Amsterdam

[QUOTE=SpringLife;1569290]But as a tourist, the reason I came to Amsterdam was because it was supposed to be open and legal, hence such behavior should not be tolerated. I would expect the government would want to protect tourists from fraud? A restaurant can't scam customers and continue to operate for 4 years!
[/QUOTE]And what can you do if the restaurant scams you? You could go to the police and file a lawsuit. Theoretically you could do the same with that girl. Of course, you wouldn't want to do that for several reasons. You know, the law is one thing, how well or if it is enforced at all, is a different matter altogether. Don't know where you are from but in some areas of the world you realize these things better than in others. And the government wants to see these things receding from the city anyway, so they could not care less. It has long been recognised that the RLD offers little to no insurance to customers, you should know the name of the game of choose to participate.

Sorry for your experience, but you should know that tourists being trapped is quite a common occurrence all over the world, not just in this trade.

My first experience in dam Square was a scam. Saw a beauty at the entrance window near dam square. She said was Spanish and looked hot with glasses on. Quoted 50 euro for suck and fuck. After entering she didn't undress and starts giving me a HJ. Negotiated for 50 more to undress and fuck. Also said could do twice for a total of 150. Paid her 150 she was not at all interested finished once and walked out. There's nothing I could do about this incident. Learnt a lesson and became cautious for all future experiences. But had a good time with couple of others later.

[QUOTE=SpringLife;1568918]Sadly, I have been scammed by a number of girls in Amsterdam, but never at this level and this is the only time I bothered to note the girl and location. She said her name was Christine but I believe that was a lie. She was a slim straight haired blonde, mid 20's, and was in window Stoofsteeg 3-1 (in Wallen) at night. She took the first 50 after we agreed on standard service plus touching, and then before she did anything, said that if I paid another 50, then she can really pamper me and we would not be limited by time. I only had 20's, so she took 60 and said she would give me 10 back. Not only did she not provide any of the standard services, but she tried to only give me a HJ, which I rejected saying that wasn't what we agreed to. She then turned up her hostility and then said my time was up (it had only been 10 minutes), and I had to leave. I realized too late that I was being scammed, and of course she kept the extra 10, for a total of 110, and I left angry. I will never be back to Amsterdam again.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeutronFlux;1569409]
Sorry for your experience, but you should know that tourists being trapped is quite a common occurrence all over the world, not just in this trade.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And in most cases the point is there's nothing you can prove since you were alone with the person that scammed you.

So government nor police can't do anything about it. It's probably the oldest scam in the world.

[QUOTE=SpringLife;1569290]
I seriously have little reason to come back since I had nothing but great experiences in Germany.[/QUOTE]That's a pity because we have such a wonderful country, LOL!

But seriously: did you go to a comparable RLD in Germany? One with as many tourists as Amsterdam? I don't think so. As far as I know Germany doesn't have such a RLD. Maybe the Reeperbahn in Hamburg comes close but I've never been there.

If you go to another RLD in Holland like the ones in Alkmaar or Den Haag (The Hague) the chances of getting scammed are much less. Hardly any tourists there. And the girls have better attitudes anyway.

However I agree that in general Germany is better for P4P than Holland. In Holland it has gone down hill a lot lately.

It was several years ago but I had a very nice and relaxing time in Alkmaar. It's worth the short train ride. Nice city and be sure to see the Dutch Museum of Stoves!

[QUOTE=Simonwagstaff;1569634]It was several years ago but I had a very nice and relaxing time in Alkmaar. It's worth the short train ride. Nice city and be sure to see the Dutch Museum of Stoves![/QUOTE]I think A RLD never a constitution for a FKK. I think it's comparing a 5 star hotel to a Motel. But some taxi drivers in Amsterdam told me that all Dutch WG's moved to clubs so RLD is not as good as it was before.

He told me that you pay 350€ for entrance and it's all included; your drinks, and girls as much as you want and there are 5-6 girls in each club.

