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[QUOTE=Pita123][url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8053596.stm[/url]

[b]China builds first sex theme park[/b][/QUOTE]


The park has been torn down over the weekend.

[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-05/18/content_7785408.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]I know what I want and I want it now!!! RIGHT NOW!!!.

OK - message received loud and clear.

Good luck to you

SEAJ[/QUOTE]


Red Ice,

SEAJ was just trying to open your eyes to the possibilities for you as a young overseas Chinese on the mainland. He tends to do that with many young guys with Chinese ethnic backgrounds. I am certain he had no malicious intentions at all. The problem was the attitude you copped about it.

SammyT is correct. P4P is another realm. I have been doing since before you were born and have blown a fortune, as well. Yes, it is fun while it lasts, but it certainly cannot compare to the feeling of meeting a freebie for the first time, courting her and getting into her pants, albeit without leading her on if your intentions are not long term.

Since you have a couple of months, I reckon you can have the best of both worlds. Use your youth to make friends and find some freebies; time spent with them will be much more enlightening than pros for you to learn about life and culture on the mainland. On the other hand, try the P4P scene with a clear understanding of its risks and limitations. It can be addicting as hell as many of us can attest to.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]
Yes, it is fun while it lasts, but it certainly cannot compare to the feeling of meeting a freebie for the first time, courting her and getting into her pants, albeit without leading her on if your intentions are not long term.

OAH[/QUOTE]

OAH, I was struck by the way you mention 'without leading her on if your intentions are not long term'.

As the highly experienced mongerer and womaniser that you are, why did you add this phrase to the end of your advice to Red Ice? Is there a particular story or stories which have led you to make this kind of statement?

My reason for interest is that I have found myself recently doing some leading on with a few young ladies, rationalising that is be all 'part of the game'. They lie to us, we lie to them and in the end hopefully both parties come away with something they want.

I think that it does seem that the really hot girls almost need this kind of bullshit to actually give guys a chance.

Keen to hear your thoughts!

-BL

[QUOTE=Blacklisted]OAH, I was struck by the way you mention 'without leading her on if your intentions are not long term'.

As the highly experienced mongerer and womaniser that you are, why did you add this phrase to the end of your advice to Red Ice? Is there a particular story or stories which have led you to make this kind of statement?

My reason for interest is that I have found myself recently doing some leading on with a few young ladies, rationalising that is be all 'part of the game'. They lie to us, we lie to them and in the end hopefully both parties come away with something they want.

I think that it does seem that the really hot girls almost need this kind of bullshit to actually give guys a chance.

Keen to hear your thoughts!

-BL[/QUOTE]

BL,

Yes, from my experience, when you tell a potential freebie that you are married, you lose a lot of opportunities. When you don't, you run the risk of complications if she finds out later on and decides to cause trouble. I have been tracked down and the wife found out twice. I suppose if you just go to a bar and pick up a freebie for an one night stand, it does not matter and the subject may never even come up. On the other hand, if you lie about the possibility of a long term relationship to get in her pants, it is not fair and can get nasty. You had better just go the P4P route.

Now I am not saying that I always offer the truth in advance if not asked, but I normally spill the beans if confronted directly.

I remember meeting a girl in Shenzhen a few years back. She was selling cars. I was in the showroom late and offered to take her out for dinner.
She told me that she never asks personal questions. We ended up having a little fling for awhile until we got bored of each other. She may have been married too for that matter. I never knew since we never discussed it.

Other than that, I am upfront with all the freebies I do on a regular basis. I may be missing some very hot ones, but I sleep better at night.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]BL,

Yes, from my experience, when you tell a potential freebie that you are married, you lose a lot of opportunities. When you don't, you run the risk of complications if she finds out later on and decides to cause trouble. I have been tracked down and the wife found out twice. I suppose if you just go to a bar and pick up a freebie for an one night stand, it does not matter and the subject may never even come up. On the other hand, if you lie about the possibility of a long term relationship to get in her pants, it is not fair and can get nasty. You had better just go the P4P route.

