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[QUOTE=AndyBKK]...She has stop working for over a yr to live with me while going to college and is making decent grades. She in her 2nd yr now.
I give her nothing in the way of money, so she has little to no money...[/QUOTE]
So how is she paying for her college? Is she performing tricks?
AndyBKK,
No PM for you... so I'm curious.. was your first wife a virgin Thai?
LBM
[QUOTE=AndyBKK]Here's my story.
The virgin: I met and married a virgin when I was 24. After seven years of marriage she left me and took more than half of my money. During the time she was with me she constantly sent money to her parents.
They built a plain new 4 stories house with my "our" money. She held no job during that time because she was too busy flying back home to see her parents.
I loved her a lot and trusted her 100%, which is why I put a lot of money into her name via land purchases. A lot of our investments went up, but I did not see any of those gain. I was simply content and lucky enough to get my principal back.
After the divorce I moved to Thailand and have been living here with a girl I met at Nana. Although, I don't express any love for her or buy her new things like I did my ex. At times I have been a complete A-hole to her, she still loves me. I have also told her that I will not marry her because once is enough for me, so continues to take care of me.
She has stop working for over a yr to live with me while going to college and is making decent grades. She in her 2nd yr now.
I give her nothing in the way of money, so she has little to no money.
The moral of the story is girls are different. Treat each circumstance different and never be stupid like I was.[/QUOTE]Andybkk,
For us oldtimer here how can we believe this a nana girl going to college. Learning what? How can you join college after YOU FINISH JUST NORMAL SCOOL; my daughter gos to technic scool similar college and don t know yet x what she will learning for a job. Have a look in this and at least college cost one day 100 baht without transportation. No fees no uniform included. One month college need 4000 baht at least
There is a lot of discussion on this forum about guys getting used by their Thai girlfriends. The fact is that a lot of us like to be used, and want to be used. Whether we admit it or not.
I've always been a very submissive guy, and the kind of relationship I can get into with a Thai girl is perfect for me. However the problem is that I still have no focus or desire to stay together long term, so I end up with some problems.
For example I was recently visiting a girl in one of the soapies (I won't say which one) a lot, and from the start I developed a very 'sub' routine with her. She was very young and pretty, a thin 19 year old, and very haughty too. I wasn't allowed to have sex with her, just to kiss her feet (she would stand over me on the bed and shove them in my face, while she showed off her pussy to me from above. I wasn't even allowed to lick her pussy, though she did sit on my neck as I lay on my back, and look down at me laughing. This position cuts off your air. Also she would grip my neck in a scissors grip and cut of my air. She also slapped my face a LOT. So while this happened I was masturbating and finally in the end I come from her grabbing my balls ver hard while I'm masturbating.
I have to tell you guys that when this is your taste in sex, a lot of girls really jump on it and want you for a bf. To be fair to them I do carry on a lot when I'm being submissive. Like I say I love them and they own me and that kind of talks.
Some are weirded out by it and don't want to see you again, but others catch on fast. For example this girl that I was talking about demanded a big tip (1000 baht) in addition to the soapy fee the first time. Then every time I went back it went up. First to 2, 000, then 5, 000. She then got into the 'sex' a lot more. But she always had some excuse for the increases. It was her birthday or she had her rent due, etcs.
But then she proposed that I be her 'fan' or boyfriend, and that I have to go to her hometown with her, and buy her some jewelry. I can't, cause I'm already 'married' to a Thai woman (not a working girl), and anyway I can't get into any more expense than maybe 10, 000/month or so or my real girlfriend will know.
I really wish I could keep seeing this girl (she's great), but I can't go back now, and I have stopped receiving her phone calls. This has happened to me before. Ecalation and then I have to just cut it off. Have any of you guys experienced like this?
[QUOTE=Lordberners]I really wish I could keep seeing this girl (she's great), but I can't go back now, and I have stopped receiving her phone calls. This has happened to me before. Ecalation and then I have to just cut it off. Have any of you guys experienced like this?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about the submissive stuff.... But the escalation and cutting off of contact is what most guys go through with girls in South East Asia.
