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[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]He had read about both CJ and BATS and wanted to check out the ladies there. He found most of them too mature for his taste,[/QUOTE]I agree that the young 20 year olds at CJs are more mature than they are at places like Hotel Classic. They have to be in order to survive. However, there are some very immature girls at CJs that are over 30 years old.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]
After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]Hey Ggekko, I am not sure what the girl told you is 100% reliable, but you did what you thought was the right thing to do, so I can't fault you there, just I would not make a habit of saving young working girls if I were you. 555. BTW if you don't mind my asking, how much did you give her?

Point #2: I fully understand that whatever you gave, you gave with no strings atttached, BUT, IMHO, you would be loco not to see her again, away from Classic, if & when she texts you. She is a big girl now. If she wants to show you her gratitude why not let her? I would if I liked her and thought she was sexy.

Point #3: I also do not understand why you say your act of kindness did not make you feel good. I would think that your act of charity in helping a poor waif out of her misfortune would make you feel real good unless of course you think she might have duped you or that the money will not do any lasting good ie she will continue on in her profession and since her story worked once with you, she will try the con again and again on future customers. That's why I only tip for good service or when I like a girl. I never buy into a story especially from a girl I just met and send her money. My best girls never ask for money. They are the ones I have known for the longest time and the ones I am the most generous with.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301584]Does anyone know if any of the Classic type places let you book to take a girl out to your hotel and how much it be?

I rather take girl couple hours my hotel than use their rooms, more comfortable as I stay in nice hotels and a waste not having a girl to take their.[/QUOTE]I have done this for roughly 1 mil IDR. The girl was pretty.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]Hey Ggekko, I am not sure what the girl told you is 100% reliable, but you did what you thought was the right thing to do, so I can't fault you there, just I would not make a habit of saving young working girls if I were you. 555. BTW if you don't mind my asking, how much did you give her?
[/QUOTE]The amount was ridiculously small to me at least, though not an insignificant amount, but still small in light of things. Her debt at this stage was 3 million, and it is a sorry state to see her being forced into this situation for such an amount. I used the leftover cash that I had from the previous night that I had set aside for a threesome that did not actually materialize.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]
Point #2: I fully understand that whatever you gave, you gave with no strings atttached, BUT, IMHO, you would be loco not to see her again, away from Classic, if & when she texts you. She is a big girl now. If she wants to show you her gratitude why not let her? I would if I liked her and thought she was sexy.
[/QUOTE]I believe she is grateful for what I did. If she wants to see me again on her own free will, I would definitely take it. I have her contact and I would definitely look her up again should I stop over in Jakarta in the future.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2301765]
Point #3: I also do not understand why you say your act of kindness did not make you feel good. I would think that your act of charity in helping a poor waif out of her misfortune would make you feel real good unless of course you think she might have duped you or that the money will not do any lasting good ie she will continue on in her profession and since her story worked once with you, she will try the con again and again on future customers. That's why I only tip for good service or when I like a girl. I never buy into a story especially from a girl I just met and send her money. My best girls never ask for money. They are the ones I have known for the longest time and the ones I am the most generous with.[/QUOTE]This to me is more philosophical. I always feel and have argued that prostitution should be legal and the government should stay away from our lives since these are transactions done between two consenting adults, maybe at times more than two for me, LOL. That is why I appreciate the wisdom of countries where such practices are legal, countries like Germany, Colombia and heck even Singapore. However, the keyword is consenting. Such practices in places like Classic to me feel like coercion, and it gives hobbyist like me a bad name. By the way, she never asked from me any money at any point in time at all. We were just chatting and I get to learn about her story.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301859]The amount was ridiculously small to me at least, though not an insignificant amount, but still small in light of things. Her debt at this stage was 3 million, and it is a sorry state to see her being forced into this situation for such an amount. I used the leftover cash that I had from the previous night that I had set aside for a threesome that did not actually materialize.

I believe she is grateful for what I did. If she wants to see me again on her own free will, I would definitely take it. I have her contact and I would definitely look her up again should I stop over in Jakarta in the future.

