Monterrey

Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.

You evaded your own statement:
In your post say and I quote, "Girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when I make a judgment as to my interest level. Most of the time, I am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. To me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...I mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

You later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

Iam not talking about your GF, I said what truely is said by the girls. And Iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

And again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
The girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

You know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is SO OLD".
You know why? Cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

And since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

PS: CIndy #1??? When are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? That she is crazy? That she is bipolar???
Am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which YOU ARE NOT) to go back looking for her.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Amigomio says...
"Let me advance you an answer: that we are the pits."

Speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. She does not think I am the pits. Certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...But, I have a lot of girls that do NOT think I am the pits. No, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits.

My girlfriend has tons of boys after her too...You want to know what she thinks of them...just that...they are "boys."

Amigomio says:

"My sometimes choices of older girls goes with the fact that it's easier to deal with girls over 25 in the business. They are much more intellectualy mature than their 18-20 something counterparts and they are more willing to see an older man than the younger girls. Which is an irrefutable fact."

This I do agree with. It does reveal a slight contradiction in the way I express my own preferences. I agree that the girls are much more amiable at that age, versus the 18 year olds.

"There is one thing USB, that even involves you and that is that your girl is 24 going on 25, meaning that she is now in range of what I have just pointed out to you, meaning also that you are one year from contradicting yourself in terms of not wanting to go out with older girls. May I point out that both Cindy #1 and Cindy #2 were 24-25 when you met them and you still want to see Cindy #1... another contradiction)."

My girlfriend was 23 when I met her. Our relationship has evolved so far beyond mongering per se, that it isn't even legitimate to discuss what motivates either of us. However, I will see her for as long as she will have me. My attraction to her is far beyond physical. I am simply lucky that she is as HOT as she really is.

With respect to Cindy #1, you will be pleased to know that I have re-established contact with her, and she is dying to see me again. We are good friends, a friendship that replaced mongering long ago. She is a also a "girlfriend." But, of course, because my true girlfriend is there for me always, I will only see her only in her club. But, I will look forward to experiencing the true affection she give me...and in lieu of receiving compensation as a result.

The point of all of this is that the typical mongerer is mired in the physical, when I concentrate on the psychological. If you can not understand the distinction, you, meaning the reader, and not directly addressing Carlos here, then you probably never will understand.[/QUOTE]

we are, afterall, getting older, and we all look like mature men. but, i say, so what?

i have a lot of clients that start out with a big "no," only to eventually be so dependent on me in our eventual business relationships that they will not leave me the hell alone :-)))

i have no doubt that the girls recognize me, and us, as older men, and that there is generally no natural attraction to us. but, i also know that woman are totally different then men, and that they can be reachable emotionally. once they are emotionally attached, they are as available legitimately, certainly in the privacy of my room, hiding from the stigma imposed by society, and sometimes even including public displays of affection, as if we were 20 years old.

if i was saying that i can attract them through the shear force of my appearance alone, then i would accept your conclusions. the problem is, i have proven countless times that they can be reached in other ways. once that is accomplished, there is no obstacle, perhaps even quite the opposite.

i simply have too many personal examples of girls that have demonstrated they are reachable to be convinced that i should accept the prospect of failure before i even make the effort, just because i am a mature male.

first, we must use the money to receive the opportunity. that is the first distinction. because, literally, our young stud competitors do not even need to be sitting in the bars paying money for sex. but, that is the pre-requisite for us. thank god for the girls that are available to us. by paying the money, we get a legitimate shot at them psychologically, which eventually turns their initial aversions to us into legitimate desire. this is what distinguishes men from women. thank god for the distinction. because literally where young women are most definitely reachable and attractable emotionally, young men are generally not. you, meaning the reader, must think like a woman. not an easy task, not something we totally understand, not something we are created to do, and certainly not something we like admitting we have an emotional inclination at.

again, i am reaching them by getting into their heads. frankly, it is a much more powerful and lasting tool than any physical attraction might ultimately prove to be anyway. if i were a newbie at this, then i would accept your conclusions. but, i am not a newbie, and i have proven these theories over and over again. they work. mine is a message of hope for all mature men, if they will listen.

currently, with my gf, i have proven this theory in spades. in her case, i am faithful and relatively unavailable otherwise, and i will continue to do so to preserve the relationship. but, were it to end, i have no doubt that i can re-establish similar relationships, even now, even though i am growing incrementally older. but, i do agree that it will eventually become incrementally more difficult as i grow older each year.

with respect to cindy #1, i will see her as a friend, but only within the controlled environment of the club for the sake of my gf. cindy #1 is definitely nutty, but i believe that most of them have some kind of clinical mental defect, just in varying degrees. i have never felt in danger from her unless you consider being raped a danger. :-)