Anyone knows about these clubs?

BR.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1570110]I think A RLD never a constitution for a FKK. I think it's comparing a 5 star hotel to a Motel. But some taxi drivers in Amsterdam told me that all Dutch WG's moved to clubs so RLD is not as good as it was before.

He told me that you pay 350 for entrance and it's all included; your drinks, and girls as much as you want and there are 5-6 girls in each club.

Anyone knows about these clubs?

BR.[/QUOTE]It's the first I've heard about this and honestly, I don't believe this exists in Amsterdam. There is a reason so many Dutch guys (also from Amsterdam) drive to Germany for FKK and pauschal clubs. On Dutch boards there are often discussions on the reasons these kinds of clubs (FKK) seem to struggle to be succesful and the consensus is that Dutch laws and law enforcement make the business model difficult to uphold (fixed prices, club rules). That's why few people go to Yingyang and if you do go, the front desk is hesitant in naming 'house prices' for extras and prolonged sessions. All this would be far more difficult for a pauschal concept (ie All in).

I'm Dutch BTW and less than 50 km from Amsterdam. I only spend my money in Germany.

[QUOTE=Iceberg27;1567483]Quality is much better in FKK's but of course I am not sure a real and fair comparison can be made or not because both are different systems.

But I can simply tell you that if you have the opportunity to be in Germany, you should one hundred percent be in Germany.

Just a 2,5 hours and 30-60 travel cost for you (Per each train) to Cologne. For quality thing I think 20% of girls that you will find in FKK's is will be much more beatiful than you find in RLD.

Briefly get your ass in a train to Cologne and enjoy FKKland.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the comparison. I really enjoyed the RLD window shopping experience. There were more than enough hot Eastern European girls to make my head spin. The service just doesn't match up.

Visited here early on Friday evening. Was short on time and this seemed like a straightforward option. Could probably do with some redecoration but generally ok. Very discreet. You are ushered into a room and the girls all walk in in underwear one at a time, say their name, shake your hand and depart, then you pick the one you want. About 8 were available, of which I went for a tall black girl who was enthusiastic and competent. 80 EUR for 45 minutes.

Generally a good experience but on the debate below, on a cost / choice basis my vote would also be the FKKs without a doubt. That said every town has its own scene and the FKKs being better doesn't make this experience bad.

Hey people,

I just came back from Amsterdam to my country and had to fill you with a report. First day I didn't get into any action and just had a pot.

I wanted to try the RLD. I always read the forums before doing some stuff in a country. There was a really good hint to hit the RLD in Pijp Area. (Cheers for that hint guy! I had some meal in the corner resteurant had couple of beers first. Then checked the area. There were not many windows but there was at least quality of women. I passed two times in front of them and had this feeling to go with a brunnette. She was quite charming. I don't know why but I always kind of find the Romanian girls in these situations.).

She was very cheerful and giving very much attention. I can't say that she was good or bad, but the attitude was really OK when compared to the story below. Probably should try her again.

After that I hit the road to the main RLD after getting couple of more drinks, being dizzy and horny as I should be again. I want to try in the main RLD. The roads were full of people and I was very tired to go back to Pijp Area. (which I say now I should have" Anyway I choose a girl when I was entering to that girls window, the girl next to that window opened the door and called me.

Mistake #1 : don't ever go to places you are called, always pick your girl.

Mistake #2 she said 50 euros and I said yes no negotiation on anything.

Anyway she was kind at first I paid in advance and she started to blow me even didn't let my pants go off compeletely. So I think this would be the best sex ever. And after 2 minutes she asked for more money to fuck. And I said kind of no. And she was pissed of fand didn't let me fuck. Suck me more and jerk me off. But the attitude was the worse of ever! Ever! I still [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] my self off to get into that window after 3 days. And seems like it going to go quite more time till I fuck someone real good!

