Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.

Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.

Happy holidays,

Ira[/QUOTE]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.

Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.

On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510622]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.

Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.

On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.[/QUOTE]Subject to correct. The BBC reports that the Thaksin Govt has raised the minimum wage to 300 baht and hour! I suspect the accurate figure is 300 baht / day!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1510622]BF of 1000 baht is indeed rather steep, but perhaps you can negotiate some discount if you take her out several days. 2000 baht for LT, which is a whole night only, is considered acceptable so a whole day of 24 hours for 3000 baht should be OK.

Of course, you then pay in total 4000 baht for one day in a country where the minimum wage for unskilled labor is only 400 baht per day.

On the other hand, you do not want to make her unhappy with the financial arrangements since she will be with you for several days on a small island.[/QUOTE]In October, I had one dancer from a beer bar on WS for 10 days travelling to Phuket etc. Not to be compared to a stunner from a GoGo, but one of the better lookig girls from the beer bar, because dancing.

Cost was 1300BHT / day for her, plus 600Bht / day barfine.

[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.

Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.

Happy holidays,

Ira[/QUOTE]Never take any girl on vacation till you stay with her couple of days before. No need to mention that you are planning a trip with her. Chemistry is everything to have good fun. If you think the girl is good, then negotiate.

Of course no vacation sticks to budget. You will buy her some clothes, gift items etc.

If the girl is good in and out of bed it is all worth it.

I have taken many girls are vacation in Thailand, Philippines, China, Caribbean, Europe etc. Of course these are not P4P girls.

I have given them gifts but never discussed money before. Of course I did put some money in their purse for Asian girls.

On vacation you do not want to make it as a business deal. Both of you should enjoy the time together like holding hands walking on the beach, having drinks watching sunset etc.

[QUOTE=Ira Johnson; 1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.

Y'all help me and G&T out with your what's up info please.

Happy holidays,

Ira[/QUOTE]The ladies there are clearly a cut above. Sometimes in cases like this, that can provide life long memories, you have to do the conversion and say the $130 a day is well worth it.

[QUOTE=Ira Johnson;1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.[/QUOTE]What is 'DIA'? Be aware, as others have said, that it is hazardous to commit to any bookings without ascertaining chemistry. I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1510793]What is 'DIA'? Be aware, as others have said, that it is hazardous to commit to any bookings without ascertaining chemistry. I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.[/QUOTE]DIA = dating in asia, another of the various online forums, another TLL etc. Slightly more sinister than this site. 5555

[QUOTE=Ira Johnson;1510516]I'm curious what others think too. I've met a remarkably-endowed and funny girl on DIA who works there, and in our online negotiations she states the barfine is 1000 and her daily rate (as in the whole day, I am discussing taking her to Samet) is 3000. Seems a bit steep on both, I was expecting Gogo Dancer barfines of 600-800 and a daily rate of 2000-2500. But she clearly has two large 'negotiation points' working in her favor.[/QUOTE]What I think is why would you be negotiating with a woman who you met on a dating site? Not only that, but if you met her on the dating site and you were negotiating with her, what the fuck would that have to do with a bar fine? I'm against barfines anyway, but if I was to pay one for a woman then it definitely would not be for a woman that I already knew. I tell you what, instead of giving the bar 1000, just tell me her contact info and give me 500 and I will bring her right to your hotel.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1510793]I would add that the higher the price the worse the attitude and service, generally, in this business.[/QUOTE]I'd have to agree!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1510918]What I think is why would you be negotiating with a woman who you met on a dating site? Not only that, but if you met her on the dating site and you were negotiating with her, what the fuck would that have to do with a bar fine? I'm against barfines anyway, but if I was to pay one for a woman then it definitely would not be for a woman that I already knew. I tell you what, instead of giving the bar 1000, just tell me her contact info and give me 500 and I will bring her right to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Barfines do not totally bother me, as they are connected with the girl's employment (I know there are other opinions on this) , but in fact Mr E, your blunt opinion is what I needed. Yeah, if I met her in the bar, negotiation is going to be expected. But from a dating site. Eessh. Thanks for the cold water in the face, guy. Seriously.

