Cartagena Reports

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2898499]Thanks for the advice, but the last time I tried to pay less the woman wasted too much time on my whatsapp, then said she was not interested at my low price. Maybe you are a cheap Charlie and want your women for free. You get what you pay for, often, or you go away with Blue Balls. LOL.[/QUOTE]With these muchachas, there is no true correlation between price and service. The girl charging you 400 k pesos for a covered BJ, no kissing, and rushed doggy, will gladly sleep with a man for 150 and offer oral a natural and kissing like a girlfriend.

I feel the need to keep reminding you gents this, but these ladies don't typically earn that much money. The minimum wage in Colombia is 1. 2 MM pesos. Think about that. The hostess at the restaurant, the doorman at your AirBnB, the taxi driver taking you from point A to point be, earn that little typically. Sometimes less.

So put that into perspective when a chica tells you 400 k pesos. She doesn't get that consistently. That's a once in a blue moon type of wage. If it was more common, all the pretty girls in Colombia would just work in Cartagena. So the obvious implication is that she works for much less than that typically, with Colombian men. Men who pay her 150 k (which is still a great wage) for two shots and much better service.

What these girls are relying on is:

1. You believing that their high rates are normal and / or a bargain from rates in the US or Western Europe.

2. You being unwilling to walk away from the negotiation. You mongers have all the negotiating leverage. They need your money more than you need their bodies. There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898569]There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.[/QUOTE]You heard the man. He does not want to miss out on the pussy so he is willing to pay more.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898569]

What these girls are relying on is:

1. You believing that their high rates are normal and / or a bargain from rates in the US or Western Europe.

2. You being unwilling to walk away from the negotiation. You mongers have all the negotiating leverage. They need your money more than you need their bodies. There are more girls willing to sell sex than there are men able to buy it. When she quotes a crazy rate like that, WALK AWAY, and find another.[/QUOTE]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898584]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.[/QUOTE]I agree with this!

My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'd rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.

I go out and I pick the girl I want. The girl doesn't pick me.

I dictate exactly what I want and how I want it. She quotes a price and it's MY CHOICE to accept negotiate or whatever.

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Last time I checked are we a team? More guys on here would hide their favorite hookers because they don't want to share or think others will overpay.

If someone gives me a recommendation then of course I'm not paying more than he did. Simple as that.

But MY time is much more valuable than a 100 bucks.

Also monger and groups like this board are the big minority compared to weekend warriors.

You can look at a girl and instantly know if she gets big $$ from elsewhere. It's really common sense. The hotter girls will quote high and stand firm. Where I would walk is if she tells me on top of the high price she's only doing CBJ. But if she's hot and taking a facial then I'm paying.

Is going to keep going back and forth and its not going to go anywhere, and its because of missing context.

People are too quick to dismiss another person's experience and replace it with their own expecting them to get the same result when they have no idea what that person is looking for in a woman.

Difference between people who lives there or have a shit ton of time there to find another girl so they can always walk away VS those who are there for a short weekend or limited time and don't want to waste their vacation haggling over price.

And the biggest difference I can think of is, will that gringo find another girl he finds attractive during his limited stay.

When I'm there 2-3 consecutive weeks I have friends who will pop in for a quick weekend adventure and it goes back to one of my previous posts where I said I stopped travelling with certain people and it was due to the type of girls they always look for and they will burn 90% of their trip trying to find a girl while tagging along with my chica and I every night on some third wheel shit. I stopped travelling with guys who only like big women (200 LB+), I stopped travelling with guys who only like older women (30+), I stopped travelling with guys who only like fake tits and ass women (Every damn night they want to go to Dolce and we have to buy a bottle to get in), I stopped travelling with guys who only like white skin women (Burned a whole weekend in CTG because of this), and I stopped travelling with guys who only like dark skin women (Burned a whole weekend in MDE because of this shit).