Now I am not saying that I always offer the truth in advance if not asked, but I normally spill the beans if confronted directly.

I remember meeting a girl in Shenzhen a few years back. She was selling cars. I was in the showroom late and offered to take her out for dinner.
She told me that she never asks personal questions. We ended up having a little fling for awhile until we got bored of each other. She may have been married too for that matter. I never knew since we never discussed it.

Other than that, I am upfront with all the freebies I do on a regular basis. I may be missing some very hot ones, but I sleep better at night.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the candid reply buddy.

Curious as to how the missus did find out on those two occasions...

Another question is, do you sleep better at night knowing there is lesser chance of getting caught, or because you have not misled someone into thinking long term when you are just after short term action?

Also, have you use a shag pad for your adventures previously? I know currently not, but wonder if you did in the past?

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]BL,

Yes, from my experience, when you tell a potential freebie that you are married, you lose a lot of opportunities. When you don't, you run the risk of complications if she finds out later on and decides to cause trouble. I have been tracked down and the wife found out twice. I suppose if you just go to a bar and pick up a freebie for an one night stand, it does not matter and the subject may never even come up. On the other hand, if you lie about the possibility of a long term relationship to get in her pants, it is not fair and can get nasty. You had better just go the P4P route.

Now I am not saying that I always offer the truth in advance if not asked, but I normally spill the beans if confronted directly.

I remember meeting a girl in Shenzhen a few years back. She was selling cars. I was in the showroom late and offered to take her out for dinner.

She told me that she never asks personal questions. We ended up having a little fling for awhile until we got bored of each other. She may have been married too for that matter. I never knew since we never discussed it.

Other than that, I am upfront with all the freebies I do on a regular basis. I may be missing some very hot ones, but I sleep better at night.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]Oah

I'm usually very selective the freebies that I pickup. That is the reason why I tend to choose the trophy wives that are kept by busy businessmen that ignore them right after they acquire them. They could be wives or gfs. I prefer them because they are much less sticky and would have a tendency not to track you down. I prefer to maintain affairs atleast one ocean away (live in US). The only situation that I had was one freebie had already stash enough (mucho bucks) from her husband and wanted to ditch him and told me that she may have enough (which I do not doubt her) to maybe replace the loss settlement if I divorce my wife. She was hot but I felt that she was just a bit on the crazy side. She maybe the type that may limit my mongering if I got together with her on a permanent basis, or even worse can be a "Lorena Bobbitt' but an asian version of her. Now that would be devastating to my health. Her husband maybe a bit "craze" if he found out what she has stash away. I actually knows of him but do not know him personally. He regularly mongers in HK with a lot of high end "biatchs".

I just found that dealing with these "loaded" married type have less maintenance than the casual ones.

BTW, what did the wifey say/do when you got caught you with goods. I find that some asian based wives looks the other way just as long as you do not rub it into their face. When you rub it in their face, causing them to lose face, that is when they becomes a bit crazy.

Just my 2rmb on this. You know my niche in the China market.

I just wonder, are there any lower cost Viagra alternatives in China? I mean something from a pharmacy and not some obscure sex-shop-under-the-counter stuff?

I think the originals costs around 300 or so.

I bought some generics from India which did work well, but seem to loose power now due to age (the pills, not mine).

I Thailand I once bought some generic Cialis (I think brand was Kamagra) which worked also well.

Freebies
[quote]I have been tracked down [/quote]

The key is not to give out any traceable data. Get a fake name, cards and a mobile number just for "friends". You need to generate a plausible cover up before you start.

PS: I added a little translation for Viagra, Cialis and Levitra. That should be helpful when in a pharmacy.

[QUOTE=Blacklisted]Thanks for the candid reply buddy.

Curious as to how the missus did find out on those two occasions...

Another question is, do you sleep better at night knowing there is lesser chance of getting caught, or because you have not misled someone into thinking long term when you are just after short term action?

Also, have you use a shag pad for your adventures previously? I know currently not, but wonder if you did in the past?[/QUOTE]

BL,

The first time was a Filipina I was doing in Hong Kong. I made the mistake of giving her my business card. She called my office on a weekend claiming to be a close friend and one of my clerks working OT gave her my home number. She called and the missus answered.

