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[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1529601]When does the "money run out?" It runs out when she can trade up. That goes for 99. 9999 of all women. At bottom, anyone of any substance should be under a guardianship if he didn't insist on a pre nuptial agreement and consult with counsel that knows what he or she is talking about. I've got to admit, there is risk, but it can be minimized.[/QUOTE]Wow, no misogyny in that statement! You are a true gentleman, how could any of us ever criticize? Since you seem to be dying to know my opinion, you are pretty much a chickenhawk in a guru's robe from what I can tell.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt; 1529594]Hi, LT, to be clear, I know you are the center of the universe but apart from the bit where I agree with something you have said a number of times, this post was not directed at you in any way.

I don't know the precise terms of your scholarships or exact what your expectations are. I don't think your situation is typical so why would I extrapolate to offer general advice to other people?

I'm not making anyone a victim, we all make choices and deal with the consequences. I'm just trying to help people navigate the terrain, avoid pitfalls, have a better time and not have to learn by screwing up themselves. I think that is what we are all here to do. As far as how much money, I just threw random numbers out there. That's all relative to one's own level of affluence anyway. As far as having some brute attitude towards women, sorry, I'm not the one equating the relationship with a prepaid "novia" with "any relationship with any woman." That was you, my friend. There are all different kinds of people in this world. The kind who fall in love instantly for a buck are the kind to avoid big commitments with.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree that my situation is different than most. I guess you and I disagree on what the pitfalls to avoid are. Obviously, you hold women who provide sexual pleasures "prepaid" as less desirable as a woman one could have a relationship with. Probably true in the minds of most. The only commitment that I make is to do what I say that I will do. Anyone can help a worthwhile girl. I'm a big supporter of the "Western Union" novio. Just a few buck a month would help almost of these girls. Life in Colombia without money is not easy. It's not the same sexual experience as one would have in a casa, not saying there is anything wrong with that. I guess I don't hold sex workers in low regard. Maybe the most honest women around. I was not offended what you wrote or take it personally. We don't always agree, but my way is much more tranquil, I think.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1529608]I'm a big supporter of the "Western Union" novio. Just a few buck a month would help almost of these girls. Life in Colombia without money is not easy.[/QUOTE]LT, life ANYWHERE without money is not easy. For both men and women, LOL.

You really should watch the video link TweedleD just posted. You are "Big Papi" whereas the rest of us are quite happy being "Pocket Change". It's only 6:55 minutes.

This one is good as well (though almost 15 minutes long):

[b]Cubadave talks about the dreaded RFM (Request for money)[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzSgVJ5h1s[/url]

Cuba Dave: [i]Your gal is everybody's pal[/i]

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529609]LT, life ANYWHERE without money is not easy. For both men and women, LOL.

You really should watch the video link TweedleD just posted. You are "Big Papi" whereas the rest of us are quite happy being "Pocket Change". It's only 6:55 minutes.

This one is good as well (though almost 15 minutes long) :

[b]Cubadave talks about the dreaded RFM (Request for money) [/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzSgVJ5h1s[/url]

Cuba Dave: [i]Your gal is everybody's pal[/i][/QUOTE]I think everyone ought to watch this video. He is spot on what many of these girls will do and ask for. My situation is a little bit different in material respects. First, to my knowledge I've never given a had a financial commitment with an active sex worker. Second, I have no expectation of having a novia, with one exception. Cuba Dave's assumptions is that with financial assistance the supposed novia won't have to sell a little pussy on occasion. It reminds me of a situation in Time's Square a couple of new years eves ago. I was with a 40 year old American woman. Generally way over my age limit- but she was educated and interesting and had a smoking body. Digressing, I gave some homeless fellow $10. And she chastised me explaining that he was probably going to buy drugs or booze. My thought was and is "what he does with the money is not my problem, he said that he was hungry." Same with any request for financial assistance. All you have to do is say no. Just don't have any expectations that are ego centric. Don't do anything that you don't want to do and take complete responsibility for your choices. Cuba Dave invites you to have the choice to be a victim. Eliminate that possibility by understanding what you do is YOUR choice.

Make sense?

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1529609]LT, life ANYWHERE without money is not easy. For both men and women, LOL.

You really should watch the video link TweedleD just posted. You are "Big Papi" whereas the rest of us are quite happy being "Pocket Change". It's only 6:55 minutes.

This one is good as well (though almost 15 minutes long) :

[b]Cubadave talks about the dreaded RFM (Request for money) [/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyzSgVJ5h1s[/url]

Cuba Dave: [i]Your gal is everybody's pal[/i][/QUOTE]Anybody with Common Sense will tell you that you can buy a women's pussy but you cannot buy her heart.