[quote=amigomio]you evaded your own statement:
in your post say and i quote, "girls that look around age 28, are now seemingly over the hill when i make a judgment as to my interest level. most of the time, i am not impressed by girls that are over the age of 26. to me, they appear just too old, a wrinkle here, too much fat there, too soft, etc...i mean, when you compare them to the 20 year old divas we routinely mess around with, girls that are older than about 26 are just not that alluring to me. "

you later answered my post in a opposite direction (my "pits" post): "speak for yourself...my girlfriend spends hours and hours on end with me. she does not think i am the pits. certainly, the witches that are the divas act awful toward us, say awful things, etc...but, i have a lot of girls that do not think i am the pits. no, the witches are just that, witches...they are the pits."

iam not talking about your gf, i said what truely is said by the girls. and iam speaking about you, and of course this involves us men at the 50 year line... cause we are not getting any younger, we are getting older.

and again, you just don't have a hold of the situation.
the girls talk to other girls... you just don't get that part.

you know what it the first thing they say about us to a newcomer girl? "don't sit with that guy.. he is so old".
you know why? cause, if they don't get our money, they don't want anyone else to get our money.

and since you just don't believe that part, you sit with the idea that everything is under control, when control is managed by evil forces you just don't comprehend.

ps: cindy #1??? when are you going to pay heed to the words of a friend (me) that has told you time and time again that she is hazardous to your health? that she is crazy? that she is bipolar???
am going to tell you honestly and openly, that you have to be as crazy as she is (which you are not) to go back looking for her.[/quote]

I know this is a little late but there is the Rule of 32. When a man becomes 32 he officially becomes invisible to any woman under 21. The exception to this rule is for every million $ the man has, he gets 3 years knocked off his age. The sad thing is the rule is exponential. That is why J. Howard Marshal had to have 3/4 of a billion to get Anna Nicole.

[quote=unospongebob]
most girls have never been with an older man. so, to use the mall girls as an example doesn't really make a true comparison. the better comparison are the girls in the clubs that have experienced older men and enjoy it. those girls have become used to the idea, are not afraid of it, and have developed an open mindedness about it. those are truly the enlightened girls. their sisters that are in the mall haven't a clue because they are mired in the sociology that keeps them consistent with what society dictates.
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oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.

look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

if you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, all are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

you admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of social psychology.

i say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. i am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, not 95 years old like tony randall, or hugh hefner.

my point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. in my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

the important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

it doesn't matter to me "why" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. it only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. they are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from may to december, but sometimes for years on end. that is how i know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

there can be no other reason they are there. they are there because they are motivated to be there for "other" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. frankly, i believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. of one thing i am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

believe what you want. i have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

to all middle aged men:

young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

i don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. in my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid gfe, even a monogamous gfe if achievable.

you see, i agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. imho, psychological manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. i am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. it is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is not easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. but, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

if successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. of that, i am personally convinced and totally sure.

always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. they are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. if everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. thank god the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

it's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))


[quote=super gato]oh please. this has nothing to do with sociology and society. a "may-december" relationship is totally acceptable in the us and most other countries. the extreme cases -- ana nicole smith and that old geezer, tony randal and his hot young wife, larry king, hugh hefner -- are seen by most as skeezy but people aren't outside their homes burning torches.

when you're with your young novia in monterrey, the locals may whisper that she's just seeing you for the money. no one is thinking: i bet she loves him because he's such a nice guy. not trying pick on you, it could be anyone in that old guy/young girl situation. as a gringo, some in mexico may assume that you're rich. and when the girl is seeing an older guy of another ethnicity, there could even be more stigma attached to her. "she thinks she too good to date a mexican man? what a puta." i could tell by the disgust on the older better to do thai women's faces they felt that way about the little hottie on my arm.

in the us older women who are not "cougars" or didn't marry an older guy themselves will criticize the guy by asking why doesn't he date girls his own age? my answer is simple: why on earth would he want to? guys would do it if they could.

the girls in the clubs are with older men because:
a) older men have money
b) older men frequent the clubs

yes, younger guys go to clubs but many don't go with the girl because they can get it for free elsewhere. and they don't have as much plata as the older guys.

some girls will tell you that they prefer older clients because they are more experienced, better lovers, blah blah blah. but they are telling you this because you are the older man. of course she's not going to say she prefers you to hot built younger guys. if her choices were purely physical she wouldn't screw an older guy for the same reason you won't go with an older woman. who prefers sagging, wrinkling old versus smooth and tight?

