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[quote=evianist; 1147461]this is my main concern.

the more women get spoiled, the lower the service drops and the bigger the demands get because they need you less. until eventually you have farang countries, where you're required to buy even an unattractive woman an expensive diamond ring simply to be given the opportunity to financially support her for the rest of your life, and if you later decide to leave her you'll be financially raped.

men come to thailand to get away from that.

the more you bring with you the insecure western man attitude of opening up the bank account the moment she says hello, to you, the more u-turn thai women into farang women. [/quote]absolutely spot on! and so many of them come here and create the same type of relationships they have had back home. change is required on the man's part. asian women are in part asian women because of the way they are treated by asian men. there is middle ground here.

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1147431]You are not alone to think along those lines, Mr D!

I, for sure, do not monger thinking that I am here to protect the purchasing power of others. I monger for my own benefit, as, actually, everyone else does, but doesn't recognise. Could not give a damn if somebody else can't afford the price I pay. Their problem, not mine.

Topic has been exhausted many times already, but reignited every time some new members come up.

History has shown, not only in BKK, but everywhere, that so called "calls for unity" betwen mongers is an absolute waste of time. But everyone is free to campain in vain. [/QUOTE]We all go to the same venues and share the same girls and it is in all our interests to keep things in line.

Here is my reply to all who responded. If you agreed with me, then you understood what I meant. For others, let me elaborate. Excuse me for the xtra long post.

1. For those who complain: Do you really think that the market of buyers are composed of the few hundred here in this forum? That if we as a group enforced the prices, we would be able control the prices? There are thousands of men (and some women) who come to LOS for the pleasure of sex. They come from all kind of social backgrounds and all kind of wealth. For some 10K is chump change and for others even 100 Baht is a lot. Some consider the dark Isaan skin as a beauty while other prefer the pale skin of the Chinese. So, these men pay what they can afford and their perceived beauty level.

So, if I feel that a girl is a stunner, I might just pay a little higher price just to lay her. On the other hand, if I am running short of cash, I might a) bargain or be) walk away and look for another. Now if I bargain, I might not have a good time, because the girl may think "He is only paying so much, but I am worth more". Yes, you can always kick her out, but the time has been wasted. On the other hand, I might be able to have a good time at the bargained price. It is the luck of the draw.

2. Define stunner: When I posted what I though was good looking to me, a lot wrote back they were marginal. Not for me. I define stunner by attractiveness (it is different from beauty) and attitude. So, if you tell me I overpaid my choice, you would be incorrect. In my mind I paid for a stunner, which you define as ordinary. So where do we draw the line?

3. Go back to your country: What this means is when you go to the market and you feel the prices are high, you can either go to a different market or go back. Now, the airfares have been going up every year. Yet how many of you complain and not come. Same thing here. This is the age of internet and such. When too many punters are making a bee line for LOS, the supply and demand model starts playing. The girls know they can get better prices, if they hold their ground, because there is some other desperate punter waiting in line. The guys have a choice of picking from the pool. But they are only going for the stunners. So the price goes up.

If you are willing to pay extra, you can get the stunners early in the evening. Or wait till they have serviced 5 customers and are giving you "pity" chance at the end of the shift.

As far as I am concerned, if I have the money I pay for it. If I can get them to lower the price, great. If not I just go to the MP and get my rocks off. I am not here to marry them, am I.

So please stop whining and crying. It is an open market with all kinds of supply and demand. Find your niche and go for it.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1147434]And you're free to fuel your need for appreciation by overpaying and be taken for a fool.

Also you fail to understand the subject is NOT what you or other can or cannot afford, but that you are stupid enough to pay a 50% or 100% more on the right price. Be that for a 1, 000, 5.000, or 10, 000 girl. Got it now Mr."fuck the others" High Roller? [/QUOTE]Ha ha, very pleased to be stupid, I enjoy my life anyway and, yes, I fuck you wholeheartedly. Actually not, I don't give a damn. Go away and count your pennies.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1147436]Excellent points but it's not really a call for unity as I don't believe the Forum price police really believe what they are parroting. There's more effective ways to try to keep prices low than droning on and on and spamming a sex forum to exhausion. The more I hear these cheap charlies whining about how much someone else pays the more I feel the urge to spoil the market, whatever that means. There was a time when this board was monitored and admin would have put this topic to bed, but those days are gone, viva la price wars![/QUOTE]Seems that "we" are not so much in a minority after all. Well said and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1147449]It's more than that really. Guys just don't get it! The only power a man has over a woman is financial and physical. The only power woman have over men is their pussy and the law. Why readily hand over more power to a woman than needed? Why do you think that all westerners are flocking to asia to get laid? Because in their home countries they have no power over women. Women got them by the balls!