The one thing you have to understand about women, is that if a women really likes you, you do not have to send her money. Most of these girls have local boyfriends and they don't give them shit, because at the end of the day they love them.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender; 1529620]I think everyone ought to watch this video. He is spot on what many of these girls will do and ask for. My situation is a little bit different in material respects. First, to my knowledge I've never given a had a financial commitment with an active sex worker. Second, I have no expectation of having a novia, with one exception. Cuba Dave's assumptions is that with financial assistance the supposed novia won't have to sell a little pussy on occasion. It reminds me of a situation in Time's Square a couple of new years eves ago. I was with a 40 year old American woman. Generally way over my age limit- but she was educated and interesting and had a smoking body. Digressing, I gave some homeless fellow $10. And she chastised me explaining that he was probably going to buy drugs or booze. My thought was and is "what he does with the money is not my problem, he said that he was hungry." Same with any request for financial assistance. All you have to do is say no. Just don't have any expectations that are ego centric. Don't do anything that you don't want to do and take complete responsibility for your choices. Cuba Dave invites you to have the choice to be a victim. Eliminate that possibility by understanding what you do is YOUR choice.

Make sense?[/QUOTE]I got to say the Cubadave guys tells a good story and he does not hemm and haww at all during his video. Makes it easier to watch. He makes good sense and is clearly a hard core monger master! If you want to be nice to a girl be nice, if you want to just to be down there and have your turn that's fine too.

Ok. Mini report from today. Went back to Loutron as my novia (Screw you Cubadave! Hahahah!) had plans with her mom. I had a session with Angie who is SUPER pretty! Her face and smile are both amazing. SUCH a beauty especially if you like lighter skinned latinas. Great natural body, big ass for her frame, and awesome boobies. The cons: all the usual Loutron bullshit. She worked there before, got fired for getting fat (hahah! They told her to not come back from her vacation / holiday break!), and she got off her ass and got right and tight again!

Def a solid "A" experience in my book but we've had a few sessions before so established chemistry.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1529608]I don't disagree that my situation is different than most. I guess you and I disagree on what the pitfalls to avoid are. Obviously, you hold women who provide sexual pleasures "prepaid" as less desirable as a woman one could have a relationship with. Probably true in the minds of most. The only commitment that I make is to do what I say that I will do. Anyone can help a worthwhile girl. I'm a big supporter of the "Western Union" novio. Just a few buck a month would help almost of these girls. Life in Colombia without money is not easy. It's not the same sexual experience as one would have in a casa, not saying there is anything wrong with that. I guess I don't hold sex workers in low regard. Maybe the most honest women around. I was not offended what you wrote or take it personally. We don't always agree, but my way is much more tranquil, I think.[/QUOTE]I guess one of the fundamental things we differ on is that whether it is "a few bucks a month" or "much more than we are talking about" or "a scholarship," the criteria seems to be first and foremost that the girl is attractive and you are getting sex out of the deal. I believe we have already had this conversation. You named one girl who is an exception (for the time being!) and a couple young African men (whom I can only assume you did not bed LOL) , but overall I find it the whole schtick a bit disingenuous. I have no doubt we have more to agree on that disagree about, but that is sort of an ongoing rift between our viewpoints. Our approach and experiences are pretty similar, but the way we view it is pretty different.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1529635]I guess one of the fundamental things we differ on is that whether it is "a few bucks a month" or "much more than we are talking about" or "a scholarship," the criteria seems to be first and foremost that the girl is attractive and you are getting sex out of the deal. I believe we have already had this conversation. You named one girl who is an exception (for the time being!) and a couple young African men (whom I can only assume you did not bed LOL) , but overall I find it the whole schtick a bit disingenuous. I have no doubt we have more to agree on that disagree about, but that is sort of an ongoing rift between our viewpoints. Our approach and experiences are pretty similar, but the way we view it is pretty different.[/QUOTE]We don't see things like they are, we see things like we are.

Incidentally I find Cuba Dave, though generally accurate, to be a little heavy handed. I have definitely met girls that only ask for help when they REALLY need it and are modest about their requests. I feel like Paisas in particular can go either way, either they are all out money hungry succubi or they have this ingrained humility that keeps them very simple and straightforward, as long as you don't get way tooooooooo close. Same thing with taking them to dinner or somewhere, I take zero issue with that as long as there is some spark there. I guess what I am trying to say is that I have a few pros and "semi pros" as real friends and the same way I'd treat a friend with less money than me that I wasn't schtupping, I will treat them with perhaps just a little bonus for that post-coital afterglow.

Anyway LT, I don't want some funk between us to grow for no reason and clog up the forum. I can respect your hustle and I get the benefits you get from it. It's a little tangled for my liking, but that's a personal / situational thing. I definitely understand it though and I know you have a fucking ball doing it.

I think some of us are over-analyzing these providers, some are investing too many emotions in our providers, and some of us are investing too much emotion in the discussion.

Put things in perspective. Imagine you are a 20-something in the states. You can't find a job, you can't get money to go to school, you live with your parents. Maybe you got a kid to support. (Actually, thanks to Obamanomics, many Generation Y or millennial generation-types are in this situation.) A friend tells you that if you hang out at this certain bed and breakfast or a certain bar, you can make more than a week's or even a month's salary spending a couple of hours with some foreign woman. Sure, they might be twice your age, some might be drunk / overweight / boorish / hygiene challenged, while some might be completely incompetent in the amorous arts, and others are from countries that are much more prosperous than yours and don't speak your language, but they are not ALL like that. You have to make some mental adjustments, because this really isn't what you thought you were doing with your life just a few years ago when you were in high school and dreamed about growing up to be an astronaut, NASCAR driver, rock star, FBI agent, or internet start up millionaire. How sane do you think you would be after a few months if you don't make those mental adjustments.