It is kind of my duty to warn you that kind of people. Her name is "Christine" a blonde. When you take the Old Fishers Pub on your right go straight towards the end of the road and she will be on your left on the other side of the canal. I would not suggest her to anyone even if she was free!

* CANAL *.

(christine) * CANAL *.

X * CANAL *.

* CANAL *.

* CANAL * old fisher pub.

* CANAL *.

* CANAL *.

And one last thing if I ever would do amsterdam again I would definetly avoid Windows or at least center area. And try some Pijp RLD.

Happy Hunting people!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1567366]
The Molensteeg is cheaper, starting from 30 and there can be real gems out there occasionaly. Like Elena at Molensteeg 2-4, working in the day time from +/- 10 AM until 6 PM. A pretty and slim Hungarian blonde, early 20's. She usually sits on a bar stool and seems to be more interested in her phone than in potential customers but don't let that fool you. She's a nice girl and gives good service. And she has a very reasonable command of English also.[/QUOTE]Elena has dark brown hair now. I guess it's her natural color. Just in case someone's looking for her.

Hi Guys,

Anyone have experience of this particular company?

[URL]http://www.redlightsextrips.com/[/URL]

The videos are also up on XHamster and are fairly entertaining.

Are the girls real hookers or actors, I wonder?

Some of them look a cut above the usual window standard in the city centre unless it's another red light area, farther out, maybe?

[QUOTE=Gergiev;1580937]Hi Guys,

Anyone have experience of this particular company?

[URL]http://www.redlightsextrips.com/[/URL]

The videos are also up on XHamster and are fairly entertaining.

Are the girls real hookers or actors, I wonder?

Some of them look a cut above the usual window standard in the city centre unless it's another red light area, farther out, maybe?[/QUOTE]4.

It's filmed at the Wallen that's for sure, but my guess is these girls are porn actresses. I have looked at some of the trailers and they all seem to give porn style service: bareback blowjob, deep throat, cum in mouth, one of them even gets fucked in the ass without condom. Everything is quite unusual for regular window girls.

Furthermore I think 99% of the window girls would not allow to be filmed!

My advice: don't waste your money on this. You don't need it. And you probably pay way too much to get laid.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1581052]
It's filmed at the Wallen that's for sure, but my guess is these girls are porn actresses. I have looked at some of the trailers and they all seem to give porn style service: bareback blowjob, deep throat, cum in mouth, one of them even gets fucked in the ass without condom. Everything is quite unusual for regular window girls.

Furthermore I think 99% of the window girls would not allow to be filmed!

My advice: don't waste your money on this. You don't need it. And you probably pay way too much to get laid.[/QUOTE]Hi Mogwai, thanks for the reply.

And don't worry, it's not the kind of venture I would be tempted to spend my money on!

My interest was if some of the performers were genuine hookers and would then be worth seeking out, independently.

But I'm inclined to agree that they are not regular 'window girls' but actors.

Also, the same room is used in a lot of the videos but with different girls which is suspect.

Incidentally, I see the charismatic occasional hostess, Ilse de Rooij, admits to starting her career as a hooker in a 'private' in Den Haag before being spotted there and offered a role on an adult TV channel.

I might just make an exception for her! :)

[QUOTE=Gergiev;1584086]
Incidentally, I see the charismatic occasional hostess, Ilse de Rooij, admits to starting her career as a hooker in a 'private' in Den Haag before being spotted there and offered a role on an adult TV channel.

I might just make an exception for her! :)[/QUOTE]Well that might be possible because she works for Diane's Secret now, another 'private' in Den Haag: [URL]http://www.ds-girls.nl/dame/?girlName=Ilse[/URL].

Available on Saturdays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

She gets very positive reviews on 'the' Dutch mongers site.

Laan van Nieuw Oost Indie 200 A.

2593 CC Den Haag.

Tel: 070-3476318.

Email: [EMAIL]info@ds-girls.nl[/EMAIL].