women look for security in relationships in all cultures. in the 21st century anywhere on the planet this equates to the guy having money. this is why you see mexican men with wives that are 20 years younger. a young mexican guy -- like his peers in most of the world -- doesn't have the financial resources of a 40 year old guy. this is why you see it in asia and and the us as well. it is all about the money. there's fame too, but most of the time they are intertwined.

how many homeless broke guys have young girlfriends? i'm not saying that all women are gold diggers, but you don't see them with broke ass guys. when you do see it among the not-rich guys and younger women, remember wealth is relative. i'm by no means rich, but compared to a girl that makes 6 dollars a day working her ass off, i'm bill effing gates.

in the very rare cases of an older woman with a younger guy it is almost 100% assumed that he is with her for the money. many rich women see it the same way we guys do: why should i be with an fat old bald guy who can't get it up when i can have a young stud for nothing more than the price to lease a bmw? her friends are jealous. the guy closes his eyes and thinks of his car. and she gets her stud.

the girl spots the older guys out in the clubs because she knows they have more money and she's going to be more likely to extract it from him than she would with a younger guy. these girls might not have finished school but they're very smart. the are like the tigresses looking for get for for her cubs. she can go for the old slow water buffalo that will feed her cubs for days or she can go for a tastier impala that would take a lot of effort and only feed the cubs for one meal.

and we guys? we look for looks and health and vitality in women. that means youth. even though we just want to have 30 minutes with her on the bed, biologically we're attracted to them for their ability to produce offspring. and logically an older woman might be a better mother to your offspring -- more caring, better equipped for the emotional aspects. your cave man brain throws logic out the window.

i'm not saying this to be negative, but it is a fact of life. especially in the clubs. i'm not saying it is right or fair. but a lot of things in life are like that. so i use it to my advantage as much as i can when i'm mongering.[/quote]

Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Look, this is just a friendly philosophical discussion. Whether anyone buys into it is of no importance to me. Frankly, the more that discount it, the better it is for me.

If you sincerely analyze almost every one of your comments, ALL are based on society's norms and expectations, and not upon the girl's actual reaction in private.

You admit in your post that they risk society's ridicule for even having been seen with middle aged men. Almost the entire post is related directly to reactions of others...more accurately, that is the definition of Social Psychology.

I say, take them away from society's scrutiny, and it's a totally different ballgame. I am not talking about 95 year old men, such as what you refer to in your comments, but to men that are still vital, interesting, healthy, etc...just middle aged, NOT 95 years old like Tony Randall, or Hugh Hefner.

My point is that young girls are truly motivated by different things than young men, motivations you yourself have touched on in your post, such as the security aspect, among others. Most of what most men believe motivates a woman is from a man's perspective. In my opinion, applying a male perspective to female psychology is to totally and completely misunderstand what fully and completely motivates women, apart from the obvious biological motivations, which are not nearly as strong in women as in men.

The important point is that all those reasons you gave for them being with us legitimately as older men are a "turn-on" for them, a "turn-on" as much for them as a hard body is a turn on for us as men.

It doesn't matter to me "WHY" the girls choose to be there extraordinarily. It only matters to me to what extent they are there, and to what degree of legitimacy they are there. They are there sometimes for many hours on end, sometimes for almost no money, and consistently so, not from May to December, but sometimes for years on end. That is how I know there is some degree of legitimacy from them.

There can be NO other reason they are there. They are there because they are motivated to be there for "OTHER" reasons than just a hard body and a flat stomach. Frankly, I believe they remain there for reasons most men will never fully comprehend, emotional reasons. Of one thing I am totally sure, when legitimacy of feeling exists, it is not entirely for the money.

Believe what you want. I have proven to myself that much younger girls can be motivated in ways that most men never fully comprehend, for reasons that are not always motivated only be the money, and that the age difference is not such an insurmountable obstacle to a legitimate attraction.

To all middle aged men:

Young girls are not legitimately attracted by physical attributes alone, but through a combination of things, the most powerful of which is emotion, influenced by your expertise with respect to psychological manipulation.

I don't mean to imply using a disingenuous psychological manipulation necessarily. In my case, the psychological manipulations are sincere, meant to solicit a sincere and legitimate affection between two people, a hybrid GFE, even a monogamous GFE if achievable.

You see, I agree with most of your conclusions concerning our handicap with respect to conventionally attracting young girls as a mature male. IMHO, Psychological Manipulation is the only tool we as mature men have at our disposal. I am here to testify that this approach definitely does work. It is not always successful, not all girls are good candidates, results are not always consistent in all cases, it is NOT easy, it is not predictable, and it is not usually initially cheap. But, over time, if one is persistent, it can and does work.

