Pattaya Reports

On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.

Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.

Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.

Actually I am in Pattaya since Friday evening. Leaving tomorrow with a girl to Phuket, which I picked up yesterday from a beer bar on WS. I consider her quality a bit below gogo, but a huge difference in price and performance: I had one girl from Bacarat, and one from Iron. 4000LT+1500Barfine. Exceptionally good looking, but terrible performers.

Both even tried to escape very early morning, begging for more money after a "bad job" etc.

So my experience with gogos is not positive. That is the reason I first tried Soi 6. Took out a girl for 2h to my hotel. 2000+600. Good performance. Asked for LT, she denied, never does this.

So then to try a beer bar. I decided one of the bars on WS, assuming better quality there. Yesterday, during the rain, I was almost the only guy among 100 girls or more.

Chose one of the dancers for 2000+600. Was OK, good GFE, so now we go to the islands. 10 days. 1300 / day+600 / day. Not bad, I guess.

So, in short, my experience is just opposite to yours. However, regarding the lady boys, I am also quite a bit concerned. I am already afraid to approach the best looking "girls" in the bars.

Went to 2 different big body massage salons, at 2nd road / Soi 1. 2000Baht and 2400Baht. Excellent both times. As I like good boobs, there to be found. Although silicon, but better than nothing, and well done. One lady even offered me take-out. 4000BHT. Would definitely prefere this one to a gogo. Because you can even check fher attitude during body massage, before deciding to shell out the 4000 next day or so. For the excellent body massages I did not chose the youngest girls.

If I was the type of guy who likes getting women from beer bars then I would:

1. Enter the bar.

2. Scan for a woman who is my type. If I did not see my type I would leave and go to the next bar.

3. Ask the woman if she goes long time if that is my thing.

4. Buy drinks or do whatever else in order to determine if there is any chemistry.

Reiner Otto, why are you paying double price wherever you go?

Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.

Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.

I also thought he was paying to much. I routinely get girls from Soi 6 for 2hrs for 700 to a 1000. Most of the women I pull are either freelance or from beer bars and don't pay those prices.

Never had any problems from beer bar girls. Granted some perform better than others but that is expected.

From time to time I will pull a hottie from a go go on lk metro and still not paying 2600.

I think some need to do the research before stepping into Pattaya.

I don't have a problem with a guy over paying if he chooses to. But I don't think anyone wants to get ripped off, at least I hope not.

[QUOTE=Steve99; 1475346]On some previous vists to Pattaya, not frequent but spanning over a decade, I have usualy found what I want in the beer bars with a bit of looking and a couple of wasted drinks here and there but on this visit I have found the type of girl I'm looking for and with a certain look (ie my taste). Anyway on finding these girls who have been more than enthusiastic to get me into the bar, extremely enthused about being bought a drink and idle chitchat but then a bit down the track either not wanting a bar fine or only short time at a local short term joint at best which usualy amounts to 'brothel' sex, a quick jigjig and hurry up I've got to get back to the bar. Now after a week of this stuff and spending far too much money on drinks etc I actualy got 2 back to my hotel (on different nights that is) and both of them 22 years old but both behaving like theyve never had sex before and more coy than any naieve teenager I have gotten off with in my long lost youth. What I am getting at here is that things must have changed over the years and its not just my age either, in fact I look younger now than I did 10 years ago on account of being infinitly fitter, far less weight and with a complete set of teeth etc etc, ie I never used to get this crap and in fact this is the first time I have come across all this stuff, (back in London recently I had a couple of pay for European girls barely 20 years old and no problem) I could understand it if I was a fat gross, bad breathed 70 year old but being quite a long way off that and getting the 'dirty old man' routine is getting depressing. Is this new ploys to get you into the bar then hope you will swith to the bored 40 year old sulking in the corner? Who knows.

Anyway have had a complete change of strategy now, have been to my favorite gogo (the Windmill) where you can see what you are going to get, get to touch the good bits first, get the slant of the girls personality then pay the exhorbitant bar fine and off for some real sex even if only short time, much more fun and predictable (I don't mind unpredictable if its cheap enough) so even porking every other day still works out better and cheaper than the beer bar bullshit I've had a belly full of.

Another moan here, anyone noticed how so many beer bars now have a token lady boy? They usualy stick out like dogs balls but last week I nearly got fooled for the first time ever, in the not so good lighting I headed over to a bar with what was a few reasonable looking girls, sat down and the stool next to me was taken up by a passable looking barmaid but after a couple of minutes I thought 'don't those fingers look a bit long' dito the feet were a bit big, nice femine voice though and no adams apple, but hey, with a lady boy in every bar I'm absolutly not going to chance getting the unlucky dip now am I? I don't thing this is a good move re the bar owners, very offputting. Ok moan over, but just curious as to what others with more experience thinks on these topics.[/QUOTE]Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.

[QUOTE=Steve99; 1475774]Mr Enternational. Think that is the correct order. Much cheaper than finding out after a few 100bt worth of drinkies.