Now what we see happening in places like BKK is that the women are starting to have more and more power over the customers. Why? Because they've been spoiled by the "weak" men. Spoiling a woman has a horrible effect on them. It does no good! Nothing wrong paying a fair market value, but when you go above and beyond that it only fucks things up. [/QUOTE]Some of us actally like women, and don't mind to give them power. Obviously some assholes on this forum cannot comprehend that.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1147557]Some of us actally like women, and don't mind to give them power. Obviously some assholes on this forum cannot comprehend that.[/QUOTE]Women are interested in two things; safety and security and will do whatever they have to in achieving those.

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1147547]Here is my reply to all who responded. If you agreed with me, then you understood what I meant. For others, let me elaborate. Excuse me for the xtra long post.

1. For those who complain: Do you really think that the market of buyers are composed of the few hundred here in this forum? That if we as a group enforced the prices, we would be able control the prices? There are thousands of men (and some women) who come to LOS for the pleasure of sex. They come from all kind of social backgrounds and all kind of wealth. For some 10K is chump change and for others even 100 Baht is a lot. Some consider the dark Isaan skin as a beauty while other prefer the pale skin of the Chinese. So, these men pay what they can afford and their perceived beauty level.

So, if I feel that a girl is a stunner, I might just pay a little higher price just to lay her. On the other hand, if I am running short of cash, I might a) bargain or be) walk away and look for another. Now if I bargain, I might not have a good time, because the girl may think "He is only paying so much, but I am worth more". Yes, you can always kick her out, but the time has been wasted. On the other hand, I might be able to have a good time at the bargained price. It is the luck of the draw.

2. Define stunner: When I posted what I though was good looking to me, a lot wrote back they were marginal. Not for me. I define stunner by attractiveness (it is different from beauty) and attitude. So, if you tell me I overpaid my choice, you would be incorrect. In my mind I paid for a stunner, which you define as ordinary. So where do we draw the line?

3. Go back to your country: What this means is when you go to the market and you feel the prices are high, you can either go to a different market or go back. Now, the airfares have been going up every year. Yet how many of you complain and not come. Same thing here. This is the age of internet and such. When too many punters are making a bee line for LOS, the supply and demand model starts playing. The girls know they can get better prices, if they hold their ground, because there is some other desperate punter waiting in line. The guys have a choice of picking from the pool. But they are only going for the stunners. So the price goes up.

If you are willing to pay extra, you can get the stunners early in the evening. Or wait till they have serviced 5 customers and are giving you "pity" chance at the end of the shift.

As far as I am concerned, if I have the money I pay for it. If I can get them to lower the price, great. If not I just go to the MP and get my rocks off. I am not here to marry them, am I.

So please stop whining and crying. It is an open market with all kinds of supply and demand. Find your niche and go for it. [/QUOTE]don't, it is all about what it does to the attitude of the girls. Take a poor girls and give her all this "power," (read money) , and she it a turd for life.

[QUOTE=Dreams;1147557]Some of us actally like women, and don't mind to give them power.[/QUOTE]Well, if that is a fetish thing than I can understand that.

But, if a monger is just plain weak and pathetic, it's time for him to grow some balls and act like a man! Asia is a great place to redefine oneself if need be.

[QUOTE=Spider916;1147398]This tread should be called useless discussions on prices instead of Bangkok reports[/QUOTE]Disagree with you. Local price and availablity definitely plays a part in my decision where to travel and how long to stay in one place. For someone planning a trip soon, this information is invaluable. I'm not ultra rich nor below the poverty level but I like paying a fair price for everything. I think that there's a good chance that LOS won't be an affordable option in the next ten years and if crack and other drugs along with a sinking economy continue to take hold in North America, cheaper fun will be only available here. But I have a thing for SA woman, so I hope it never becomes 10, 000BT LT and 3000BT for a single pop. Once a girl gets paid 4000 bt LT, she will never lower her price.