People value their time and money differently. Some people have more of one than the other, also they type of girl they are looking for, yes there are girls everywhere and they outnumber mongers 5-1 but are they the one the monger find attractive enough to want to spend his money on.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2898584]1) It's no secret that people compare prices in Cartagena to what they pay for a lap dance in places like Atlanta. They could give 2 shitz about the market or what the average wage is in Colombia. They have a vacation budget to blow. How many times have guys said they surprisingly went home with money. In other words, they didn't spend their mongering budget. The fact that they budgeted way too much is an after thought. Some even equate how much they spent to how much fun they had.

2) Not sure dudes have all the leverage. She has a gold mine between her legs is how she sees it. All she needs is that one big score. She might also be receiving passive income from Western Union dudes. To most dudes walking around thirsty with a woody, time is more valuable than money because they are on vacation and for many this is the only time they can get any coochie. Girls will go home empty handed because they will eventually find a horny dude willing to pay. Dude ain't trying to spend half his vacation negotiating when he knows he pays 3 times as much for a lap dance back home and his vaca is 5 days. Not even talking about his webcam and Onlyfans expenditures. The thirst is real.[/QUOTE]Men absolutely have all the leverage because these girls are broke. They don't earn very much and they don't save what they earn. Many of them have children to take care of, and they send the money back to their families. I need to keep emphasizing this: there are not enough men who are willing to pay 400 k pesos for sex for that to be a market clearing price. She knows that. She's relying on you not knowing that.

And you can absolutely be ripped off. That's your prerogative. You paying 3 x the going rate doesn't affect me at, since I don't pay those rates, and never will have to. Girls in Cartagena will have sex for 150 k.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898711]Men absolutely have all the leverage because these girls are broke. They don't earn very much and they don't save what they earn. Many of them have children to take care of, and they send the money back to their families. I need to keep emphasizing this: there are not enough men who are willing to pay 400 k pesos for sex for that to be a market clearing price. She knows that. She's relying on you not knowing that.

And you can absolutely be ripped off. That's your prerogative. You paying 3 x the going rate doesn't affect me at, since I don't pay those rates, and never will have to. Girls in Cartagena will have sex for 150 k.[/QUOTE]These guys are all simps and professional tricks. They don't even know the real Colombia. If they were concerned about actually getting a real value for their money they wouldn't even be in Cartagena they would be in Cucuta. So let them trick off their money and flash their gold chains (until that catches up with them LOL). Cartagena is basically another Panama City or Sosua now anyways.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898476]Brothers, you are paying way too much. Negotiate harder.[/QUOTE]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]Thailand been ruined ever since Zoom went over there and started promoting Pattaya as a place to find a wife. Pattaya of all places. Then that Rolling Loud concert kicked things into high gear because them same Sosua mongers that started to ruin Cartagena went over there and messed everything up. Everytime someone brings up getting a Zoom consultation in the travel group they get dunked on because his "girlfriend" is basically on a $125 a week retainer but he constantly promotes her being submissive doing all the housework and cooking, laundry, without him asking. I'm not even going to mention the outrageous prices he charges but as I've said before, the more people I interact with in these circles the more I'm finding it's gringos or military vets scamming and ripping off other gringos overseas to keep themselves afloat while over seas.

Same shit with Travelveristy, when anyone mentions his name to book a consultation they get dunked on too because his "girlfriend" still got that Monger in Asia porn video up.

Same with GameAbroad, stay getting dunked on.

The hot spots in Brazil is going to be to next to go thanks to that Paradise Sosua travel group.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2898714]These guys are all simps and professional tricks. They don't even know the real Colombia. If they were concerned about actually getting a real value for their money they wouldn't even be in Cartagena they would be in Cucuta. So let them trick off their money and flash their gold chains (until that catches up with them LOL). Cartagena is basically another Panama City or Sosua now anyways.[/QUOTE]I don't like insulting other men, especially in this case. I just want guys to get the most value for their dollar / euro, especially here in Colombia, where foreigners get taken advantage of so casually. So you pay 400 k for what another man pays 150 for. The 150 paying gent gets better service (oral a natural & 2 shots), while my foreign brethren pay way more fore pessimistic rushed service. It's just not right.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Paying WAYYY TO MUCH. These guys are paying 3rd world cookers more money then doctors and lawyers in the United States make and they proudly doing it. It's insanity. But luckily I have some hidden places where gringos don't go so the prices are still great. Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2898588]I agree with this!!
My time is more valuable than a 100 usd. I'the rather get what I want when I want. I don't care if I pay more than the next guy or less than the next guy.
I go out and I pick the girl I want. The girl doesn't pick me.
I dictate exactly what I want and how I want it. She quotes a price and it's MY CHOICE to accept negotiate or whatever.

