bed for 3 days -- I am in recovery now about 85%. Not sure but these guys I was with may have had it-- They were closest contact I had had with anyone except 2 girls I had banged on Thursday or Friday? -- so could have been one of them-- The guys are symptom free last I checked. They are 30-40 yo in great condition. Also my GF is 22 (1 of the girls) and she has no symptoms last I checked..[/QUOTE]Your a nice guy. I wish of all the things you do in Santa Fe you would stop sharing joints with other people. I think that puts you at the most risk.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2491561]When you test negative for COVID, you might want to test for antibodies next. They should be able to determine if you'd really had COVID before or if those incidents had been some other strong shit you caught. I remember flying into Panama City a couple years ago on United, I stupidly ordered a sandwich onboard, and was too lazy to go and wash my hands. By the time I got to my hotel, I had a fever and shakes of the magnitude I didn't remember having ever. I had to turn off the AC (again, Panama City! And stayed under 2 blankets and still couldn't get warm. Next morning I couldn't even think of getting out of bed. I spent 3 days total in my hotel room. Finally, on the 4th day felt better and ventured out of the hotel. Walked for about 5 minutes slightly uphill and had to sit down. The fucking thing fully cleared on the day 5, and man, it was scary.

What I'm saying is that if something like that happened to me in 2020, I would be totally sure it's COVID.

Stay safe![/QUOTE]Sounds like my air asia flight last year BKK to Manila.

Before I got off the plane I was so weak and ill.

I was in a hotel just sleeping not eating like your story for 4-5 days.

Side note right before it hit me on the plane.

The stewardess walked past a few times spring some noxious shit into the over head vent.

I was choking really badly.

My "theory" was they knew someone on the flight was ill with some funky shit.

I swear I was the only guy on that plane that wasn't chattering in arabic.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2493270]Sounds like my air asia flight last year BKK to Manila.

Before I got off the plane I was so weak and ill.

I was in a hotel just sleeping not eating like your story for 4-5 days.

Side note right before it hit me on the plane.

The stewardess walked past a few times spring some noxious shit into the over head vent.

I was choking really badly.

My "theory" was they knew someone on the flight was ill with some funky shit.

I swear I was the only guy on that plane that wasn't chattering in arabic.[/QUOTE]Apart from covid 19 there are some nasty bugs going around, I got one during my flight to Sao Paulo last year, laid me up for 11 days. Eleven days in my hotel room with no possibility of having sex.....in Sao Paulo.

I was at a few strip clubs Saturday. I went to few at 11 and was the only customer. Ended the night at lidos (about 45 girls and 5 customer coming and going) stayed there till 430, still was live.

Question for anyone that knows Bogota is there any other club that compares to lidos?

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2494528]I was at a few strip clubs Saturday. I went to few at 11 and was the only customer. Ended the night at lidos (about 45 girls and 5 customer coming and going) stayed there till 430, still was live.

Question for anyone that knows Bogota is there any other club that compares to lidos?[/QUOTE]It is good news that any are open. I thought that they were all closed.

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2494528]I was at a few strip clubs Saturday. I went to few at 11 and was the only customer. Ended the night at lidos (about 45 girls and 5 customer coming and going) stayed there till 430, still was live.

Question for anyone that knows Bogota is there any other club that compares to lidos?[/QUOTE]I believe there's a few one of them are Olimpios. Routards faq has a lot of info. If you notice all the clubs close to that area have similar set ups. It's hit or miss. My first trip to Bogota 2 years ago Lidos had the hottest girls by far.

I'm going to be in Bogota next week. I'll be taking a Woodman tour my first day. He has been a great contact thus far.

I have a few questions still after ready back two years of the forum.

1. From what I understand Uber no longer works in Bogota. So does that mean I need to use the Easy Taxi or Cabify apps that have been discussed? Do these apps work like Uber? I like taking a taxi most of the time as I find it inexpensive.

2. On that note it seems its easier just to leave the airport in a normal taxi downstairs. This should cost 30 k to Santa Fe correct?

3. I have always been fascinated by the Choco region. It is supposedly the most impovereished part of Colombia and the majority of people there are black. In this vein are their any black girls working the streets in Santa Fe? I'd love to find one from Choco.

4. From what I had read the best place to use the ATM when you first arrive (I will not use an ATM on the street) is the Colpatra / Davividena ATM at the airport across from Migration. Is this still true and what part of the airport is this ATM in?

5. Is the Tantra Spa still open? This place appears to be near Abu Dubai Spa so ID like to do both when I am in the area.

6. Where can I get the small bills necessary to pay exact?

7. I've got a thing for preggos or lactating girls. Are they to be found among the Santa Fe SW's? One board member in Medellin connected me with a girl there and although I won't being her down she keeps sending me videos of her pumping glasses full of milk in an effort to get me to bring her to Bogota. I'll post some pics and videos she sent.

8. If I want to leave Santa Fe at night where is the best place to use the taxi apps to get a taxi? Everything I read says Uber and others will not come to Santa Fe.

9. How are you guys cleaning yourselves up between girls? Many reports say the rooms have no running water. Are you using baby wipes?

10. Given the ridiculous cost of prescription drugs in the USA ID like to bring back some Amoxicliin. Can anyone recommend any other medicines worth buying and bringing back? Am I allowed to bring these medicines back to the USA?

Looking forward to your answers and my trip next week.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]I'm going to be in Bogota next week.[/QUOTE]Which days will you be there? I will be in Bogota as well but also heading up to Barranquilla for a couple of days.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]4. From what I had read the best place to use the ATM when you first arrive (I will not use an ATM on the street) is the Colpatra / Davividena ATM at the airport across from Migration. Is this still true and what part of the airport is this ATM in?[/QUOTE]The ATM is right next to the money exchange place where everyone will be picking up their bags if they checked any in.

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2494528]I was at a few strip clubs Saturday. I went to few at 11 and was the only customer. Ended the night at lidos (about 45 girls and 5 customer coming and going) stayed there till 430, still was live.

Question for anyone that knows Bogota is there any other club that compares to lidos?[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, and this is after having asked many local guys, taxi drivers, Lido is still the club that you can find a good number of hot girls in one place if you don't mind the charges. I have also been to many others recommended by the same local guys, but nothing is on the same level. I like the safe and upscale environment the club provides, but this definitely is going to cost you. A lot have been said about getting the same quality of girls at lower cost, all true, Fiebre, troya. They are just different kind of clubs, and I enjoyed both types.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]

1. From what I understand Uber no longer works in Bogota. So does that mean I need to use the Easy Taxi or Cabify apps that have been discussed? Do these apps work like Uber? I like taking a taxi most of the time as I find it inexpensive.

2. On that note it seems its easier just to leave the airport in a normal taxi downstairs. This should cost 30 k to Santa Fe correct?

4. From what I had read the best place to use the ATM when you first arrive (I will not use an ATM on the street) is the Colpatra / Davividena ATM at the airport across from Migration. Is this still true and what part of the airport is this ATM in?

6. Where can I get the small bills necessary to pay exact?

9. How are you guys cleaning yourselves up between girls? Many reports say the rooms have no running water. Are you using baby wipes?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]1. I believe tapsi, cabify, easy taxi and didi still work, not 100% sure because I haven't been to CO this year.

2. You can line up at the taxi line, just be sure the meter is on and the fare chart is available (carta de tarifa I think its called) or right before you go outside you can see go to one of the car service guys in orange and request a ride, the price is given upfront. Last time I used this service I got a van because I had a few buddies with me, I remember the price being reasonable.

4. yes the ATMs right after your lugged passed the xray machine are decent. I didn't find the exchange rates to be much different than the ATMs in the city.

6. For smaller bills, I would go to a convenience store a few times to get some some essentials to break up some cash.

9. Wipes are usually my go to, go with unscented. Some ladies don't like the fragrances.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]1. From what I understand Uber no longer works in Bogota. So does that mean I need to use the Easy Taxi or Cabify apps that have been discussed? Do these apps work like Uber? I like taking a taxi most of the time as I find it inexpensive.[/QUOTE]Uber works. Uber at the airport coming from the airport is a hassle. I would just go with a cab. It is usually around 10,000 COP more. There are not too many black girls working but I did find a chocolate beauty in Santa Fe. There is a pharmacy at the airport but also a few in Santa Fe region. You want to load up on the boner pills. Legally speaking, you are supposed to declare the medication, but I never do by plane.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]3. I have always been fascinated by the Choco region. It is supposedly the most impovereished part of Colombia and the majority of people there are black. In this vein are their any black girls working the streets in Santa Fe? I'd love to find one from Choco.

6. Where can I get the small bills necessary to pay exact?

8. If I want to leave Santa Fe at night where is the best place to use the taxi apps to get a taxi? Everything I read says Uber and others will not come to Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]3. Fascinated with Choco department, how come? Yes, there are black girls in Santa Fe. They're usually the only ones I screw. However, I never asked if they were from a specific department. There is a higher concentration of Afro-Colombians near the Pacific coast all the way down to Narino, not just Choco. If you really are into those types of girls, just go there. Most of the guys on these forums are city-hoppers, not travelers, but trust me, it's worth venturing out. Or, go right to the source of their roots: west Africa. From experience I can tell you, you'll have a high exotic factor. As for the most impoverished area in Colombia, just start heading southeast from Villavicencio, they're worse off than the Pacific coast.

6. Go to your bank and order the money. That's what I do, and I've rarely had to use an ATM, and never a money changer. You can also ask for a mix of denominations. The exchange rate is in the ballpark of money changers in the country, the difference is, it'll save you a lot of hassle.

8. There are multiple, and cheap places to stay around Santa Fe if that's where you're going to spend your time. I just walk back to my hotel. The area is very easy to get around. Just cross the tracks, and loop around the next couple blocks, very straightforward.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2494881]3. Fascinated with Choco department, how come? Yes, there are black girls in Santa Fe. They're usually the only ones I screw. However, I never asked if they were from a specific department. There is a higher concentration of Afro-Colombians near the Pacific coast all the way down to Narino, not just Choco. If you really are into those types of girls, just go there. Most of the guys on these forums are city-hoppers, not travelers, but trust me, it's worth venturing out. Or, go right to the source of their roots: west Africa. From experience I can tell you, you'll have a high exotic factor. As for the most impoverished area in Colombia, just start heading southeast from Villavicencio, they're worse off than the Pacific coast.

6. Go to your bank and order the money. That's what I do, and I've rarely had to use an ATM, and never a money changer. You can also ask for a mix of denominations. The exchange rate is in the ballpark of money changers in the country, the difference is, it'll save you a lot of hassle.

8. There are multiple, and cheap places to stay around Santa Fe if that's where you're going to spend your time. I just walk back to my hotel. The area is very easy to get around. Just cross the tracks, and loop around the next couple blocks, very straightforward.[/QUOTE]Don't know what bank you deal at. But when I checked the exchange rates at my bank they were taking over 10%. No way I'm going for that. I do the ATM machines usually Scotia / Colpatria if I can find one that will dispense the cash. And when I do the max withdrawal it works out to around 3-4 percent. That includes my $5 foreign transaction fee at home, the currency conversion they use (my bank sets that I think at 2. 5% and the 12 -15 K peso ATM charge. From my country that's the best that can be done as far as I know. Even if I have a Scotia account at home. Bastards. That's on 900 K pesos.

Anyway, the moral of the story is check what you're actually getting. They say, oh, we don't charge a fee. But they give you some phony "bank exchange rate" that is 2. 5% off the mid-market quoted rate for that day.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2494904]Don't know what bank you deal at. But when I checked the exchange rates at my bank they were taking over 10%. No way I'm going for that. I do the ATM machines usually Scotia / Colpatria if I can find one that will dispense the cash. And when I do the max withdrawal it works out to around 3-4 percent. That includes my $5 foreign transaction fee at home, the currency conversion they use (my bank sets that I think at 2. 5% and the 12 -15 K peso ATM charge. From my country that's the best that can be done as far as I know. Even if I have a Scotia account at home. Bastards. That's on 900 K pesos.

Anyway, the moral of the story is check what you're actually getting. They say, oh, we don't charge a fee. But they give you some phony "bank exchange rate" that is 2. 5% off the mid-market quoted rate for that day.[/QUOTE]P.S. And don't tell me to use Shwab. They don't offer their brokerage account no fee deal outside of the US.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2494904]I do the ATM machines usually Scotia / Colpatria if I can find one that will dispense the cash.[/QUOTE]"If" is the key word in that statement. I use MT bank, and my last exchange was 6% off XE's quotes. It might not be the rock bottom, but it's in the ballpark, and it's already in my pocket when I arrive. No searching, no dicking around. Plus, I spend a lot more time in remote areas than I do in cities, that's where the adventure is (getting girls is only a part of my trips). So, if I'm connecting through to a little airport, I'd rather have cash in pocket, than hope I find an ATM in transit. That's me. If someone is spending all their time in a city, then they'll have time to look around for the best option. Let's face it though, a lot of guys on here are living off old money, and they're still cheap as shit. It boils down to what your time is worth and where you're going.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2494905]P.S. And don't tell me to use Shwab. They don't offer their brokerage account no fee deal outside of the US.[/QUOTE]Not looking for beef, and I just want to provide some firsthand info. I've been using Schwab internationally (including Colombia) for over a decade now. They always reimburse my ATM fees at the end of the month.

Schwab also gave me money when I was stranded abroad. Not a loan. Nothing needed to be paid back. They simply helped out a longtime customer and gave me a sizable amount of cash.

I went to a few clubs yesterday. Fiebre, and one next door to paisa. Also went to la 49 (closed) and pussy house (it looked closed but someone popped out and stopped us as we where leaving). There line up is miles away from lidos. Miles. No taxi knew about Olimpos.

The entire train wreck that Colombia has perpetrated on the Colombian people and the world for that matter has just about wore me out. My girl went through hell and back in Colombia to get a few hour flight to Miami. The bull shit to get to Miami was nothing short of a miracle, with Lopez and the entire gang that can't shoot straight. First, Bogota to Ctg, paper work up the ass, temperatures at least 4 times before getting on the first plane. Get in the airport, get out of the airport, get back in the airport, fill out the app, No luggage carts allowed, no bathrooms allowed, no food, no WATER, on and on. Finally when she gets to Miami, we begin to feel normal, we can piss, we can have a bottle of water, we can use a luggage cart, and guess what, nobody got covid from taking a piss! The only problem was again, caused by Colombia. The PCR test we had to lose a whole day and $189 to show the test to Colombia, the DR didn't have to and neither did dozens of other countries. So we had a great time, beautiful weather, restaurant's were open, our pool was open other than losing and entire day traveling from Marco Island to Miami to get the Huppty Do PCR test for over $200 just to get back into Colombia by a COLOMBIAN National. The vacation was great. Now its my turn, I will go and get my PCR test on Friday to be within the 96 hours of my flight on Monday. But I have noticed a lot of things are still closed, Now I am beginning to check out the Apps-Migration and I read this. WTF does this mean on the form.

"Temporary Permit of Permanence to Extend Permanence" WTF? I love Colombia and the Colombian people but the only government more fucked up than the USA has to be Colombia. I have been to many, many places in the world and I have never had a second thought to travel. But I just may rethink this whole trip.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2494953]Not looking for beef, and I just want to provide some firsthand info. I've been using Schwab internationally (including Colombia) for over a decade now. They always reimburse my ATM fees at the end of the month.

Schwab also gave me money when I was stranded abroad. Not a loan. Nothing needed to be paid back. They simply helped out a longtime customer and gave me a sizable amount of cash.[/QUOTE]I have nothing against Schwab. But it only works if you are from the United States. That was my point on the Shwab comment.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2495208]I have nothing against Schwab. But it only works if you are from the United States. That was my point on the Shwab comment.[/QUOTE]I used it in at least a dozen different countries; no issues.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2495208]I have nothing against Schwab. But it only works if you are from the United States. That was my point on the Shwab comment.[/QUOTE]Yes, I should have been more specific. Schwab refunds ATM fees internationally as well.

The proof is in the pudding.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2495205]Now I am beginning to check out the Apps-Migration and I read this. WTF does this mean on the form.

"Temporary Permit of Permanence to Extend Permanence" WTF? [/QUOTE]Where are you seeing this? I do not see this at all. But it means permit for temporary stay or extend stay.

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2495219]I used it in at least a dozen different countries; no issues.[/QUOTE]Let me try.

He is not a resident of the United States and doesn't live in the United States. The Schwab account which reimburses all ATM fees is not available to him.

If he emigrated to the United States, he could presumably get an account with Schwab and in 600 years the savings on ATM fees would pay for the cost of emigrating to the US.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]I'm going to be in Bogota next week. I'll be taking a Woodman tour my first day. He has been a great contact thus far.

I have a few questions still after ready back two years of the forum.

1. From what I understand Uber no longer works in Bogota. So does that mean I need to use the Easy Taxi or Cabify apps that have been discussed? Do these apps work like Uber? I like taking a taxi most of the time as I find it inexpensive.

2. On that note it seems its easier just to leave the airport in a normal taxi downstairs. This should cost 30 k to Santa Fe correct?

3. I have always been fascinated by the Choco region. It is supposedly the most impovereished part of Colombia and the majority of people there are black. In this vein are their any black girls working the streets in Santa Fe? I'd love to find one from Choco.

4. From what I had read the best place to use the ATM when you first arrive (I will not use an ATM on the street) is the Colpatra / Davividena ATM at the airport across from Migration. Is this still true and what part of the airport is this ATM in?

5. Is the Tantra Spa still open? This place appears to be near Abu Dubai Spa so ID like to do both when I am in the area.

6. Where can I get the small bills necessary to pay exact?

7. I've got a thing for preggos or lactating girls. Are they to be found among the Santa Fe SW's? One board member in Medellin connected me with a girl there and although I won't being her down she keeps sending me videos of her pumping glasses full of milk in an effort to get me to bring her to Bogota. I'll post some pics and videos she sent.

8. If I want to leave Santa Fe at night where is the best place to use the taxi apps to get a taxi? Everything I read says Uber and others will not come to Santa Fe.

9. How are you guys cleaning yourselves up between girls? Many reports say the rooms have no running water. Are you using baby wipes?

10. Given the ridiculous cost of prescription drugs in the USA ID like to bring back some Amoxicliin. Can anyone recommend any other medicines worth buying and bringing back? Am I allowed to bring these medicines back to the USA?

Looking forward to your answers and my trip next week.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Is all of this still in place to travel to Colombia?

Negative PCR COVID-19 test results dated within 96 hours before departure.

Complete the online pre-travel registration form "Check-Mig" within one to 24 hours of your flight departure time.

Download CoronApp to self-report your health throughout the duration of your trip.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2495265]Let me try.

He is not a resident of the United States and doesn't live in the United States. The Schwab account which reimburses all ATM fees is not available to him.

If he emigrated to the United States, he could presumably get an account with Schwab and in 600 years the savings on ATM fees would pay for the cost of emigrating to the US.[/QUOTE]Thanks JjBee. Exactly. I'm Canadian and you cannot get that type of a Schwab account here, nor can I open a US account without being a resident of the US. I wish I could. We have no equivalent deal in Canada.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2495340]Is all of this still in place to travel to Colombia?

Negative PCR COVID-19 test results dated within 96 hours before departure.

Complete the online pre-travel registration form "Check-Mig" within one to 24 hours of your flight departure time.

Download CoronApp to self-report your health throughout the duration of your trip.[/QUOTE]Yes. I don't think you need the Corona app if you are not traveling to different cities. You need a local number to activate it though. I downloaded it the other day and put in one of my chick's phone number then she sent me to code to activate it when they texted it to her phone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2495358]Yes. I don't think you need the Corona app if you are not traveling to different cities. You need a local number to activate it though. I downloaded it the other day and put in one of my chick's phone number then she sent me to code to activate it when they texted it to her phone.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E. Seems I need to find someplace to have a COVID test taken. Most places want 3-5 business days to get back results.

Showdown.

I'm in Bogota now. Had a Monday morning flight at 6 am on Spirit from Chicago. Took my test last Thursday at 2 pm. 96 hrs. Asked for rapid results, they said Don't worry, regular test should be back in time. Monday morning got here, No Results. Pulled up my daughter's negative test, PDF. Opened up Adobe Acrobat, changed the name and put PCR test on there. Been in Bogota since Monday afternoon, No problems at all. Yes I took a chance but I wasn't missing this pussy.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2495362]Thanks Mr E. Seems I need to find someplace to have a COVID test taken. Most places want 3-5 business days to get back results.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2495477]I'm in Bogota now. Had a Monday morning flight at 6 am on Spirit from Chicago. Took my test last Thursday at 2 pm. 96 hrs. Asked for rapid results, they said Don't worry, regular test should be back in time. Monday morning got here, No Results. Pulled up my daughter's negative test, PDF. Opened up Adobe Acrobat, changed the name and put PCR test on there. Been in Bogota since Monday afternoon, No problems at all. Yes I took a chance but I wasn't missing this pussy.[/QUOTE]I should be there December 6. Maybe a week sooner. BIG problem, I have too many SA girls blowing up my phone. Tying to figure out how to interview as many as possible. (thinking of finding some way to feed them all at a restaurant or? To cover their visit / time, LOL) Already going to stay 3 weeks instead of one. And 2 cities, adding Medellin! Seems complicated with the tracking app. In 5 weeks everything could be a lot different. Woodman? Going to need ya.

