Manila

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1737587]Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts? If men wear jeans or long pants and closed shoes when they go mongering at night, it would certainly make an difference in the treatment they got from WGs, taxi drivers and other service people. Wearing shorts at night shows lack of respect. Keep the shorts and flip flops for daytime cruising.

I have seen fat, white mongerers wearing colored wife beaters, shorts and flip flops when they go bar hopping. It is not a good look and despite the size of your wallet, the girls are all laughing at you behind your back.[/QUOTE]LOL, I wear shorts all the time and pair it with a t-shirt and quazi-baseball hat.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1737685]I don't normally take taxis, as when I'm in Manila I prefer to use Uber for the daily treks between Makati and Ortigas and back. However, I do take the, Moccasionally for shorter trips around Makati and I can't remember the last time a taxi driver tried to cheat me. It still amazes me that guys who spend thousands of dollars to get here and play get frantic over the possibility of losing a dollar or two.

GE.[/QUOTE]I'm only 1 person's opinion, but right or wrong. I don't like paying more than I should with anything. Just a fair and hopefully advertised price.

(Ex. I just looked at my mobile phone detail for the first time in a while. I'm still paying taxes and fees based off my prior home state. It's probably on $2-3 / month, but it's still annoying. I don't want to pay that either.).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1736073] Subic might only be 80 km away from AC, but you will waste half-a-day getting there and the pussy is not any better than at AC.[/QUOTE]Disagree! Not that the pussy is better. That's the same everywhere in the Phils, wet and sweet.

But its the attitude what differs. In AC you bet hardly to find a LT. Most of the promises:"Ohh yes honey, I stay longtime with you". Will be broken once fucked. Be it the friend got no keys, be it she needs to go to the hygene, be it the baby cries at home. AC is cheaper then Burgos, but still 2500 minimum down the drain for a star-fish ST.

Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore and a growing agressive bakla community for the one-week millionaires who don't know better.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;1737765]But its the attitude what differs. Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore [/QUOTE]Amadeuss, Subic is not for everybody and some punters just prefer AC. That's the way it should be because everybody has different tastes. I for one either prefer big city Manila or the relaxed laid back beach scene in Subic over AC, for all the reasons you gave above and then some. Most importantly, I like the Subic girls. I have never had a bad one. My hardest problem in dealing with Subic girls is turning them down and not going back to the same deserving girl I had the night before ie being a butterfly. LOL. It is hard to say no to such friendly sweet girls.

I like to stay at the Wilid Orchid with a room on the beach. I like to invite my favorite girl of the week to come by and relax by the pool in the afternoons. She usually asks if it is ok if she bring a friend. We cap off the afternoon with a drink at the Blue Rock floating bar and a late afternoon shag before she goes off to get ready for her night shift.

It is good to be by the ocean and feel those sea breezes even if I chose not to go swimming in the polluted waters. That is something in common with Pattaya although Subic is much less developed than Pattaya obviously. And although I have a few favorite bars in AC that I really like, I actually prefer the much smaller, less touristy bar scene on National Hwy in Barrio Barreto. (BTW it only takes an hour to drive from AC to Subic. Take the S3 Subic Super Shuttle [URL]http://www.drydensubic.com/[/URL] and go in comfort.).

But as I wrote above, Subic is not for everybody. My advice is check it out for a few days and see for yourself. On the other hand, don't come here. Subic is a dirty shithole and I do not want this place to ever change. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1737685] It still amazes me that guys who spend thousands of dollars to get here and play get frantic over the possibility of losing a dollar or two.

GE.[/QUOTE]Good point!

[QUOTE=Random99;1737697]LOL, I wear shorts all the time and pair it with a t-shirt and quazi-baseball hat.[/QUOTE]Who or what is a quazi-baseball cap?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1737777] Subic is not for everybody and some punters just prefer AC. That's the way it should be because everybody has different tastes. I for one either prefer big city Manila or the relaxed laid back beach scene in Subic over AC, for all the reasons you gave above and then some. But as I wrote above, Subic is not for everybody. My advice is check it out for a few days and see for yourself. On the other hand, don't come here. Subic is a dirty shithole and I do not want this place to ever change. Ha Ha.[/QUOTE]Agree. If a newbie asks if he shall go here or there, don't put your foot on and say this is crap or that is shit.