But here's the thing. I love how the haters say you're ruining it for the rest of us or I'm overpaying.

Last time I checked are we a team? More guys on here would hide their favorite hookers because they don't want to share or think others will overpay.

If someone gives me a recommendation then of course I'm not paying more than he did. Simple as that.

But MY time is much more valuable than a 100 bucks.

Also monger and groups like this board are the big minority compared to weekend warriors.

You can look at a girl and instantly know if she gets big $$ from elsewhere. It's really common sense. The hotter girls will quote high and stand firm. Where I would walk is if she tells me on top of the high price she's only doing CBJ. But if she's hot and taking a facial then I'm paying.[/QUOTE]I am glad there is some push back on this. If I have to hear about how mongers ruined a place, I am going to laugh. Top 5% salary in USA now is $250,000 which is $125 per hour but even that does not do it because a higher percentage of wealthy man travel. So it is probably more like one in ten men who travel to Cartagena is making $125 an hour and above, so $125 or $250 is nothing for them.

A buddy of mine makes the equivalent of $200 per hour and paid $200 for two hours and said it was a top 5 experience for him. Do you think he is going to give up a top 5 experience because of the guys here screaming he is being selfish and messing up the market? I do not think he even knows about the site.

One of the other things these guys do not get is the really hot women have options. I had a breakup with an ex-fiance who had one of the nicest bodies you will ever see. Six pack abs. Crazy strong thighs and worked out like a fiend. After we broke up, she made damned sure she showed me all the American guys pursuing her. Marrying one of them would have not been a problem for her.

The top guys want filet mignon and the guys eating hamburger here, and it is obvious who they are, gripe nonstop about the price of hamburger going up. They claim pussy is pussy and therefore beef is beef. As I have asked so many times, why don't they object to the prices on anything else? Why aren't you making fun of the guys eating filet mignon or staying in the expensive hotels?

My Cartagena apartment was 3 million COP. With the dollar at its peak, that was $600 per month. Now with the weaker peso and the complex raising the price to 3. 5 million COP, it is close to $1000 per month. I guess that is the fault of mongers too even though I have yet to see an American or any foreigner around it.

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[QUOTE=CkNice11;2898732]Yall ruined the hell out of cartagena and sosua though. I'm guessing Thailand next.[/QUOTE]Don't forget about Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=PerkinWarbeck;2898788]They didn't ruin Cartagena because there aren't enough men to go around. Those prices are not sticky because a muchacha can't afford to let you walk away. It's the difference between paying her rent or buying her son new shoes or not.

Think about it. If 350-400 k pesos was the going rate for short time in Cartagena, why would a Colombian working girl work in Barranquilla, Bogota, or Medellin for 150 k? The city would be flooded with ladies.

Let's put this in perspective. I live here in Cartagena. My girlfriend's dad, a Cartagenero, earns 1. 8 MM pesos a month managing a restaurant in Bocagrande. He's in his late 40's and has been doing this for 13 years. Now imagine earning 1/5 of what he makes for an hour of a girl's time. That sounds absolutely insane. And it is. 400 k pesos is a ridiculous amount of money for the vast majority of Colombians.[/QUOTE]Sex workers in all countries including the US are capable of making the average monthly salary on one night. I know strippers pulling in 5-6 k in one shift in NyC. Not even Vegas. Girls charging 1 k an hour getting 3-4 clients.

That's why I never understood this comparison. Sex workers will make a lot more than an average working salary. That's how it's always been. Even at third world rates they can make 2-300 k a night dancing at a strip club that comes to 7-8 million a month.