Sooooo, I bypass the Wine and Dine part of seeking arrangement. I message them and I tell them I only want casual sex, BBFS. I take Prep 20 days before I go and Doxiciclina a day or 2 before I go back home to my girl. I probably messaged 75 girls. 70% said yes, and 30% said no. I pay between 200 mil to 300 mil. 2 girls a day in 6 days, sometimes 3 a day.

Conversation usually goes like this:

Hola bebe.

Hola, como estas.

Estoy genial.

I will be in Bogota and I would love to see you if we can come to agreement.

Yes, that would be great, what type of arrangement you think.

200 mil, sin condom, and I have vasectomy, etc.

Why sin condom?

Hard to leche with condom and erection goes down.

Okay, I understand, can you do 250 mil.

Sure I can.

This is me, I know its not for everyone, but if I'm going to pay, its going to be on my terms.

Also, building chemistry is great, if that's what you are into, it does make the sex better, but I try to bypass all the wine and dine and it has worked. We do converse once they get to my Airbnb.

Also. For the people saying why don't you just get a Prepagos or Milterios if you are not going to spend money on them. Surprisingly, I get more No's from the Prepagos for what I'm asking for. Except my regular, who I see every time I come to Bogota.

This has been my experience. I may go to Sante fe for the cheap cheap, but I prefer this.

Here are some pics.

If you want numbers or names, inbox me.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2495812]I should be there December 6. Maybe a week sooner. BIG problem, I have too many SA girls blowing up my phone. Tying to figure out how to interview as many as possible. (thinking of finding some way to feed them all at a restaurant or? To cover their visit / time, LOL) Already going to stay 3 weeks instead of one. And 2 cities, adding Medellin! Seems complicated with the tracking app. In 5 weeks everything could be a lot different. Woodman? Going to need ya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2495850]Sooooo, I bypass the Wine and Dine part of seeking arrangement. I message them and I tell them I only want casual sex, BBFS. I take Prep 20 days before I go and Doxiciclina a day or 2 before I go back home to my girl. I probably messaged 75 girls. 70% said yes, and 30% said no. I pay between 200 mil to 300 mil. 2 girls a day in 6 days, sometimes 3 a day.

Conversation usually goes like this:

Hola bebe.

Hola, como estas.

Estoy genial.

I will be in Bogota and I would love to see you if we can come to agreement.

Yes, that would be great, what type of arrangement you think.

200 mil, sin condom, and I have vasectomy, etc.

Why sin condom?

Hard to leche with condom and erection goes down.

Okay, I understand, can you do 250 mil.

Sure I can.

This is me, I know its not for everyone, but if I'm going to pay, its going to be on my terms.

Also, building chemistry is great, if that's what you are into, it does make the sex better, but I try to bypass all the wine and dine and it has worked. We do converse once they get to my Airbnb.

Also. For the people saying why don't you just get a Prepagos or Milterios if you are not going to spend money on them. Surprisingly, I get more No's from the Prepagos for what I'm asking for. Except my regular, who I see every time I come to Bogota.

This has been my experience. I may go to Sante fe for the cheap cheap, but I prefer this.

Here are some pics.

If you want numbers or names, inbox me.[/QUOTE]I'd love to use Seeking Arrangements but I refuse to pay $100. Tinder has not worked well for me. Surprisingly Bumble has but most of the women are 30 years old +.

I would be interested in knowing if any of you guys have met a SA morena, age 23-24 named Paula? Considering a SB scenario and curious about her mileage. Feel free to PM.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2495996]I'd love to use Seeking Arrangements but I refuse to pay $100. Tinder has not worked well for me. Surprisingly Bumble has but most of the women are 30 years old +.[/QUOTE]In Bogota-- a lot of guys I know have had good results with Tinder. Me, I'm too lazy for Tinder.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2495850]Sooooo, I bypass the Wine and Dine part of seeking arrangement. I message them and I tell them I only want casual sex, BBFS. I probably messaged 75 girls. 70% said yes, and 30% said no. I pay between 200 mil to 300 mil. 2 girls a day in 6 days, sometimes 3 a day.
[/QUOTE]LOL. Smart man. No idea why some other cats waste their time and money on that site trying to butter up chicks that are evidently hookers. Gets to be an expensive fantasy imagining chicks are not hookers when they obviously are. I wonder what your stats would be if you did not require BB. 99.99% I presume.

Anyone know of a nice spa where you can sit and relax in a FKK type environement?

ALso what about a manicure / pedicure place? I had some great experiences (non sexual) in Thailand going to those places. Four women working on your hands and feet at once. I always like the scene in Rush Hour when Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan went to a spa LOL.

Funny you say that, definitely would have been 99.9% if I didn't have special requirements, LOL. But that damn condom Fucks me up mentally, I can't cum and erection goes down. I'm guessing because I'm with someone and we don't use one.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496052]LOL. Smart man. No idea why some other cats waste their time and money on that site trying to butter up chicks that are evidently hookers. Gets to be an expensive fantasy imagining chicks are not hookers when they obviously are. I wonder what your stats would be if you did not require BB. 99.99% I presume.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gazely;2496032]I would be interested in knowing if any of you guys have met a SA morena, age 23-24 named Paula? Considering a SB scenario and curious about her mileage. Feel free to PM.[/QUOTE]I'm certain she's a virgin who will be 100% faithful to you while you are sending her money from another country. You have nothing to worry about.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496079]Anyone know of a nice spa where you can sit and relax in a FKK type environement?

ALso what about a manicure / pedicure place? I had some great experiences (non sexual) in Thailand going to those places. Four women working on your hands and feet at once. I always like the scene in Rush Hour when Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan went to a spa LOL.[/QUOTE]Have you considered Germany? I understand they have places which are similar to FKK clubs.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2488185]Glad, most of you guys share my opinion. It's only common sense.

I like this video. It's honest and no hype. Why You Won't Beat Multiple Opponents Martial Arts Explored.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDRR3jpNK_w[/URL][/QUOTE]My RL experience calls bullshit on this. Aikido has saved my life 3 times on the street.

[QUOTE=Carlotx;2495064]I went to a few clubs yesterday. Fiebre, and one next door to paisa. Also went to la 49 (closed) and pussy house (it looked closed but someone popped out and stopped us as we where leaving). There line up is miles away from lidos. Miles. No taxi knew about Olimpos.[/QUOTE]Confirming Fiebre and a couple other small joints in SF are open. PH is also open but there's a plastic screen over the runway and they're selling empanadas now. There is still FS according to the wait staff, but you have to go outside and back in another door now.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496079]Anyone know of a nice spa where you can sit and relax in a FKK type environement?

ALso what about a manicure / pedicure place? I had some great experiences (non sexual) in Thailand going to those places. Four women working on your hands and feet at once. I always like the scene in Rush Hour when Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan went to a spa LOL.[/QUOTE]Every neighborhood in the whole country has at least a couple. Literally type "spa" into Google Maps.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2494953]Not looking for beef, and I just want to provide some firsthand info. I've been using Schwab internationally (including Colombia) for over a decade now. They always reimburse my ATM fees at the end of the month.

Schwab also gave me money when I was stranded abroad. Not a loan. Nothing needed to be paid back. They simply helped out a longtime customer and gave me a sizable amount of cash.[/QUOTE]Yeah they are a class act. Best financial institution ever in history! Had a similar situation with them, they just gave me money, although in my case it was only $15.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]
1. From what I understand Uber no longer works in Bogota. So does that mean I need to use the Easy Taxi or Cabify apps that have been discussed? Do these apps work like Uber? I like taking a taxi most of the time as I find it inexpensive. [/QUOTE]Uber works fine, I use it almost every day. Your options here in Bogota are Uber, Beat, Picap (they come on a motorbike! Cabify (EZ Taxi has been absorbed by them), InDriver (you negotiate with the driver) and DiDi (I never use because they are connected to the CCP). I have Uber Beat and Picap on my phone.

I personally don't recommend yellow taxis at all. The 50% best drivers of taxis are now working on the other apps. The ones that are left are all the problem children.

I personally don't take taxis even to or from the airport, despite the hassle. Be advised that you will probably have to meet Uber in the parking lot coming from, if you have lots of luggage, it can be a pain.

Also, for fastest service, set your Uber payment options to cash when in Colombia. Colombians don't like to deal electronically.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]

3. I have always been fascinated by the Choco region. It is supposedly the most impovereished part of Colombia and the majority of people there are black. In this vein are their any black girls working the streets in Santa Fe? I'd love to find one from Choco.

[/QUOTE]Should be no problem, saw lots of girls from Pacific coast recently, Chocó, Valle, Nariño etc. Especially on the carreras between cll 22-23.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780].

6. Where can I get the small bills necessary to pay exact?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Keep paying with big bills and INSISTING you don't have change. Make them run around for it. Keep hiding your small change until you have a stack of it. If they see it they will make you use it to pay. This is war here, you understand? LOL.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]7. I've got a thing for preggos or lactating girls. Are they to be found among the Santa Fe SW's? One board member in Medellin connected me with a girl there and although I won't being her down she keeps sending me videos of her pumping glasses full of milk in an effort to get me to bring her to Bogota. I'll post some pics and videos she sent.
Showdown.[/QUOTE]This used to be a lot easier, and I went through a whole phase of this. Helps if your Spanish is good. Go to SF and ask. Venezuelan chiccs actually get MEMED here in Colombia for always bring preg, no joke.

The other option is to poke around on mileroticos, photoprepagos, and skokka. You have to know how to sift thru the fake adds though.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]8. If I want to leave Santa Fe at night where is the best place to use the taxi apps to get a taxi? Everything I read says Uber and others will not come to Santa Fe.
Showdown.[/QUOTE]Absolutely false. I got picked up there just a few days ago.

ESPECIALLY avoid yellow taxis leaving SF. They almost always try to invent a nonexistent surcharge.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2494780]
9. How are you guys cleaning yourselves up between girls? Many reports say the rooms have no running water. Are you using baby wipes?

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Some rooms have showers, depending on the residencia in question. But any monger worth his salt always carries wipes anyways.

Strolled through the whole top half of SF a few days ago while I was downtown after doing some errands.

Had a tasty Venezuelan style shawerma at a place on Cra 14 a between 23 and 24. Great sauces. The whole neighborhood now is 99% Ven.

The whole place has a weird vibe because so many of the clubs are closed. It's much more chaotic and there were way too many obviously under 18 girls for my liking. Some blocks looked like the damn movie set of "Cuties". Caveat emptor. Honestly I personally wouldn't recommend for many reasons, but if you decide to go for it, try and get some ID first (good luck with that!) or better yet, wait till the clubs are back in full swing. Be careful and stay frosty out there.

Popped into Fiebre. They didn't have the plastic screen on the stage like PH did but there was literally only one fully clothed frumpy bored looking girl there so I left immediately.

I'm pretty much in hiatus right now because I've got a very very horny and sexy GF, so didn't sample anything, also there are the reasons mentioned above. YMMV.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2496185]Uber works fine, I use it almost every day.[/QUOTE]I used Uber coming from the airport tonight. He was actually in the far driveway from the door and not in the parking lot. They have a bunch of doors blocked off at the airport. People coming to meet you can not come inside and you can only exit out of door 3 I think it is. Old girl that came to meet me arrived early and had to wait outside.

Back to Uber. There was an Uber Ya for like 25,000 going downtown, then there was an Uber Flash for 14,000. I chose Uber Flash. The driver picked me up and he was like Flash is to deliver packages and shit; a courier service. He told me to change it in the app but I did not see how to do it. When we arrived at the hotel the app charged me 7,000 and I gave him 20,000 in cash.

But it was funny on the way because I had told this chick 1000 times that I would stay downtown. So in the car she asked again. WTF. Then talking to the driver she asked if it was where there are a bunch of naked ladies in the street. The driver said no. That is a little ways from where he is staying. I tried to sound shocked and said NAKED LADIES IN THE STREET? I want to go there! Knowing good and well they are talking about Santa Fe and that my hotel is only 2 blocks from there. In the room I kept looking out the window at the transmilenio and saying where are those naked ladies you promised me? I do not see them.

She kept saying she was hungry. So we fucked first then headed out to eat. She was scared to come and said lets just order a pizza. I said bring your ass on. She kept stopping at intervals saying she was going back to the hotel. I just kept walking and let her catch up later. Dealing with this damn nonsense.

I passed by my barbershop but they were closing up. It was 9:30 pm. I asked the barber if they would be open tomorrow and he said 9 am. We kept walking and there were plenty of people out but there was nothing open on Calle 19. Got to Carrera 6 and took a left and there were a couple of places open. We went to Rosh Irish Bar (receipt says Arcangel Cofee And Drinks but window said Rosh) and had some drinks. She got chicken nuggets and I got bbq wings. The total was 97,000 for the food, 4 drinks and tip.

Old girl was drunk and would not stop talking. Walking back to the hotel she was not nearly scared as she was on the way. I noticed one of my favorite restaurants Sabor del Pacifico is no longer on Calle 20. Where the hell am I going to get my fish now? This makes me want to cry. She is passed out sleep now.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2496202]Strolled through the whole top half of SF a few days ago while I was downtown after doing some errands.

Had a tasty Venezuelan style shawerma at a place on Cra 14 a between 23 and 24. Great sauces. The whole neighborhood now is 99% Ven.

The whole place has a weird vibe because so many of the clubs are closed. It's much more chaotic and there were way too many obviously under 18 girls for my liking. Some blocks looked like the damn movie set of "Cuties". Caveat emptor. Honestly I personally wouldn't recommend for many reasons, but if you decide to go for it, try and get some ID first (good luck with that!) or better yet, wait till the clubs are back in full swing. Be careful and stay frosty out there.

Popped into Fiebre. They didn't have the plastic screen on the stage like PH did but there was literally only one fully clothed frumpy bored looking girl there so I left immediately.

I'm pretty much in hiatus right now because I've got a very very horny and sexy GF, so didn't sample anything, also there are the reasons mentioned above. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Outside of some ladies being forced / pimped this underage thing is the worst part about mongering. Why in the hell are the police allowing this? They seem to be keen to everything else but they see an underage girl selling her wares and they do nothing. Damn shame.

And any Americans on the board need to know this-it is now a federal CRIME to go to another country and have relations with underage children. [URL]https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children[/URL].

Showdown.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2496195]Some rooms have showers, depending on the residencia in question. But any monger worth his salt always carries wipes anyways.[/QUOTE]I picked up some of these unscented baby wipes. [URL]https://www.amazon.com/Huggies-Bundle-Natural-Unscented-Travel/dp/B00SC6KYLO[/URL].

Still nothing beats soap and water.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2496193]This used to be a lot easier, and I went through a whole phase of this. Helps if your Spanish is good. Go to SF and ask. Venezuelan chiccs actually get MEMED here in Colombia for always bring preg, no joke.

The other option is to poke around on mileroticos, photoprepagos, and skokka. You have to know how to sift thru the fake adds though.[/QUOTE]What is the link to Skokka?

And from what I have been told by a few board members their are preggos in Santa Fe. We shall see.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2495850]Sooooo, I bypass the Wine and Dine part of seeking arrangement. I message them and I tell them I only want casual sex, BBFS. I take Prep 20 days before I go and Doxiciclina a day or 2 before I go back home to my girl. I probably messaged 75 girls. 70% said yes, and 30% said no. I pay between 200 mil to 300 mil. 2 girls a day in 6 days, sometimes 3 a day.

Conversation usually goes like this:

Hola bebe.

Hola, como estas.

Estoy genial.

I will be in Bogota and I would love to see you if we can come to agreement.

Yes, that would be great, what type of arrangement you think.

200 mil, sin condom, and I have vasectomy, etc..[/QUOTE]You get BBBJ from the girl or you get intercourse with them without condom too?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2495812]I should be there December 6. Maybe a week sooner. BIG problem, I have too many SA girls blowing up my phone. Tying to figure out how to interview as many as possible. (thinking of finding some way to feed them all at a restaurant or? To cover their visit / time, LOL) Already going to stay 3 weeks instead of one. And 2 cities, adding Medellin! Seems complicated with the tracking app. In 5 weeks everything could be a lot different. Woodman? Going to need ya.[/QUOTE]How much does the girls quote you and for how long?

Age of Consent vs Age of Majority

[blue]=============================================

Greetings Gentlemen,

The Age of Consent is the age in which girls can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with their teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory rape.

However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the [u]Age of Majority[/u], which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

Please exercise caution and govern yourself accordingly.

Thanks,

Admin[/blue]

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496306]I have always enjoyed your wisdom and knowledge on many issues.

But sorry Mr E. This is your opinion and your opinion alone.

Regardless of the circumstances a grown man engaging in relations with an underage girl is wrong. Whether she has to eat or not you are doing something that is morally and legally wrong. Period. You can split hairs all day long with the grey areas of definitions of a minor all you want but just because you CAN have relations with an underage girl and you can find lots of them in your state is irregardless as far as I am concerned. It's wrong.[/QUOTE]LOL. But my entire point was that what law holds in one place is not necessarily the same in another place. If you are bent out of shape over Place A having a different law than Place B, then you would need to get the citizens of Place B to take that up with their government. I don't see how you can judge someone for following the law.

I believe the speed limit should always be 55 mph. I am not going to preach how the places that have a speed limit that is 65 mph are wrong regardless. The citizens of that place decide what is best for where they live by electing representation that will put certain laws in place. Don't get mad at the person driving the car because he is following the laws that are in place. A courtroom is no place for emotions; a courtroom is to decide if something outside of the law was done. If you are working within the confines of the law then nobody should have shit to say. People are expected to follow what the laws are, not what some people think the laws should be.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496319]LOL. But my entire point was that what law holds in one place is not necessarily the same in another place. If you are bent out of shape over Place A having a different law than Place B, then you would need to get the citizens of Place B to take that up with their government. I don't see how you can judge someone for following the law.

I believe the speed limit should always be 55 mph. I am not going to preach how the places that have a speed limit that is 65 mph are wrong regardless. The citizens of that place decide what is best for where they live by electing representation that will put certain laws in place. Don't get mad at the person driving the car because he is following the laws that are in place. A courtroom is no place for emotions; a courtroom is to decide if something outside of the law was done. If you are working within the confines of the law then nobody should have shit to say. People are expected to follow what the laws are, not what some people think the laws should be.[/QUOTE]What the hell is so funny? Funny how you decided to highlight one paragraph of my entire post and you omitted the section about how my relative was selling herself.

And HUMAN BEINGS are not cars. You may be king of the monger world on this board but I am the legal expert here. So let me school you about your incorrect statement that "a courtroom is no place for emotions".

Emotions are intertwined with any human enterprise, particularly decision-making. Despite a juror's honest attempt to not be swayed by emotion, some cases can be emotionally draining or attorneys rightfully elicit emotional reactions from jury members. As such, when selecting a jury, it is important to consider individual differences in how one manages and uses one's emotions when making decisions.

I need to close on this subject with you Mr. E. I don't find it funny and its a sensitive to me and millions of other men and women who've had very young women in their families affected by this.

So I'll just stick to discussions about women 18 years and older in this hobby.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496326]What the hell is so funny? Funny how you decided to highlight one paragraph of my entire post and you omitted the section about how my relative was selling herself.[/QUOTE]It was funny because you are missing the issue. I omitted because that was not a part of your statement that I was commenting on. I was commenting that if someone is doing something legal then I have no problem with it, while you said we should go on feelings and not law.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496326]I need to close on this subject with you Mr. E. I don't find it funny and its a sensitive to me and millions of other men and women who've had very young women in their families affected by this.[/QUOTE]People are always going to be sensitive about something. There are millions of people sensitive about you coming to Colombia to monger and exploit people in need. I take it you will change your trip plans because of that. Prostitution is legal here, but you need to take those people who are sensitive on the issue feelings into account, especially when it is not legal in your country.

You are coming here to do something that is not legal in your country, but let your feelings take over and condemn when other people are doing something that is actually legal where they live. That is outside of the realm of my understanding.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496052]LOL. Smart man. No idea why some other cats waste their time and money on that site trying to butter up chicks that are evidently hookers. Gets to be an expensive fantasy imagining chicks are not hookers when they obviously are. I wonder what your stats would be if you did not require BB. 99.99% I presume.[/QUOTE]This is like the 3rd time you have been complaining about [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. DonCarlos said 30% of the women turn him down. That sounds pretty close to what I have seen.

Whenever a woman mentions an arrangement, code name for a fee and a strictly P4 P situation, I head for the hills unless she is really hot. Then I may do an escort thing. I pay about the same as Don Carlos does for the escort thing.

As for 99.99% being hookers, that depends on your definition, a woman who fucks all guys, you can forget about it. A woman willing to fuck a guy or two and not feel like a ****, that is almost all of them.

You are a $10 to $20 kind of guy only interested in what is between a woman's legs. When I get a woman on seeking, I am not looking for an ordinary girl. I get well educated or well to do. I get beauty queens, models, professionals.

This is the tag line of the woman I called my super model: Miss Teen Venezuela World Star Model.

Miss Venezuela Caribbean international.

Modelo en la fashion week cartagena Colombia.

Actriz principal obra de teatro "PLAN be" - Venezuela.

