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[QUOTE=Citizen;1146728]Was getting pretty good explanations till the famous frenchie butted in, I guess this is a free forum and one is free to ask for explanantions whichever thread it be![/QUOTE]Actually, you are wrong, which is weird for a member who's been here since 2004. Didn't you pay attention to anything here in 7 years? Jackson does not want talks about Transvestites on public threads which is why he created the LB Thread.

But hey, don't take the Frenchie's word for it. I am just saying.

To go on this point a little, Farang are fine as boyfriend if you are a "socially acceptable farang (as far as can be)" to other Thai's.

Thais are all about social acceptance, so if you speak Thai, look ok, have a decent job then you can just about enter the "acceptable" (or is it tolerated) level of Thai social standings. This means that most girls will be happy to have you as a boyfriend (but you will still be unacceptable to the xeonophobic yellow shirt families and Hi-So corruptos).

Thai girls want to talk and socialise and if you cannot speak Thai and they cannot speak English well you are never going to get very far.

Likewise if you are 50 and going with a 22 year old its not really acceptable. They will smile to your face and frown to your back.

Lets be honest. 90% of farang in Thailand are pretty damn ugly, old, fat or whatever. They might not like to admit it, they might think some nice clothes hides it. But its there for all to see. I would say over 90% of farang are unacceptable to Thai girls to be real boyfriends, and this is why people get the impression that girls prefer Thai. Thats a generalisation due to most farang being unacceptable. Given the choice of a socially acceptable Thai speaking farang and a Thai. Most girls would take the farang opton as farang are much more into pleasing a girl than Thai's. Be it socially or in the bed.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1146927]Not all do, you're generalizing. All what it takes is the typical "divorce" when they already have one or two kids, and they will not want to have anything to do with Thai men anymore in their life.

Come on, what is exactly the reputation of Thai men as responsible, trustful husbands and fathers? For an example just look at the personal history of the Thai Royal Prince, apparent heir to the throne but that every Thai is ashamed of, actually one reason more for wishing long live to the King.

Really it takes very little effort to "beat" a Thai man in the affection department, how come is that I often see Western guys lovely caring and carrying around their half Thai offsprings on the motorbike, at the beach or wherever, while I can't easily recall a Thai man doing the same. Or tell me if you go to any supermarket do you see Thai men shop around or heaven forbid carry the bags? Maybe doing so is a sign of weakness in the Thai culture (apparently pretty much anything is) but you know what, culture can influence a simple, uneducated mind up to a certain point, then common senses take over and steer the decision the sane way.

A confirmation I had, I have been hanging out with Thai ladies for weeks at times, and they never had a single phone conversation with any Thai man, not even the brother. Instead what they were getting all the time was the occasional call or email from some Western type, even to just say Hi how are you doing. Naturally, they were pleased, did NOT asked for money, and generally commented about the "good man". Was this all fake? I don't think so.

Thai women knows that the Falangs can and will butterfly same or more as a Thai do, they will make a bad face about it, but it's just to play the role, our overall reputation as reliable providers is too strong to be affected by the occasional "night out with friends".

Again, sure there is the girl like the one I knew in Pattaya that will happily confess "falang not my type" but we're talking about a lazy street worker living day by day with no plans for the future and nobody to care for. That is a minority not a majority. What the _average_ bar or massage or FL girl above 26 yrs or even less, is to make about the same money (not much really) she does being a SW, by fucking just a single guy and looking after him and his home. Quite a desirable objective if you think about it. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1146944]Actually, you are wrong, which is weird for a member who's been here since 2004. Didn't you pay attention to anything here in 7 years? Jackson does not want talks about Transvestites on public threads which is why he created the LB Thread.