The second was a friend's secretary working in the same building as I was. A jealous co-worker of hers ratted me out and told my wife.

I think the good sleep is a combination. Call me old fashioned, but deep down in my heart, I do not want to trick the freebies. And, I do not like it when they get too clingy either.

I never had a shag pad. This also poses a problem if you want to lie. There is always the question of why don't you take them home. I usually try to take them away for a few days somewhere nice e.g. beach, hotsprings, etc. and stay at a hotel. Especially, the first time. After that, I do them at their places, rent a hotel room ST, even in the car. The problem I find with a lot of them is leaving after the deed. Even though they know you have to leave, there is always this feeling of desertion when you cannot spend the whole night with them. For this reason, I also try to take them along or meet them when I travel e.g. the last couple of times was in Shanghai I had freebies with me.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=DayNight]

I bought some generics from India which did work well, but seem to loose power now due to age (the pills, not mine).

I Thailand I once bought some generic Cialis (I think brand was Kamagra) which worked also well.
[/QUOTE]

India has a very good reputation for making western drugs.

The government in India does not recognise international patent laws regarding drugs and therefore protects these companies. This is what i have read.

Kamagra is a well known Indian brand of Viagra, it is not a copy of Cialis.

It might be that you have built up a tolerance for the medication, or maybe your medical condition has deteriorated. Maybe, just maybe, it's you and not the pills.

Some of us on this forum have privately discussed this very same topic.

One member of this forum, who is a doctor, has recommended switching between Cialis and Viagra and maybe periods without, so as to help avoid developing a tolerance.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Santa]
One member of this forum, who is a doctor, has recommended switching between Cialis and Viagra and maybe periods without, so as to help avoid developing a tolerance. [/QUOTE]

I have started switching between the two myself but find myself building a tolerance for both of them. I use the Kamagra from India, Santa gave me some and I also bought the same thing in Thailand. It works OK for me. I used the generic Cialis from Thailand but did not have good luck with it. I use genuine Cialis from Hong Kong.

I use Viagra for just one pop or one evening. It used to last all night for me and I had trouble keeping it down. Now if I take one at 4:00PM, it does not work again at 11:00PM. The consistency is gone.

I use Cialis if I need 2 days. The first day is fine, but it is less effective on the 2nd day.

I/ve also noticed an increase in the time for onset over time.

Just my POV.

OAH

[QUOTE=Santa]Kamagra is a well known Indian brand of Viagra, it is not a copy of Cialis.[/QUOTE]

Then it was something else. It was definitely the Cialis type that I bought in Thailand. It worked for a few days. I guess the Kamagra is then what I got online. It's round, white pills.

[QUOTE=Santa]It might be that you have built up a tolerance for the medication, or maybe your medical condition has deteriorated. Maybe, just maybe, it's you and not the pills.[/QUOTE]

I think the pills have deteriorated. I seldom use them, I usually have lots of activity without them, and if, then only with "friends". That is just a few times a year. I forgot when I bought them, must be a few years ago. A few years of probably too warm storage. (at this point I don't want to rule out "built up a tolerance". To give a quantity figure, I bought 30 (I think) and still have 13 - they must be at least 3 years old now.)

Anyway, I hope to find something matching in China. I would also buy online, if they promise to stop sending me those 100 emails a day, but I doubt that will happen.

[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]BL,

The first time was a Filipina I was doing in Hong Kong. I made the mistake of giving her my business card. She called my office on a weekend claiming to be a close friend and one of my clerks working OT gave her my home number. She called and the missus answered.

The second was a friend's secretary working in the same building as I was. A jealous co-worker of hers ratted me out and told my wife.

I think the good sleep is a combination. Call me old fashioned, but deep down in my heart, I do not want to trick the freebies. And, I do not like it when they get too clingy either.