Modelo e imagen de diversas marcas Rolex-World Golf Championships (Mexico), Nike (Chile), FOREVER21 (panama), Chilevision (Chile), CMB (consejo mundial de boxeo), Porshe (Panama), F1 (Gran premio de mexico 2017) entre muchas otras.

So you can say that is all bullshit, and I could care less. She is smoking hot and great in the sack.

This is the girl on the boat that you said that you did not want so quit complaining about guys that do want a woman like this. We are not a threat to what you want.

As for why, I keep telling you this but you do not get it. I am interested in going on multi day vacations with these women, and I pay them nothing but expenses. With an American woman, I am looking at thousands. Sure you can go to Cancun or Santa Marta or San Andreas and find something but you are not going to find a woman like this.

And as I keep saying, I often pay nothing. I met a law student from Villavencio I flew to Bogota. I gave her $200 and she tried to give me the money back.

The best woman I had in Medellin would be insulted if I paid her like a hooker.

I am looking for long term relationships on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] not a quick fuck although I do sometimes like and get that. This is not what you are after and I get that, but I do not think you get us. You are fishing in a different pond.

Don't remember where I met this chick but her number was in my phone. Last week she had told me that she lived with 3 other chicks. But later asks me to borrow $200 because the landlord is coming to collect at 3 pm. I told her okay but I stopped answering her messages after that. A miracle must have happened because when I talked to her today she did not say anything about getting put out.

She did though ask to come see me. Price 250K for 1 hour or 300K for all night. When I didn't answer she said I understand you do not like me. I said I don't like 250K. She said okay well 200K but you pay my Uber. Uber is 6500 each way to her house. I definitely will not be paying a chick 200K for 1 hour, but was comtemplating talking her down on the all night deal. For now I am about to take the 2 blocks walk to Santa Fe.

Just had a good ass time down in Santa Fe. I took 200K and fucked around and ran out of money and had to come back to the room. Barely had 3K left to get me a piece of chicken on my way out of there. There were so many bad chicks that I almost had a wreck, and I was on foot. I don't know if there are any Colombians left. All I see is wall to wall Venezuelans. Chicks wanted 36K to 40K. None of the clubs were open and my favorite Santa Fe restaurant was also not open.

This was some of the best weather that I have seen in Bogota. I left out with a jacket on, but eventually had to take it off and put it in my bag. While I was fucking one chick I heard some noise. I looked outside and it was damn raining. This is the first time I didn't bring my umbrella down there because it was sunny skies. Sorry to bring this issue into the thread, but I witnessed something I have never seen in Bogota. Many guys had on shorts! 98% of the people were wearing masks as well.

I had passed a barber earlier and he said man you need to come let me cut you up. He said only 10K. I told him that I would be back later. Side tracked with all the chicks and it took me a while to get back. When I finished with the chick while it was raining was the perfect time. I ran over there with my jacket covering my head. I was passed out in the chair. Dude cut my hair so good that if I had another 10K in my pocket I would have circled the block and come back and let him cut it again. His name is Enrique and the shop is caddy corner to Santa Fe Suite. It is directly next door to Tenedores PPP. It does not have a name. He is the 2nd chair from the door.

Getting some money from the room and took a quick shower, now I am about to head back down to get my nails done and get some more pussy. I may be dried out by the time I get to Barranquilla tomorrow.

She is lovely sexy pretty. You must go with her. Love her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496371]Don't remember where I met this chick but her number was in my phone. Last week she had told me that she lived with 3 other chicks. But later asks me to borrow $200 because the landlord is coming to collect at 3 pm. I told her okay but I stopped answering her messages after that. A miracle must have happened because when I talked to her today she did not say anything about getting put out.

She did though ask to come see me. Price 250K for 1 hour or 300K for all night. When I didn't answer she said I understand you do not like me. I said I don't like 250K. She said okay well 200K but you pay my Uber. Uber is 6500 each way to her house. I definitely will not be paying a chick 200K for 1 hour, but was comtemplating talking her down on the all night deal. For now I am about to take the 2 blocks walk to Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2496346]This is like the 3rd time you have been complaining about [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. DonCarlos said 30% of the women turn him down. That sounds pretty close to what I have seen.[/QUOTE]I never complained about SA. All I did was say all the chicks on there are hookers. And he confirmed it. Maybe you did not finish reading. Upfront he offered 100% of the women money for bareback. The 30% that turned him down was because they did not want to do bareback, not because they were not accepting money for sex as you are asserting. Had he not demanded bareback that 30% would have instantly been on his train like the other 70%. The girls on there know how to play the game. They can take it slow for someone that believes he is getting something special. And they can spread legs at the drop of a hat for someone like DC that knows how to cut to the chase.

[QUOTE=Rambo95;2496486]She is lovely sexy pretty. You must go with her. Love her.[/QUOTE]Why go with her for 200k when he's probably finding just as good for 50k?

How strict are masks in Bogota? Do you have to wear them anywhere in public (like walking down the street)? Also, is it pretty safe to stay near la zona in Santa Fe? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2496346]This is like the 3rd time you have been complaining about [URL]seeking.com[/URL]. DonCarlos said 30% of the women turn him down. That sounds pretty close to what I have seen.

Whenever a woman mentions an arrangement, code name for a fee and a strictly P4 P situation, I head for the hills unless she is really hot. Then I may do an escort thing. I pay about the same as Don Carlos does for the escort thing.

As for 99.99% being hookers, that depends on your definition, a woman who fucks all guys, you can forget about it. A woman willing to fuck a guy or two and not feel like a ****, that is almost all of them.

You are a $10 to $20 kind of guy only interested in what is between a woman's legs. When I get a woman on seeking, I am not looking for an ordinary girl. I get well educated or well to do. I get beauty queens, models, professionals.

This is the tag line of the woman I called my super model: Miss Teen Venezuela World Star Model.

Miss Venezuela Caribbean international.

Modelo en la fashion week cartagena Colombia.

Actriz principal obra de teatro "PLAN be" - Venezuela.

Modelo e imagen de diversas marcas Rolex-World Golf Championships (Mexico), Nike (Chile), FOREVER21 (panama), Chilevision (Chile), CMB (consejo mundial de boxeo), Porshe (Panama), F1 (Gran premio de mexico 2017) entre muchas otras.

So you can say that is all bullshit, and I could care less. She is smoking hot and great in the sack.

This is the girl on the boat that you said that you did not want so quit complaining about guys that do want a woman like this. We are not a threat to what you want.

As for why, I keep telling you this but you do not get it. I am interested in going on multi day vacations with these women, and I pay them nothing but expenses. With an American woman, I am looking at thousands. Sure you can go to Cancun or Santa Marta or San Andreas and find something but you are not going to find a woman like this.

And as I keep saying, I often pay nothing. I met a law student from Villavencio I flew to Bogota. I gave her $200 and she tried to give me the money back.

The best woman I had in Medellin would be insulted if I paid her like a hooker.

I am looking for long term relationships on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] not a quick fuck although I do sometimes like and get that. This is not what you are after and I get that, but I do not think you get us. You are fishing in a different pond.[/QUOTE]You're looking for long term relationships on seeking which is a site for sugar daddies?

And you don't pay nothing but expenses?? You don't think they're in it for the long run for strictly financial purposes??

I have been on seeking and I've met a couple girls where I actually didn't pay for sex but I'm not naive enough to believe that they aren't in it for financial purposes.

You're asking to get taken for a long con or just a string of heartbreaks.

I'm just being honest with you.

I tell you this because it seems like money doesn't matter for you or you seem to have the more expensive taste.

I am the same way and I will pay whatever it takes for my comfort and enjoy myself.

I can relate to what you're saying and while your chances are better in Bogotá of finding this. It's still rare.

ALL girls are on seeking for financial purposes. Whether it be a hooker or wanting to date a rich guy it's all about the $$. To think otherwise is extremely naive.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2496523]How strict are masks in Bogota? Do you have to wear them anywhere in public (like walking down the street)? Also, is it pretty safe to stay near la zona in Santa Fe? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Mask are mandatory everywhere. The area around Santa Fe is the ugliest part of the city, weird people in the street and yes crime is high of course in Centro. If it is your first trip to Bogota, I would advice to stay in a more confortable place of the city and go to Santa Fe by taxi. Once you know Santa Fe, it is up to you if it is acceptable for you to stay in the neighborhood.

I just spent an hour and a half trying to up load my covid test from my Dr on the Migration app. It's fucking imposibleeee Fuck them, I'm done ! Not worth the aggravation to travel to Colombia until they get back to normal. Cancel the hotel, cancel the flight I'll bring her back to the states.

[QUOTE=Routard;2496597]Mask are mandatory everywhere. The area around Santa Fe is the ugliest part of the city, weird people in the street and yes crime is high of course in Centro. If it is your first trip to Bogota, I would advice to stay in a more confortable place of the city and go to Santa Fe by taxi. Once you know Santa Fe, it is up to you if it is acceptable for you to stay in the neighborhood.[/QUOTE]That is excellent advice.

Some guys are immediately comfortable with areas like Santa Fe or El Centro in Medellin. Others take awhile before they can walk the areas comfortably. Some never can get over their fear.

I've talked with several guys, on their first trip to Colombia, who were talked into staying close to the red light district by veterans. Each of them were unhappy with their choice. They didn't even feel safe enough to venture out for meals. Everyone has their own opinion on how safe, or dangerous, Santa Fe (or Medellin, El Centro) is, but that doesn't help someone having a panic attack in a cheap hotel room.

Book a hotel for 2 or 3 nights in a better area, around Parque 93, Chapinero or maybe around Calle 109 (is that Santa Barbara? And take a taxi to Santa Fe. If after spending some time around Santa Fe, you feel comfortable and want to stay, check out some local hotels and find one you like. I've found you can often get a cheaper rate dealing directly with the hotel than you can find on the booking sites. Otherwise, extend your stay at your original hotel.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2496647]I just spent an hour and a half trying to up load my covid test from my Dr on the Migration app. It's fucking imposibleeee Fuck them, I'm done ! Not worth the aggravation to travel to Colombia until they get back to normal. Cancel the hotel, cancel the flight I'll bring her back to the states.[/QUOTE]LOL. You must be doing something wrong. The one I made for myself is in pdf format and I had no problem with the app. It was quick and smooth. I did it when I was in the Uber on the way to the airport. And the best part is there is no paperwork to do after that. You just show the ladies your test and they highlight PCR then you show it to the immigration agent along with your passport.

With that attitude it seems you will never come to Colombia again. Things have changed drastically. Before you can even walk into the airport you have to have that covid app filled out. You scan it and show it to the girl with your passport. Then you go to another lady for your sanitizer. You can no longer bring suitcases in the cabin on domestic flights. If it does not fit under your seat then you have to check it in at the check in counter. When I was going through security a minute ago I grabbed one of those things to put my stuff in. That lady about cussed my ass out and made me put it back. She has to put it under the UV light first.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2496523]How strict are masks in Bogota? Do you have to wear them anywhere in public (like walking down the street)? Also, is it pretty safe to stay near la zona in Santa Fe? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Stay at the Ibis Museo, Hotel San Francisco or Teqendama Suites-- 10 minute walk to Santa Fe-- Not real dangerous if you are a man with street wisdom.

Everyone wears masks-- I wear mine on my chin mostly-.

The cops will shake down a gringo without a mask-- like those guys I was hanging out with a few weeks ago.

Well, moreso Saturday. At 1235 am, I've been reading the forum for a few weeks now, jumped on Tinder and have a few to meet. I'm a 40 something's, mixed guy, in pretty decent shape with, elementary level Spanish.

So I'm thinking of staying in Santa Fe, like somewhere where I can walk a block, grab one or two and bring them back to the room. Is that recommended? Oh, I have also been to Cartagena and Medellin, as well as other known mongering spots. And I'm from DC. Not scared to walk Santa Fe alone. Either case, I will probably try to stay at Hotel Europa, or Santa Fe Suites. Then get an airbnb in Chapinero or somewhere.

Any recommendations will certainly help. The hotels that I messaged all said they charge 140k per guest or so not allow them.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]You're looking for long term relationships on seeking which is a site for sugar daddies?

And you don't pay nothing but expenses?? You don't think they're in it for the long run for strictly financial purposes??

I can relate to what you're saying and while your chances are better in Bogot of finding this. It's still rare.

ALL girls are on seeking for financial purposes. Whether it be a hooker or wanting to date a rich guy it's all about the $$. To think otherwise is extremely naive.[/QUOTE]This does not mean I won't also hang out in clubs, go to Santa Fe, Clock Tower, El Centro, strip clubs or look at the escort sites, FB. NADA! Women are a horrible addiction. Got to love them. It's not for everyone.

You will find it difficult to meet the type of girls who you can find on SA. Anywhere. A few are there for "mutual benefits" "no strings attached" and can be tempted for $100. Most want more (more than $$ a good time etc.) and it doesn't mean they feel they are "entitled" it means if YOU want to find one that you can only have sex with. You are wasting their time. (Yours also).

A Foreign Affair has organized tours, SOCIALS they say "With only 10 to 15 men on average, you will have more than a 7:1 ratio, and that is just the first night. Many of our clients will date two or three women a day and some will even date five a day. " It costs around $2,500 USD + .not including memberships and doesn't guarantee any phone numbers. Some of the women are models, a lot are real. Most are too old for me. The business model is for guys to find a wife. It works but it's expensive and very time consuming. It can also backfire. You might get laid (testing the merchandise). If there was a guarantee in life, LOL I would still be married to my model / x wife.

Another option for meeting beautiful young girls is going to the nightclubs and "gaming" them. The girls I would like are going to be surrounded by guys and difficult to talk to. (noise, friends, etc.) but it is possible, I have friends that travel the world teaching guys how to pick up these girls. They charge thousands. Also you will know nothing about the person till you "open" a conversation. It's mostly about getting laid often. The gaming world works but there are so many guys doing it, IMHO it will get old and backfire, making it more difficult.

SA in other countries is a lot different than Colombia, especially Bogota. Everywhere else it seems it's more about sugar daddy relationships, guys always paying (way too much) for limited relationships, "allowances" (stupid) & possibly sex. In Bogota (for example) , and other cities in Colombia girls are using SA for a lot more than just a SD. There are plenty of gold diggers but the ratio is still WAY in our favor. I have met professional ballet dancers, actresses, IG models, MILF's, students and lots of "normal" girls. There's a high percentage of girls you can learn about, meet and enjoy whatever relationship is mutual on there. Kind of a mix of a dating site and P4 P deal. Their's a high percentage of 8-10's who are real people and extremely difficult to meet elsewhere. For a high end GFE date or weekend getaway it's perfect. I'm still friends with the girls I met a year ago.

Actually I've found too many girls so it now becomes the challenge for me. Do I want more than sex? Do I want to start dating a 10 by asking her to fuck? Probably would backfire, maybe not. LOL Decisions that most guys will never face. What to do in Colombia? Do I have 5 / 10 rotating girlfriends / sex partners? Visit Colombia often? Sounds good but these girls are much smarter than the P4 P / street girls. Not easy getting them to be OK with that. So I'm grateful to be able to anonymously post here. I am grateful for the 10's I met on seeking during my last trip to Bogota. It's a lot of work, pipelining and maintaining conversations with some of the most beautiful women on the planet. But try doing that anywhere else. Who knows Elvis may have the best advice. Words of Love. "Take her somewhere she's never been before" and enjoy the FUCK out of it. LOL.

I have 2 weeks planed in Bogota, 1 in Medellin and probably will go to Barranquilla. Maybe a second trip soon. I'll probably date, fuck or reject 50+ 8's, 9's and 10's. Not counting any freelancers. Prepaid's, strippers etc. Nowhere else on the planet (well at this cost) is that possible. I must be crazy.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496254]Outside of some ladies being forced / pimped this underage thing is the worst part about mongering. Why in the hell are the police allowing this? They seem to be keen to everything else but they see an underage girl selling her wares and they do nothing. Damn shame.

And any Americans on the board need to know this-it is now a federal CRIME to go to another country and have relations with underage children. [URL]https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children[/URL].

Showdown.[/QUOTE]Pre Covid Era. Club Texas, was shut down by the Police several times for having underage girls and also some without cedulas. It's the sister club to California in Santa Fe.

Police would sometimes ask random street girls cedulas, although it wasn't common. Also motels (other than working girl motels) in Santa Fe would ask for cedulas before admitting guests.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2496648]That is excellent advice.

Some guys are immediately comfortable with areas like Santa Fe or El Centro in Medellin. Others take awhile before they can walk the areas comfortably. Some never can get over their fear.

I've talked with several guys, on their first trip to Colombia, who were talked into staying close to the red light district by veterans. Each of them were unhappy with their choice. They didn't even feel safe enough to venture out for meals. Everyone has their own opinion on how safe, or dangerous, Santa Fe (or Medellin, El Centro) is, but that doesn't help someone having a panic attack in a cheap hotel room.

Book a hotel for 2 or 3 nights in a better area, around Parque 93, Chapinero or maybe around Calle 109 (is that Santa Barbara? And take a taxi to Santa Fe. If after spending some time around Santa Fe, you feel comfortable and want to stay, check out some local hotels and find one you like. I've found you can often get a cheaper rate dealing directly with the hotel than you can find on the booking sites. Otherwise, extend your stay at your original hotel.[/QUOTE]Hi Gents,

While I have been mongering for awhile this is my first post mostly because I will be venturing out of my comfort zone of Asia and heading for South America for the first time. I have been to Jamaica and Mexico and of course in the US but internationally 85-90% has been in Asia. I watched a lot of YouTube videos and researched many websites on the areas I would be visiting and I have never felt unsafe or unsure of a decision to travel to a particular region or city. And then once I arrived I felt like I was familiar with area because of all the research. However, I don't get a real feeling of confidence of safety for an American in Bogota, at least not 100%. I am still wanting to travel there but I want to ask a couple of questions to the group.

The videos I have watched on YouTube about Santa Fe are during the day and night. It seems very normal to me and there doesn't seem to be anything to be afraid of but all of the videos seem to be from someone riding a bicycle instead of walking. Is walking not recommended. The US Embassy website lists Columbia as a level 4 -do not travel area because of crime, terrorism and kidnapping. Is that something you truly need to worry about in the city? Is safe to walk at night? Is it safe to be out at night? I prefer walking to get some exercise but I will use a cab if necessary.

I know that from reading through the last 3 months of posts that you guys are very comfortable being in Bogota and do not seem to be too worried about crime. I guess basically that as long as I don't do anything stupid and pay attention to my surroundings I should be able to survive without any incidence.

And then I really don't speak Spanish so how will that affect me with the local community?

Also, Woodman, I don't know if you will be reading this but I saw in previous post that you offer a tour. I don't know if this is an inside joke or something but if it is true I would be interested in talking to you about it.

Thanks guys. If anyone would like some info on Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Japan or Korea just give me a shout and I will be happy to help any way I can.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2496647]I just spent an hour and a half trying to up load my covid test from my Dr on the Migration app. It's fucking imposibleeee Fuck them, I'm done ! Not worth the aggravation to travel to Colombia until they get back to normal. Cancel the hotel, cancel the flight I'll bring her back to the states.[/QUOTE]Can someone list out the link to the app?

And so I am clear to enter Colombia you need to.

1. Have a COVID-19 test that says PCR was the test given.

2. Fill out the information on [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

3. Download the app on your phone and fill it out (I Have not done this yet).

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496752]Can someone list out the link to the app?

And so I am clear to enter Colombia you need to.

1. Have a COVID-19 test that says PCR was the test given.

2. Fill out the information on [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

3. Download the app on your phone and fill it out (I Have not done this yet).

Showdown.[/QUOTE]The app is CoronApp. Search for it where you get apps. But like I said before you need a local number to activate it. Not sure what the process is without. You do not need it to enter the country. You only need it when entering the airport from the city.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496759]The app is CoronApp. Search for it where you get apps. But like I said before you need a local number to activate it. Not sure what the process is without. You do not need it to enter the country. You only need it when entering the airport from the city.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr E, how do you have number before landing? Do they allow you to go get sim first? Any and all information would be great, thanks.

I'm heading for the first time to santa fe this week as well. I have experiences mongering in south america but not in Bogota so this will be fun. Will do a write up of my experiences when I get back. For now I can say I will try and stay close to santa fe with the motels around. I took note of some of the ones mentioned here but do you guys recommend other cheap motels that one can stay nearby (I'm just mostly looking for a motel to crash because ill mostly be outside) . I'm from another city in south america so I think I can blend in pretty well. If anyone here is there for first time and doesn't speak spanish maybe we can meet up somewhere and help each other out, I can speak spanish naturally and don't mind helping others out in this place as well as have some company for when heading out at night.