This to me is more philosophical. I always feel and have argued that prostitution should be legal and the government should stay away from our lives since these are transactions done between two consenting adults, maybe at times more than two for me, LOL. That is why I appreciate the wisdom of countries where such practices are legal, countries like Germany, Colombia and heck even Singapore. However, the keyword is consenting. Such practices in places like Classic to me feel like coercion, and it gives hobbyist like me a bad name. By the way, she never asked from me any money at any point in time at all. We were just chatting and I get to learn about her story.[/QUOTE]Mate,

I don't think the comments were a criticism, nor are mine as on the odd occasion I have been known to offer some help beyond what is expected as well.

When I read it my initial thought was as I hear this sort of story repeatedly and that you were almost certainly sucked in, I know if I listened to every sob story I heard and dipped in to my pocket to assist I would have no funds left to play the game.

We all learn and again if you felt satisfied assisting her, all's good, but my best guess is she will still be there in a few months time telling the same story to the next punter.

Pedro.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]

After my session with the Classic girl, it is what came next or more on what I learned that really disturbed me. She was tricked into working at Classic by her friend who advertised the work as Lady Companion for KTV. When coming here then she learned otherwise. By then, it is too late and she is already in debt. This mafia gang has a system that makes them go continously into debt and is forced to stay confined in their residence hall pretty much like prisoners. Essentially they are sex slaves. She can't leave and she is forced to continue working until all her debts are paid off.

After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]Nice work Mr Gekko.

Your girl's story has quite a good chance of being correct. OS often asks the girls as to the circumstances of why they are there and the story your girl told you is very common. They are given loans for family emergencies, medical care, to build a house for parents, brothers schooling etc etc and then they are brought to Jakarta and offered around Classic, the Kota Indah bars, Medika and the bars where the locals go by brokers. They go under the care of minders who get them to and from work which are the guys you see on motorbikes taking the girls away at closing time back to the mess. The minders are generally OK and treat the girls well. They are not permitted to have relationships with the girls but they are also representing the debt holders interests so collect salaries etc. Your tip money is what she will use for day to day food and living.

OS has also given a girl he took out for the night from Kota Indah the cash to settle out her debt. 3 million is quite a small debt, some of them will have 6,8 even up to 15 M debt. OS handed over 10 M in pounds and euros with specific instructions of how to change at the money changer and what rates to expect. She cried!.

It took her another 4 weeks to get out and last time OS heard from her she was staying with her sister in Tangerang. She really wanted to catch up again but OS was cautious about her getting too attached so never got to Tangerang. She was just a really sweet girl straight from the kampung who was a little bit in shock as to how she came to be where she was and it was only after a while lying there post coitus in bed playing with her very generous boobies that OS managed to tease the story out of her. But no regrets. Morally though, like you say, each to their own as to how comfortable they are with that knowledge.

So full points to you Mr Gekko for caring. Jakarta is awash with scams, OS has had taxi drivers crying in the taxi while relaying the story of sick baby / dead wife / motorbike accident and his steely heart does not flinch but sometimes these stories from these girls are true and from what OS knows from his illustrious career socialising with them Is that the story you were told is not uncommon. Sometimes you need to trust your heart.

Hope that helps.

OS.

I bet she's working at Classic tonight.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2301942] OS has had taxi drivers crying in the taxi while relaying the story of sick baby / dead wife / motorbike accident and his steely heart does not flinch but sometimes these stories from these girls are true and from what OS knows from his illustrious career socialising with them Is that the story you were told is not uncommon. Sometimes you need to trust your heart.[/QUOTE]I've only had 2 taxi drivers do that, but like you, my heart did not flinch and I gave them nothing. I have given many girls "extra" money over the years though. I never donate to any proper charities, but I do consider myself to be quite the philanthropist. I will be going to Heaven without a doubt as I have done my part in helping these young girls.

Not saying each and every one of them is a scamming cry wolf but 90% are. I use Grab and never had any issues. Friend of mine who lives in Bandung now, used to live In Jakarta and drive Grab in Jakarta before, told me all the stories he heard from Taxi drivers of scamming people, specially expats / tourist.

