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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2478082]BTW, I live in Florida, which is one of the 6 states that is not initially on the list of states allowed into CR in September. Yeah, we have pretty high Corona numbers and it amazes me frankly, but the vast majority of Floridians know how to take care of themselves and stay healthy. We don't want the government to tell us what we have to do. We like out freedom here.[/QUOTE]Maybe it depends what your definition of "freedom" is. At one extreme some libertarians think that freedom means no constraints on behavior, "you should be able to do whatever you want. " From another perspective individual freedom ends at the tip of the other guy's nose, and it's government's role to balance out various interests. Did I hear that a judge in Florida recently ruled that the Governor cannot compel schools to open up face-to-face? I suppose the judge's rationale may have been that only local school districts have that authority.

An alternative argument could be that other families, teachers, janitors, lunchroom staff, bus drivers, and administrators have a right not to be forced into covid spreader contexts. Children lack the discipline to not congregate, yell, cough and sneeze, and rub up against each other. There's one guy who keeps insisting that kids are "practically immune. " Not true. Kids' symptoms are less severe, but they are often asymptomatic spreaders. "Wow, let's truck some of this stuff home to grandma. ".

My daughter teaches autistic kids in a state near yours. They have not resisted their Governor's directive for face-to-face instruction. The school district is providing masks for teachers and kids, but they will not mandate wearing them. Teachers would like to do what retail businesses and doctors' offices are doing, putting up plexiglass shields around their work stations, but there is no budget for it. So the only way they'll get plexiglass is if they pay for it themselves. On teachers' salaries, in addition to the money they already spend out of pocket to provide things the school budget doesn't pay for – Kleenex, pens and pencils, snacks, etc. -- and that poor kids' families can't afford. Seems like teachers ought to have some freedom rights in this equation too.

[QUOTE=Locamotive;2478256]Still 14 day quarantine. Bummer. I miss the pre COVID-19 days when you just went though customs and start texting and cutie at hotel when you get there. I guess that is still a ways off. Its a start, I guess.[/QUOTE]Until there is a miracle cure, or a herd immunity of some type, it will be like this (mandated quarantine of foreigners -- some countries repatriating their own citizens are quarantining them also, including Phils). The host country will require the foreigner to agree in advance to a quarantine, to pay for his quarantine, and to pay for any other related expenses prior to departing the country. Without the miracle cure / vaccine or other immunity, this could last for years. Smile.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2478318]My daughter teaches autistic kids in a state near yours. They have not resisted their Governor's directive for face-to-face instruction. The school district is providing masks for teachers and kids, but they will not mandate wearing them. Teachers would like to do what retail businesses and doctors' offices are doing, putting up plexiglass shields around their work stations, but there is no budget for it. So the only way they'll get plexiglass is if they pay for it themselves. On teachers' salaries, in addition to the money they already spend out of pocket to provide things the school budget doesn't pay for Kleenex, pens and pencils, snacks, etc. -- and that poor kids' families can't afford. Seems like teachers ought to have some freedom rights in this equation too.[/QUOTE]I empathize with your daughter's situation. I also feel for the waitresses and grocery store employees among many others that work on the front lines with the public. We live in trying times, but concerning your daughter, you will have to show me where & in what states and counties teachers will be forced to teach in the classroom against their will or face getting fired.

Check out this link to [URL]ClickOrlando.com[/URL] dated August 24th concerning the ruling from a Florida Judge on Mandatory School Openings. The bottom line of this decision is no mandatory anything and no teacher will lose his or her job for refusing to enter a classroom for valid health reasons. I don't know in which state your daughter resides, but I think she will likely wind up with the same freedom as Florida teachers. I could be wrong. If so, let me know. But the Florida case is an example of how issues are decided in a democratic country (small d). There are 3 independent branches of government that act as checks and balances on each other to prevent abuse of power from any particular branch. The President or Governor, the Legislature, and the Judiciary. But you know that. I am just saying it out loud.

[URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/08/24/judge-sides-with-florida-teachers-union-says-districts-should-decide-if-schools-should-reopen/[/URL]

But now, let's take a look at the flip side of this coin where in a different state a different Governor mandated the closing of all fitness centers against the wishes of the owners, the work staff and the customers. A judge ruled that this mandatory closing was unconstitutional too, but then an appellate court overturned that ruling. One owner has refused to close his place. The case will probably end up in the Supreme Court unless the Governor of this state relents which is highly unlikely considering her strong political bias. The owners will most likely prevail in the long run, but at what cost? Their freedom and that of their staff and customers has been infringed upon. IMHO. Furthermore, this small business may go out of business while waiting for justice. So, the situation has become a hot political issue in the state and will have an affect on how the state votes in the upcoming election. It will be very interesting to see which side wins.

Note: We should probably take this discussion somewhere else if we want to continue it. The American Politics thread is the one set aside by Admin. We (myself most definitely included) have drifted more than a few clicks from Philippine General Info.

[QUOTE=Bushes;2478231]Well. Anyone notice the news that over a quarter of New Delhi residents are suspected to have been infected with Covid19? That is one country that is actively practicing "don't test don't tell". As well as forcing a mass migration of poor workers during the beginning of the epidemic. Images of officials hosing the trapped and stranded victims.[/QUOTE]Well, we have another great advice from the US, in this case the CDC (centers for disease control). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted Thursday to clarify controversial coronavirus testing guidelines published Monday that said people with no symptoms "do not necessarily need a test" even if they were exposed to an infected person.

