Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok

[size=+3][color=red][b]To All Bestards[/b][/color][/size][b]
[size=+3][color=green]Happy New Year 2008
And May The Joys Of LOS Keep Cumming[/color][/size][/b]

Staying at the Lodge over new year's eve, there was no question that the Sports Bar would be the place for ringing in 2008 in style. The ladies (and, I must add, also the gents) dressed up nicely for the occasion. And our caring host Giotto introduced his new music computer: During the last few days he had been glued to the computer screen, building up and categorizing his infinite music library (and yes, he played some Hip Hop too!).

Luckily Ms. S., who I had barfined the night before, showed no signs of making the usual claims for possession. She had declared that having been "the first one" was fair enough for her, now that's what I call professional. So I was all set for an interesting night. And interesting it was, though not quite in the ways I expected ...

Upon arrival I had the honour of meeting Mick, the newly crowned King of the Soapies, who was taking a break from his excruciating research. Or replacing it with a different kind of research temporarily? Anyway, as the night went on, the skills of DJ Giotto (assisted by considerable quantities of alcohol) got the party going. It became even better when it seamlessly transformed into the 1st Livingstone Staff Party of 2008. The strip show was world-class - maybe Giotto can post some pictures :)

From then on everything [i]should[/i] have been quite straightforward: find a girl and ring in the new year in nice company. But to complicate things a bit I had spent the night so far chatting and playing (my very lousy) pool with two ladies who weren't from the bar. Never mind, I thought, because their plan to continue the party at CM2 sounded promising enough to me. What I didn't know at that point (but thanks to M.L. I was soon enlightened): one of the ladies who had been such good fun was - no one else but Mrs. G. herself; so not really an option unless I wanted my balls sliced up and fed to the ducks by Dr. G. ;) So with CM2 closing anyway and the new day dawning, the girls brought me for breakfast to some dining & karaoke place, and by that time hopes and stamina for further activities had all but vanished - while the outlook of a nice and comfy deluxe bed on the Lodge's first floor became a very tantalizing thought ... even without the prospect of anything but sleep :o

First lesson in 2008: You can't always get what you want - but sometimes it doesn't matter that much anyway!

[size=+2]Happy New Year to everyone![/size]

YY

(.. and now it's time to compensate for last night's lack of activities ...)

[QUOTE=Daddy San]A happy new year to everyone and especially to Giotto.

A question to Giotto:

I understand that Livingstone's is guest friendly.

Does this "hospitality" include ALL temporary GFs, even those from other, competing establishments and also FLs, or is it limited to the "house" cuties?[/QUOTE]

While I can't speak for Giotto I can say that I did have outside girls come by without any trouble, all with his knowledge and blessing, but there are things to consider:

1. I also took frequently from within Giotto's stable. He has bills to pay as well and his girls are of good quality.
2. Giotto's girls will notice and will get jealous. Of course, I think that is a good thing.
3. You can have breakfast with them, but [b]do not bring them into the bar[/b], at least at night; trouble [u]will[/u] ensue. Of course, as a spectator and not proprietor I would enjoy watching that debacle.

I personally think it would be rude to stay at Giotto's and never take a girl out of his bar. But heck Giotto knows better than anyone that a man needs variety and will likely offer some suggestions on where to pursue some other ladies on Cowboy or AMPs.

Giotto, correct me if I am wrong.

2J

Let's ring in 2008 with some philosophical soul searching...

Back when I stayed at Giotto's I remember there were a couple girls working his check-in counter. They were pretty enough but nothing special. These girls are strictly off limits of course. And because of this, despite the parade of 'tang that was roaming the place all I could think of when walking past the reception was bending these babes over and checking in some additional baggage, so to speak.

Fortunately I respect Giotto as the owner and as a friend, so I did not try and side deal anything whilst he was away. But I am sure many have tried and maybe even succeeded.

So why is it that we do this? Why are we like moths to the flame, harbingers of our own destruction, constantly sacrificing quality tang and healthy relationships to pursue trouble? By trouble I mean women already in relationships or marriages, women who are drama queens, women that play hard to get, women that we know are Black Widow Spiders yet we cannot resist?

Does forbidden fruit really taste so sweet?

2J

[QUOTE=Daddy San]Does this "hospitality" include ALL temporary GFs, even those from other, competing establishments and also FLs, or is it limited to the "house" cuties?[/QUOTE]

I've had from the bar and I've taken ladies from the outside in and I can tell you for a fact that the staff at Livingstones (including the ladies and Giotto himself) treated the girls I brought IN excellent.

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I've had from the bar and I've taken ladies from the outside in and I can tell you for a fact that the staff at Livingstones (including the ladies and Giotto himself) treated the girls I brought IN excellent.[/QUOTE]

Unless: you have started to establish a rapport with one lady in particular, i.e. seen one of Giotto's girls several nights in a row and maybe even taken some tours with her (like I did with May). Then the drama will begin. Not that it will really affect you, as the guest you can get away with stuff like that.

I personally felt it was a good idea to keep the house girls and the outside girls separate from each other, and I am sure Giotto will agree.