But hey, don't take the Frenchie's word for it. I am just saying. [/QUOTE]Ok if you are aware I have been here for the last 7 yrs and do RTTF quite frequently, then obviously I don't have the info I asked for, but then you are the famous frenchie, maybe you could ask Jackson to create a currency thread as well, so that there are no confusions.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1146803]ow, about the rich Thais paying (according to you)"stupid money for girls with fair skin", they are not that numerous. I'm pretty sure that more than 95% of the local male population would never pay "5, 000 baht or much higher for superstar girls in massage places". Those who do are a little bit like Ferrari owners. Again, you are perfectly entitled to dislike their Ferrari, but it doesn't change the price of this luxury car on the local market. It might be an indecent price for you, but that's not overpaying if it is the real value of a Ferrari on this market.

IMHO, you don't overpay when you pay the price of a Ferrari to buy a Ferrari, or the price of a Porsche to get a Porsche or the price of a Lada for a Lada. You overpay (for instance) when you pay the price of a Porsche for a Lada (and you look like an idiot when it's obvious that you are mistaking your Lada for a Porsche) [/QUOTE]What percentage of farangs fly to Thailand and sleep with prostitutes? Those who do should be compared to those 5% rich Ferrari-owner Thais at the massage parlour overpaying for the fair skinned superstar models.

Again I agree with you, but I'm just unconvinced that a Porsche is a Porsche because the Thais say it is. If you want to pay prices determined solely by a market of thai men (and overpay for fair skin instead) , you need to get out of BKK, Pattaya and Patong and away from the tourists, because in those places farangs are the market.

[QUOTE=Evianist;1146947]What percentage of farangs fly to Thailand and sleep with prostitutes? Those who do should be compared to those 5% rich Ferrari-owner Thais at the massage parlour overpaying for the fair skinned superstar models.

Again I agree with you, but I'm just unconvinced that a Porsche is a Porsche because the Thais say it is. If you want to pay prices determined solely by a market of thai men (and overpay for fair skin instead) , you need to get out of BKK, Pattaya and Patong and away from the tourists, because in those places farangs are the market.[/QUOTE]
In your own country, the price of a mango is probably much higher than its price in Thailand. Do you think that you overpay for a mango when you are at home? I don't think so.

Many people would rather eat a good pizza instead of blintzes smeared with fresh sturgeon caviar. And many people might think that the price of caviar is indecent, especially since that, according to them, it is not as delicious as a much cheaper pizza. As long as you pay the real market value of those products (the price of caviar to get caviar, the price of a pizza to get a pizza), you don't overpay and that's perfectly fine.

Therefore, while traveling or living abroad, you should take into account the local value of the products and services on the local market. All local markets worldwide have their own pros and cons. As a foreigner, you might have come here because you really like mangoes and know that they are much cheaper than in your home country. Then, as a well-informed person, you would pay the local price for mangoes, because you know their real value on the local market.

The problem in tourist-oriented venues is that, because many foreigners are misinformed, they are taken advantage of by the locals, and end up paying much more than the real local market value.

The girls on the local P4P market know their own real value. Many tourists are willing to pay the price of a Porsche to buy a Lada, but at the end of the day, they still have a Lada and not a Porsche. All the Thais (including the P4P girls themselves), most of the long-term residents and probably a few other tourists as well know it.

Most tourist-oriented P4P places are like zoos built in the middle of a profuse jungle, exhibiting very common local species, and charging visitors ridiculously high (by local standards) admission prices. But at the end of the day, a chimp is still a chimp and not a white tiger, regardless of the price that you've paid for admiring monkeys at this local zoo. And those who come more often than most tourists and stay a bit longer in the jungle will eventually realize that they are surrounded by much more interesting monkeys (plus other rarer species that are not shown in the tourist-oriented zoos) and don't have to pay a (relatively) high price to observe them.

A chimp knows that he can't pretend being a white tiger. Maybe he is the most interesting monkey in his zoo, but once back in the jungle, nobody would notice him... unless for his foolishness if he's acting like he were a white tiger (which might happen if the chimp has stayed too long in the zoo and started to believe that he's a real star, since so many foreign visitors are paying a high price to admire him). But most chimps always remember that they are only monkeys, even if many visitors mistake them for white tigers.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1147000]In your own country, the price of a mango is probably much higher than its price in Thailand. Do you think that you overpay for a mango when you are at home? I don't think so.