True some make contact and stay together forever. But the vast majority is a quick relationship. They know it and try to siphon off as much as they can as fast as they can from you.
[QUOTE=Jeff46]Andybkk,
For us oldtimer here how can we believe this a nana girl going to college. Learning what? How can you join college after YOU FINISH JUST NORMAL SCOOL; my daughter gos to technic scool similar college and don t know yet x what she will learning for a job. Have a look in this and at least college cost one day 100 baht without transportation. No fees no uniform included. One month college need 4000 baht at least[/QUOTE]Must be Ramkhamhaeng open university where they have those three month open program modules for around 800 Baht fee. So yeh, it is possible.
And apart from the US, you can also call this a college.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]An interesting dialogue in response to my post about the current cost of sponsorship.
OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think? IMHO, this is why most farang take the easy route with bargirls or naive poor country girls.
Just my POV.
OAH[/QUOTE]Honestly what % of those 50+ farangs or even 30-40 y/o around bangkok fall into the middle aged "rock star/actor" like category?
Michael Douglas wife is how many years younger, Cathy Zeta Jones.
Mick Jagger is what 60, but no beer belly.
OK, yes the rock stars and actors have money BUT they also have a persona and physical appearance(Meatball excluded) that younger women are attracted to. Sorry but I have yet to see a similar persona in the expat population.
From a fat old guy like me.
[QUOTE=Humilde]Honestly what % of those 50+ farangs or even 30-40 y/o around bangkok fall into the middle aged "rock star/actor" like category?
Michael Douglas wife is how many years younger, Cathy Zeta Jones.
Mick Jagger is what 60, but no beer belly.
OK, yes the rock stars and actors have money BUT they also have a persona and physical appearance(Meatball excluded) that younger women are attracted to. Sorry but I have yet to see a similar persona in the expat population.
From a fat old guy like me.[/QUOTE]Do not forget here in Thailand a girl once she is 30 and have no boy friend or thai Husband ist over for her. So once 26 you will hear them already saying oh oh I am very soon 30 old already. So 26 30 with farang 50+ no problem for them. Depends may be on the outlook and money of farang 50+ but generaly here in Thailand for a 26 30 thai girl 50+ farang is ok. Even in up country. IMHO 65+ no go. But have also some depends here on the money. Then is money wise only.
[QUOTE=Jeff46]Do not forget here in Thailand a girl once she is 30 and have no boy friend or thai Husband ist over for her. So once 26 you will hear them already saying oh oh I am very soon 30 old already. So 26 30 with farang 50+ no problem for them. Depends may be on the outlook and money of farang 50+ but generaly here in Thailand for a 26 30 thai girl 50+ farang is ok. Even in up country. IMHO 65+ no go. But have also some depends here on the money. Then is money wise only.[/QUOTE]
Many years ago when I was living in Thailand, a very good friend said to me, "It's all about money or its all about nothing".
Just an update on my sponsorship question a few months ago...
The reason I had asked about sponsorship is that I had met a girl in a bar in Pattaya the first day on the job. I am relatively certain it was really her first day. Just broke up with Thai b/f and had an aunt working in Pattaya.
I think I got hooked because of the fantasy of the first farang scenario.
As LBM told me when we had breakfast in Pattaya last month, every farang always says, "My girl is different".
Fortunately, I never made the mistake of sending any money, but I did visit every month or so since January and paid her when I was with her at normal rates.
When I first met her, she would have accepted 10k per month. After the first month in Pattaya, she wanted 20k per month. Now, she wants 30k per month, plus a new house for mom, etc. It is based on her earning potential Evidently, she prefers to sleep with a different guy every day for the same amount of money hoping she will meet a "fool" in shining armor to give her everything she wants.
As expected, the longer she stays in Pattaya, the more hardcore and cunning she gets. The last time I was with her was not very enjoyable.
As the relationship comes to an end, I have learned again that they are all the same and consider farangs to be nothing more than an ATM machine. This has been posted too many times to count, however, we will always have those that think, "My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]"My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves. OAH[/QUOTE]
Can I ask how old she was? I agree with what you write especially the longer on the job the worse it gets. BUT... I know some older ladies who are or were in the game that have gotten out and really taken care of their guy.