Luck changed tonight, found an absolutly stunning 19 year old in a beer bar, a bit shy but completlely beyond most of the gogo bar girls, re looks and most certainly personality. Was only willing for short time (says due to language but who knows) but at least to my hotel for a couple of hours and was amazing in bed, to add she had the most perfectly formed conical tits I have ever seen / felt on any girl. Luck of the day / draw is a big part of it of course but when you are on limited time can be frustrating wasting lots of time and money. I choose to be picky on account of I can get skank and rough stuff back home for free (and I don't do that on account of the implications) so being picky means more potential dissapointment. As for me, I will be back for more of MsConical tomorow.[/QUOTE]Well there you go. It's not all doom and gloom in Pattaya. Let's not get obsessed with the doom and gloom factor. Focus more on the enjoy factor and, always remember, that the world is changing. Nothing stays the same.

[QUOTE=Reiner Otto;1475655]"Spending a lot of money on the girls."[/QUOTE]Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Bro2012;1475937]Pattaya, just like the rest of the planet, is changing.It's the circle of life in full swing. This is normal. Whenever I re-visit my old manors they have changed. As have the people. There are also many areas of Pattaya not inhabited by LBs. Why don't you give the Drinking Street a try up past Soi 2. They only allow real girls there. And there are many other areas as well. No need to get obsessed with that issue. Just drink and enjoy more.[/QUOTE]Drinking Street? Sorry Bro. The last 3 nights I've been in the Drinking Street and the mix in very exciting. I drink. I party. I don't judge. And I have a fantastic time.

[QUOTE=BlygdTuktaren;1476108]Thank you very much Reiner Otto, for overpaying and raising the prices for sex in Pattaya, it is guys like you who will make the prices comparable to Europe's at the end of the day. Thank you for ruining the market for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a b*gg*r about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.

Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1476161]The guy had fun and has rightly ignored all the cheapskates who want to pay the minimum amount. Tourists on holiday don't give a be*gg*are about the prices pretty sexy girls charge after they have drunk half a bottle of Scotch and had their crutch felt up in the bar.

Guys like him do not make prices look like European prices. It is perhaps the miserable moaners who constantly complain who force up prices. Because the girls may well say "F*ck this. If I am going to have to put up with cheapskate BT'aren, I am going to up my price."[/QUOTE]So right. And what percentage if guys who monger in LOS have ever heard of ISG? 50% 10% 1% less than 1% Anyone care to guess?

Oh well, the betching, moaning and insults are part of ISG's appeal.

1) The same girl (whether GG, BG, FL, Soi 6.) may go with:

- me: LT B 1, 500.

- John Doe: LT B 4, 000.

- Mr. Enternational: LT B 1, 000.

- young / handsome / fun / lucky guy: free.

It just depends on the dynamics / negotiations between the girl and the customer.

2) I hung out with BM Reiner Otto in Aug and he was very selective with picking the hot girls from Baccara, etc.

- The hotties from the top end GGs (Baccara, Iron, What's Up.) are expensive ST / LT if you want to successfully BF them.

- I prefer FLs and even the ok loooking off-duty GGs from Baccara I chatted up on WS wouldn't FL with me for less than ST 2k / LT 3k. That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. And the demand (whether CC or big spenders) is such that Patts attract enough ladies to fill all the niches: stunners dancing naked at the GGs, FL hotties every night at BR / WS / discos willing to consider ST B 500 / LT B 1, 000 for the right guy and time, and so on.

- Agreed that it would be expensive to pay a BG from a BB ST 2k / 3k (though I can think of a couple BGs who might be worth it) , but BBs vs GGs is apples vs oranges. And among the GGs there are cheaper ones (ST 2k / LT 3k or less, easily) and there are pricier GGs.

I'm a CC so I've accepted the fact that I'm unlikely to get a ST B 1, 000 / LT B 2, 000 + BF from a top end GG.

[QUOTE=Amex Spg;1476227]That doesn't really bother me because Patts has enough supply of women that I'll find a lady / price I want. I'm a CC so I've accepted...[/QUOTE]

How long have you been coming to Pattaya? I find that it is incredibly rare that I find what I want there (at any price). I think this is because my Pattaya tastes were formed many years ago when it was a better place.

Why it's changed so much for the worse I'm not sure - is it that Thailand is so much richer (it certainly is), or that there are a lot more big-spending tourists (perhaps there are, but the depression makes that dubious). Finally I think it may be because the drug addicts who used to provide such excellent service are now in jail.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1475312]It's worth it to plan a stop for a few days in Jakarta. The city is terrible and the mongering scene is totally different than Thailand. There is nothing like Soi Cowboy or Walking street. There are clubs and entertainment centers that are filled with P4P girls, pros and semipros. You can also find some pretty sophisticated ladies from good backgrounds that are fair game. Read the appropriate threads on ISG to learn more.[/QUOTE]Jakarta is terrible as a tourist destination but I found it wasn't as polluted as other Asian cities and is easy to get around thanks to the bus-lanes. I also think it's one of the most under-rated sex-scenes in Asia. The Blok M bars have lots of freelancers, there are great hotel venues like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel which stock lots of pretty girls (Classic is one of my top five venues in Asia while the latter specialises in threesomes) , there are soapy massage parlours, Stadium nightclub with on-site rooms and Dateinasia is alive and well too. My favourite area though is Pen J, near Kota train station where there is a kind of fishbowl set-up in about half a dozen bars. Jakarta is exceptionally cheap compared to other pay-for-play destinations and it seems the further south in Asia you go, the more voluptuous the women. On the down-side, the girlfriend experience is harder to find. I'd recommend Jakarta to any fan of Pattaya. If you visited you could also visit the Dolly brothels in Surubaya or go on a treasure hunt at the X-houses in Sanur.