Many people would rather eat a good pizza instead of blintzes smeared with fresh sturgeon caviar. And many people might think that the price of caviar is indecent, especially since that, according to them, it is not as delicious as a much cheaper pizza. As long as you pay the real market value of those products (the price of caviar to get caviar, the price of a pizza to get a pizza) , you don't overpay and that's perfectly fine.

Therefore, while traveling or living abroad, you should take into account the local value of the products and services on the local market. All local markets worldwide have their own pros and cons. As a foreigner, you might have come here because you really like mangoes and know that they are much cheaper than in your home country. Then, as a well-informed person, you would pay the local price for mangoes, because you know their real value on the local market.

The problem in tourist-oriented venues is that, because many foreigners are misinformed, they are taken advantage of by the locals, and end up paying much more than the real local market value.

The girls on the local P4P market know their own real value. Many tourists are willing to pay the price of a Porsche to buy a Lada, but at the end of the day, they still have a Lada and not a Porsche. All the Thais (including the P4P girls themselves) , most of the long-term residents and probably a few other tourists as well know it.

Most tourist-oriented P4P places are like zoos built in the middle of a profuse jungle, exhibiting very common local species, and charging visitors ridiculously high (by local standards) admission prices. But at the end of the day, a chimp is still a chimp and not a white tiger, regardless of the price that you've paid for admiring monkeys at this local zoo. And those who come more often than most tourists and stay a bit longer in the jungle will eventually realize that they are surrounded by much more interesting monkeys (plus other rarer species that are not shown in the tourist-oriented zoos) and don't have to pay a (relatively) high price to observe them.

A chimp knows that he can't pretend being a white tiger. Maybe he is the most interesting monkey in his zoo, but once back in the jungle, nobody would notice him. Unless for his foolishness if he's acting like he were a white tiger (which might happen if the chimp has stayed too long in the zoo and started to believe that he's a real star, since so many foreign visitors are paying a high price to admire him). But most chimps always remember that they are only monkeys, even if many visitors mistake them for white tigers. [/QUOTE]Just so well stated. Too bad most folks won't listen. The worst part of overpaying is the attitude change one sees in the gals. As you said, they know their value, and view overpaying Farang as fools and have zero respect for them. This eventually causes them to have no respect for any of us. And that can easily be seen by the way they treat many of us in the bars. Behavior no Thai man would tolerate. For me it has been oilies for several years and I know I am going to get good service for the allotted time. Gogos and FLs are way too much of a crap shoot.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1146947]What percentage of farangs fly to Thailand and sleep with prostitutes? Those who do should be compared to those 5% rich Ferrari-owner Thais at the massage parlour overpaying for the fair skinned superstar models.

Again I agree with you, but I'm just unconvinced that a Porsche is a Porsche because the Thais say it is. If you want to pay prices determined solely by a market of thai men (and overpay for fair skin instead) , you need to get out of BKK, Pattaya and Patong and away from the tourists, because in those places farangs are the market. [/QUOTE]Another issue is that many guys don't come to Thailand to screw prostitutes. They come here to date them. And that is a mistake. Learn to compartmentalize like the Asian man and you will have far more fun and run into less trouble.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1146823]Yes it's more the real value. Just compare that with the tourist spots in BKK.

High end soapie 3500= 2 hours of sex with pretty girl (considered pretty by asian standards and with symetrical features) including good service where girl caters to man. Also, regular std checkups.

Tourist scene. 2000+600bf + ST room 300=2900. Bitchy and often not so attractive girl who is not tested for stds. 30 min. Sex with one pop, and girl is rushing service. This whole affair is really only worth about 1500b. It's way overpriced, but there are no shortage of customers. Amazing Thailand[/QUOTE]Good service? I would say it is a toss up and many of the high end soapies. Girls are very polite but some insist on CBJ, will not kiss, and want to run the show from their script and their script alone.

[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1146855]Hello,

I want know if it exist good agencies escorts in Bangkok?

If yes thank you give adress please. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1146899]For how long?