Apparently it's their snack time entertainment stories, so don't let them take advantage of your good will.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2302169]I've only had 2 taxi drivers do that, but like you, my heart did not flinch and I gave them nothing. I have given many girls "extra" money over the years though. I never donate to any proper charities, but I do consider myself to be quite the philanthropist. I will be going to Heaven without a doubt as I have done my part in helping these young girls.[/QUOTE]

No such thing call bar fine and don't even acknowledge if they try to say something like that. Pretend that, that's the stupidest thing you have ever heard and made it sound like funny.

You would have to try that by late night 1 pm to 2 pm and talk to Mama. My suggestion, take the girl for a round first and see how things goes between 2 of you. Also, ask the girl for her number and tell her you would like to take her to your hotel room. If she buzzes on your offer, she will do the talking and convincing with Mama. Alternatively, you can negotiate with mama as well. I had good luck dealing with mama once as she knew me from previous visit and girl was ready as well.

Second opinion would be, arrange a meet with the girl later on in your room but don't pay her anything more than 1 mill for couple of shot. Chances are she will visit you before starting her shift in the evening. Fresh catch of the day.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301584]Does anyone know if any of the Classic type places let you book to take a girl out to your hotel and how much it be?

I rather take girl couple hours my hotel than use their rooms, more comfortable as I stay in nice hotels and a waste not having a girl to take their.[/QUOTE]

All the hotel rooms are on Second and Third floor of the hotel side. I've stayed the 2 x in a standard room with breakfast and it's decent for the price. Hot water, TV, In room safe pretty much everything standard amenities wise. Come is book smoking and. On smoking rooms as they advertise but I'm sure all of them are smoking allowed.

Business Standard rooms are bit larger in size compared to a standard and comes with a couch. Price wise. Almost 2 x the price of the standard room unless you have good negotiation skills and get lucky. I think they only have 4 of this type room.

VIP rooms are the largest type of room and much more space. Living room area is 2 steps higher than bedroom area. Even though it's the same room. Comes with larger sofa and I believe one room has balcony. Price wise higher than business standard type room. I believe I was quoted. 875 mill but can't recall my memory well as that was 2 years ago.

Best thing I like about staying in Classic hotel is, you are steps away from the entertainment complex and can order in room massage from the hotel reception for 100 thousand IDR and hour which was decent. You Can always negotiate extra.

[QUOTE=Vrsabien;2301583]How much is the VIP rooms at Classic?

And is it for the classic place on second floor or the top floor?

I found they both had same type rooms.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2301655]After hearing all these, I kind of estimate how much she owed and towards the end, gave her that amount plus a bit more. I told her that hopefully it can give her a headstart and helped her out of this spiraling debt. I told her that should she continues this line of work, it is because she wants to and not because she is forced into it. She was so surprised that I did that and even second guessed my intention and asked if I am serious even after I had handed her the cash. I assured her there is no strings attached.

It did not make me feel good one way or another and I am pretty much done with Classics or any other places like these in the future.[/QUOTE]It's a good deed and you should feel good about it. Even if someone may say that you may have been taken for a ride, it is the thought of doing something good that should be counted.

There was this girl at Fashion whom I helped like this but in her case, she had to go for another debt for her father's medical conditions for which she had to continue for a few more months though her previous debt was cleared.

But the wrong part was that somehow she told others about me and then other girls used to think that I have fallen for her and would not go with me but advise me to take her only. And she too somehow waited for me even sometime feigning illness for other customers.

I also helped a girl in another city by enrolling her son in a missionary school. Whenever I visit the city she will meet me or at least try to meet me even if she is married to another person.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2302219]No such thing call bar fine and don't even acknowledge if they try to say something like that. Pretend that, that's the stupidest thing you have ever heard and made it sound like funny.

You would have to try that by late night 1 pm to 2 pm and talk to Mama. My suggestion, take the girl for a round first and see how things goes between 2 of you. Also, ask the girl for her number and tell her you would like to take her to your hotel room. If she buzzes on your offer, she will do the talking and convincing with Mama. Alternatively, you can negotiate with mama as well. I had good luck dealing with mama once as she knew me from previous visit and girl was ready as well.