For the person asking if ok to be out at night, I would say be careful and stay near lit / crowded areas and if you can go with someone. Or at least know where you're headed to because it tends to get sketchy at night at a neighborhood like this. I say that because I've been to other south american cities similar to this and there's always a few a**holes around looking for their next target but just try and blend in as much as possible and only carry enough cash to hold you down those few hours at night. I feel safe but that's because I look like I can be from there and if someone talks to me I can pass off as a local. Ill be getting there on Thursday and thanks for all the info you guys post on here it helps to know when navigating and blending in these places as much as possible.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2496763]Hi Mr E, how do you have number before landing? Do they allow you to go get sim first? Any and all information would be great, thanks.[/QUOTE]When I was in the States and downlaoded the app I put in one of my girl's phone number. Then they text the code to that number and she sent me the code to put in the app. You do not need that app when you arrive. You only need it if you are outside of the airport and want to come inside for a flight. So if you are like me and had been in Bogota a couple of days and want to go to another city you would need to fill out how you feel in the app and show it when entering the airport.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496211]I used Uber coming from the airport tonight. He was actually in the far driveway from the door and not in the parking lot. They have a bunch of doors blocked off at the airport. People coming to meet you can not come inside and you can only exit out of door 3 I think it is. Old girl that came to meet me arrived early and had to wait outside.

Back to Uber. There was an Uber Ya for like 25,000 going downtown, then there was an Uber Flash for 14,000. I chose Uber Flash. The driver picked me up and he was like Flash is to deliver packages and shit; a courier service. He told me to change it in the app but I did not see how to do it. When we arrived at the hotel the app charged me 7,000 and I gave him 20,000 in cash.

[/QUOTE]You didn't see the package icon on Uber Flash? LOL.

For your fish, just keep walking west on Cll 20. On the other side of la 7 a there are 3-4 real good places!

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2496523]How strict are masks in Bogota? Do you have to wear them anywhere in public (like walking down the street)? Also, is it pretty safe to stay near la zona in Santa Fe? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Technically, the moment you leave your hotel room you should have it on.

Depending on the neighborhood, a lot of people leave their nostrils free or chin it, but technically you can get a hefty fine for that.

Honestly I don't imagine the police messing with a foreigner too much unless he's in a really fancy neighborhood and pissing lots of people off.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2496254]Outside of some ladies being forced / pimped this underage thing is the worst part about mongering. Why in the hell are the police allowing this? They seem to be keen to everything else but they see an underage girl selling her wares and they do nothing. Damn shame.

And any Americans on the board need to know this-it is now a federal CRIME to go to another country and have relations with underage children. [URL]https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children[/URL].

Showdown.[/QUOTE]In a word: bribes.

Personally I recommend incall over all other forms of mongering, and this is one of the reasons.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496759]The app is CoronApp. Search for it where you get apps. But like I said before you need a local number to activate it. Not sure what the process is without. You do not need it to enter the country. You only need it when entering the airport from the city.[/QUOTE]Here is the link (Android).

[URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.gov.ins.guardianes&hl=en_US&gl=US[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496789]You do not need that app when you arrive. You only need it if you are outside of the airport and want to come inside for a flight. So if you are like me and had been in Bogota a couple of days and want to go to another city you would need to fill out how you feel in the app and show it when entering the airport.[/QUOTE]So, without it you can enter the country, but then you can't leave to go back home? I don't own a cell phone, do they have physical forms at the airport?

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2496876]So, without it you can enter the country, but then you can't leave to go back home? I don't own a cell phone, do they have physical forms at the airport?[/QUOTE]Good question. There was a guy in front of me holding up the line. He was like 70 something years old. He did not have a cell phone in his hand but had a bunch of papers, looked to be just his flight info. That lady was trying to explain something to him. He was going nowhere slowly. There were no papers on that podium. Just behind the glass a scanner at the bottom and a cell phone at the top set up like it was going to take people's pictures. Eventually she took me while he was trying to figure out whatever. Better to invest in a wheel than try to roll a boulder up a mountain.

I reported wrong before. They do not scan the app, they just have to see it completed. Because when I walked up I held my phone up to the scanner and the lady said no just give it to me. Then she saw it was completed and said now go over there to get sanitizer on your hands.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2496654]LOL. You must be doing something wrong. The one I made for myself is in pdf format and I had no problem with the app. It was quick and smooth. I did it when I was in the Uber on the way to the airport. And the best part is there is no paperwork to do after that. You just show the ladies your test and they highlight PCR then you show it to the immigration agent along with your passport.

With that attitude it seems you will never come to Colombia again. Things have changed drastically. Before you can even walk into the airport you have to have that covid app filled out. You scan it and show it to the girl with your passport. Then you go to another lady for your sanitizer. You can no longer bring suitcases in the cabin on domestic flights. If it does not fit under your seat then you have to check it in at the check in counter. When I was going through security a minute ago I grabbed one of those things to put my stuff in. That lady about cussed my ass out and made me put it back. She has to put it under the UV light first.[/QUOTE]Half of Bogota is still closed, the restaurants' are totally closed or only open on a few days a week. When Filling of the genius app they devised how can they have 250 types of occupation listed, including a listing for a nuclear scientist but not a listing for Retired or sales! I put my occupation as oceanographer, fuck them! I have a paper copy of my swab test, I have one in my medical portal but that's not GOOD ENOUGH for these mental midgets. It's a hippa violation for my Medical office to send me an email so I couldn't load the form onto the the Genius-app So Mr. Enter. You are correct, I don't see me going back to Colombia for the foreseeable future. I've slowed down in the last 30 years of traveling and I don't need to try to fuck every girl in Colombia anymore jajaj I'm happy with my one special woman nowadays. I'll leave you young bucks to do the double and triple bookings LOL those were the days.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2496876]So, without it you can enter the country, but then you can't leave to go back home? I don't own a cell phone, do they have physical forms at the airport?[/QUOTE]You do not need the app filled out at all. When you are a foreigner in Colombia and do not have a Colombian phone number, you show your boarding pass and your passport. The Colombian tracking app is for Colombians only. I flew three times in Colombia between airports without using the app.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2496648]That is excellent advice.

Some guys are immediately comfortable with areas like Santa Fe or El Centro in Medellin. Others take awhile before they can walk the areas comfortably. Some never can get over their fear.

I've talked with several guys, on their first trip to Colombia, who were talked into staying close to the red light district by veterans. Each of them were unhappy with their choice. They didn't even feel safe enough to venture out for meals. Everyone has their own opinion on how safe, or dangerous, Santa Fe (or Medellin, El Centro) is, but that doesn't help someone having a panic attack in a cheap hotel room.

Book a hotel for 2 or 3 nights in a better area, around Parque 93, Chapinero or maybe around Calle 109 (is that Santa Barbara? And take a taxi to Santa Fe. If after spending some time around Santa Fe, you feel comfortable and want to stay, check out some local hotels and find one you like. I've found you can often get a cheaper rate dealing directly with the hotel than you can find on the booking sites. Otherwise, extend your stay at your original hotel.[/QUOTE]It took me 3 prior trips to Bogota before I set my first step on Santa Fe, and I was no novice in this game. I even hired a local guide to steer me around the area on that first Santa Fe expedition. Now I went there alone when in Bogota, but only walked around the 3-4 blocks where most of the popular clubs are with extreme caution.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2496916]You do not need the app filled out at all. When you are a foreigner in Colombia and do not have a Colombian phone number, you show your boarding pass and your passport. The Colombian tracking app is for Colombians only. I flew three times in Colombia between airports without using the app.[/QUOTE]Shit brother, I should have wrote you on Sunday before I drove all the way to Atlanta for my fucken Monday flight. I could have just ignored all that crazy shit.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2496992]Shit brother, I should have wrote you on Sunday before I drove all the way to Atlanta for my fucken Monday flight. I could have just ignored all that crazy shit.[/QUOTE]There are 2 different "apps" remember. There is the immigration website where you have to upload the test which is no app at all. This is actually your immigration paperwork as I stated before. They ask for that along with the PCR test at the check in counter on your way to Colombia.

Then there is the CoronApp which is an actual app. With that you state whether you have any covid symptoms or not.

Thanks for the clarity Mr. E and Elvis. Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2496722]This does not mean I won't also hang out in clubs, go to Santa Fe, Clock Tower, El Centro, strip clubs or look at the escort sites, FB. NADA! Women are a horrible addiction. Got to love them. It's not for everyone.

You will find it difficult to meet the type of girls who you can find on SA. Anywhere. A few are there for "mutual benefits" "no strings attached" and can be tempted for $100. Most want more (more than $$ a good time etc.) and it doesn't mean they feel they are "entitled" it means if YOU want to find one that you can only have sex with. You are wasting their time. (Yours also).

A Foreign Affair has organized tours, SOCIALS they say "With only 10 to 15 men on average, you will have more than a 7:1 ratio, and that is just the first night. Many of our clients will date two or three women a day and some will even date five a day. " It costs around $2,500 USD + .not including memberships and doesn't guarantee any phone numbers. Some of the women are models, a lot are real. Most are too old for me. The business model is for guys to find a wife. It works but it's expensive and very time consuming. It can also backfire. You might get laid (testing the merchandise). If there was a guarantee in life, LOL I would still be married to my model / x wife.

Another option for meeting beautiful young girls is going to the nightclubs and "gaming" them. The girls I would like are going to be surrounded by guys and difficult to talk to. (noise, friends, etc.) but it is possible, I have friends that travel the world teaching guys how to pick up these girls. They charge thousands. Also you will know nothing about the person till you "open" a conversation. It's mostly about getting laid often. The gaming world works but there are so many guys doing it, IMHO it will get old and backfire, making it more difficult...[/QUOTE]That sounds fantastic and I'm sure you'll have a great trip. However, parts aren't quite correct.

But first, send those guys spending thousands my way. I'll teach them for $999.

All those women who can only be found on SA can be found everywhere. You might have to work a bit harder, but they're much cheaper.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2496916]You do not need the app filled out at all. When you are a foreigner in Colombia and do not have a Colombian phone number, you show your boarding pass and your passport. The Colombian tracking app is for Colombians only. I flew three times in Colombia between airports without using the app.[/QUOTE]Thank you. So much confusing info and 1/2 detail info on here!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]You're looking for long term relationships on seeking which is a site for sugar daddies?[/QUOTE]Seeking was designed for long term relationships. It morphed into something that can be used for short term relationships where prostitution is tolerated.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]And you don't pay nothing but expenses??[/QUOTE]Not always. There will be hot hooker types who want to get paid like escorts, and I am fine with that. I have four or five in Bogota right now who I could text now and would see me just for P4 P.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]You don't think they're in it for the long run for strictly financial purposes??[/QUOTE]Of course, but that benefit does not have to come out of my pocket.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]I tell you this because it seems like money doesn't matter for you[/QUOTE]As for my helping out women during the pandemic, what do you think really happened? The same thing that always happens with the hobby. You hit some home runs and doubles and you have strike outs. Of course, when I am saying home runs, even that is downplaying it. About half the women I saw fucked me like their lives depended on it.

The interesting thing to me was how many guys were so desperate to say the home runs were doubles and talk non-stop about the strike outs. On the forum, the woman I named the Queen was called ordinary. On seeking, she was messaged so much that she changed her name to reflect what I had written about her. I really debated sharing about her because I knew she would become popular if I did. I was kind of done with her when I wrote what I did, but she apologized, and I will see her again. I hope her ego has not gotten too big.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]You seem to have the more expensive taste. I am the same way and I will pay whatever it takes for my comfort and enjoy myself.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know, but you are limiting yourself. You have a john mentality. You are pursuing the old ways. You think of women only as an expense. I am having women wash my clothes, pack my suitcase, sew me clothes, give me massages, give me gifts, text me all the time telling me they love me.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2496526]I can relate to what you're saying and while your chances are better in Bogota of finding this. It's still rare.[/QUOTE]Rare? It is impossible if you think the Colombian women are only after you for money and really want to hang out with their novios. You are repeating forum or conventional wisdom, but you abandoned convention when you paid for sex, so you have to evaluate if abandoning convention is worth doing again.

I agree that women are after money, but the novios make 5% of what you do. So why would they want to hang out with them? If you can figure out what the novios provide and do it yourself, and I have, then you will be fucking beauty queens bareback too.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2496916]You do not need the app filled out at all. When you are a foreigner in Colombia and do not have a Colombian phone number, you show your boarding pass and your passport. The Colombian tracking app is for Colombians only. I flew three times in Colombia between airports without using the app.[/QUOTE]I just came to Barranquilla airport and I had my US passport in hand. The lady at the door asked me for a boarding pass. I did not have one and showed her my reservation. She said go ahead. So no app was needed.

I got to security and put my things through. They wanted to put one of my bags through again. They told me to open it up. They told me my small bottle of Tabasco sauce was not permitted. I biched about it and said it is the same bottle I brought here 2 days ago. He said at this airport is not allowed. I hate when airports in the same country have different guidelines.

Had the same situation in Santo Domingo one time. They lady said I could put the hot sauce in somebody's eyes. I picked up my pencil and said hell I can put this in somebody's eyes too. She let me keep the hot sauce.

Thanks for the postings in this forum; although I've not read them all, some of the discussions around COVID protocol's proven super helpful.

I'm headed to live in Bogota until the holidays; I got an apartment in Santa Fe, it has useful broadband, but I'm starting to think the location was a mistake. I guess if it's too bad, I'll move to a different location.

I'm curious about how you all approach the street girls nearby, do the girls only use the hotels? Do you all have experience getting their WhatsApp and inviting them back to your place nearby for more ]extended stays? What's the most you see girls charging on the street in Santa Fe (high-end)?

When you finally exit the airport make sure you walk completely across the street into the parking lot. So as pointed out on this board before there are three lanes. Cross all three lanes and go into the parking lot. That is where your Uber will pick you up at. Make sure you pay attention to what the license plate is because if you arrive at night it's really dark and it's hard to see the color of the cars. Also if you're not a Spanish speaker make sure you have Google translate and use that to communicate with the driver through the app. I simply told the driver what colors I was wearing and he found me right away after searching for him for 5 minutes or so. You have to go through all of this because Uber is technically illegal in Colombia.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2497584]When you finally exit the airport make sure you walk completely across the street into the parking lot. So as pointed out on this board before there are three lanes. Cross all three lanes and go into the parking lot. That is where your Uber will pick you up at. Make sure you pay attention to what the license plate is because if you arrive at night it's really dark and it's hard to see the color of the cars. Also if you're not a Spanish speaker make sure you have Google translate and use that to communicate with the driver through the app. I simply told the driver what colors I was wearing and he found me right away after searching for him for 5 minutes or so. You have to go through all of this because Uber is technically illegal in Colombia.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]They resolved that last year. First Uber was shut down completely, for a short time, then they got it restored legally.

The problem isn't with the legality, it's the taxi drivers. They have gotten violent in the past with Uber drivers.

If you want to completely avoid the hassle and you're traveling light, take the green bus (free) from the airport to Portal Dorado, the closest Transmilenio station to the airport, unless you're arriving late. Then you can have Uber meet you there.

Don't forget to sit in the front with Uber and whether you are using taxi or Uber, don't slam the door. Every time they see a gringo they cringe because of the door slamming.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2497602]They resolved that last year. First Uber was shut down completely, for a short time, then they got it restored legally.

The problem isn't with the legality, it's the taxi drivers. They have gotten violent in the past with Uber drivers.

If you want to completely avoid the hassle and you're traveling light, take the green bus (free) from the airport to Portal Dorado, the closest Transmilenio station to the airport, unless you're arriving late. Then you can have Uber meet you there.

Don't forget to sit in the front with Uber and whether you are using taxi or Uber, don't slam the door. Every time they see a gringo they cringe because of the door slamming.[/QUOTE]I've never sat in the front in any Uber globally. What is the rationale behind doing that?

I want to wear supposedly Abu Dubai was located today. It's actually hard to locate because it's actually a small door that's part of another fence and you have to ring the bell. Some guy came out looking angry and I asked him was the spa there and he said no.

Is the spa gone?

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2497691]I've never sat in the front in any Uber globally. What is the rationale behind doing that?[/QUOTE]That used to be done to keep taxi drivers and police from knowing they were Uber. It is no longer a thing.

[QUOTE=Xijinpooh;2497440]What's the most you see girls charging on the street in Santa Fe (high-end)?[/QUOTE]40,000 pesos.

Hi,

Does any have an links to any Columbian Escorts sites and information about streetwalkers, I'm planning a trip to visit and I want to have a good time without getting screwed. Feel free to PM me Thanks.

[blue]===============================================

Greetings,

It appears from your post that you don't quite understand the Forum's Private Message service.

To use the Forum's Private Message service, both you and the Forum Member you are trying to contact must be either a subscriber or a Senior Member.

For more information, please read: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/ISG_Payments.php

Admin[/blue]

What kind of want to be reverse psychology is this?

Her: Amor yo no soy dama de compañia si quieres verme los pagas si no quieres no hay ningún problema puedes conseguir otra y hasta mejor que yo

Me: ahhh. No eres dama de compania. Lo siento. Solo pago damas de compania.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2497691]I've never sat in the front in any Uber globally. What is the rationale behind doing that?[/QUOTE]The rationale in Colombia is simple. It may have stopped now, but when Uber first came to Colombia there was a lot of resistance from taxi drivers. If they saw a car pull over and someone hop in the back, they would chase them down, force them off the road and beat up the driver. There were quite a few incidents. Most Uber drivers will insist you sit in the front.

That's why, at the airport you have to meet them in the parking lot.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2497297]

I agree that women are after money, but the novios make 5% of what you do. So why would they want to hang out with them?[/QUOTE]There is a easy test for this. Ask them to spend weekend nights with you. If you are her high priority she will gladly accept. If she is only using you for money they will try to reschedule. Even then its not a failproof test.

[QUOTE]If you can figure out what the novios provide and do it yourself, and I have, then you will be fucking beauty queens bareback too. [/QUOTE]Do you speak spanish fluently? And are you good looking? And what do novious provide that you also provide?

Not arguing here, I just want to know more about your POV and method. I have done similar "arrangements" in Medellin. What I can tell you is how much ever they tell you that they love you, they will run away when your money runs out. What I also suspect is that deep down they don't respect a monger much. Your true GF doesn't ask for money.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]There is a easy test for this. Ask them to spend weekend nights with you. If you are her high priority she will gladly accept. If she is only using you for money they will try to reschedule. Even then its not a failproof test.

Do you speak spanish fluently? And are you good looking? And what do novious provide that you also provide?

Not arguing here, I just want to know more about your POV and method. I have done similar "arrangements" in Medellin. What I can tell you is how much ever they tell you that they love you, they will run away when your money runs out. What I also suspect is that deep down they don't respect a monger much. Your true GF doesn't ask for money.[/QUOTE]Unless your Spanish is fluent and can pass for a Latino 99% of the times it's all about the $$.

Gringos don't stand a chance for serious relationships with the top of the line girls.

Once they're past their prime and popped out a few kids then it's a different ball game.

But to get the top of the line 9's and 10's in their prime, it's almost impossible for a gringo to get these girls.

If they do it has to be extremely beneficial for them.

I've had a few regulars where I didn't actually pay for sex. But dinners trips etc all come out of my pocket.

Expenses cost a lot more than actually paying cash for sex.

I'm not saying it's impossible but if your in your 50's and trying to be with a 20 something girl for something long term and serious then you need common sense. LOL. Now for a couple sexual encounters that's another thing but sometimes guys need to wake up.

I've been with a couple 9's and the most I will do is overpay to have one night with her to do as I please and will never desire to take her on a trip to cuddle. 😂128514;128514;.

Cuddling will cost me a lot more in the long run.

Social status is a very big deal in Colombia. Especially with girls. So while they will go out with you and fuck you it has to be very beneficial for them.

Now like I said it's 99% so for the 1% that have a different story. Kudos to you!!

Otherwise fuck them, drop a load in their mouth, pay them, and onto the next.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2497699]That used to be done to keep taxi drivers and police from knowing they were Uber. It is no longer a thing.[/QUOTE]I had one guy insist on it just 10 hours ago.

IME some insist on you going front, some insist on you going in the back. 90% of them don't care.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2497767]Unless your Spanish is fluent and can pass for a Latino 99% of the times it's all about the $$.

Gringos don't stand a chance for serious relationships with the top of the line girls.

Once they're past their prime and popped out a few kids then it's a different ball game.

But to get the top of the line 9's and 10's in their prime, it's almost impossible for a gringo to get these girls.

If they do it has to be extremely beneficial for them.

I've had a few regulars where I didn't actually pay for sex. But dinners trips etc all come out of my pocket.

Expenses cost a lot more than actually paying cash for sex.

I'm not saying it's impossible but if your in your 50's and trying to be with a 20 something girl for something long term and serious then you need common sense. LOL. Now for a couple sexual encounters that's another thing but sometimes guys need to wake up.

I've been with a couple 9's and the most I will do is overpay to have one night with her to do as I please and will never desire to take her on a trip to cuddle. 😂128514;128514;.

Cuddling will cost me a lot more in the long run.

Social status is a very big deal in Colombia. Especially with girls. So while they will go out with you and fuck you it has to be very beneficial for them.

Now like I said it's 99% so for the 1% that have a different story. Kudos to you!!

Otherwise fuck them, drop a load in their mouth, pay them, and onto the next.[/QUOTE]I think it's a big YMMV thing.

If you have enough to bring to the table, you will have women fighting over you here. The problem is that most people tend to overestimate themselves.

I agree, getting your Spanish to fluent should be the #1 goal for anybody looking for long-term relationships here. And learn the history and culture. Don't just speak formal Spanish, learn to speak street.

If you are thoroughly bilingual and obviously economically secure that goes a long way here.