In fact I stopped by Patts on my way here to Koh Samet, and met a gogo dancer (about 400AM just off Walking street). Super hot, great kisser, nice but fake boobs. After a drink and a shot I asked price for short time (wanted to ascertain chemistry as another suggested). And get this: She claimed the barfine is 1500 and her ST rate is 3000.

I think she may have been offended when I busted up laughing. Outlandish.

I'm not thrilled with DIA, and am having better luck with WeChat and ThaiFriendly. Although have not landed anything yet. I think I am just going to bop back up to Patts tomorrow and do some shopping.

Keep it coming Mr E. Tough Love!

[QUOTE=BJ Blitz;1510387]700 baht bar fine. 2000 st. 3000 lt. Always negotiable.[/QUOTE]In the ballpark. My price, circa 2012, was a 1000 baht BF with 2000 LT / overnight. Don't know how negotiable, but try. At the time, I was astounded that the patrons / payers were rather youngish. Had sights on one of the performers in the light lesbian show (could see that one of her colleagues was lightly licking her pussy lips) , but she was already "spoken for" by a studly Westerner in his 20s, who was paying for it. Did barfine (two nights) an energetic dancer from the place, a lass with a good attitude. Even then, punters on this board were asking "Whats Up" with the fucking overpriced barfine structure.

day 1 – soi 6. as is the case anywhere a mix of girls in terms of personality, the first one i bought a drink for was cute and sweet but rather shy. i like my girls to show a bit of enthusiasm. went to another bar and started chatting to a very busty one, she very quickly got to the point (lit a cigarette and pointed to my unit and said she'll smoke that next) , so upstairs we went. she was ok an gave me a reasonable amount of time but was a seasoned professional and did what was expected without any gfe, gave her a pass mark but nothing spectacular. 300 baht to the bar and couldn't remember at the time what i was supposed to give the girl so gave her 1k. should i have given a bit less, e.g. 1k including bar fine?

couldn't tell much difference between the bars in soi 6 and i presume it depends whether you get lucky with the individual girl.

day 2 – le carre blanc. a bit disappointed with this place considering all i had read about it. not hard to find (soi 33 just off 3rd street just north of pattaya south road) , ring the doorbell when you get there but they'll have seen you coming via cctv cameras anyway. they will try to get you behind the curtained areas as soon as they can. i sat at the bar first anyway and they will stroke your cock there but very quickly followed by a 'let's go to the curtain area' again. got a very nice blow job in the curtain area, and she was insistent on making me cum. good service but would put this place in the same category as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and bliss. gave her 1k, but made sure she knew that i knew 700 baht was typical blow job rate, but that i was tipping her extra for good service and attitude. i don't want to spoil the market.

the girl at le carre blanc hadn't made me cum so i came across a massage place on soi 11, 2nd road. if you see girls sitting outside and oil massage is on the menu for 300 baht then you can be sure extras are on the menu (or perhaps they are on menu everywhere in patts). i was a bit tired by this point and in a moment of madness offered her an additional 500 baht for a hand job, when 500-600 total for a hj should suffice. the problem with paying too much for the limited option is that the girl is already happy with it and therefore won't be motivated to upsell any further, when i really would have preferred to shag her, as usually for massage shop girls she was young, pretty, slim and breasty. i offered her 800 tip for a shag but since that was only 300 more than i'd stupidly offered for a hj she wouldn't have it. doh!

day 3 – thought i'd go for a soapy, although more expensive than some other options you should get what you pay for. i have grand visions of gorgeous girls based on experience in shanghai a few years ago. i was looking for sabailand but saw the signs for honey 2 so went in there instead. i was disappointed with the lineup. there was lots of choice, but the 1800 baht girls were all fat and the 2200 girls had better bodies but not all that good looking. i was sitting 20 metres or so from where the girls were and with my poor eyesight picked one that looked nice, but when she came over i found that although she had nice legs and a cute face, there wasn't a lot of cleavage. bummer!

if you have not been to a soapy before don't stress over it, it is very easy. as soon as you walk in a captain will greet you and lead you to a chair, where you can look at the girls as long as you want until you pick one. some of the girls will smile and wink at you, but take your time.

once you have chosen you pay upfront (don't worry, you will still get good service in these places, it is a big deal for the girls if a customer complains). you will be asked if you want to buy a drink, this is optional but i bought a lemon soda for her and one for myself, a small investment in making the girl happy. the girl will then lead you upstairs to the room.