Second opinion would be, arrange a meet with the girl later on in your room but don't pay her anything more than 1 mill for couple of shot. Chances are she will visit you before starting her shift in the evening. Fresh catch of the day.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say, but it seems you don't know what you are talking about. Read Offshore Swell's recent post. That is how it works.

When you are "talking to Mama", that is a negotiation to, for all intensive purposes, pay her bar fine. If you are pulling the girl near closing time (1 or 2 am), it is cheaper than earlier in the day / night. But you still have to pay around 1. 6 million rupiah even talking to the mama that late at night if you want the girl to stay with you in your room until morning. The mama has to clear it with the manager as well, it's not just her you are negotiating with. Places like Hotel Classic basically own these girls. (again, read Offshore swell's post).

The chance of the girl stopping by your room right before work for a "fresh catch of the day" sexual romp is slim and none due to the reasons mentioned in Offshore Swell's post. They control those girls completely, no way are they going to allow that.

[QUOTE=Gautam000;2302327]It's a good deed and you should feel good about it. Even if someone may say that you may have been taken for a ride, it is the thought of doing something good that should be counted.

There was this girl at Fashion whom I helped like this but in her case, she had to go for another debt for her father's medical conditions for which she had to continue for a few more months though her previous debt was cleared.

But the wrong part was that somehow she told others about me and then other girls used to think that I have fallen for her and would not go with me but advise me to take her only. And she too somehow waited for me even sometime feigning illness for other customers.

I also helped a girl in another city by enrolling her son in a missionary school. Whenever I visit the city she will meet me or at least try to meet me even if she is married to another person.[/QUOTE]The Classic girl whom I had helped actually fled the next morning. She used the money to pay what she owed for boarding, bought the bus fare to Palembang. Good for her that I can help.

Unfortunately her minder knows where she lives and threatened her to pay back the remainder of what she owed. She was radio silent for two days until she had no choice but to contact me to ask for help. She needed the remaining 1 million to get this mafia from pursuing her anymore. Unfortunately, I have already left Indonesia but I was able to ask my local friend for a favor to wire her the money.

I know there is no 100% certainty if this is in fact the case, but it is not a lot of money anyway. If it is true, then I have just helped her get on with a new live. Knowing that, I genuinely feel great now.

I don't meant to confuse you or anyone with my experience and no disrespect to anyone's reviews and information either.

I stayed at Classic hotel on the first week of February and wasn't my first visit and won't be last. Because of my frequent visits I'm friends with hotel staff and Terminal 2 staff. I walk in without paying any entry fee and not being search by security guard. I step out to hangout with the staff and to have a smoke in middle of night even without settling the bills. I know some of the mamas and they knows my taste. I don't get harassed by any mama either to take a girl as I walk in. Even some tor the waitress knows what beer I like and when to get a refill. I respect them and treat them well and tip them well and that goes a long way.

I had seen 2 girls in my hotel room and had a threesome before they started their shift for a very decent price. I had taken girls to my room at 2 am and kept her till the morning for again a very decent price. I don't haggle and bargain with them and tip them well. Classic is not a prison and girls are not prisoners. Yes, they are controlled heavily but not against their will.

It all depends on ones approach, attitude and intellectual on how to gain privilege. To sum it up. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not here to pick-on or point fingers. I'm here to share my experience and to assist fellow mongers to the right direction if they need.

Happy safe mongering bro.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2302401]Sorry to say, but it seems you don't know what you are talking about. Read Offshore Swell's recent post. That is how it works.

When you are "talking to Mama", that is a negotiation to, for all intensive purposes, pay her bar fine. If you are pulling the girl near closing time (1 or 2 am), it is cheaper than earlier in the day / night. But you still have to pay around 1. 6 million rupiah even talking to the mama that late at night if you want the girl to stay with you in your room until morning. The mama has to clear it with the manager as well, it's not just her you are negotiating with. Places like Hotel Classic basically own these girls. (again, read Offshore swell's post).

The chance of the girl stopping by your room right before work for a "fresh catch of the day" sexual romp is slim and none due to the reasons mentioned in Offshore Swell's post. They control those girls completely, no way are they going to allow that.[/QUOTE]