If successful, you can develop in them a psychological dependence, one that yields great sex, significantly legitimate love and affection, friendship, and a level of intimacy that is not usually experienced by the average monger, and you can do so without being twenty years old. Of that, I am personally convinced and totally sure.

Always remember, money gives them the excuse to be there, the sociological and economical excuse. They are oblivious to what they are ultimately getting themselves into. If everything works as planned they are really quite pleasantly surprised. Thank God the money excuse is there as their egocentric psychological justification.

It's like the spider and the fly. :-))))))))))))[/QUOTE]

First, we DO NOT disagree with respect to having a proper strategy for mongering. Certainly, if they are competing for your attention, competing for your business, then their motivation is not an emotional psychological attachment, but a financial one. I understand your strategy with them, and agree with it completely.

Amigomio says, "Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I keep saying that he is totally wrong. His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship, friendship, etc."

I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time.

When I have made mistakes with my GF in the past, slipping back to my old strategies in my interactions with her, it has truly jeopardized what we have together. So, I am doing everything right with her to get what I know is possible within the definition of a hybrid GFE. A hybrid GFE is not really mongering. It is having a legitimate GF. I am not mongering with my GF. That is the distinction.

I try to turn girls that have one kind of motivation, primarily financial, into girls that will yield an altogether different kind of experience, with a minimal financial motivation to their behavior. I get less diversity of action as a result, but I also get a different experience too. For that reason, I am relatively faithful to one girl at this juncture because I don't want my behavior to jeopardize what I like experiencing with her on salida, and because I have legitimately developed feelings for her as well. Were I to conduct myself differently with her, it would ruin the dynamic between us. I can not have it both ways.

I look for a girl to spend hours with me, do all kinds of activities, a girl that actually wants to be there because we are close...a real "relationship," all-be-it one that is most definitely not conventional sociologically, but one that does have a deeper meaning than what you generally find mongering.

I have found that in one girl, and I enjoy my time with her sincerely. But, at the same time, I give up the mongering kind of experience because mongering and maintaining the environment for that relationship do not mix. If I monger, it has to been done with an eye to what might decline with her were I to be caught by her mongering openly.

But, with respect to the comments about a middle aged male not being able to attract and keep a young girl half his age. It is definitely doable, and it is doable with minimal expenditures of money compared to the normal cost of mongering per se. The investment is made up front, just as in mongering normally. But, later, once the relationship is established, the cost is minimal. I have achieved it. That's why I find the comments of na-sayers to be wrong. I have personally been there and done that as a middle aged male.

Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention. It was great for what I want from them within the club, but it will not yield for me what I truly enjoy on salida, not if I maintain that same kind of attitude with them individually. They were strictly competing from my money in the club. There is no emotional attachment. I enjoyed my time with them in the club, but I have little expectation for anything that even remotely approaches hybrid GFE like I get from my GF on salida. I am making some progress with one of them, the other I just met. We will see. I am starting out using your methods, and they work quite well for me initially. They give me exactly what I enjoy in the club, and they break the ice. But, if I employ those same methods to take the scenario further, I will not be successful. Your initial strategies work quite well. But, if you seek what I seek, you have to change over to the USB strategy at some point to bring the scenario along further. But, as we all know, you are not looking for my kind of scenario. It would be detrimental to your circumstances living in Monterrey. For me, it is an altogether different set of circumstances, and I thrive on my hybrid GFE.

I am nice to some that I work on for salida, and I am different to others of them that are strictly for fun and games, sometimes taking them on salida, sometimes having fun with them only within the club. But, the reality is, generally, I am with my GF. Frankly, she gives me so much sex and attention, that I do not really care one way or the other whether I even touch another girl. I am totally and completely satiated by her. Frankly, I believe she believes that if she wears me out, I will be a good boy. She is smart. She stays with me long time, wears me out, and we are both happy.

What I get from my GF is totally different than what I get mongering. There is a huge distinction. I am merely pointing out that we CAN employ methods that will transcend that initial financial motivation in them. It just depends what you are looking for. In my case, I am looking for a different kind of experience. I have that experience now, and I merely look for other opportunities for a future time when things may change between my GF and me.