Normally I travel to SA 5-6 times a year. Health issues have kept me home this entire year. I tried looking at my bucket list and number one on my list was the girl that could grow beautiful flowers out of her butt. Think about it. Wow. I haven't seen this lately but when you sign in There she is.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2497767]Unless your Spanish is fluent and can pass for a Latino 99% of the times it's all about the $$.
Gringos don't stand a chance for serious relationships with the top of the line girls.
I'm not saying it's impossible but if your in your 50's and trying to be with a 20 something girl for something long term and serious then you need common sense. LOL. Now for a couple sexual encounters that's another thing but sometimes guys need to wake up.
Now like I said it's 99% so for the 1% that have a different story. Kudos to you!![/QUOTE]Cool, I get to be a 1%er, and my Spanish is just intermediate. I think it's like Bango Cheito says, YMMV. Plus, being in the right place at the right time. A couple years ago, I dated (for quite a while) a beautiful Costa Rican girl. She was busty on top of that. We happened to meet by chance at a social event. I was 37, she was a college student that came to the States to study, from a well off family. She even paid for our outings. She certainly wasn't after money (because I don't have it), so it must have been my looks.

So, it can happen, but I think a thirty year gap looking for a serious relationship is far fetched across the board for any girl, not just Latinas. I admit, I was lucky, but I'll take it. Other than that, I do agree with you, love them and move on to the next.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]There is a easy test for this. Ask them to spend weekend nights with you. If you are her high priority she will gladly accept. If she is only using you for money they will try to reschedule. Even then its not a failproof test.[/QUOTE]I have already have done that. Better tests are seeing if the woman puts you on her social media page and introduces you to her family.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]Do you speak spanish fluently? And are you good looking?[/QUOTE]No, I speak enough to get by and not really with looks.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]And what do novios provide that you also provide?[/QUOTE]Let's start simple. You find a hottie like I did with a beautiful young daughter. What do you think that she cares about the most: a guy's looks, his ability to speak well enough so a translator is not needed, or her kid? Hell, the kid is probably why she is meeting you but how many guys that she meets will even mention or ask about her kid?

Don Carlos says he does not do wining and dining, which is fine with me and it works for him, but Mr. E says that is always a good thing right? Do not get to know these women. He even says all the women on seeking are working girls.

What do you think I am doing when wining and dining? I will tell you what is is not, bragging about me. I am interviewing if this person is worth my time and money with time being more important.

I could turn the tables on you all and proclaim you all assholes for objectifying women and only looking them as shallow creatures looking for a man who makes them look good or greedy jezebels, but it would be hypocritical. I was the same way, and I learned that you have the best experiences when you get to know the women as people.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]What I can tell you is how much ever they tell you that they love you, they will run away when your money runs out.[/QUOTE]Who are they? A Santa Fe ****, a mother who has a child attached to you, a civil engineering student, a teacher? Would you leave them if they could not have sex with you?

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]What I also suspect is that deep down they don't respect a monger much.[/QUOTE]Here we go with the they again.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2497752]Your true GF doesn't ask for money.[/QUOTE]Of course, they do. It is not just in the form of hard cash, but we are living in different universes. Saying women do not care about money is like saying men do not care about sex. Any woman who is oblivious to the impact a lack of money has on a relationship is a fool.

You are looking at women as sluts instead of the daughters and mothers that they are. Your attitude is fine for a street hooker; it is going to get you nowhere with the higher end women.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2497937]

Don Carlos says he does not do wining and dining, which is fine with me and it works for him, but Mr. E says that is always a good thing right? Do not get to know these women. He even says all the women on seeking are working girls.
snip
Your attitude is fine for a street hooker; it is going to get you nowhere with the higher end women.[/QUOTE]Someone misunderstood. Dinner is good on SA. Any activity you enjoy in the company of an enthusiastic (10) that you won't meet back in Sex Prison. Is MORE enjoyable and you will remember it longer that the sex. There I said it. I'm renting a car in Cartagena, driving the coast road to Barranquilla with a 20 something multilingual business student. Perfect English, Spanish & French. She wants me to be happy. She's spending a couple nights with me, being my tour guide. Has not even asked and who knows might not care about $. She wants someone around her at her level. Sex is a given. It's the prelude and the sequel that matters. I said it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2497937]Don Carlos says he does not do wining and dining, which is fine with me and it works for him, but Mr. E says that is always a good thing right? Do not get to know these women. He even says all the women on seeking are working girls.

What do you think I am doing when wining and dining? I will tell you what is is not, bragging about me. I am interviewing if this person is worth my time and money with time being more important.[/QUOTE]Big difference in what he is doing, which is going out to have a good time with the chick and what you are doing which is trying to become a part of their life, sending money to pay their bills and moving them and their family from country to country; trying to get them hooked on you and control them and have power over them by using your money. He has a stable relationship back home and is not out trying to create unnecessary drama for himself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498129]Big difference in what he is doing, which is going out to have a good time with the chick [/QUOTE]Don Carlos is drowning in high quality pussy and so am I. Neither of us ever thought we would have it so good. I cannot believe the women I have turned away.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498129]what you are doing which is trying to become a part of their life, sending money to pay their bills and moving them and their family from country to country; trying to get them hooked on you and control them and have power over them by using your money.[/QUOTE]Yes, I know it is awful. Helping to pay a woman's bills during a pandemic when they could not work was terrible and so was my moving a family out of Venezuelan poverty.

Can you explain to me the power thing though? What power do I want when I am already fucking them?

I cannot believe your growth though Mr. E. Taking a woman for Mexican food? You are not bragging about how cheap you banged someone or that the woman is stupid.

You are quite the hero in that woman's eyes. She has affection for you beyond just the money you give her and like Don Carlos said, I bet the more memorable parts will be the dinners over the sex. You actually showed some game. Keep it up and I am certain that you will see her looking for ways to pay you back and hear the words te quiero or te amo. Well done.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498175]
Can you explain to me the power thing though? What power do I want when I am already fucking them?
[/QUOTE]When you're supporting her and her entire family you have all the power. You call the shots. I think that is what he meant.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498175]Can you explain to me the power thing though? What power do I want when I am already fucking them?[/QUOTE]I think you can explain it better seeing you are the one that said it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2492042]And you guys think money only buys sex. It buys power[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498175]You are quite the hero in that woman's eyes. She has affection for you beyond just the money you give her [/QUOTE]What money is that? The 60 K pesos that I gave her for the babysitter for 2 days?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2498239]I think you can explain it better seeing you are the one that said it.[/QUOTE]Power was in the context of not having to put up with women's bullshit not being controlling, but hey you made that up too just like you made up that all women on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] are sluts. I tried complementing but you just went back to the guy you always were. I am just going to ignore you from now on. It is personal with you. Don Carlos and I are doing the same thing and if I posted with a different name, you would be saying that guy has it right and not me.

For the last 11 years, I have made 4-5 trips to South America yearly. Uruguay then Argentina now Columbia. I have been to 4 different major cities in Colombia and Bogota is my favorite. My last trip was at the end of 2019. It looks like Argentina and Colombia are opening-up in the middle of November to flights from USA. I am a septuagenarian. I am not in good shape so really I think I am a candidate for the virus. Here is the dumbest of dumb questions. Please be easy on me. Eating pussy and kissing Are a must for me. If I can't do those two things with a chica, what's the use. We are lucky to have some really up to date members on this site. Any suggestions. OK so what am I hoping for. I hope someone says stop worrying and have a good time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498291]Power was in the context of not having to put up with women's bullshit [/QUOTE]LOL. Why would a person need to buy power in a sense of not having to put up with bullshit? You can not put up with bullshit for free. Yeah ignoring is best. You went off the deep end with delusional stuff a long time ago and you are steadfastly thinking others are sharing the same nuthouse point of view. Because you are buying all this power, but according to your reports yet somehow still putting up with bullshit.

Probably within a week. I'll tell you of my experiences. First time there. I went to Medellin last year. Things are looking really good on [URL]Skokka.com[/URL]. Hot girls, low prices.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2498422]For the last 11 years, I have made 4-5 trips to South America yearly. Uruguay then Argentina now Columbia. I have been to 4 different major cities in Colombia and Bogota is my favorite. My last trip was at the end of 2019. It looks like Argentina and Colombia are opening-up in the middle of November to flights from USA. I am a septuagenarian. I am not in good shape so really I think I am a candidate for the virus. Here is the dumbest of dumb questions. Please be easy on me. Eating pussy and kissing Are a must for me. If I can't do those two things with a chica, what's the use. We are lucky to have some really up to date members on this site. Any suggestions. OK so what am I hoping for. I hope someone says stop worrying and have a good time.[/QUOTE]Kissing, screwing, fonding tits and ass, eating pussy, etc. None of these activities are social distancing. In fact they're the polar opposite of social distancing. Moreover, you're likely doing it with multiple chicas that themselves are doing it with multiple other guys (no matter what they say).

Given your age and self-described health, I think mongering is risky. Just my 2 cents. Yes, things suck now. I have trips to Colombia, Brasil, and the DR planned for the winter and I'm beginning to realize they may not happen.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2498422]For the last 11 years, I have made 4-5 trips to South America yearly. Uruguay then Argentina now Columbia. I have been to 4 different major cities in Colombia and Bogota is my favorite. My last trip was at the end of 2019. It looks like Argentina and Colombia are opening-up in the middle of November to flights from USA. I am a septuagenarian. I am not in good shape so really I think I am a candidate for the virus. Here is the dumbest of dumb questions. Please be easy on me. Eating pussy and kissing Are a must for me. If I can't do those two things with a chica, what's the use. We are lucky to have some really up to date members on this site. Any suggestions. OK so what am I hoping for. I hope someone says stop worrying and have a good time.[/QUOTE]60 yo plus and any serious co-morbidities means a no go now. You can try to get a vaccine out of your home country if it becomes available for you sooner, or plan to visit a country where the situation is better, even if means more expensive or difficult to enter (example: Cambodia, Thailand) or Tanzania. This is of course an opinion. This hobby means being exposed.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2498422]For the last 11 years, I have made 4-5 trips to South America yearly. Uruguay then Argentina now Columbia. I have been to 4 different major cities in Colombia and Bogota is my favorite. My last trip was at the end of 2019. It looks like Argentina and Colombia are opening-up in the middle of November to flights from USA. I am a septuagenarian. I am not in good shape so really I think I am a candidate for the virus. Here is the dumbest of dumb questions. Please be easy on me. Eating pussy and kissing Are a must for me. If I can't do those two things with a chica, what's the use. We are lucky to have some really up to date members on this site. Any suggestions. OK so what am I hoping for. I hope someone says stop worrying and have a good time.[/QUOTE]I'm younger than you (50's) but also have some preexisting conditions, AND I couldn't care less about kissing and dining at the why. Yet, I'm staying put. If kissing is something you so thoroughly enjoy, that's totally a no brainer.

I tend to travel several time a year, so staying put is so fucking hard! But what's the alternative?

Wait until it's over or, at least, until the risk subsides, and there will be a vaccine next year, most likely.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498175]Don Carlos is drowning in high quality pussy and so am I. Neither of us ever thought we would have it so good. I cannot believe the women I have turned away.[/QUOTE]Are you gents avoiding the kissing, dining at the Y and even possibly wearing a mask around the chicas? How are you gents addressing the virus?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498291]Power was in the context .... Don Carlos and I are doing the same thing and if I posted with a different name, you would be saying that guy has it right and not me.[/QUOTE]LOL this is about how much time, patience, energy and yes. Some $$ that Colombian girls, 10's etc. Are worth investing in. If this "perfect storm" which is happening in Colombia goes away and I overthink or waste time judging other peoples reasoning for their dating. I will miss the gravy train. That's not going to happen. Meanwhile I just extended my upcoming trip to be there for 30 days. Who does your laundry Mr. E. ? I need a traveling maid. Jejeje.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2498679]Are you gents avoiding the kissing, dining at the Y and even possibly wearing a mask around the chicas? How are you gents addressing the virus?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I believe someone with less than ONE boyfriend maybe a couple a year, who has been on lock down. Is a lot safer than any escort or street sweetie. That being said, vitamin the, put hand sanitizer on it. (it was an accident) YMMV.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2498685]LOL this is about how much time, patience, energy and yes. Some $$ that Colombian girls, 10's etc. Are worth investing in. If this "perfect storm" which is happening in Colombia goes away and I overthink or waste time judging other peoples reasoning for their dating. I will miss the gravy train. That's not going to happen. Meanwhile I just extended my upcoming trip to be there for 30 days. Who does your laundry Mr. E. ? I need a traveling maid. Jejeje.[/QUOTE]I have quick-drying travel clothing. Socks, underwear, etc. That you wash in the hotel sink and hang it up and it's dry in 2 hours. Off topic. But cool (and slightly expensive).

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2498679]Are you gents avoiding the kissing, dining at the Y and even possibly wearing a mask around the chicas?[/QUOTE]Not at all.

[QUOTE=Cm6363;2498679]How are you gents addressing the virus?
Cheers.[/QUOTE]If a woman looks sick and is running a fever, I stay away. I was with a woman who lost her sense of taste and smell but she was not coughing, did not look sick, and I did not kiss her or dine on her, and she later tested + for Covid but I caught nothing from her.

If you want to read the doom and gloom reports, you can get Covid super easy, but in my experience, you get it from somebody who looks sick and if you are exposed to them (coughing, sneezing, yelling) for a prolonged period of time.

And I am not sure about Colombia but here in the USA sex prison, I am not seeing near the number of sick as shit Covid people as in July. Yeah, I know the numbers are as high as ever, but it seems like Covid now is on par with or a little worse than the flu. It sure was not 3, 4 months ago, so outside of avoiding people who look sick and are running a fever, nothing has changed for me.

The first time someone with Covid coughed in front of me, I was pretty scared. After the 100th, I am like, "Eh, whatever."

My first trip to Bogota was quite interesting.

Would I go back?

No. Not until the pandemic has passed.

Logistics.

To enter Colombia at this time you need two things in addition to your passport.

A COVID-19 test that shows you are negative for the virus. This test must be taken atleast 96 hours before your flight departure. The test must have two things on it that are vital-the date you took the test and received the results AND must have the words SARS-CoV-2,NAA and PCR test on it. I am not a medical professional but without these two things the airlines in the USA WILL NOT let you board.

You must complete the Check-MIG form online or on the app. This form must be filled out BEFORE you fly and BEFORE you depart Colombia. On each end of your flight they will ask for it and you must show it either in printed form or on your phone. Here is the link to the form [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

Google Maps. Download Google maps onto your phone and download the city of Bogota so you can use it OFFLINE on your phone. What does this mean? Even if you do not have a signal your phone GPS still works and you can know where you are going and the locations you need. In addition, mark the places you want to go on Google maps so when you are walking or in the Uber you will know where you are going. This solves alot of "where this place" problems. Here is the link that explains how to download Google maps offline [URL]https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en[/URL].

Decide your access to money options. It's easy to obtain money through an ATM but what about accessing the small bills you need? BBVA is a south American bank and was across the street from the hotel I stayed at. I went on their website weeks ago ([URL]https://www.bbvausa.com/checking-accounts/online-checking.html[/URL]) and opened a simple account with an ATM card. When I got to Bogota I walked in the branch, told them how much I wanted and in what denominations and I had all I needed. No ATM machines that you have to worry about being robbed or other issues. I simply walked out of my hotel, crossed the street and in five minutes I had the cash in small denominations. And right before I left town I went back to the bank and exchanged my Colombian money for USD.

Bring your own condoms and anti-bacterial wipes. This is essential as the condoms the girls have are poor quality and for hygienic reasons bring the wipes that work best for you.

Set up an Uber account before you leave [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubercab&hl=en&gl=US[/URL] . I exclusively used Uber for the whole trip and it was inexpensive and effective. I never paid more than $4 USD for any trip I took.

Have a few non mongering things to do. You can't sleep with the girls 24 hours a day. I will list those out later.

Though many have suggested Tinder I was VERY successful with Bumble [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bumble.app&hl=en_SG[/URL] . I downloaded an app on my phone that can change my location [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en_US&gl=US[/URL] , changed my location to Bogota and was swiping. I made ALOT of contacts with Bumble. So Download Bumble before you go. Wait until I tell you about Refrigerator girl.

Get a VPN for your phone. It will be the best $10 you can spend. If you use the airport or hotel or any public wifi you have a very good chance of being hacked. This is very serious so spend the money to get it. I use Express VPN [URL]https://www.expressvpn.com/[/URL].

Google translate. I speak Spanish so I do not need it but download it. And then download the Spanish part so you can use it OFFLINE. Again no signal no Google live translate. So if you download the offline version you can still use it. Here is the link. [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&26hl=en[/URL] and here is the link explaining using it offline [URL]https://support.google.com/translate/answer/6142473?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en[/URL].

Connect with Woodman09 on the board. I am an experienced monger but the measly $40 I paid him to show me around Santa Fe was invaluable. He showed you where to eat, places to hang out that were safe, FYI on the girls etc. Just spend the $40 for the two hours. Totally worth it and he is a gent to boot.

Bring several masks. They are required EVERYWHERE. I bought 5 fabric ones and would hand wash them. The pollution is bad enough in places that you would want to wear one anyway.

The Flight.

When flight day came I had my COVID test results printed and on my phone as well as have completed the CHECK-MIG form which I had on my phone. At the counter and the gate they checked both of them. I saw many people turned away because they did not have the correct COVID results (see above) or had not filled out CHECK-MIG. I actually made a COVID form as getting the results in time was a near impossibility where I live. Also one thing-RAPID COVID-19 test results ARE NOT acceptable. I learned at the airport that those tests are missing something technical / medical though I can't remember what it was.

The flight itself was uneventful. Everyone wore masks and there was no food / beverage service on the flight. Overwhelmingly everyone onboard was Colombian.

Arriving in Bogota.

At the airport itself you immediately saw all the airport / customs / immigration personnel literally walking around in HAZMAT suits. Hell they almost looked like NASA astronauts. They had two stations. The first station took your temperature (interestingly enough on your wrist-I have never seen that before). Once your temperature was determined to be acceptable you went to the immigration line. Before you got to the counter one of the HAZMAT / NASA cuties checked your COVID test and your CHECK-MIG form. When you got to the immigration counter they checked both of these items again and checked your passport.

I only brought a carry on (all I needed is clothes for a few days) so I didn't need to gather luggage. As you leave the luggage area on the right are two ATM's and a currency exchange place. For the love of God do not use these currency exchange places. Major rip off. I had my aforementioned BBVA account anyhow. As I went to leave that area customs stops you (along with two menacing dogs and two heavily armed police (I was actually impressed one of them had a IWI X95 (look it up)). I was asked if I have more than 10 k USD cash with me and I laughingly said no. That was it.

I walked outside and discovered my Verizon phone did not have a signal. I walked back inside, connected to the airport wifi and then my Express VPN and hailed the Uber. You need to walk across all three lanes to the parking lot in the middle. This is where the UBER will meet you. That parking lot (I believe it is called parking lot C) is dark as hell and I noticed during my trip that UBER may say the car is blue but it is actually white etc. So pay attention to the license plate and communicate with the drive through the app. Bogota airport location for your Google maps (remember to save these on your map on your phone.) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/bhHnmmDqxnhRvAbK9[/URL].

It was 25 k ($6 USD) from the airport to my hotel.

The Hotel.

I stayed at the IBIS Hotel Bogota [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ADGkpCbLboEgVx7bA[/URL].

It was relatively cheap at $30 a night. I arrived late and the security guard, before he opens the locked glass entrance, makes you wash your hands at a sink just inside the door. And he watched intently you doing so. During my entire trip the staff was this way about washing your hands before entering. Sometimes they were too aggressive about it. I chose this hotel because it was modern, walking distance to Sante Fe, across from the BBVA bank and was close to Carrera 1 which is the road that can quickly take you to Chapinero where most of the casas are.

The room was sparsely furnished and was clean. The view was nice (see photos of the hotel and the view out of the room). The hotel had a low occupancy and I never ate there. The cleaning crew was annoying. They would just enter without knocking. They did this twice to my annoyance. And trust me guys these women were nothing to look at!

Money.

First thing that morning I walked out of the hotel and across the street and went to BBVA bank. [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/nnPm8wDFABrzLrYU7[/URL] They would only allow three people at a time inside the branch and when you enter they take your temperature on your wrist. I asked for $250 USD (I never even spent all of it) in small bills and I was out. Simple enough. I bought a nice waist money holder that had two zippers in which I kept my passport and phone in one and money in the other and it worked out well. [URL]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074C9QC1F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL].

Woodman09 and Santa Fe.

Woodman09 arrived as he said he would at the hotel lobby. We exchanged pleasantries and began what would be an informative few hours. We walked to Santa Fe from IBIS (I actually timed it when I did it alone and it was 14 minutes walking at a brisk pace) and he explained many things along the way. He explained the various streets, the girls, a nice bakery to take a load off a nice pharmacy where I bought some medicines to take back with me to the USA that require a prescription and are expensive as hell.

Of note, I tried Viagra for the first time. It didn't do anything for me at all. I threw the other pill away.

I would suggest you do your first trip to Santa Fe in the morning. There are not as many people (yes girls are there but not as many as the day wears on) and you can get a lay of the land. If you go at night for the first time it may be a bit overwhelming.