Take your sweet time, explore and then make up your mind what fits your taste.

(actually. It would not like the typical AC crowd to invade little Baloy.).

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1737587]Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1737624]I see many pinoys similarly dressed at night (you clearly don't hang out where I do). And pinoys love to walk around with their t shirts / vests / singlets pulled up to expose their stomachs (as keeps them cool I was told).[/QUOTE]I concur with Wicked Roger here, definitely in the provinces. Now if they were going out to a decent bar / restaurant in the evening then yes, perhaps they do dress up.

[QUOTE=WickedRoger;1737624]ED,

They do as they can and on vacation. I see many pinoys similarly dressed at night (you clearly don't hang out where I do). And pinoys love to walk around with their t shirts / vests / singlets pulled up to expose their stomachs (as keeps them cool I was told).

If the girls laugh no worries as lots fish in the sea and those that wear don't care as they know they will hook one.

Many white fat mongers come here plus a few very fat white women in tow. Now that is a horrible sight in their shorts at any time of the day LOL.

Size of wallet is all that matters to some girls trust me on this. Some don't care as long as you have the cash and pay but are respectful. If you are a fat whitely etc who is a cheap charlie then I even I would say don't see the guy (discussed many times on the board).[/QUOTE]WR,

I'm not suggesting that for one moment you should wear a three piece suit and top hat when you are lounging by the pool, munching on your club sandwich. It doesn't take much effort to put on a pair of jeans, a collared shirt and shoes when heading out at night. It's really just a case of attitude and respect.

Picture a slightly different situation. Would foreigners ever visit OT in Singapore or Malioboro in Jakarta wearing shorts? Probably not. It seems different standards apply in the Phils and LOS.

I'm sure we do mix in different social circles in Manila. The only Pinoys I have seen wearing shorts at night are Jeepney drivers, viagra / cialis bandits and beggars. LOL.

[QUOTE=Amadeuss;1737765]Disagree! Not that the pussy is better. That's the same everywhere in the Phils, wet and sweet.

But its the attitude what differs. In AC you bet hardly to find a LT. Most of the promises:"Ohh yes honey, I stay longtime with you". Will be broken once fucked. Be it the friend got no keys, be it she needs to go to the hygene, be it the baby cries at home. AC is cheaper then Burgos, but still 2500 minimum down the drain for a star-fish ST.

Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore and a growing agressive bakla community for the one-week millionaires who don't know better.[/QUOTE]Everyone's experience will vary on this. It's harder to find LT in Subic as many of the girls like to be tucked in bed at their own homes by 11.00 pm. Many won't go with a customer and are happy to just collect their 250 PHP / day salary and any commissions from LDs. Another forum member commented he was stuck with blue balls and blue notes in Subic once. There are a lot fewer girls and most are in the 4-5 range. Some will come LT though, and I agree their attitudes are different. More relaxed and friendly. You still need to buy a LD in Subic while you conduct the interview with the girl. BTW, the floating bar at Arizona has been shut down and Arizona is really going down hill with the new owner. You can't really call Subic a resort town, not unless your idea of a resort is looking at straddle cranes and an endless number of container ships on the horizon, and of course swimming in the polluted bay.

LT in AC has never been a problem, unless you are hunting in the perimeter bars as many of those girls need to go home to their families by 11.00 pm. For fucks sake, there are 2,000 girls available each night in AC and the majority are happy to go LT. I can't see what the problem is. I was there last month and only had one runner and one non-performer in a week, but that was completely my fault on both occasions for not reading the warning signs. I was completely besotted with the non-performer and she unfortunately read me like a book. The runner was a failed suicide attempt girl. I chose to ignore the scars on her wrist and should have never BF'd her. If you stay away from the larger bars like Doll House, Atlantis, Asia House (and don't BF the spotlight girls) and go for the second tier bars like Lollipop, Pony Tails, Insomnia, Icarus etc, your experience might be better.