But, of course, I also have girls that are strictly for fun. With those girls, I do not make the same kind of effort, use the same kinds of strategies, etc...With girls that are strictly for fun and games, I totally agree with you and your strategies. You don't witness me using those strategies now because I have developed a preference where those kinds of strategies do not serve my ultimate purpose, which is to maintain my best hybrid GFE of all time with a really HOT, very sexy, very loving, very attached, very sweet, totally legitimate GF. However, in saying that, I also realize that things can change. So, I am keeping my eyes open, and watching for other candidates. But, honestly, I do not have the energy to maintain more than one hybrid GFE. It takes all I have to maintain that scenario. To take on more than one would almost literally kill me, and rub me raw.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I kee saying that he is totally wrong.
His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship/friendship/etc.

I have complained many times to USB that he is TOO DAMN FRIENDLY to the girls, when you have to be TOO DAMN MEAN with the girls.

Iam extremely rough with them, incredibly rough.
The girls give me their phone numbers (I have tons of them) and of course they expect me to call them. When I don't they ask me later "why didn't you call?" and I answer "why should I... it's a waste of time"
When they ask me "where were you" I answer "at Infinito screwing other girls"...
They totally hate this...

BRB.... this post is not finished.[/QUOTE]

I didn't finish my last post cause my wife popped into my studio....

Let me quote USB: "Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention."

This is one of the potential dangers of a monger in a 5 star club, one that USB has totally los track of. Thinking that the girls are competing for his attention.
They are competing, but for money.

I was even told that that the N girl got pissed when I sat the Y girl with you. And the other way around, the Y girl was angry with me cause I sat another girl to my side.
(Said Y girl is part of my Sacred Flock)
The upside of this is that USB had tons of fun. Both Wasted and me were a witness to this. Genuine fun due to the fact the girls were competing for a price... or prize.

A monger needs to be aware of this. Not to lower his guard.
Club girls are our enemies when contact has been established.
We have to be on the defensive cause club girls will take all our money away and they will not care at all if they leave us bankrupt.

We have to turn tables on them. We have to catch them when they slip, not the other way around (one of my mayor complaints of how USB operates... right now he's an open mark to all the girls).

They are the ones that must realize that they, not we are open marks.
They are more vulnerable then we, they depend on us, we can do as we wish with them.

Let me quote USB again: "I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time."

#1 Let me correct you: you've had an on and off relationship with your GF, not a steady one cause you don't live here. Let me add it is a good one. Yes, everything USB posts is true when she meets her. Yes, they do all off work activity he mentions.

#2 She is far far far superior to Cindy #1 which you stubbornly are trying to contact again. Cindy #1 will ruin your relationship with your current GF.
Let me get biblical: Please don't sell your first-born for a plate of lentile.

#3 "I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time."
Let me be sincere on this. You have no LASTING brand of strategy. Wasted has a brand of strategy, so do I. Girls ask me for Wasted. My comrades tell me my girls ask for me when am absent. Girls ask only for "the guy with the cookies"... they don't even remember your name.
CONTRARY TO THIS and please take note, your GF DOES ASK FOR YOU and Iam going to be honest, Angry Girl used to ask for you by name ("used" as in I haven't seen her in a long time).
See the diference? It is a palpable difference.
One that Iam a witness to.


Adendum: had a very intresting incident prior to Wasted's last visit. One of the girls both Wasted and me share at the Infinito asked for him... while I was doing her in a privado.
She was instantly banned from my "Favorites" list (My GFs are part of my "Scared Flock", my "Favorites" are my alternates when none of my GFs are present).
Banned means no talking to them, no privados, no nothing... she fully deserved it.
When Wasted was here, he sat as always at his table like a ton of girls, one was the banned girl. While being there, on a moments notice she turns, with Wasted present and tell me "why haven't you done me anymore?".
That is a close as an apology you'll get from a club girl and I caught her on her weakest most open point with her. Relationship with her is now on my upperhand.
Last Friday I came down with her... one of my GFs comes over, visibly angry and says "why the f**k are you going up with her?"
I just sincerly answered "cause I want to".

This is pitting the girl one another, not making them compete for us, which they are not.
Results are far better than anything else.





[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]First, we DO NOT disagree with respect to having a proper strategy for mongering. Certainly, if they are competing for your attention, competing for your business, then their motivation is not an emotional psychological attachment, but a financial one. I understand your strategy with them, and agree with it completely.

Amigomio says, "Let me say that in theory USB is right, in practice I keep saying that he is totally wrong. His style of getting to girls is the opposite a monger should use looking for a short term-long term relationship, friendship, etc."

I have been with my GF now, steadily, for almost two years. I don't think I am doing anything wrong with her. And, I have several other girls that will go with me free, girls that I have known several years, a few that are relatively new, and girls that want to be there long-time. I don't frequently see them, but they are there, and I have practiced my brand of strategy on them over time.