Some of you are wasting your time coming on here discussing prices.

This forum is such a very small part of the monger community. What are there, maybe a few dozen on here who consistenly post.

There are 10's of thousands of dudes that go to Thailand every week from all over the world for mongering. A lot are over paying or just pay what the girls asks. It is still cheaper to them than their home towns.

95%+ don't know about this site nor do they care.

If I am not mistaken, this board is about P4P (= PAY for play), so, discussions about prices are absolutely relevant.

Of course, those discussions are not going to change the behavior of most members here, but IMHO, they are still valuable and interesting, at least for the newbies who can have a better idea of what is available and for how much in Bangkok (in this thread). The more information available, the better.

If we could not talk about prices, this board would not have much value. By the way, there are many other persons who read this forum, and not only the registered members. The readers form their own opinion and can discuss about this topic and many others with their friends, etc.

I still fail to understand some people here. As foreigners, we are like an international corporation hiring local employees. So, read what I wrote in my previous post about Nike inc., and tell me where I am wrong, if you can!

It's late in the Land of Smiles and I am lazy tonight, so, I won't elaborate much, but obviously, some people have more money than sense. I wonder why do they come in Thailand in the first place, if not mainly because the P4P scene is cheaper here than in their home country, and maybe also because the girls are (still) on average more enthusiastic, less spoiled and often much more attractive. Don't they realize that, by overpaying here, they attract more girls of substandard quality on the local market, they encourage laziness and accelerate the price rise?

I'm pretty sure that they could find young, attractive and hard-working P4P girls in their home country, but most are not willing (or can't afford) to pay the high prices that those girls charge. So, why do they (apparently) want to create eventually a similar situation in Thailand?

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1147609]If I am not mistaken, this board is about P4P (= PAY for play) , so, discussions about prices are absolutely relevant.

Of course, those discussions are not going to change the behavior of most members here, but IMHO, they are still valuable and interesting, at least for the newbies who can have a better idea of what is available and for how much in Bangkok (in this thread). By the way, there are many other persons who read this forum, and not only the registered members.

If we could not talk about prices, this board would not have much value. [/QUOTE]Totally agree.

Pricing is a very important topic to discuss, if not the most important. The most worthless reports are guys posting detail by detail about how they fucked some chick and how elated they are about busting a nut. I could care less! I want to know where to find pussy free or p4p. If p4p, I want to know current market prices. The more objective this forum is the better.

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1147609]If I am not mistaken, this board is about P4P (= PAY for play) , so, discussions about prices are absolutely relevant.

I'm pretty sure that they could find young, attractive and hard-working P4P girls in their home country, but most are not willing (or can't afford) to pay the high prices that those girls charge. So, why do they (apparently) want to create eventually a similar situation in Thailand? [/QUOTE]It's unconscious on their part. Their inferior western male self esteem has been so internalized that they are unaware of it.

I had a close friend take up with a very attractive Thai nurse. But almost from the beginning of his relationship with her he acted the part of a subservient western male. I knew he was blowing it, but I could not make him see the mistake he was making. The girl became the dominant one in the relationship and dictated when he could have sex and what was allowed. But she was not happy in her dominant role and grew to disrespect my friend and take him for granted. The relationship withered in about 16 months.

My poor friend is working on another relationship with an attractive 30 something Filipina now, but he is making the same mistakes again. Women need and want their men to be strong. Women's lib and political correctness has destroyed the social fabric between western women and western men. Does it surprise anyone why white girls are trying out other girls more and more? Don't get me wrong, I love lesbians, but it is very interesting to see much higher percentages of women experimenting with it than ever before. It can't be mere coincidence that this is happening at the same time western men are acting more and more like geldings. It is another sign of the decline of the west. You don't see Asian men treating their women from an inferior position like this.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1147620]Totally agree.

Pricing is a very important topic to discuss, if not the most important. The most worthless reports are guys posting detail by detail about how they fucked some chick and how elated they are about busting a nut. I could care less! I want to know where to find pussy free or p4p. If p4p, I want to know current market prices. The more objective this forum is the better. [/QUOTE]Hmmm. Some details aren't bad either! But yeah long stories and then not a note about $$$, it's like c'mon next time tell us how you screw your girlfriend LOL