When it is 30+ outside, I am wearing shorts everywhere except work, weddings or government offices.

[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1737826]
Who or what is a quazi-baseball cap?[/QUOTE]I was halfway afraid to response in the forum as it's a waste of bandwidth. I feel like a baseball cap could be construed as the hats they wear in MLB w / a team insignia. I wear similar type hats or ones that could be called trucker hats, but with no sports insignia. (note: I spelled quazi wrong as it should have been quasi.).

P.S. Nice reports about the Rockwell area in the Makati section.

[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1738092]When it is 30+ outside, I am wearing shorts everywhere except work, weddings or government offices.[/QUOTE]In the end, it all comes down to personal taste. I don't own a pair of shorts and probably haven't since I was twenty-something: I just don't like them under any circumstances. Other guys feel quite comfortable wearing shorts almost anywhere. No harm, no foul in either case.

GE.

[QUOTE=Simmer;1737909]I concur with Wicked Roger here, definitely in the provinces. Now if they were going out to a decent bar / restaurant in the evening then yes, perhaps they do dress up.[/QUOTE]Just to clear up any confusion. I wear what is deemed appropriate for where I am going. If with mates to a resto that is super casual it is shorts etc. To a resto in a nice place or with people I don't know well for sure long pants / jeans etc.

In the provinces many wear the basic and no one dresses up unless a wedding etc.

Even in Australia I wear shorts to restos as no one truly cares much of the time, it is the enjoyment of the food and the company that is more important.

As GE said it is personal taste and comfort plus where you are going.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;1738083]WR,


Picture a slightly different situation. Would foreigners ever visit OT in Singapore or Malioboro in Jakarta wearing shorts? Probably not. It seems different standards apply in the Phils and LOS.

[/QUOTE]ED, I have a slightly different experience pertaining to Singapore. I have always gone to OT (all pubs, any floor including Ipanema) or Clarke Quay or Golden Mile even Geylang in shorts. I have worn trousers or jeans only when I have been to Brix as they follow a strict dress code or to any upscale restaurant for dinner. I have never worn shorts as much even in LOS during night as I have in Singapore and felt comfortable.

On the contrary this is the only city where I see so many men (locals) wearing shorts in the daytime all around in public transport, malls, etc. Initially it felt as if the national dress here was T and shorts.

I even went to Alexis in shorts in Jakarta and dont see why any other spas would object to it. Regarding Nightclubs, i followed the trouser / Jeans and collared shirt rule through, didnt wanna take chances.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1738253]ED, I have a slightly different experience pertaining to Singapore. I have always gone to OT (all pubs, any floor including Ipanema) or Clarke Quay or Golden Mile even Geylang in shorts. I have worn trousers or jeans only when I have been to Brix as they follow a strict dress code or to any upscale restaurant for dinner. I have never worn shorts as much even in LOS during night as I have in Singapore and felt comfortable.

On the contrary this is the only city where I see so many men (locals) wearing shorts in the daytime all around in public transport, malls, etc. Initially it felt as if the national dress here was T and shorts.

I even went to Alexis in shorts in Jakarta and don't see why any other spas would object to it. Regarding Nightclubs, i followed the trouser / Jeans and collared shirt rule through, didn't wanna take chances.[/QUOTE]I have to weigh in here. Having spent lots of time in Singapore and Vietnam. The girls in these places don't care if you wear shorts, pants, etc. When they see a foreign guy. They think $$ not "oh, he's wearing shorts". I have gone to OT and other places (but not Brix, I think that place is bogus expensive and not worth it) in shorts, jeans, pants, etc. No difference and believe me. I'm an older, balding white guy with a fat wallet.

Like the ZZ top song goes, while "every girl is crazy about a sharped dressed man. I don't care cause my wallet's fat!

GG.