When I have made mistakes with my GF in the past, slipping back to my old strategies in my interactions with her, it has truly jeopardized what we have together. So, I am doing everything right with her to get what I know is possible within the definition of a hybrid GFE. A hybrid GFE is not really mongering. It is having a legitimate GF. I am not mongering with my GF. That is the distinction.

I try to turn girls that have one kind of motivation, primarily financial, into girls that will yield an altogether different kind of experience, with a minimal financial motivation to their behavior. I get less diversity of action as a result, but I also get a different experience too. For that reason, I am relatively faithful to one girl at this juncture because I don't want my behavior to jeopardize what I like experiencing with her on salida, and because I have legitimately developed feelings for her as well. Were I to conduct myself differently with her, it would ruin the dynamic between us. I can not have it both ways.

I look for a girl to spend hours with me, do all kinds of activities, a girl that actually wants to be there because we are close...a real "relationship," all-be-it one that is most definitely not conventional sociologically, but one that does have a deeper meaning than what you generally find mongering.

I have found that in one girl, and I enjoy my time with her sincerely. But, at the same time, I give up the mongering kind of experience because mongering and maintaining the environment for that relationship do not mix. If I monger, it has to been done with an eye to what might decline with her were I to be caught by her mongering openly.

But, with respect to the comments about a middle aged male not being able to attract and keep a young girl half his age. It is definitely doable, and it is doable with minimal expenditures of money compared to the normal cost of mongering per se. The investment is made up front, just as in mongering normally. But, later, once the relationship is established, the cost is minimal. I have achieved it. That's why I find the comments of na-sayers to be wrong. I have personally been there and done that as a middle aged male.

Look at the girls at the Prestige with me on my last trip. They were competing for my attention. It was great for what I want from them within the club, but it will not yield for me what I truly enjoy on salida, not if I maintain that same kind of attitude with them individually. They were strictly competing from my money in the club. There is no emotional attachment. I enjoyed my time with them in the club, but I have little expectation for anything that even remotely approaches hybrid GFE like I get from my GF on salida. I am making some progress with one of them, the other I just met. We will see. I am starting out using your methods, and they work quite well for me initially. They give me exactly what I enjoy in the club, and they break the ice. But, if I employ those same methods to take the scenario further, I will not be successful. Your initial strategies work quite well. But, if you seek what I seek, you have to change over to the USB strategy at some point to bring the scenario along further. But, as we all know, you are not looking for my kind of scenario. It would be detrimental to your circumstances living in Monterrey. For me, it is an altogether different set of circumstances, and I thrive on my hybrid GFE.

I am nice to some that I work on for salida, and I am different to others of them that are strictly for fun and games, sometimes taking them on salida, sometimes having fun with them only within the club. But, the reality is, generally, I am with my GF. Frankly, she gives me so much sex and attention, that I do not really care one way or the other whether I even touch another girl. I am totally and completely satiated by her. Frankly, I believe she believes that if she wears me out, I will be a good boy. She is smart. She stays with me long time, wears me out, and we are both happy.

What I get from my GF is totally different than what I get mongering. There is a huge distinction. I am merely pointing out that we CAN employ methods that will transcend that initial financial motivation in them. It just depends what you are looking for. In my case, I am looking for a different kind of experience. I have that experience now, and I merely look for other opportunities for a future time when things may change between my GF and me.

But, of course, I also have girls that are strictly for fun. With those girls, I do not make the same kind of effort, use the same kinds of strategies, etc...With girls that are strictly for fun and games, I totally agree with you and your strategies. You don't witness me using those strategies now because I have developed a preference where those kinds of strategies do not serve my ultimate purpose, which is to maintain my best hybrid GFE of all time with a really HOT, very sexy, very loving, very attached, very sweet, totally legitimate GF. However, in saying that, I also realize that things can change. So, I am keeping my eyes open, and watching for other candidates. But, honestly, I do not have the energy to maintain more than one hybrid GFE. It takes all I have to maintain that scenario. To take on more than one would almost literally kill me, and rub me raw.[/QUOTE]

amigomio said, "thinking that the girls are competing for his attention. they are competing, but for money."

the girls in the prestige are competing for me as a client. that, i fully acknowledge. but, i also tell you this...and mark my words, the "n" girl is a candidate for hybrid gfe. that girl has all the signs. she is marked, and she already knows it. she is fighting me, but she will eventually give in. wanna bet? and, fair is fair, you can not intervene to make my chances with her lesser if we bet here, openly in the forum. i will bet you a whole, air tight, locking seal box of cookies that she will some day be in the same category as cindy #1, angry girl, and my gf, provided i am stupid enough to risk it concerning my gf, which i am not at this juncture.

and, with respect to lowering one's guard, there should be some kind of bench mark to measure when one's guard has been lowered, and one has been vicitimized or taken advantage of, right?

i remind you that my bar tab was about 25% less than wasted's bar tab. lets see, mine was 1350 pesos for all afternoon with two girls, having a total and complete blast, being almost literally raped by them. you saw it! but, i venture to speculate, i had 75% more fun than you two guys put together. there now, that should also bring wasted out of hiding. :-)))

amigomio further postulates...