Now, if someone is not grounded, this could warp your thought processes, but let's toss in another variable. This is what the Japanese would call "a floating world." You are sitting on the banks of a river, and the river is constantly changing as it flows past you every minute. It is never the same river, minute by minute. Much is constant in your world, but the stream of foreigners keeps changing, like the items on a grocery store cash register conveyor belt. Some clients are nice, but they will be gone in a week, a few days, even the end of the weekend. Some come back, but they want to pick up with you were they "left off", but you never left.

Now toss in another variable. Some of these clients are crazier than you are. Some are emotionally less mature than you are. Some of them are using the trips down in lieu of therapy to get over their last divorce. Some of them "don't get" the basic facts of the "relationship" and think they are in "puppy love" with you like you were high school sweethearts and you went to the prom together, and now they are reuniting with you after their first semester at state college.

Friends, let's put things in perspective. Let's dial back the drama a little. Yes, the "provider with a heart of gold" is something to be treasured, but very rare. Let's stop obsessing over the unicorn. In the end, it doesn't matter whether it has a horn or not, a regular horse will get us where we want to go.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1529571]Hmmf. Unless someone has better pictures, she seems incredibly ordinary. Geraldine is much prettier.[/QUOTE]After reading this board for a while, I have come to the conclusion that everybody's subjective experiences are soooo different with these women that it is best to just post pics whenever possible. Jajaja

[QUOTE=Legal Tender;1529636]We don't see things like they are, we see things like we are.[/QUOTE]"I tell so many lies I have to write them down and keep them in the lie box so I can keep them straight."

Sometimes, when you find yourself staring into the darkness of the abyss, it just means that you need to pay your cable bill.

It started with me almost not making it because of 2 snowstorms in the NYC area. Actually I had to buy a separate ticket for 1st segment of flight to MDE going from NYC to Ft Lauderdale since the original flight was cancelled for snow, unfortunately I had to pay for it. The good that came out of it is. I had an extra day in Florida so I made time to start my move down south early-met new lanlord, signed apt lease and paid deposit-this is the last winter I'm ever going to see-it was not my idea to move to NYC from Hawaii, I was conned into it by some asshole!

With everything done in Florida, got on flight to MDE, that was on time but got a little delay leaving Florida due to a thunderstorm-20 min, not a problem. Arrived MDE, got picked up by driver from the Mansion as arranged. Checked in the Mansion, got cleaned up and went downstairs to bar-La Cuerva. No sooner than I stepped in before I was met by 3 chicas. I chose Stefany, had an awesome time with her but short because I was tired due to being up days before worrying about whether planes can leave NY, had 4 hrs sleep in previous 4 days, a good thing because I bought the last seat on that earlier flght to Florida. I got Stefany's number to see her next day.

Day 2 and final day of this short trip, was offered breakfast at the mansion so I took it. Afterwards I spent most of the day shopping down the street at Oviedo mall a nice mall to lady watch, would have been better if my language skills are better I think, got more than a few smiles back from chicas instead of the look of disgust if I stare at 20 something chicks in NY just because of my age. I'll work on learning Spanish before next trip! Feeling a lot better of myself that I spent money on myself instead of letting chicks in NY just use me and get nothing in return. After this trip and previous to SJO, I'm sticking to mongering instead of trying to get for free. After shopping I went to dinner at food court in mall.

I got back to the Mansion in late afternoon, got some rest and went back downstairs to La Cuerva. Once again was met back 3 more Chicas soon as I walked in! This time I chose Kelly hung out with her at the bar awhile enough for Stefany to show up since I called her earlier! She said not a problem and do I want them both and I said great! I had a much better time this time around since I'm not tired. We even communicated fine using Google translate from my laptop! I had great time with both Stefany and Kelly and I'll say it's even more true than when I finished my SJO trip when someone from this board said I, ll be forever turned off by gringas in NYC. Now for sure I'm just going to save up from the now short hops to MDE, SJO from Florida. I don't know if 20 something non pros in Florida have same attitude towards us older guys bit it's not worth waste of time? When I, m guaranteed what I want south of the border! Also lastly what I had concern of being hassled by Customs coming back for a 2 day stay did not happen just as a few of you here said it won, t. Neither did long waits- I cleared customs in FLL in half hour from time I stepped off plane till I hit the next bit of business to do in Ft Lauderdale!

[QUOTE=Jonesie; 1529568]Are you guys seriously turning into a bunch of prepago groupies? It truly must be cold and boring where you are.

I've been with Wendy, yeah, she's great. So was the girl I did at Latina's a couple days ago, and the girl I did at Juliana's for 35k cop yesterday.

Instead of pondering where Wendy is this week, what her favorite color was last week, or which Back Street Boy you most resemble, call your travel agent and get on the tour bus.[/QUOTE]Right on Jonesie!

After breezing through a few pages of philosophy, I was happy to find yours as well as the photos posted by socker.

There's always another great girl just around the corner, and the hunt is fun too.