I"m starting to think there is an age line... before this line they are mercenary and after that line there is hope and after another line they can be great girls.
Just my POV but I'm finding some older girls lately that are spectacular. And by older I mean over 28. Mostly 28-30 year olds...
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Can I ask how old she was? I agree with what you write especially the longer on the job the worse it gets. BUT... I know some older ladies who are or were in the game that have gotten out and really taken care of their guy.
I"m starting to think there is an age line... before this line they are mercenary and after that line there is hope and after another line they can be great girls.
Just my POV but I'm finding some older girls lately that are spectacular. And by older I mean over 28. Mostly 28-30 year olds...[/QUOTE]
Tansak KTV,
She is 26. I agree that the older they get, the more practical. Case in point is another good friend of mine that retired in Pattaya at 65. He had a good savings and a nice pension. He met a girl over 30 and asked her to live with him. She stayed and took great care of him until he died at 76. That said, he bought her a house, a car and invited her teenage son to stay with them. I am not sure how much he gave her every month.
I still think it is up to earning potential. There was another girl in the same bar where my girl worked that was also 30+. She found her shining knight from the USA, quit working, and went back to the farm to wait for him for 10k per month. When I asked my girl why she agreed to such little money in comparison, she said that that 10k was the same as this girl was earning in the bar since she was not that attractive and did not get barfined as often.
When it comes to regular girls, the driver I use in Thailand offered to set me up with a "normal girl" in Bangkok. She owns a small hair salon but wanted to meet a farang. He told me she was only 29 so I agreed. She came to my hotel bearing fruits. She was plain looking and a bit chunky but I figured for free what the hell. I took her to dinner and we headed back to my hotel. She was drinking pretty heavily at dinner so I figured I had a good chance. A couple of beers later and we were fooling around and she had her hand in my pants. When I started to make the move for the bed, she asked me for 3,000 Baht. I asked her what kind of girl she was. She felt guilty and finished me off with a HJ. I gave her taxi fare (120 Baht) and sent her on her way. I reckon she just figured that farangs were ATM machines and if she was going to let me do her on the first date, I should pay her for it.
I draw the line at 30. If the girl is over 30, I reckon I should not have to pay or support. There are plenty of freebies out there in this category.
Just my POV.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]..."It's all about money or its all about nothing".
....she wanted 20k per month. Now, she wants 30k per month, plus a new house for mom, etc. It is based on her earning potential ...they are all the same and consider farangs to be nothing more than an ATM machine. This has been posted too many times to count, however, we will always have those that think, "My girl is different". The truth is that we are fooling ourselves.[/QUOTE]
I guess its fairly obvious that this is true of bar girls, but I've had a few relationships with middle class girls where no money whatsoever passed from me to her, and in general we went 'dutch-treat'. And they were getting older (29-30 at the beginning), and only average in appearance.
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I draw the line at 30. If the girl is over 30, I reckon I should not have to pay or support. There are plenty of freebies out there in this category.[/QUOTE]
That age group are not the girls I bar fine..... Just girls I've found that will come over at 3 am and bang the hell our of me, wash my clothes, make my food, etc....
28-30 year olds are kind of becoming very very very enjoyable for me after I hunt for the 23 to 25 year olds.
[QUOTE=Opebo]I guess its fairly obvious that this is true of bar girls, but I've had a few relationships with middle class girls where no money whatsoever passed from me to her, and in general we went 'dutch-treat'.[/QUOTE]I've also heard this referred to as "American share."
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]...As expected, the longer she stays in Pattaya, the more hardcore and cunning she gets. The last time I was with her was not very enjoyable...[/QUOTE]I've also noticed that the longer a young woman stays in the game and the more successful she is, her physical appearance and mannerisms start to dramatically change. Often she starts to look sexier in a "commercial" way, but the funny thing, for me, is that women like this all start to look and act alike. That's why it is so easy to spot a P$P girl out in the daylight.