I ask because you are much better off going to some of the MP's and taking a girl out. Cheaper and a good face to face prior. [/QUOTE]I prefer agencies because she accepte to do a test detection MST before my arrive.

I want a girl for 6-10 days.

I search a good agencies in Thailand, If yes thank you give adress please.

[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1147056]I prefer agencies because she accepte to do a test detection MST before my arrive.

[/QUOTE]Your is a very naive thinking. How do you know what test someone really does and doesn't? An agency is there only to make a mark-up from lazy, non-informed customers like you by providing girls that are not shy to post their pictures and running a polished website. They do not really care about anybody health if not their own.

It is NOT like a service guaranteeing anything! Try asking them to send tests results together with the girl LOL!

If you want a girl tested go to the nearest center that does it, pay for an urgent service, look at the result with your own eyes.

By the way what you will do in the meanwhile, jack-off from 2 meters?

The agencies in russia and in england that I know provide evidence of the test.

Why agency Thailand don't do?

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1147000]The girls on the local P4P market know their own real value. Many tourists are willing to pay the price of a Porsche to buy a Lada, but at the end of the day, they still have a Lada and not a Porsche. All the Thais (including the P4P girls themselves) , most of the long-term residents and probably a few other tourists as well know it.

Most tourist-oriented P4P places are like zoos built in the middle of a profuse jungle, exhibiting very common local species, and charging visitors ridiculously high (by local standards) admission prices. But at the end of the day, a chimp is still a chimp and not a white tiger, regardless of the price that you've paid for admiring monkeys at this local zoo. And those who come more often than most tourists and stay a bit longer in the jungle will eventually realize that they are surrounded by much more interesting monkeys (plus other rarer species that are not shown in the tourist-oriented zoos) and don't have to pay a (relatively) high price to observe them. [/QUOTE]What do you think is a fair price for the girls who work at Nana and Cowboy?

Taking into account that they learn English and provide much better sex than the girls who service thai men.

[QUOTE=Azertiefou; 1147068]The agencies in russia and in england that I know provide evidence of the test.

Why agency Thailand don't do? [/QUOTE]If you start asking questions like this I highly recommend you DO NOT come to Thailand. Either accept the place as it is, or stay home, because be reassured, they could not care less about how things are done in other places.

If you have a problem look for a solution, not an explication all the time.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1146898]It seems these girls are just as gullible with their "friends" as we farang are with them. My married 28 year old girl in Pattaya pawned her ipad for 8000 baht because her friend's boyfriend was in the hospital and they had to pay the hospital. I explained to her that that was not her responsibility. If his family and friends or his girlfriend's family did not help, how and why does she all of a sudden become the savior? Surely, it is because she lives in Europe so when she arrives back in Pattaya they all look at her the same as they look at us, as a walking ATM. What would they have done if she had not been there? I told her that she needed to worry about helping herself and her family because other people are always going to have problems but their problems are not for her to worry about. Because when her money runs out then she is going to be sitting in the same boat as they are.[/QUOTE]Just curious Mr. E. What was your girl's reaction to your logic?

[QUOTE=Evianist;1147069]What do you think is a fair price for the girls who work at Nana and Cowboy?

Taking into account that they learn English and provide much better sex than the girls who service thai men.[/QUOTE]
555! It depends on [url="http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/ST/comments.htm"]so many criteria[/url]!

I don't think that you are going to easily pay a "fair price" nowadays in those tourist-oriented areas (those are like the overpriced zoos built in the middle of the jungle described in my previous post).

If we are speaking about "reasonable prices", I have already stated earlier that as a foreigner, it's not unreasonable to pay approximately 25% more than what the locals would pay for similar quality in comparable places. I also take into account other things such as what services the girl is willing to provide, if she allows me to make a video of our session or not, etc.

You can also have a look at the average prices that are computed here (based on several criteria): [url]http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/ST/area.htm[/url]

While those average prices are not exactly "fair prices" in my book (knowing the average quality available at those locations), at least, they are not unreasonable for tourist-oriented venues in Bangkok.