"#1 let me correct you: you've had an on and off relationship with your gf, not a steady one cause you don't live here. let me add it is a good one. yes, everything usb posts is true when she meets her. yes, they do all off work activity he mentions."

finally, you are accurate carlos. my gf and me have a really good thing going, a legitimate love affair. she understands and appreciates what we have together. it is much easier to make her understand me than to try and explain it to some guys on the board. she so easily gets it because she is a female. i understand her desires, and i deliver on them. that actually has little to do with sex, but more to do with emotion. the sexual part is her department, and she delivers. the emotional part is up to me. were it not for her, or ones like her, i would not probably return nearly as often, with the exception of visiting mis amigos of course. i do miss you guys too 'ya know.

amigomio further postulates...

"#2 your gf is far far far superior to cindy #1 which you stubbornly are trying to contact again. cindy #1 will ruin your relationship with your current gf.
let me get biblical: please don't sell your first-born for a plate of lentile."

one of cindy's first questions to me was to ask about the status of my gf. so, i agree with you completely. i must be very careful. i will not compromise my relationship with my gf, of that you can be totally certain. and, even more curious, i got the distinct feeling that cindy #1 would like to occupy the position of my gf, if not for legitimate reasons, or old times sake, then for monetary gain. but, don't worry, she could never, ever come even within a million miles of my gfe with my gf.

"let me be sincere on this. you have no lasting brand of strategy."

wouldn't you call a three year love affair with my gf lasting? wouldn't you call my angry girl asking for me by name for two years after we broke up, lasting? wouldn't you call cindy #1 going with me year after year, seeking my out, asking you directly in casino as to my whereabouts, lasting? i call it lasting. but, i agree that my fun is not nearly as diversified as what you and wasted enjoy. but, again, i don't seek your kind of fun.

"girls ask only for "the guy with the cookies"... they don't even remember your name."

i never tell them my name...remember, i don't ask for them, they seek me out. remember, if i want to make an impression, i will apply myself. if they don't know my name, it's because i couldn't care less if they do or don't know my name. i am not interested in them, period.

"angry girl used to ask for you by name ("used" as in i haven't seen her in a long time)."

yes, i am worried...i have been looking for her for the last three trips. nada.

and, one final comment...isn't this banter back and forth more fun than nothing, week after week after week after week....si?

You two need to end this. Take a chill pill and move on.

Carlos, you know after all these years, 7? that Bob will not see things your way nor will you be able to change his way of thinking. He is living a dream while blinded by the young cute little chicas. Let him be.

And Bob, you love to argue. You love to post on ISG as much as you love your girl, if not more. You fail to see the point. You pick on a single issue and beat it to death while you seem to overlook what Carlos is saying. You try to read between the lines while there are no lines to read.

Bob will fall for any girl that would kiss him. Even if she turns around and French-kisses me while she is setting with him holding his hand.

Oh yeah, you guys know who I am. No need to elaborate. It was a necessary evil. Had to do it. Leave it at that. Don’t question where and why.

Do not turn this into a drama. These are girls who fok for money.

One last thing: Neither of you has the kind of fun I have. I had about 20 girls lined up for Saturday night. I ditched most of them only because I was too tired by the time I was supposed to go out/ meet them at the nightclubs. Only X-girl was able to catch me returning to my hotel so I could not avoid her. But yeah, you guys have no idea the kind of fun I have. Not 25% and not 75%. Think more like 2000%

And Carlos, thank you for mending the damage I leave behind. You're a true friend.

Damn... from now it's Le Cabron... lol.

20 girls??? What is it? Are you double cross-eyed or something like that????


Let me explain that mongers reading us are getting mixed signals.
They think Monterrey club girls are easy marks, when we have read time after time that people visiting Monterrey,here and at other forums, are sometimes dissapointed by the way the girls act and the difficulty in getting them at the clubs.

So I am being clear that trying to get a girl has its catch, clubs are tricky sometimes and some work has to be done.
It isn't as USB seems to point out that just by knowing the rules, you are all set, no problem at all.

There are complicated rules of thumb one must know to fully understand.