With all these great advice and examples from the US, UK, and others, everyone will probably get infected once. So PI will have no reason to remain shut. The urge to make money is stronger than urge of the little head.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2478333]Until there is a miracle cure, or a herd immunity of some type, it will be like this (mandated quarantine of foreigners -- some countries repatriating their own citizens are quarantining them also, including Phils). The host country will require the foreigner to agree in advance to a quarantine, to pay for his quarantine, and to pay for any other related expenses prior to departing the country. Without the miracle cure / vaccine or other immunity, this could last for years. Smile.[/QUOTE]I must say that a lot of people are not thinking this through. It is extremely unlikely a QUALITY vaccine will be available to all of us in 2020. The virus will stay and many more will be infected. I do not think the herd approach will be achieved in 1-2 years. However, I am very optimistic! The reason is governments and the population will gradually realize that the virus is very contagious but has a very low death rate. In Philippines the total deaths so far has been 3000 out of a population of 120 million. That 3000 was almost certainly mainly old, frail or people with serious secondary health issues. Next year people will see that there has been a massive overreaction to the virus and sanity will prevail and things will normalize. Unfortunately, in the interim many businesses will go bust and it will take time for many to overcome their fear and trauma.

Don't Test, Don't Tell. Problem solved?. Because ignoring the problem always works right?

Looks like they are paying people to NOT have covid. Genius plan. Looks like they have this under control.

"Barangays with no virus case for 2 months will get P100,000 – Mayor Isko".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLx9SnK6SI[/URL]

[QUOTE=MontanaMonger;2480027]"Barangays with no virus case for 2 months will get P100,000 Mayor Isko".
[/QUOTE]As if that's not going straight into the barangay's captain family pocket.

I came across this site, [URL]https://www.dima.ph/[/URL] it is an on line reproductive health site. While it mostly sells condoms and birth control pills it has a generic Viagra pill for 4 pills 400 p 50 MG, 100 MG 4 pills 760 p.

You order on line for home delivery, they say one to two days in Metro Manila.

Delivery fee and "doctor consultation" fee extra.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2480096]I came across this site, [URL]https://www.dima.ph/[/URL] it is an on line reproductive health site. While it mostly sells condoms and birth control pills it has a generic Viagra pill for 4 pills 400 p 50 MG, 100 MG 4 pills 760 p.

You order on line for home delivery, they say one to two days in Metro Manila.

Delivery fee and "doctor consultation" fee extra.[/QUOTE]KG you are the best!

760 php (400 MG enough for 1 month daily use) + 100 php (2-3 days shipping) + 100 php (Doctor consultation fee) = 960 php TOTAL.

I will order it closer to my Manila flight so I can get it the day I will arrive.

One question, how trustworthy is this website?

Have you purchase anything from there?

I'm planning to pay with Paypal so I guess my payment will be secure this way.

[QUOTE=SteveNash;2480340]KG you are the best!

760 php (400 MG enough for 1 month daily use) + 100 php (2-3 days shipping) + 100 php (Doctor consultation fee) = 960 php TOTAL.

I will order it closer to my Manila flight so I can get it the day I will arrive.

One question, how trustworthy is this website?

Have you purchase anything from there?

I'm planning to pay with Paypal so I guess my payment will be secure this way.[/QUOTE]I have no idea how trustworthy the site is, you can order COD to be safe that at least you get something. I just saw it in the CNN Philippine web site as an article on safe and private family planning. Since I use Cialis, and right now they do not have that or a generic I will have to wait to see if they end up offering that.

Don't forget to bring a pill cutter if you are going to spread the pills out over a month. You may have trouble finding one here. I know Amazon sells lots of them.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2480397]I have no idea how trustworthy the site is, you can order COD to be safe that at least you get something. I just saw it in the CNN Philippine web site as an article on safe and private family planning. Since I use Cialis, and right now they do not have that or a generic I will have to wait to see if they end up offering that.

Don't forget to bring a pill cutter if you are going to spread the pills out over a month. You may have trouble finding one here. I know Amazon sells lots of them.[/QUOTE]Way overpriced IMHO, Lazada has better deals.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2481071]Way overpriced IMHO, Lazada has better deals.[/QUOTE]Well, sunny beaches. Nice work Beavis.

[URL]https://www.lazada.com.ph/catalog/?spm=a2o4l.home.search.2.239e359dyD25sM&q=sildenafil%20100%20mg&_keyori=ss&clickTrackInfo=textId--1119462902632202000__abId--154854__pvid--e2050d06-f444-4ee2-a4c9-b0b15a810257&from=suggest_normal&sugg=sildenafil%20100%20mg_1_1[/URL]

Ano see how you are

[QUOTE=Bushes;2479005]Well, we have another great advice from the US, in this case the CDC (centers for disease control). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention attempted Thursday to clarify controversial coronavirus testing guidelines published Monday that said people with no symptoms "do not necessarily need a test" even if they were exposed to an infected person.

With all these great advice and examples from the US, UK, and others, everyone will probably get infected once. So PI will have no reason to remain shut. The urge to make money is stronger than urge of the little head.[/QUOTE]There is recently talk from the CDC that a vaccine will be fast tracked at wrap speed, like rendesavir was, in time for the US elections. However, again, the Russian's wrap speed Sputnik beat the US to the punch. That one most likely will not make it outside the US.

It will be interesting. People finally are realizing that the current vaccines in late trials are not going to solve everything. So covid free travels to PI will not be widely available. That silver linings are for those youngsters on the ground in PI. The buffet prices on girls is getting great.

What's a normal temperature range (celcius)? Those hand-held thermal laser scanners that they use almost everywhere here, pointed at your forehead. What's is a reasonable low or high temp reading that would allow someone from entering a mall, government office, or business? What temp is considered too high (fever)?