it should be 30 minutes each on the water mattress, in the tub and one the bed, but i think my girl made it more like 20 minutes. her service was good though, and she aimed to please. i could easily have stretched the time out, perhaps by playing with her in the tub, but considering the lack of contour on the top half i wasn't really into her.

overall i feel that i got what i paid for but would have liked a hotter girl (with bigger breasts).

day 4 – left my hotel with an open mind. ended up at walking street (as you do) , can't say i like the increase in tourist numbers even compared with five years ago. some hot russian chicks around but shame that they are all with their boyfriends. can't remember what go-go i ended up in, it did have some nice girls and the girl i bought a drink for was cute and energetic. the kind that a sucker could fall for if spending too long in thailand. didn't want to bf her though so gave her an additional 50 baht tip instead of a second drink and left. poked my nose into some other go-gos and felt that the overall standard has declined over the last couple of years.

ended up wrapping my arms around a beer bar girl on soi 8 who had smiled as i went past, she was a bit older (early 30's) and slim so surprised to find that she had a daughter. kissing and cuddling in the bar is always a good sign and sure enough she was gfe back in my room. i usually prefer st and to shag them on site if possible but ended up being a lt. no talk of money until she left, gave her 1500 at 9am after a second shag.

overall – pattaya is still an all you can eat buffet, with lots of different courses (go-gos, beer bars, massage shops, soapys, street walkers) , but the overall standard is declining. fortunately the huge supply means prices are not going up that much, but i do wonder if that will change if the number of wealthy russian and chinese tourists continues to increase and the thai economy keeps growing. the huge supply also doesn't really matter, i only do 1 or 2 girls a day, so all i ever need is 1 or 2 hotties wherever i am, and it is just as easy if not easier to locate hot girls and value for money in cebu, shenzhen or wherever. patts is still a good time but i won't be hurrying back here specifically any time soon. i guess i am neutral towards the place.

A buddy was in there a few weeks ago and witnessed a couple of English 120kg hooligans jump a small guy who had just gone in for a drink. Seems the 2 well over served goofs were upset the bar girls were paying attention to the young guy after they had been buying lady drinks all night. Apparently these guys are regulars and were back at it the next time my friend went in to eat there. If the owners of these places won't protect patrons from this kind of thing they should be run out of business.

As Tanqueray and tonic is my cocktail of choice (though I like a good scotch) and I love to drink, my spirit immediately lifts slightly when I see a post with your name beside it.

That being said, it seems there should be a bit more to this story than you've told. What exactly happened between the time she sat down next to the little guy and the beating that ensued?

With 1 exception many years ago, I've never seen a guy just stand up and clock someone without trying to either get things his way, scare the other off or at least vocalize his displeasure.

So, was the little guy just cold cocked or did he in some way think that the ordinary circumstances of the situation would protect him?

[QUOTE=Gin And Tonic;1512817]A buddy was in there a few weeks ago and witnessed a couple of English 120kg hooligans jump a small guy who had just gone in for a drink. Seems the 2 well over served goofs were upset the bar girls were paying attention to the young guy after they had been buying lady drinks all night. Apparently these guys are regulars and were back at it the next time my friend went in to eat there. If the owners of these places won't protect patrons from this kind of thing they should be run out of business.[/QUOTE]

Hi Mianbao,

Thanks for you cool report, I just wonder why Honey 2 got expensive like this, I remember last year I have pay 1400 with a greate girl. I go in 2 weeks so I will find out my self then if the pices went up.

But what you wrote about Le Carre Blanc, I'm now not sure to go there or not.

FTG.

[QUOTE=Mianbao;1512711]Day 3 – Thought I'd go for a soapy, although more expensive than some other options you should get what you pay for. I have grand visions of gorgeous girls based on experience in Shanghai a few years ago. I was looking for Sabailand but saw the signs for Honey 2 so went in there instead. I was disappointed with the lineup. There was lots of choice, but the 1800 baht girls were all fat and the 2200 girls had better bodies but not all that good looking. I was sitting 20 metres or so from where the girls were and with my poor eyesight picked one that looked nice, but when she came over I found that although she had nice legs and a cute face, there wasn't a lot of cleavage. Bummer![/QUOTE]