PS. The N girl at the Prestige a GF candidate?
This girl will not get close to me cause she can't get money out of my pocket. For me she is already old news, come and gone. Am inmune to her charms.
She's never achieved and orgasm, she does not want to have one with a customer, she cares more for her actual BF.
Waste of time.
I got 3 girls at the Prestige pitted against each other, that are far superior than her.







[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]You two need to end this. Take a chill pill and move on.

Carlos, you know after all these years, 7? that Bob will not see things your way nor will you be able to change his way of thinking. He is living a dream while blinded by the young cute little chicas. Let him be.

And Bob, you love to argue. You love to post on ISG as much as you love your girl, if not more. You fail to see the point. You pick on a single issue and beat it to death while you seem to overlook what Carlos is saying. You try to read between the lines while there are no lines to read.

Bob will fall for any girl that would kiss him. Even if she turns around and French-kisses me while she is setting with him holding his hand.

Oh yeah, you guys know who I am. No need to elaborate. It was a necessary evil. Had to do it. Leave it at that. Don’t question where and why.

Do not turn this into a drama. These are girls who fok for money.

One last thing: Neither of you has the kind of fun I have. I had about 20 girls lined up for Saturday night. I ditched most of them only because I was too tired by the time I was supposed to go out/ meet them at the nightclubs. Only X-girl was able to catch me returning to my hotel so I could not avoid her. But yeah, you guys have no idea the kind of fun I have. Not 25% and not 75%. Think more like 2000%

And Carlos, thank you for mending the damage I leave behind. You're a true friend.[/QUOTE]

Of course, it isn't bad crap, it is sane advice. I realize that it is made as though I were a conventional monger. But, of course, we all know I am not. As for the cost factor, the majority of the cost is in travel expense. The cost of girls is literally peanuts in comparison. But, of course, I haven't really mongered in about 2 years. I dabble, but only looking very carefully over my shoulder. Those Mexican girls can be very dangerous when provoked, and my GF is no exception. :-)))

[QUOTE=Amigomio]"And, even though Carlos gives me a lot of crap about not understanding the dynamic in Monterrey"

Well, I do it for starters cause you are my friend.
And it ain't bad crap, it's sane crap. You just stopped hearing recomendations.
Sane recomendations that you do not pay attention to and it has cost you money.[/QUOTE]

Are there any laws regarding porn production in Mexico. Is anybody producing porn in Monterrey? I know there's an adult website based in Guadalajara. I see alot of porn coming out of South America but almost nothing from Mexico. Does anybody know anything about this subject?

OK Carlos. You posted earlier that my X-girl is dangerous and is uncontrollable. I agree and I even admit that she is wild like hell.

Now the story is that she got married a year ago to her lesbian partner, who is just as hot, and I was a condition for their marriage. X-girl was not allowed to be seen with me. On the other hand, when the lesbian partner worked at Infinito, she too was forbidden from even talking to me. So they were both instructed, by each other, not to interact with me. Cool.... while in reality, they would both sneak me into their lives risking it all. Now that was a thrill.

Carlos warned me many times not to mingle with their personal lives.

While you, Carlos, had an incident with X-girl and you refused to even set with me if she was around... well .. she is back and she has broken up with her girl. She came back to me just as loving as ever, if not more. She was again mine against your wise advice. And I mean wise in the full sense....

Now, how shocked were you when I forced X-girl to apologize to you? Do you now see how to tame a tiger?

Do you recall when Dreadvany retuned to Infinito? Do you recall that we both were expecting fireworks when I walked into Infinito? Dreadvany came down from the lineup to say hello to me. Sweet P and Julie yelled out from the stage "Y nosotros?" I had to walk up tot he stage and give them both a hug. All while X-girl was watching with bloody red eyes just about ready to kill us all. And crunchy S just waited her turn. Weren't you shocked when I had them 5 or 7 or .... man .. how many? I had them all at my table and each was acting, or trying to act, like a lady pretending to be my special one?

That was the first time you admitted your shock at how I am able to handle the situation and the dangerous girls. The 2nd time was, as I mentioned above, when X-girl apologized to you. You did not expect that.

OK. Enough of that. I am not trying to complement myself. I just wanted to clarify that these girls are nothing but little cute lovely crunchy hot damm sexy adorable kittens that 'we' must fully control. Never ever allow any of these girls to have control. Not even over another one of our girls.

Well, expect for when they ganged up on of my Sweet P’s friends and paid to have her kicked out o f the club. That I could not control. However, that girl still comes with Sweet P and gives me good love while Sweet P joins when things heat up. Ahhh the pain. Sweet P wants to make sure she earns the right to get paid too. I know what she’s doing.

Later. Be safe.