Santa Fe reminds me a bit of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome-especially at night. Now let me make something clear. Santa Fe was NOT scary or dangerous in my opinion. I know many have said that but it is a combination of Skid Row in LA (homeless and druggies but I never had anyone bother me when alone), Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and a very busy normal street in Santo Domingo. I snapped a photo from a distance (do not openly take photos or videos down here. I saw a guy do it and several guys accosted him verbally) and have included it in this report. I never had anyone bother me. Is this a place you flash Iwatches and cash and Iphones? No. But I took my phone out when I needed it (stepped into a doorway or off to the side) and did the same when I needed some of my cash (I kept 60 K in my pocket at all times and the rest in the waist holder. This always worked out fine.) I was never bothered.

There are all types of women here. Skinny, tall, MILFS, black, very young, very old. You name it and it is there. I even saw a preggo though I did not partake. Alot of people walking around were on their way someplace walking or guys hanging out in front of their shops (barber, convenience store etc) or the girls hanging on the corner or just inside the hotels. Frankly I saw very few women I would call 10's. Most were 7 or less. They were still attractive though. Every woman I saw on this trip sans one was a Venezuelan. I noticed the older women had alot of plastic surgery and were more aggressive in trying to get your attention than the younger ones. Frankly it doesn't feel that dangerous. I can see why at night it feels different however. Too many dark corners and very dark streets. I think if you monger in this area up until it gets dark there is still a very good selection of girls. You don't need to be here late at night to get what you want. The trannies would call out sometimes but they did this to everyone. I just kept walking and they went on to bother someone else. All the clubs are closed. I don't like clubs so it was fine with me.

I only took two girls in Santa Fe. Frankly it is not for me. The first girl I took I could see she had dark areola (and indication of pregnancy or recent pregnancy so she had milk). BTW-many of the girls have see through shirts and panties on. You can see everything. Anyhow I paid her 40 K ($10) and we got a room. Not five minutes after we were in the room comes the knock at the door. Goddamn ridiculous. I told the girl why are they knocking already and she said they always did it. I was a bit flustered knowing I would just get into banging this girl and the knock would come again. I played with her tits, made her drink some of her own milk and left. Hell it's only $10. Later I chose a lovely 100 LB 20 year old dark skinned Venezuelan girl. I told her I wanted 30 minutes and I even told the lady at the hotel she was in front of that I was paying for 30 minutes. Not TEN minutes later this same old lady knocks on the door! What the hell. I opened the door and asked her what the hell was she knocking for. She just walked away. I banged the girl for a few minutes and couldn't even cum so loud was the music in the place and hearing this woman knocking on other doors.

And that was my experience in Santa Fe. Nice to look at all the girls (I also got a great haircut there a few days later for $5. There are many barbers) etc but it wasn't for me. The ambience of the room is what killed it. I didn't ask any of the girls to my hotel room but the experience with the girls would most certainly be better than the damn door knocking in Santa Fe.

Plus the casa of Chapinero is what was so much better for me (I'll get to that later).

I walked back from Santa Fe to IBIS each time along this route. It's a straight shot and I felt safe even at night. Just walk straight down Carrera 10 from the hotel and make a right onto Calle 22 and you will be in the thick of Santa Fe just a few blocks down. If you go this way when you get to this gas station that begins Santa Fe [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/YMynxR3SAeSexZG68[/URL].

Here are the corners I marked as having a lot of girls though every street did.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/2n5A4geZoTcoWWDeA[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/41sRvBiRMcfMuu4J7[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/28PhNBsz84L8p4M19[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/nwN2CTB3SqqbGPS88[/URL]

One nice thing about this area during the day. If you are walking back to IBIS go up to Carrera 7. The street is closed and there are many stores to go to including stores where you can get a SIM. Woodman09 took me to a phone store here and I quickly got a SIM with 2 GB. Walking back to IBIS (which is a straight shot from IBIS) I got a great burger and bought some souvenirs.

Chapinero.

Chapinero [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VjDyxrQkeGvwYJQP7[/URL] is a very nice area of Bogota and where the great casas are. Should I come back to Bogota I will get a hotel here as despite the fact that many of the tourist sites are on the Santa Fe side of town. The great mongering, in my opinion, is in Chapinero.

So the next day I set out to the Mezzanine that has been mentioned here before. [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/guSG4CpdPo8q8Ngq5[/URL] . I got there in about 20 minutes in the UBER going up Carrera 1 road. The building is grey and non descript and across the street from a gas station. I've included many photos. You just walk up the steps and then you can only make a right as it's a balcony. There are four to six doors I think. Each of these small rooms has screens that show when someone is walking down the outside balcony. And then the gauntlet begins.

At each door 3-6 girls pop their heads out enticing you to come in. It's a bit overwhelming but take your time, say some nice words in Spanish and go from door to door. The doors near the end seem to be chock full of girls and they were all Venezuelan. Pay attention to what girl (s) seem interested in you rather than desperate for money. You can tell which ones it is. I chose a middle aged Vennie because after talking with them all the chemistry was there. She explained it was 100 k ($26 USD) for one hour including ejalculation. I found it hilarious she said ejalculation was included. We went to a room at the very end. The room had two massage areas in it separate by a door and a thin wall. The room with the massage table is just big enough for the table and to walk beside it. I talked to her for a few minutes (guys if you do not know Spanish you will struggle here in Bogota. Learn some before you come here in my opinion) and she really warmed up to me. Guys just don't bend her over. Ask her about her country, her kids and her family. Those three things will get them to open up and make the experience better. We had a great sexual experience (I use condoms for everything as I do not do BBBJ or BB) as I made her get on the edge of the table and I banged her front and doggy and finished by shooting on her boobs. The only thing I didn't like was the walls are so thin you can hear everything going on in the massage room next to you. In the hour I was there some girl got banged twice in that room. Some may like this but I didn't.

I liked Mezzanine so much I came back three times. I never went anywhere else (I'll explain).

Afterwards I was hungry and took an Uber to Hooters [URL]https://g.page/hooters-zona-t?share[/URL] (see some more girls in short shorts) in Zona T. The food was ok and there were only two waitresses working. They take your temperature before you enter and they are social distancing tables. Afterwards I went to the Adino Shopping mall down the street just to see it [URL]https://g.page/CentroAndino?share[/URL].

I then took a UBER the short distance to Abudubai Spa which was close by [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/yMPLktX8sSCsBiaZ9[/URL] . At first I could not find it because there is no street number on any building that said 12 a-25 #77. I finally realized that there is a garage gate to the street and the end of that garage gate is a door and a buzzer. When I looked through the garage gate / door I could see the number. If you look at the Google street view of this address you will see what I mean. I rang the buzzer and a 20's something guy came to the gate. I asked him if this was Abudubai Spa and he said no. I then asked him if he knew where it was and he said no. I was a bit shocked not knowing if it was really gone or he didn't want me as a customer. I don't know. I had intentions of grabbing an Uber and going to Chicas Mileano which was close by. But I said the hell with it and went back to Mezzanine! Before I get into my next Mezzanine experience here are some other casas in the Abudubai Spa area you can visit.

Tantra Spa [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/NfGZcSStqaRvfdD86[/URL].

Chicas Mileano [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/h9sM4NihPjWtewJB9[/URL].

Pussy House [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/AXTcYfDEYD7qBL2J8[/URL].

Across from Mezzanine I noticed a nice hotel named Hotel Dan Carlton [URL]https://g.page/danncarltonbogota?share[/URL] . Should I return to Bogota I am going to post up here. Right across the street from Mezzanine! And the same price as IBIS.

This time at Mezzanine I chose a MILF who looks just like Latina porn star named Kiara Marie. [URL]https://beeg.com/1291695513?t=9-429[/URL] [URL]https://bangbros.com/model52975/kiara-marie[/URL].

Guys I fucked the living hell out of this woman. She was a demon in that massage room. Dirty talk, gave me anal, let me shoot it on her face for an extra 30 K (its only $7 USD guys). What a great experience.

And with that I was hooked on the Mezzanine.

But then.

Bumble mom and daughter.

Guys I had made several Bumble contacts before I came and settled on this 19 year old COLOMBIAN (not Venezuelan for once). She was a student, lived in the Chapinero area and spoke English and we talked everyday for weeks. My second night there we had dinner at Buffalo Wings place [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/aeZoEjr66yhYExsv7[/URL].

I didn't try to get any that night as I simply wanted to have a nice dinner and meet her. The next day she invited me to her house to meet her mom and sister. Hell I have seen this before. Meet mom and the family first and then she puts out. Her mom was HOT. Hell I wanted her more than I wanted the daughter! Nevertheless I had lunch with them on their patio (I even wore a nice shirt with some Polo cologne LOL). Later that night my Colombiana called me and asked could she stop by the hotel because she was "in the area". Yeah right.

She wasn't in that room for three minutes and had her tongue down my throat. Before I knew it I was face fucking her with the bright lights of Bogota shining through the window. I fucked her twice before she left.

First thing the next morning she called and said her family wanted to take me to see Monserrate. It is a church on a mountain that you have to take a funicular to see. Her mom shows up in these short shorts that barely contained her ass. I included a photo of her mom and sisters ass as well as hers (my girl is in the blue stretch pants). Jesus I was hoping her mom would put out at some point. Anyway we had a nice day together. When I went to leave their house later that day the mom walked down to the street with me to wait for my Uber. As we round a corner to go to the street and conveniently out of view of anyone she French kisses me in the mouth and thanks me for being kind to her daughter. I then told her I can be kind to you too. She replied well we are going to look at refrigerators tomorrow and you can come and we shall see.

Ok I have heard this one before too.

Get the gringo to go shopping with you and get him to buy what you want (in this case a refrigerator). Needless to say I didn't go back the next day and they didn't even call! I never heard from the girl again. I was right about their motives!

I went back to Mezzanine a few times and I enjoyed myself. I really liked that I had an hour, a good choice of girls, a comfortable environement and only $30 a pop. I included one photo of a girl she sent though I blocked out her face. She is a nice girl.

Other notes.

Here are some great non mongering activities that are in the city:

Casa de Narino (president's house) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/mU2ftC6zTT9B2aSe8[/URL].

Bolivar Square [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/DXwFGLeV5JBV61YJA[/URL].

Simon Bolivars house [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/pucWmQvF2byahLGF7[/URL].

Monserrate [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/MuKXbwoKmZ55huh88[/URL].

US Embassy (if you are American of course) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Azs47Nkt7khDVnDT8[/URL].

National Museum of Colombia [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/X15izJh5ZHFaY22D8[/URL].

Santa Maria Bullring [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/iLYfNmi3qq4rALiM6[/URL].

I never brought the Medellin milker to Bogota I mentioned in the Medellin forum. I had enough action as it was!

When you go to the airport to leave you are not required to have a COVID test but YOU ARE required to fill out the CHECK-MIG again. So do this before you leave.

Also here are a few places I ate at:

Voodoo [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/vSv3foGELydQpGK17[/URL].

Starbucks [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Njv3mnY6fqmWGvkh7[/URL].

Wing Stop [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/UGNyvGAnMcWRSUQw8[/URL].

Final Thoughts.

Everywhere you go someone is shouting at you to wash your hands or they are squirting or spraying some unknown liquid in your hands. It was really overwhelming and with that much aggressive attitude by everyone it became annoying. Yes COVID kills and yes it is dangerous but the level of near paranoia in Bogota makes me wonder why they even opened Colombia up to travelers. I even passed a restaurant where the wait staff were in Hazmat suits.

The airport is the same. Signs everywhere and staff telling you to do this and that as it relates to COVID.

Some girls in Santa Fe wore masks and some did not. None of the ladies did at Mezzanine. Hell even what I now call The Refrigerator Girl made me wash my hands before entering her home and entering her!

I'll be back to Bogota. And I will stay in Chapinero. But after a vaccine for COVID is developed.

Showdown.

Including Refrigerator Girl and the Llama LOL.

Showdown.

Great report.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]My first trip to Bogota was quite interesting.

Would I go back?

No. Not until the pandemic has passed.

Logistics.

To enter Colombia at this time you need two things in addition to your passport.

A COVID-19 test that shows you are negative for the virus. This test must be taken atleast 96 hours before your flight departure. The test must have two things on it that are vital-the date you took the test and received the results AND must have the words SARS-CoV-2,NAA and PCR test on it. I am not a medical professional but without these two things the airlines in the USA WILL NOT let you board.

You must complete the Check-MIG form online or on the app. This form must be filled out BEFORE you fly and BEFORE you depart Colombia. On each end of your flight they will ask for it and you must show it either in printed form or on your phone. Here is the link to the form [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

Google Maps. Download Google maps onto your phone and download the city of Bogota so you can use it OFFLINE on your phone. What does this mean? Even if you do not have a signal your phone GPS still works and you can know where you are going and the locations you need. In addition, mark the places you want to go on Google maps so when you are walking or in the Uber you will know where you are going. This solves alot of "where this place" problems. Here is the link that explains how to download Google maps offline [URL]https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6291838?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en[/URL].

Decide your access to money options. It's easy to obtain money through an ATM but what about accessing the small bills you need? BBVA is a south American bank and was across the street from the hotel I stayed at. I went on their website weeks ago ([URL]https://www.bbvausa.com/checking-accounts/online-checking.html[/URL]) and opened a simple account with an ATM card. When I got to Bogota I walked in the branch, told them how much I wanted and in what denominations and I had all I needed. No ATM machines that you have to worry about being robbed or other issues. I simply walked out of my hotel, crossed the street and in five minutes I had the cash in small denominations. And right before I left town I went back to the bank and exchanged my Colombian money for USD.

Bring your own condoms and anti-bacterial wipes. This is essential as the condoms the girls have are poor quality and for hygienic reasons bring the wipes that work best for you.

Set up an Uber account before you leave [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubercab&hl=en&gl=US[/URL] . I exclusively used Uber for the whole trip and it was inexpensive and effective. I never paid more than $4 USD for any trip I took.

Have a few non mongering things to do. You can't sleep with the girls 24 hours a day. I will list those out later.

Though many have suggested Tinder I was VERY successful with Bumble [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bumble.app&hl=en_SG[/URL] . I downloaded an app on my phone that can change my location [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en_US&gl=US[/URL] , changed my location to Bogota and was swiping. I made ALOT of contacts with Bumble. So Download Bumble before you go. Wait until I tell you about Refrigerator girl.

Get a VPN for your phone. It will be the best $10 you can spend. If you use the airport or hotel or any public wifi you have a very good chance of being hacked. This is very serious so spend the money to get it. I use Express VPN [URL]https://www.expressvpn.com/[/URL].

Google translate. I speak Spanish so I do not need it but download it. And then download the Spanish part so you can use it OFFLINE. Again no signal no Google live translate. So if you download the offline version you can still use it. Here is the link. [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.translate&26hl=en[/URL] and here is the link explaining using it offline [URL]https://support.google.com/translate/answer/6142473?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&hl=en[/URL].

Connect with Woodman09 on the board. I am an experienced monger but the measly $40 I paid him to show me around Santa Fe was invaluable. He showed you where to eat, places to hang out that were safe, FYI on the girls etc. Just spend the $40 for the two hours. Totally worth it and he is a gent to boot.

Bring several masks. They are required EVERYWHERE. I bought 5 fabric ones and would hand wash them. The pollution is bad enough in places that you would want to wear one anyway.

The Flight.

When flight day came I had my COVID test results printed and on my phone as well as have completed the CHECK-MIG form which I had on my phone. At the counter and the gate they checked both of them. I saw many people turned away because they did not have the correct COVID results (see above) or had not filled out CHECK-MIG. I actually made a COVID form as getting the results in time was a near impossibility where I live. Also one thing-RAPID COVID-19 test results ARE NOT acceptable. I learned at the airport that those tests are missing something technical / medical though I can't remember what it was.

The flight itself was uneventful. Everyone wore masks and there was no food / beverage service on the flight. Overwhelmingly everyone onboard was Colombian.

Arriving in Bogota.

At the airport itself you immediately saw all the airport / customs / immigration personnel literally walking around in HAZMAT suits. Hell they almost looked like NASA astronauts. They had two stations. The first station took your temperature (interestingly enough on your wrist-I have never seen that before). Once your temperature was determined to be acceptable you went to the immigration line. Before you got to the counter one of the HAZMAT / NASA cuties checked your COVID test and your CHECK-MIG form. When you got to the immigration counter they checked both of these items again and checked your passport.

I only brought a carry on (all I needed is clothes for a few days) so I didn't need to gather luggage. As you leave the luggage area on the right are two ATM's and a currency exchange place. For the love of God do not use these currency exchange places. Major rip off. I had my aforementioned BBVA account anyhow. As I went to leave that area customs stops you (along with two menacing dogs and two heavily armed police (I was actually impressed one of them had a IWI X95 (look it up)). I was asked if I have more than 10 k USD cash with me and I laughingly said no. That was it.

I walked outside and discovered my Verizon phone did not have a signal. I walked back inside, connected to the airport wifi and then my Express VPN and hailed the Uber. You need to walk across all three lanes to the parking lot in the middle. This is where the UBER will meet you. That parking lot (I believe it is called parking lot C) is dark as hell and I noticed during my trip that UBER may say the car is blue but it is actually white etc. So pay attention to the license plate and communicate with the drive through the app. Bogota airport location for your Google maps (remember to save these on your map on your phone.) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/bhHnmmDqxnhRvAbK9[/URL].

It was 25 k ($6 USD) from the airport to my hotel.

The Hotel.

I stayed at the IBIS Hotel Bogota [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/ADGkpCbLboEgVx7bA[/URL].

It was relatively cheap at $30 a night. I arrived late and the security guard, before he opens the locked glass entrance, makes you wash your hands at a sink just inside the door. And he watched intently you doing so. During my entire trip the staff was this way about washing your hands before entering. Sometimes they were too aggressive about it. I chose this hotel because it was modern, walking distance to Sante Fe, across from the BBVA bank and was close to Carrera 1 which is the road that can quickly take you to Chapinero where most of the casas are.

The room was sparsely furnished and was clean. The view was nice (see photos of the hotel and the view out of the room). The hotel had a low occupancy and I never ate there. The cleaning crew was annoying. They would just enter without knocking. They did this twice to my annoyance. And trust me guys these women were nothing to look at!

Money.

First thing that morning I walked out of the hotel and across the street and went to BBVA bank. [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/nnPm8wDFABrzLrYU7[/URL] They would only allow three people at a time inside the branch and when you enter they take your temperature on your wrist. I asked for $250 USD (I never even spent all of it) in small bills and I was out. Simple enough. I bought a nice waist money holder that had two zippers in which I kept my passport and phone in one and money in the other and it worked out well. [URL]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074C9QC1F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/URL].

Woodman09 and Santa Fe.

Woodman09 arrived as he said he would at the hotel lobby. We exchanged pleasantries and began what would be an informative few hours. We walked to Santa Fe from IBIS (I actually timed it when I did it alone and it was 14 minutes walking at a brisk pace) and he explained many things along the way. He explained the various streets, the girls, a nice bakery to take a load off a nice pharmacy where I bought some medicines to take back with me to the USA that require a prescription and are expensive as hell.

Of note, I tried Viagra for the first time. It didn't do anything for me at all. I threw the other pill away.

I would suggest you do your first trip to Santa Fe in the morning. There are not as many people (yes girls are there but not as many as the day wears on) and you can get a lay of the land. If you go at night for the first time it may be a bit overwhelming.

Santa Fe reminds me a bit of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome-especially at night. Now let me make something clear. Santa Fe was NOT scary or dangerous in my opinion. I know many have said that but it is a combination of Skid Row in LA (homeless and druggies but I never had anyone bother me when alone), Soi Cowboy in Bangkok and a very busy normal street in Santo Domingo. I snapped a photo from a distance (do not openly take photos or videos down here. I saw a guy do it and several guys accosted him verbally) and have included it in this report. I never had anyone bother me. Is this a place you flash Iwatches and cash and Iphones? No. But I took my phone out when I needed it (stepped into a doorway or off to the side) and did the same when I needed some of my cash (I kept 60 K in my pocket at all times and the rest in the waist holder. This always worked out fine.) I was never bothered.

There are all types of women here. Skinny, tall, MILFS, black, very young, very old. You name it and it is there. I even saw a preggo though I did not partake. Alot of people walking around were on their way someplace walking or guys hanging out in front of their shops (barber, convenience store etc) or the girls hanging on the corner or just inside the hotels. Frankly I saw very few women I would call 10's. Most were 7 or less. They were still attractive though. Every woman I saw on this trip sans one was a Venezuelan. I noticed the older women had alot of plastic surgery and were more aggressive in trying to get your attention than the younger ones. Frankly it doesn't feel that dangerous. I can see why at night it feels different however. Too many dark corners and very dark streets. I think if you monger in this area up until it gets dark there is still a very good selection of girls. You don't need to be here late at night to get what you want. The trannies would call out sometimes but they did this to everyone. I just kept walking and they went on to bother someone else. All the clubs are closed. I don't like clubs so it was fine with me.