I never had a shag pad. This also poses a problem if you want to lie. There is always the question of why don't you take them home. I usually try to take them away for a few days somewhere nice e.g. beach, hotsprings, etc. and stay at a hotel. Especially, the first time. After that, I do them at their places, rent a hotel room ST, even in the car. The problem I find with a lot of them is leaving after the deed. Even though they know you have to leave, there is always this feeling of desertion when you cannot spend the whole night with them. For this reason, I also try to take them along or meet them when I travel e.g. the last couple of times was in Shanghai I had freebies with me.

Just my POV.

OAH[/QUOTE]

Sorry to hear about the hassles with getting busted. That must have truly sucked.

I do understand your reasons for not wanting to trick the freebies. I also prefer to be upfront and honest, but if it was a sure thing it just becomes a 50/50 chance, so not sure I can fess up all the time.

The shag pad is definitely a great help in terms of backing up the lie, but I know exactly what you mean about leaving them in the night to go back home again. That is even harder with a shag pad.

Thankfully most girls just don't ask about marriage and such I have found, probably prefering not to know. But some of the young hotties seem to have a pretty firm agenda and do not want to waste time fucking about with married guys.

From my experience it seems they need to reach about 24 before sex becomes a true pleasurable experience for them worth it just for the act itself. Anyone else find that to be the case?

I will probably play a bit of deception and see if guilt gets the better of me as I don't think I can resist what's on the burners at the moment.

Thanks for the candid advice buddy!

-BL

[QUOTE=DayNight]Then it was something else. It was definitely the Cialis type that I bought in Thailand. It worked for a few days. I guess the Kamagra is then what I got online. It's round, white pills.



I think the pills have deteriorated. I seldom use them, I usually have lots of activity without them, and if, then only with "friends". That is just a few times a year. I forgot when I bought them, must be a few years ago. A few years of probably too warm storage. (at this point I don't want to rule out "built up a tolerance". To give a quantity figure, I bought 30 (I think) and still have 13 - they must be at least 3 years old now.)

Anyway, I hope to find something matching in China. I would also buy online, if they promise to stop sending me those 100 emails a day, but I doubt that will happen.[/QUOTE]

I have bought Kamagra from XLPharmacy.com They claim to be a canadian company, but the mail comes from India.

Friends I gave them to all agreed that they seem to be the same as the original Viagra. Have received them in both shapes, round white pills and triangular blue. Never tried the Cialis.

The issue regarding tolerance is controversial. I did a Google search and found the manufacturers claim there is no problem with guys developing a tolerance, but some guys on this forum have insisted that they did develop a tolerance. The manufacturers say that such claims must be because their medical condition has deteriorated and they need to switch to a higher dosage. For financial reasons it would be in their interest to say so, so who knows what is true.

About a year ago i read a very interesting story in the NYTimes about counterfeit Viagra. The drug companies private investigators found knockoff Viagra being sold in western drugstores, being sold as the genuine artical. They said it was a perfect knock-off, even right down to the hologram on the packet. It was being smuggled and distributed through Dubai, and being sold around the world in massive quantities. Western pharmacies were selling them without knowing they were counterfeits. They traced it back to China but were unable to go directly to the source.

So, I think there are perfect counterfeits being sold in China, but i think there are lots of other knock-off. So how do we know which are good and safe?

Since it is legal to copy and sell western drugs in India I think that is the best source. Some guys prefer to buy the legal pills in HongKong, but even then how do you know for sure it's not another knock-off.

Finally, the medical experts agree that the best way to solve this problem is to stay healthy. Good diet, lose weight and exercise.

[QUOTE=Santa]...Finally, the medical experts agree that the best way to solve this problem is to stay healthy. Good diet, lose weight and exercise...[/QUOTE]Very true. I haven't even seen one of those pills except on pictures, and I will definitely not eat one. The same goes for any other kind of medicine except antibiotics in a really serious case.

[QUOTE=Santa]

Since it is legal to copy and sell western drugs in India I think that is the best source. [/QUOTE]

I have just learned that India changed its generic drug laws in 2005. Generics made in India prior to 2005 are still legal, but all newer drugs are regulated by international patent laws.