2J

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]
2. Giotto's girls will notice and will get jealous.
Giotto, correct me if I am wrong.
2J[/QUOTE]

You're wrong :D

Speaking for myself - I've brought girls from outside to my room and never had a problem with ownership or anyone.

I've never brought a girl into the bar but have seen fellow mongers bring them in....again never a problem with ownership or the girls. His bar is like any bar on Soi 33.

And barfining different girls from the bar is not a problem. The girl(s) might act jealous but trust me, they know it's a business. Just be nice and polite to them all, buy them a round of drinks and everyone will be happy.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]You're wrong :D[/QUOTE]

Ok, I stand corrected.

When I was there Giotto soft-selled otherwise when I asked to bring an outsider to dinner. But now that I think about it, there was an additional reason for that which I forgot (but am not at liberty to mention).

Thanks for setting me straight.

2J

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]Unless: you have started to establish a rapport with one lady in particular, i.e. seen one of Giotto's girls several nights in a row and maybe even taken some tours with her (like I did with May). Then the drama will begin. Not that it will really affect you, as the guest you can get away with stuff like that.

I personally felt it was a good idea to keep the house girls and the outside girls separate from each other, and I am sure Giotto will agree.

2J[/QUOTE]

If you are taking a girl from any establishment and treating her more like a GF and supporting her or leading her to believe you have more of a reationship then a financial one then yes it would be a dick move to be flashing a FL or other BG infront of her. And even if you not think like that but she starts to think of you as something more then a customer then it's a dick move. But that should go without saying unless folks are really that dense in the head here.

In my cases, the girls that spent more then one night there with me it seems like they were almost PROTECTED by the establishment let alone treated nicely. The girls in the bar watched out for them almost. The restaurant staff treated them like stars and the same goes for the rest of the establishment.

And yes, I take from the bar as well even when I am outside the hotel and yes I take girls to go eat there and have drinks there. Never an issue.

Just my 2 cents and POV on the subject. Cheers....... :)

[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]or leading her to believe you have more of a reationship then a financial one[/QUOTE]

Heck, no. I have never blurred that line, I just prefer keeping them for a few days at a time. We're both more relaxed that way and the sex gets better because of it. Of course they may and start to see it otherwise as they are naturally jealous anyway. Which is why I then move on to the next.

My ways are not everyone's, and therefore my advice is not universal and should be taken with a grain of salt.

2J

[QUOTE=Daddy San]...
I understand that Livingstone's is guest friendly.

Does this "hospitality" include ALL temporary GFs, even those from other, competing establishments and also FLs, or is it limited to the "house" cuties?[/QUOTE]Daddy San,

A Happy New Year to you, too.

Yes, Livingstone's is guest friendly. That includes all temporary GF's, regular Thai women, girls from other bars ... Who am I to get involved in your private life :) ?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Too Jaded]...
I personally think it would be rude to stay at Giotto's and never take a girl out of his bar. But heck Giotto knows better than anyone that a man needs variety and will likely offer some suggestions on where to pursue some other ladies on Cowboy or AMPs.

Giotto, correct me if I am wrong.

2J[/QUOTE]Too Jaded,

Really - it is up to our guests. I tell everybody he shall look for somebody where the chemistry fits. If a guest can find it in our Sports Lounge - fine with me, and if he finds it outside - fine with me, too.

It is also not rude to stay here and not take a girl from our bar. The Sports Lounge is an add-on product to the hotel, but the variety of bars/discos/gogos/massage places here in Bangkok is that big that you can and will find women everywhere. And as long as those women behave correctly we welcome them here at Livingstone's, even in the bar.

Of course there are cases of jealousy if a guest took a girl from our Sports Lounge before, and comes with another girl to the Sports Lounge later. But nobody should forget - all this girls including the Livingstone's hostesses are no girlfriends or wives, they are service providers for some time, in many cases only for one night. They will not hesitate to take another customer the next night, why should you hesitate to take a different girl?

Please, take things easy, look at the reality, and enjoy your stay here in Bangkok in your own private way. That's what Livingstone's is all about.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Giotto]Yes, Livingstone's is guest friendly. That includes all temporary GF's, regular Thai women, girls from other bars ... [/QUOTE]... wives. ;)

[QUOTE=Piper1]... wives. ;)[/QUOTE]...female divorce lawyers :)


Giotto

Giotto and sycophants.

I was going to wish you all a happy New Year, but then I gathered from Giotto's post that I was about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

I really was going to visit Livingstones and write a review. I am not a pleb, I have been to many fine establishments all over the world, and appreciate value for money as opposed to extortion. I may still visit, in disguise, just to say I have been there, so when I write what I write, I can say it with all honesty.

Getting back to it, Giotto and I have traded blows in the past, pms as well, over science/AIDS, and I am sure that he never recovered from being ridiculed, hence his treatment of me on his forum.

I know fuck all about running a business, though perversely I hope to run a boutique B+B in a few years time and will charge higher prices for a higher standard, so I am not oblivious to Giotto's concepts.

There's no 'however', just WTF. You handle feedback very badly Giotto, time will tell if your sycophant friends will make you succesful.