I only took two girls in Santa Fe. Frankly it is not for me. The first girl I took I could see she had dark areola (and indication of pregnancy or recent pregnancy so she had milk). BTW-many of the girls have see through shirts and panties on. You can see everything. Anyhow I paid her 40 K ($10) and we got a room. Not five minutes after we were in the room comes the knock at the door. Goddamn ridiculous. I told the girl why are they knocking already and she said they always did it. I was a bit flustered knowing I would just get into banging this girl and the knock would come again. I played with her tits, made her drink some of her own milk and left. Hell it's only $10. Later I chose a lovely 100 LB 20 year old dark skinned Venezuelan girl. I told her I wanted 30 minutes and I even told the lady at the hotel she was in front of that I was paying for 30 minutes. Not TEN minutes later this same old lady knocks on the door! What the hell. I opened the door and asked her what the hell was she knocking for. She just walked away. I banged the girl for a few minutes and couldn't even cum so loud was the music in the place and hearing this woman knocking on other doors.

And that was my experience in Santa Fe. Nice to look at all the girls (I also got a great haircut there a few days later for $5. There are many barbers) etc but it wasn't for me. The ambience of the room is what killed it. I didn't ask any of the girls to my hotel room but the experience with the girls would most certainly be better than the damn door knocking in Santa Fe.

Plus the casa of Chapinero is what was so much better for me (I'll get to that later).

I walked back from Santa Fe to IBIS each time along this route. It's a straight shot and I felt safe even at night. Just walk straight down Carrera 10 from the hotel and make a right onto Calle 22 and you will be in the thick of Santa Fe just a few blocks down. If you go this way when you get to this gas station that begins Santa Fe [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/YMynxR3SAeSexZG68[/URL].

Here are the corners I marked as having a lot of girls though every street did.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/2n5A4geZoTcoWWDeA[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/41sRvBiRMcfMuu4J7[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/28PhNBsz84L8p4M19[/URL]

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/nwN2CTB3SqqbGPS88[/URL]

One nice thing about this area during the day. If you are walking back to IBIS go up to Carrera 7. The street is closed and there are many stores to go to including stores where you can get a SIM. Woodman09 took me to a phone store here and I quickly got a SIM with 2 GB. Walking back to IBIS (which is a straight shot from IBIS) I got a great burger and bought some souvenirs.

Chapinero.

Chapinero [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/VjDyxrQkeGvwYJQP7[/URL] is a very nice area of Bogota and where the great casas are. Should I come back to Bogota I will get a hotel here as despite the fact that many of the tourist sites are on the Santa Fe side of town. The great mongering, in my opinion, is in Chapinero.

So the next day I set out to the Mezzanine that has been mentioned here before. [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/guSG4CpdPo8q8Ngq5[/URL] . I got there in about 20 minutes in the UBER going up Carrera 1 road. The building is grey and non descript and across the street from a gas station. I've included many photos. You just walk up the steps and then you can only make a right as it's a balcony. There are four to six doors I think. Each of these small rooms has screens that show when someone is walking down the outside balcony. And then the gauntlet begins.

At each door 3-6 girls pop their heads out enticing you to come in. It's a bit overwhelming but take your time, say some nice words in Spanish and go from door to door. The doors near the end seem to be chock full of girls and they were all Venezuelan. Pay attention to what girl (s) seem interested in you rather than desperate for money. You can tell which ones it is. I chose a middle aged Vennie because after talking with them all the chemistry was there. She explained it was 100 k ($26 USD) for one hour including ejalculation. I found it hilarious she said ejalculation was included. We went to a room at the very end. The room had two massage areas in it separate by a door and a thin wall. The room with the massage table is just big enough for the table and to walk beside it. I talked to her for a few minutes (guys if you do not know Spanish you will struggle here in Bogota. Learn some before you come here in my opinion) and she really warmed up to me. Guys just don't bend her over. Ask her about her country, her kids and her family. Those three things will get them to open up and make the experience better. We had a great sexual experience (I use condoms for everything as I do not do BBBJ or BB) as I made her get on the edge of the table and I banged her front and doggy and finished by shooting on her boobs. The only thing I didn't like was the walls are so thin you can hear everything going on in the massage room next to you. In the hour I was there some girl got banged twice in that room. Some may like this but I didn't.

I liked Mezzanine so much I came back three times. I never went anywhere else (I'll explain).

Afterwards I was hungry and took an Uber to Hooters [URL]https://g.page/hooters-zona-t?share[/URL] (see some more girls in short shorts) in Zona T. The food was ok and there were only two waitresses working. They take your temperature before you enter and they are social distancing tables. Afterwards I went to the Adino Shopping mall down the street just to see it [URL]https://g.page/CentroAndino?share[/URL].

I then took a UBER the short distance to Abudubai Spa which was close by [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/yMPLktX8sSCsBiaZ9[/URL] . At first I could not find it because there is no street number on any building that said 12 a-25 #77. I finally realized that there is a garage gate to the street and the end of that garage gate is a door and a buzzer. When I looked through the garage gate / door I could see the number. If you look at the Google street view of this address you will see what I mean. I rang the buzzer and a 20's something guy came to the gate. I asked him if this was Abudubai Spa and he said no. I then asked him if he knew where it was and he said no. I was a bit shocked not knowing if it was really gone or he didn't want me as a customer. I don't know. I had intentions of grabbing an Uber and going to Chicas Mileano which was close by. But I said the hell with it and went back to Mezzanine! Before I get into my next Mezzanine experience here are some other casas in the Abudubai Spa area you can visit.

Tantra Spa [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/NfGZcSStqaRvfdD86[/URL].

Chicas Mileano [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/h9sM4NihPjWtewJB9[/URL].

Pussy House [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/AXTcYfDEYD7qBL2J8[/URL].

Across from Mezzanine I noticed a nice hotel named Hotel Dan Carlton [URL]https://g.page/danncarltonbogota?share[/URL] . Should I return to Bogota I am going to post up here. Right across the street from Mezzanine! And the same price as IBIS.

This time at Mezzanine I chose a MILF who looks just like Latina porn star named Kiara Marie. [URL]https://beeg.com/1291695513?t=9-429[/URL] [URL]https://bangbros.com/model52975/kiara-marie[/URL].

Guys I fucked the living hell out of this woman. She was a demon in that massage room. Dirty talk, gave me anal, let me shoot it on her face for an extra 30 K (its only $7 USD guys). What a great experience.

And with that I was hooked on the Mezzanine.

But then.

Bumble mom and daughter.

Guys I had made several Bumble contacts before I came and settled on this 19 year old COLOMBIAN (not Venezuelan for once). She was a student, lived in the Chapinero area and spoke English and we talked everyday for weeks. My second night there we had dinner at Buffalo Wings place [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/aeZoEjr66yhYExsv7[/URL].

I didn't try to get any that night as I simply wanted to have a nice dinner and meet her. The next day she invited me to her house to meet her mom and sister. Hell I have seen this before. Meet mom and the family first and then she puts out. Her mom was HOT. Hell I wanted her more than I wanted the daughter! Nevertheless I had lunch with them on their patio (I even wore a nice shirt with some Polo cologne LOL). Later that night my Colombiana called me and asked could she stop by the hotel because she was "in the area". Yeah right.

She wasn't in that room for three minutes and had her tongue down my throat. Before I knew it I was face fucking her with the bright lights of Bogota shining through the window. I fucked her twice before she left.

First thing the next morning she called and said her family wanted to take me to see Monserrate. It is a church on a mountain that you have to take a funicular to see. Her mom shows up in these short shorts that barely contained her ass. I included a photo of her mom and sisters ass as well as hers (my girl is in the blue stretch pants). Jesus I was hoping her mom would put out at some point. Anyway we had a nice day together. When I went to leave their house later that day the mom walked down to the street with me to wait for my Uber. As we round a corner to go to the street and conveniently out of view of anyone she French kisses me in the mouth and thanks me for being kind to her daughter. I then told her I can be kind to you too. She replied well we are going to look at refrigerators tomorrow and you can come and we shall see.

Ok I have heard this one before too.

Get the gringo to go shopping with you and get him to buy what you want (in this case a refrigerator). Needless to say I didn't go back the next day and they didn't even call! I never heard from the girl again. I was right about their motives!

I went back to Mezzanine a few times and I enjoyed myself. I really liked that I had an hour, a good choice of girls, a comfortable environement and only $30 a pop. I included one photo of a girl she sent though I blocked out her face. She is a nice girl.

Other notes.

Here are some great non mongering activities that are in the city:

Casa de Narino (president's house) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/mU2ftC6zTT9B2aSe8[/URL].

Bolivar Square [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/DXwFGLeV5JBV61YJA[/URL].

Simon Bolivars house [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/pucWmQvF2byahLGF7[/URL].

Monserrate [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/MuKXbwoKmZ55huh88[/URL].

US Embassy (if you are American of course) [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Azs47Nkt7khDVnDT8[/URL].

National Museum of Colombia [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/X15izJh5ZHFaY22D8[/URL].

Santa Maria Bullring [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/iLYfNmi3qq4rALiM6[/URL].

I never brought the Medellin milker to Bogota I mentioned in the Medellin forum. I had enough action as it was!

When you go to the airport to leave you are not required to have a COVID test but YOU ARE required to fill out the CHECK-MIG again. So do this before you leave.

Also here are a few places I ate at:

Voodoo [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/vSv3foGELydQpGK17[/URL].

Starbucks [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Njv3mnY6fqmWGvkh7[/URL].

Wing Stop [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/UGNyvGAnMcWRSUQw8[/URL].

Final Thoughts.

Everywhere you go someone is shouting at you to wash your hands or they are squirting or spraying some unknown liquid in your hands. It was really overwhelming and with that much aggressive attitude by everyone it became annoying. Yes COVID kills and yes it is dangerous but the level of near paranoia in Bogota makes me wonder why they even opened Colombia up to travelers. I even passed a restaurant where the wait staff were in Hazmat suits.

The airport is the same. Signs everywhere and staff telling you to do this and that as it relates to COVID.

Some girls in Santa Fe wore masks and some did not. None of the ladies did at Mezzanine. Hell even what I now call The Refrigerator Girl made me wash my hands before entering her home and entering her!

I'll be back to Bogota. And I will stay in Chapinero. But after a vaccine for COVID is developed.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=314794&d=1604429823[/URL]

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499214]Including Refrigerator Girl and the Llama LOL.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DetJunky;2499226]Great report.[/QUOTE]You do not have to copy the whole damn report to say, "Great report."

BTW Showdown, thank you for the outstanding report!

[QUOTE=TomJackin;2499315]You do not have to copy the whole damn report to say, "Great report. ".

BTW Showdown, thank you for the outstanding report![/QUOTE]Thanks Tom and everyone who PM'd me. This board has been invaluable over the years and I hope my report helps others in the future.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]She replied well we are going to look at refrigerators tomorrow and you can come and we shall see.

Ok I have heard this one before too.

Get the gringo to go shopping with you and get him to buy what you want (in this case a refrigerator). Needless to say I didn't go back the next day and they didn't even call! I never heard from the girl again. I was right about their motives![/QUOTE]Great report. I tell them call me when you finish.

I don't even shop at malls my damn self. I buy everything online. No way I am about to walk around a mall with a chick. Unfortunately, in a lot of places that is really all there is to do and the only suggestion most chicks can come up with.

Very nice report from showdown. Thanks.

You mentioned that the pussy house can be visited in the area of chapinero. Is this club open? And is the club just in front of the pussy house open as well? Can. T remember the name but it's a 2 stairs club. I visited those 2 twice in 2018 and 2019 and would like to know of they have re open after the lockdown, I had a nice time there.

Also FYI the chica milenio was already closed in summer of 2019, so that's not new. The casa just across the street in front of the chica milenio closed as well but I noticed that casas open and close everyday so better to walk through the streets to find out where the are.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2498873]
And I am not sure about Colombia but here in the USA sex prison, I am not seeing near the number of sick as shit Covid people as in July. Yeah, I know the numbers are as high as ever, but it seems like Covid now is on par with or a little worse than the flu. It sure was not 3, 4 months ago, so outside of avoiding people who look sick and are running a fever, nothing has changed for me.[/QUOTE]It's not "a little worse than the flu. " Wasn't 3 months ago and is not today. It's still 10 times deadlier than the flu. If you're talking about the lower death rate, that's because doctors have learned to treat it better. Death rate, however, is not the only metric. There are survivors who will likely have all kinds of chronic diseases for years if not for life.

Let's not lie to ourselves. Simply avoiding people who look sick is not going to cut it.

[URL]https://www.reportur.com/colombia/2020/11/04/viajeros-internacionales-ya-no-necesitan-pruebas-pcr-negativas/[/URL]

But you still need to do to do Check-Mig [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

Hopefully they will stop squirting all of these unknown gels / sprays all over your hands and arms LOL.

Showdown.

There are like 10 different appts claiming to be "seeking arrangements" for iPhone as well as like 5 different "sites" on the web. Anyone who has used one before with some success mind sharing which one?

Game Plan: [URL]Skokka.com[/URL], [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL]. Many of the ads seem to be spas and mini-brothels in apartments.

There's been a few spas mentioned here also. Might check those out.

Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Bookie77;2488196]They attack you because you give them the opportunity to do so. Will they attack for example in parque Lleras? No they won't. Will they attack inside a mall? No. Will they attack in a small alley even if you have eyes on your back? Probably. Do your eyes save you? No.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be so sure about where you won't get attacked. One afternoon in Medellin last year, at about 4 or 5 PM, one or two teenagers or young men were threatening another guy about the same age. One guy had a knife raised and slashed downwards multiple times threatening the guy. This went on for about a minute that I saw. Mind you, a crowd had already gathered in a semi-circle around the guys. Just watching. Probably thirty or forty people just standing back like ten feet watching. Many many others walking past each way. Minding their own business. This all happened just off Las Palmas on the pedestrian only street Junin, in centro.

I watched too, and thought about how rapidly a confrontation with someone with "just," a knife could go very bad, very quickly. That said, with eleven trips of three to five weeks to Colombia, I've yet to have any trouble. I'm white, 6' 2" but skinny, middle aged first trip but now 60. So I stand out as an obvious "rich," foreigner. Maybe my height scares would be robbers off to seek easier prey. Maybe because I never wear jewelry or watches I've been ruled out when thieves have been scanning for targets. I don't know. I hope my luck continues but I guess it could happen that one moment I've fine; next I'm bleeding out while telling myself, "This can't be happening!

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2489196]We had to wait in along line to be processed for Colombia, while Mexico the Dominican Republic and other countries were flying through because they did not require a PCR. Colombia is causing so much trouble and expense for a lot of visitors an nationals alike.[/QUOTE]Mexico has no covid restrictions. In other words, one would imagine there's a higher chance of a Mexican bringing covid with them than an American or Canadian. Yet Mexicans didn't need a PCR test? The mind boggles.

(I say "didn't," need a PCR test because apparently the PCR test requirement was or soon will be removed.).

[QUOTE=Combo;2490832]Mongering is the antithesis of social distancing.[/QUOTE]Not if you have a ten foot pole!

Excellent report Showdown! The first and only one since March. I even learned a couple of things, such as the possibility to get cash from a BBVA desk with a BBVA account abroad. I also have never used Bumble in Colombia, didn't know it could work. And yes you are right, even if you always can get laid, there is no fun spending time in Bogota during the pandemic. I live here, cannot travel, so I just try to focus on my business and earn as much money as I can in order to spend it again when things get back to normal. Very funny your story with the refrigerator girl. That's the good part of Bogota, it's not only about mongering, anything can happen. Do you realize you could have fucked daughter AND mum for the price of a refrigerator? Haha!!

[QUOTE=Routard;2499960]. Do you realize you could have fucked daughter AND mum for the price of a refrigerator? Haha!![/QUOTE]Now that's some cold shit.

[QUOTE=Routard;2499960]Do you realize you could have fucked daughter AND mum for the price of a refrigerator? Haha!![/QUOTE]Fuck that. I did it in Thailand for $50.

[QUOTE=Routard;2499960]Excellent report Showdown! The first and only one since March. I even learned a couple of things, such as the possibility to get cash from a BBVA desk with a BBVA account abroad. I also have never used Bumble in Colombia, didn't know it could work. And yes you are right, even if you always can get laid, there is no fun spending time in Bogota during the pandemic. I live here, cannot travel, so I just try to focus on my business and earn as much money as I can in order to spend it again when things get back to normal. Very funny your story with the refrigerator girl. That's the good part of Bogota, it's not only about mongering, anything can happen. Do you realize you could have fucked daughter AND mum for the price of a refrigerator? Haha!![/QUOTE]I know that girl. She keeps telling me she is in Manizales LOL. And that's her roommate, not her mom.

Also, what you mean you can't travel? I've been all over the country in the past couple months.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2500023]Fuck that. I did it in Thailand for $50.[/QUOTE]Done that here too. It's not as hard as people think.

[QUOTE=Routard;2499960]Excellent report Showdown! The first and only one since March. I even learned a couple of things, such as the possibility to get cash from a BBVA desk with a BBVA account abroad. I also have never used Bumble in Colombia, didn't know it could work. And yes you are right, even if you always can get laid, there is no fun spending time in Bogota during the pandemic. I live here, cannot travel, so I just try to focus on my business and earn as much money as I can in order to spend it again when things get back to normal. Very funny your story with the refrigerator girl. That's the good part of Bogota, it's not only about mongering, anything can happen. Do you realize you could have fucked daughter AND mum for the price of a refrigerator? Haha!![/QUOTE]Here in Bocachica over an span of three days I fucked mother, daughter and niece for 6,200 DOP, same price I paid for a just delivered microwave. The 18's know about the mother, she does not know about me and the teens.

[QUOTE=Yonkers44;2500053]Here in Bocachica over an span of three days I fucked mother, daughter and niece for 6,200 DOP, same price I paid for a just delivered microwave. The 18's know about the mother, she does not know about me and the teens.[/QUOTE]I am in Boca Chica right now. Where them hoes at?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2499778]Game Plan: [URL]Skokka.com[/URL], [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL]. Many of the ads seem to be spas and mini-brothels in apartments.

There's been a few spas mentioned here also. Might check those out.

Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]I did some research on these same services. (In between SA girls) and a few seem legit & doable. Might also look into the Love Motels. Good luck and enjoy! Ask Woodman for a tour, it's worth it.

[QUOTE=BangoCheito;2500044]Done that here too. It's not as hard as people think.[/QUOTE]To each his own, brother. The daughter: yes, the mother: hell no. That's gross as shit. I had that opportunity for free in Nicaragua. I asked the daughter out who was a friend of somebody staying at the same hotel I was. We hung out for the day, and went back to her place. I met her two sisters and mother, the father had left years ago. After eating a nacatamale, the mother came onto me! I looked at her like wtf? I'm not screwing some 38-year-old, way too old. I keep my range 18-22. I was hoping one of the sisters would be up for it, but she wasn't. More power to you though.

I've been to Bogota twice and stayed at the Tequendama both times. I like the comfort of the hotel and the proximity to Santa Fe. The main problem I've experienced is they don't admit Venezuelan girls (none of them have passports apparently) to the rooms. I hate the dirty rooms the street girls take you to in Santa Fe.

1. Can anybody confirm with certainty that this is not the case with Tequendama Suites or San Francisco?

2. Are there any Airbnbs nearby that don't make you do the walk of shame or at least will let a Venezuelan chick in with her cedula? All I really need is a clean homebase near Santa Fe to shower and relax between rounds.

3. Are guest policies even stricter post-covid?

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2500086]I did some research on these same services. (In between SA girls) and a few seem legit & doable. Might also look into the Love Motels. Good luck and enjoy! Ask Woodman for a tour, it's worth it.[/QUOTE]Just clarifying that you understand what a love motel is. Your post appears to suggest you're considering the love motels as some type of brothel.

It's simply a motel or hotel that rents rooms short term. I think the standard in Bogota is 4 hours, but it's been a few years since I researched. You have to provide your own girls.

It's a good option if you're staying somewhere that doesn't allow guests. Check first because they may not all be open. There are several close to Pussy House.

[QUOTE=Yonkers44;2500053]Here in Bocachica over an span of three days I fucked mother, daughter and niece for 6,200 DOP, same price I paid for a just delivered microwave. The 18's know about the mother, she does not know about me and the teens.[/QUOTE]Oh, so they weren't all together with 6969 action?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2500058]I am in Boca Chica right now. Where them hoes at?[/QUOTE]Boca Chica, qué chica? LOL.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2500088]To each his own, brother. The daughter: yes, the mother: hell no. That's gross as shit. I had that opportunity for free in Nicaragua. I asked the daughter out who was a friend of somebody staying at the same hotel I was. We hung out for the day, and went back to her place. I met her two sisters and mother, the father had left years ago. After eating a nacatamale, the mother came onto me! I looked at her like wtf? I'm not screwing some 38-year-old, way too old. I keep my range 18-22. I was hoping one of the sisters would be up for it, but she wasn't. More power to you though.[/QUOTE]I dunno man, there's something about seeing a girl lick the place she was born from.

As of November, how safe is Santa Fe (la zona) area compared to El Centro / Botero area in Medellin? Thanks.

1. Can anybody confirm with certainty that this is not the case with Tequendama Suites or San Francisco?

Tequendama Suites will allow I've stayed there a few times before.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]

Of note, I tried Viagra for the first time. It didn't do anything for me at all. I threw the other pill away.

[/QUOTE]Great report, and you seem like an intelligent person, but I'll ask anyway; did you read the instructions? Were they real? Could have been fakes, if you bought them from a peddler on the street then they are most likely fakes. If you can achieve an erection without a pill, why would you even think about taking one? What did you hope to achieve? If you have trouble getting an erection then best to take it on an empty stomach, don't mix it with alcohol, and wait for at least 30 to 60 minutes, and then you need to be sexually aroused in the normal way, eg being with a female and engaging in foreplay or by looking at a porn video. You won't get an erection by simply looking at your dick!

Some of the clubs are open secretly -- Atonis for one -- Have not gone myself, But I hear it is pretty good. Seems like there have been a few less girls on street so they are probably in clubs.

[QUOTE=IrishA;2500186]1. Can anybody confirm with certainty that this is not the case with Tequendama Suites or San Francisco?

Tequendama Suites will allow I've stayed there a few times before.[/QUOTE]Awesome. Thanks for that. How was the wifi there? It gets bad reviews but I haven't seen anything in the last 5 years.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2500202]Great report, and you seem like an intelligent person, but I'll ask anyway; did you read the instructions? Were they real? Could have been fakes, if you bought them from a peddler on the street then they are most likely fakes. If you can achieve an erection without a pill, why would you even think about taking one? What did you hope to achieve? If you have trouble getting an erection then best to take it on an empty stomach, don't mix it with alcohol, and wait for at least 30 to 60 minutes, and then you need to be sexually aroused in the normal way, eg being with a female and engaging in foreplay or by looking at a porn video. You won't get an erection by simply looking at your dick![/QUOTE]For the good laugh! Couldn't help but LOL at this one.

I intentionally brought ONE credit card to Bogota with me to avoid anything bad happening. I use this card every few months just to show activity(I buy a stick of gum or something).

So surprise today when I see THREE charges made for Amazon and ONE charge made for a charity with no internet web presence (I got SMS notifications on my phone so I knew instantly). These charges were all made within minutes of each other this morning. I called the bank and they said the charges are pending but they would cancel the card and send another. And if the charges did post their would assist me in getting a fraud report and having the charges reversed. The total charges came up to $225.

I only used my card over a week ago in Bogota at five places that I thought would be safe:

1. Buffalo Wild Wings: Av Calle 116 ##15 b-62, Bogot, Colombia.

2. Hooters: Cra. 13 #83-24, Bogot, Cundinamarca, Colombia.

3. Starbucks: Ac. 82 #11-42, Bogot, Colombia.

4. The shop in the airport once you past security (its pretty large).

5. Uber(but that is through the app so I dont believe it was Uber)

Now given these were all businesses and not some random store, I watched them bring the card reader to me and I swiped my card myself. I figured I would be safe using them there (three of the places are chain stores).

Obviously I was wrong. If I had used the card someplace else in the USA or carried the card all the time I would not be surprised. But one of these four places has a thief there selling or using customers credit card information. When I wasn't using the card I had it in a RFID pouch. Funny how you can fraudulently use a credit card with no three digit number from the back and no customer zip code.

I've never had this happen before so its a bit of a shock. But lesson learned. Nevertheless be wary at these businesses. Their is a thief afoot!

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Mdemde;2500202]Great report, and you seem like an intelligent person, but I'll ask anyway; did you read the instructions? Were they real? Could have been fakes, if you bought them from a peddler on the street then they are most likely fakes. If you can achieve an erection without a pill, why would you even think about taking one? What did you hope to achieve? If you have trouble getting an erection then best to take it on an empty stomach, don't mix it with alcohol, and wait for at least 30 to 60 minutes, and then you need to be sexually aroused in the normal way, eg being with a female and engaging in foreplay or by looking at a porn video. You won't get an erection by simply looking at your dick![/QUOTE]Woodman took me to a pharmacy in Santa Fe that he has used previously and I purchased the Viagra. I don't think your purchase option can be more legitimate in Colombia. And Woodman discussed how to use the pill as you described and I did just that. It simply made no difference when I visited the casa after taking it 1. 5 hours previously.

I was curious, took it and it was not effective for me. Case closed.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2500383]
Now given these were all businesses and not some random store, I watched them bring the card reader to me and I swiped my card myself. I figured I would be safe using them there (three of the places are chain stores).[/QUOTE]Use cash for absolutely everything, taxi rides to hotels, and you'll never have to worry about those problems. That's all I've ever done at home and abroad, and it works perfectly.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2500383]I intentionally brought ONE credit card to Bogota with me to avoid anything bad happening. I use this card every few months just to show activity(I buy a stick of gum or something).

So surprise today when I see THREE charges made for Amazon and ONE charge made for a charity with no internet web presence (I got SMS notifications on my phone so I knew instantly). These charges were all made within minutes of each other this morning. I called the bank and they said the charges are pending but they would cancel the card and send another. And if the charges did post their would assist me in getting a fraud report and having the charges reversed. The total charges came up to $225.

I only used my card over a week ago in Bogota at five places that I thought would be safe:

1. Buffalo Wild Wings: Av Calle 116 ##15 b-62, Bogot, Colombia.

2. Hooters: Cra. 13 #83-24, Bogot, Cundinamarca, Colombia.

3. Starbucks: Ac. 82 #11-42, Bogot, Colombia..[/QUOTE]I have never used a sleeve and I've been using my CC for years in Colombia. I have used it on Uber, Hooters and Buffalo Wild wings, never a problem. Carrying cash in Bogota is not the best idea either. What I do is keep most of my cash in a account without a debit card and only transfer as much cash as I need into the debit card. I've had more problems on Seeking Arrangement with an online cash app than I have anywhere else. Stay away.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499691][URL]https://www.reportur.com/colombia/2020/11/04/viajeros-internacionales-ya-no-necesitan-pruebas-pcr-negativas/[/URL]

But you still need to do to do Check-Mig [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

Hopefully they will stop squirting all of these unknown gels / sprays all over your hands and arms LOL.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]If you still need that Migration-app and it asks you to down load a covid test Then I guess you still need the covid test. Yes? Or I I missing something here?

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]
I only took two girls in Santa Fe. Frankly it is not for me...Not five minutes after we were in the room comes the knock at the door. Goddamn ridiculous. I told the girl why are they knocking already and she said they always did it...I told her I wanted 30 minutes and I even told the lady at the hotel she was in front of that I was paying for 30 minutes. Not TEN minutes later this same old lady knocks on the door! What the hell. I opened the door and asked her what the hell was she knocking for. She just walked away. I banged the girl for a few minutes and couldn't even cum so loud was the music in the place and hearing this woman knocking on other doors.[/QUOTE]Are all the rooms like this in Santa Fe (rushed)? Hotel Botero in Medellin (Centro) was about fifteen mil for two hours, while the hotels where the girls would stand in front of were the same rushed experience. Are there any hotels in Santa Fe that are like Hotel Botero?

Also, how much is an hour for a Santa Fe chica? Thanks.

I contacted an ad from Mileroticos. She looked good in the ad (don't they all) although no face pics. She looked not as good in person but decent enough to proceed. I'm tired of this fake picture nonsense everywhere I go.

She could barely give head without hitting me with her teeth. Her pussy was dry as hell. I asked if she could use some lubrication and she used some hand lotion instead of proper lubrication.

Her face has such a look of boredom on it that I just quit after a few minutes without getting off.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2500629]Are all the rooms like this in Santa Fe (rushed)? Hotel Botero in Medellin (Centro) was about fifteen mil for two hours, while the hotels where the girls would stand in front of were the same rushed experience. Are there any hotels in Santa Fe that are like Hotel Botero?

Also, how much is an hour for a Santa Fe chica? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can pay a little more for more time. The problem with most of the rooms, IMO is how dirty and disgusting they are. At least in Tijuana, you usually have some sort of facilities to wash your dick off. No such luck in SF.

I've found that the girls are willing to do quite a bit for double their standard charge.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2500653]You can pay a little more for more time. The problem with most of the rooms, IMO is how dirty and disgusting they are. At least in Tijuana, you usually have some sort of facilities to wash your dick off. No such luck in SF.

I've found that the girls are willing to do quite a bit for double their standard charge.[/QUOTE]In my second instance I did pay for more time and they still knocked on the door early. For me I would never go back to Santa Fe and use one of their rooms. I would have to find a girl that was willing to go someplace where I wasn't rushed. And the rooms didn't seem very hygienic to me either. But I guess what can you expect for a room that's designed for this? It's not the Ritz-Carlton.

Showdown.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2500653]You can pay a little more for more time. The problem with most of the rooms, IMO is how dirty and disgusting they are. At least in Tijuana, you usually have some sort of facilities to wash your dick off. No such luck in SF.

I've found that the girls are willing to do quite a bit for double their standard charge.[/QUOTE]I don't know Where / when you were in SF last-- Many of the hotels actually have remodeled and have very nice rooms-- And I have never been in one that did not have a bathroom-- usually cold water tho.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2500409]If you still need that Migration-app and it asks you to down load a covid test Then I guess you still need the covid test. Yes? Or I I missing something here?[/QUOTE]Just upload some BS instead of that if it does not let you advance without uploading something.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2500638]I contacted an ad from Mileroticos. She looked good in the ad (don't they all) although no face pics. She looked not as good in person but decent enough to proceed. I'm tired of this fake picture nonsense everywhere I go.

She could barely give head without hitting me with her teeth. Her pussy was dry as hell. I asked if she could use some lubrication and she used some hand lotion instead of proper lubrication.

Her face has such a look of boredom on it that I just quit after a few minutes without getting off.[/QUOTE]I found a "spa" on [URL]Skokka.com[/URL] that says they'll have 12 girls for me to choose from tomorrow. I think I'll have better luck with that.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2500657]In my second instance I did pay for more time and they still knocked on the door early. For me I would never go back to Santa Fe and use one of their rooms. I would have to find a girl that was willing to go someplace where I wasn't rushed. And the rooms didn't seem very hygienic to me either. But I guess what can you expect for a room that's designed for this? It's not the Ritz-Carlton.

Showdown.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2500653]You can pay a little more for more time. The problem with most of the rooms, IMO is how dirty and disgusting they are. At least in Tijuana, you usually have some sort of facilities to wash your dick off. No such luck in SF.

I've found that the girls are willing to do quite a bit for double their standard charge.[/QUOTE]Damn, so there's no hotel in SF where you can rent a room for 2 hours with a shower for like 15 mil? Does Hotel San Francisco do hourly rooms? Thanks.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2500676]Damn, so there's no hotel in SF where you can rent a room for 2 hours with a shower for like 15 mil? Does Hotel San Francisco do hourly rooms? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Right in the middle of SF, there is a place called Santa Fe suites. Location is perfect. But I took a tour of the rooms and it was like a crack house inside. Worse than some of the short time motels around.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2500683]Right in the middle of SF, there is a place called Santa Fe suites. Location is perfect. But I took a tour of the rooms and it was like a crack house inside. Worse than some of the short time motels around.[/QUOTE]It's one area where mongering is clearly superior in Asia. They have an abundance of clean convenient accommodations for mongers. It would be cool if somebody fixed some apartments up nice in the zona and opened it up for rent.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2500676]Damn, so there's no hotel in SF where you can rent a room for 2 hours with a shower for like 15 mil? Does Hotel San Francisco do hourly rooms? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Actually there are a few decent hotels there-- Also nearby. You definitely could find a place for 2 hours probably cost like $30 mil.

[QUOTE=TopoChico571;2500676]Damn, so there's no hotel in SF where you can rent a room for 2 hours with a shower for like 15 mil? Does Hotel San Francisco do hourly rooms? Thanks.[/QUOTE]This hotel is located at Carrera 15 No 22 -25. I have stayed overnight at this place numerous times. Street chicas always taking dates to their rooms. I haven't been back to Bogota in a year. Check the place out and advise us of their current policy.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2500664]I don't know Where / when you were in SF last-- Many of the hotels actually have remodeled and have very nice rooms-- And I have never been in one that did not have a bathroom-- usually cold water tho.[/QUOTE]Very nice. These are hourly hotels in SF? Are they legit hourly or knocking every 5 minutes until they rush you out of there? Thanks.

[QUOTE=HoLover1;2500728]This hotel is located at Carrera 15 No 22 -25. I have stayed overnight at this place numerous times. Street chicas always taking dates to their rooms. I haven't been back to Bogota in a year. Check the place out and advise us of their current policy.[/QUOTE]Do they have hot water?

Google lists it as Hotel Residencias Normandia Ltda.

I guess I've just been spoiled by the infrastructure in Asia and in San Jose Costa Rica back when you could bring girls to the Hotel Presidente.

Does anyone know if any of the clubs up in ZonaT are starting to open back up? Planning a trip down there in Dec and while I'm hearing casas are opening back up, not sure how much things are still closed down.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]I only took two girls in Santa Fe. Frankly it is not for me. The first girl I took I could see she had dark areola (and indication of pregnancy or recent pregnancy so she had milk). BTW-many of the girls have see through shirts and panties on. You can see everything. Anyhow I paid her 40 K ($10) and we got a room. Not five minutes after we were in the room comes the knock at the door. Goddamn ridiculous. I told the girl why are they knocking already and she said they always did it. I was a bit flustered knowing I would just get into banging this girl and the knock would come again. I played with her tits, made her drink some of her own milk and left. Hell it's only $10. Later I chose a lovely 100 LB 20 year old dark skinned Venezuelan girl. I told her I wanted 30 minutes and I even told the lady at the hotel she was in front of that I was paying for 30 minutes. Not TEN minutes later this same old lady knocks on the door! What the hell. I opened the door and asked her what the hell was she knocking for. She just walked away. I banged the girl for a few minutes and couldn't even cum so loud was the music in the place and hearing this woman knocking on other doors.

And that was my experience in Santa Fe. Nice to look at all the girls (I also got a great haircut there a few days later for $5. There are many barbers) etc but it wasn't for me. The ambience of the room is what killed it. I didn't ask any of the girls to my hotel room but the experience with the girls would most certainly be better than the damn door knocking in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TopoChico571;2500629]Are all the rooms like this in Santa Fe (rushed)? Hotel Botero in Medellin (Centro) was about fifteen mil for two hours, while the hotels where the girls would stand in front of were the same rushed experience. Are there any hotels in Santa Fe that are like Hotel Botero?

Also, how much is an hour for a Santa Fe chica? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Much love and respect to all and certainly SF is not for everyone nor the faint of heart. I look at SF as a place you just need to experience and see for yourself if it fits your style. It is what it is.

And gawd I all too well know that knock on the door BS that is prevalent in SF. This is the biggest draw back for me not being excited about my next visit. I usually visit Bogota once or twice a year and always need to get my fix in with SF hoes.

Last year I took a girl upstairs from one of the clubs, I think Atunes, and paid for 30 minutes then at the 15 minute mark that sorry ass * madam knocked on my door and I went fucking haywire, I cursed and cussed so much, picture the Tall Man standing naked with a half hard-on in the hallway yelling at that puta mamsan, that they called the bouncer on me, fuck them all, I am bigger and stronger than that bouncer and was livid. Well I did calm down and dressed and spoke to the manager, that POS, spoke again to the two bouncers at the door, these poor slobs were only doing their job and actually I returned a few hours later to apologize to the bouncer, he was cool, go square with him.

The point is the dreaded knock on the door, not at the 25 minute mark, no but 15 minutes into it.

I scared the holy mother of jesus out of my poor girl, poor thing a cute slender very pretty newer chica bar girl. I took care of her as it was not her doing.

Gawd how I hate the time limits and this was in a legitimate bar and some some 5 mil for 20 minute skank dirty room on the street.

BTW I can't wait to return to SF as we all love these bitches, hehehehehe.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2500855]Do they have hot water?

Google lists it as Hotel Residencias Normandia Ltda.

I guess I've just been spoiled by the infrastructure in Asia and in San Jose Costa Rica back when you could bring girls to the Hotel Presidente.[/QUOTE]I got my hotel info off of an old business card. I stayed there the end of last year. I never had a problem getting hot water. You can check out the room before renting.

I went to a place with 10 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some with 22 yo and 23 yo for 300,000 cop. 350,000 after the voluntary tip.

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2500885]... paid for 30 minutes then at the 15 minute mark that sorry ass * madam knocked on my door...Gawd how I hate the time limits and this was in a legitimate bar and some some 5 mil for 20 minute skank dirty room on the street.

BTW I can't wait to return to SF as we all love these bitches, hehehehehe.[/QUOTE]Haha, it's an adventure I guess. You were completely in the right. How much did this supposed "30 minute" room cost? How much might an "hour" cost? If a guy showed up with a stopwatch (not on a phone) as a way to avoid the knock, would they think he's nuts?

[QUOTE=HoLover1;2500978]I got my hotel info off of an old business card. I stayed there the end of last year. I never had a problem getting hot water. You can check out the room before renting.[/QUOTE]So is Hotel Residencias Normandia an hourly hotel? Are there other hourly options within SF / La Zona?

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2500995]I went to a place with 10 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some with 22 yo and 23 yo for 300,000 cop. 350,000 after the voluntary tip.[/QUOTE]This is overpriced, be careful you are making the market more expensive for all mongers including you.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2500995]I went to a place with 10 girls to choose from. Had a 3 some with 22 yo and 23 yo for 300,000 cop. 350,000 after the voluntary tip.[/QUOTE]Where was this place?

December 6-12. My first time back. Indeed my first mongering trip in over a year. Can't wait to leave my genetic mark on some Santa Fe spinners.

Woodman,

Do you still have some vids up on you tube?

[QUOTE=YyzTravel;2501156]Where was this place?[/QUOTE]Am I allowed to leave a WhatsApp number on here? I forgot which ad it was on Skokka.

[QUOTE=NRandom940;2501271]Am I allowed to leave a WhatsApp number on here? I forgot which ad it was on Skokka.[/QUOTE]I don't think so, but you can PM me, and I will go and find the ad for everyone, and then repost it for everyone. That work?

[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2500885]Last year I took a girl upstairs from one of the clubs, I think Atunes, and paid for 30 minutes then at the 15 minute mark that sorry ass * madam knocked on my door and I went fucking haywire, I cursed and cussed so much, picture the Tall Man standing naked with a half hard-on in the hallway yelling at that puta mamsan, that they called the bouncer on me, fuck them all, I am bigger and stronger than that bouncer and was livid.[/QUOTE]I did not have too much fun there either. It is much cheaper to play in the club then out, but I had several different bad experiences.

I may sound like I snob here, but the rooms and beds at these clubs are so disgusting and so uncomfortable, I was able to cum like one of the eight or ten times I went inside of them. It really distracted from the experience. My knees felt like they were on carboard instead of a bed. Then my legs seemed to bang onto the frame at the end of the bed in one place. I only busted a nut one time when I was in the club, and it was with a girl I had seen before.

Woodman showed me a newer hotel in SF that was decent but most of the places I have gone with streetwalkers were better than the clubs but they were barely been above sanitary as well.

What I have found is you go to the club rooms for a test drive and then invite the women back to Ibis for the best experience. For all the playing with SBs, I found two hot Vennie coke working girls who were the best in the sack the first time I went to Bogota. One girl I rushed away because I had a date (and wished I had not) and the other stayed the night for $80, and that was one of the best experiences of my life. That Vennie could suck, fuck, and move like no other, and she was smoking hot to boot.

The street girl's hotels offer 1 hour stays for 20 mil. You'd have to negotiate the length of time / rate with girl.

Santa Fe Hotels. Pre-covid.

Santa Fe suites. Rooms were 30-40 mil all night. They'd ask for a photocopy of your ID / passport. Charge 10 mil per "guest" and ask to see her ID.

Hotel Normandia - 30 mil all night. Don't ask for your ID. Charge 10 mil per "guest" and sometimes ask to see her ID. This place has some working girls. Softer bed.

Hotel Troya - 40-50 mil all night. Ask for your ID. Charge 10 mil per "guest" and ask to see her ID. Rooms have kitchenette and fridge.

I would usually book a room at one of these hotels all night and bring girls there. It's easier if you session with them prior to build some trust / get their number. My club Troya chick would meet me at the hotel before her shift. These hotels have hot water. But sometimes it's out of service (Santa Fe Suites had this issue). Take a pair of flip flops to protect your feet in the shower / bathroom. WIFI at all the hotels, although Normandia was undependable.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2501110]This is overpriced, be careful you are making the market more expensive for all mongers including you.[/QUOTE]What is the current market rate? I'm sure it's different between Santa Fe - Chapinero - ZonaT, but just looking for a general idea here of what to look to pay for casas, short time and TLN.

[QUOTE=Showdown;2499213]To enter Colombia at this time you need two things in addition to your passport.

A COVID-19 test that shows you are negative for the virus. This test must be taken atleast 96 hours before your flight departure. The test must have two things on it that are vital-the date you took the test and received the results AND must have the words SARS-CoV-2,NAA and PCR test on it. I am not a medical professional but without these two things the airlines in the USA WILL NOT let you board.

You must complete the Check-MIG form online or on the app. This form must be filled out BEFORE you fly and BEFORE you depart Colombia. On each end of your flight they will ask for it and you must show it either in printed form or on your phone. Here is the link to the form [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great report. Just wanted to update everyone on entry requirements. You no longer need a CoVid19 test.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/message-for-u-s-citizens-limited-resumption-of-routine-american-citizen-services-2/[/URL]

You can also check United's website:

[URL]https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/travel/international-map.html[/URL]

The Migracion application is still required.

[URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL]

Safe travels gents.