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[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1154871]For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"!

Exceptional genes. You can see this in every race.

I've never seen cream of the crop Thai pussy working in Nana, Cowboy, Patong, or Pattaya. The cream of the crop is kept by the Thais, unfortunatley.

Have a walk through Paragon and you'll see what I mean.[/QUOTE]Gorgeous is, of course, in the eye of the beholder. I've noticed that even what is sometimes called slim or young looking does not always look that way to me.

I seldom go to any area you listed, though saw a number 70 in Rainbow 4 recently that had one of the most beautiful faces I've ever seen & perhaps every other criterion you list. Likewise a NPL FL, with the same name of the singer of the group Endorphine, who BTW claims to have formerly worked in Rainbow 4. If you like starfish she should be fun. Up her donation from 1K to 2K and it will only be 50% starfishing. Maybe at 3K she would also put in a semi enthusiastic act.

[QUOTE=Pro Fesseur;1154869]"Normal girls" are more expensive during the courtship (there is none usually with prostitutes). For many guys, they are more expensive too in the long term, especially in Thailand, as many end up buying major items (vehicle, land, house, etc.) for their regular girlfriend or wife, and are asked to help their girlfriend's or wife's family too.[/QUOTE]This only means that guys need to stop being suckers and falling for someone who only wants them for their money or material possessions. To me this is not a normal girl. I have NEVER had a nonpro in Thailand ask me for one satang for themselves and they definitely have not asked anything for family members. If they have ever asked me to bring them a certain thing then it has always been followed by,"I will give you the money for it when you get here." What you are describing to me is a hooker in normal girl's clothing. And I am not afraid to call them out if they rear their ugly head. Either you can be a hooker or you can be a girlfriend. You can not be both.

Also gifts. Where does all of this goodheartedness come from? I rarely give a chick anything for her birthday, and never anything like gold or diamonds. I have never given my own mother or daughter gold or diamonds. I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1154871]For purpose of this chat cream of the crop is fairly simple. Aesthetically symmetrical features, slim, young, healthy, proportionate body, low amount of body fat, smooth nice skin, white eyes, sexy lips. Basically "Gorgeous"![/QUOTE]So you assert that this "cream of the crop" only consists of physical attributes. You can put all of these combinations together and still have someone who is ugly as sin. This also takes for granted that everyone likes women who are young and slim which I doubt is the case.

Sure age, weight, and body fat can be quantitavely measured but the other things are purely subjective so their fit will vary from person to person."To me her lips are sexy but to you they are butt ugly and hideous." I would never choose a real world girlfriend soley on the physical attributes because these things have a high propensity for change. I would never choose a real girlfriend under 25 because until that age neither their minds nor bodies have not settled into who they will be for the long run. Think back to high school. At 18 she was elegant, but at the 10 year reunion she was an elephant.

I definitely would not choose a serious mate or girlfriend who has not at least finished high school. And she better have at least some university experience if she doesn't have a good job. I have an MBA and would look like a plum fool by being unequally yoked with a woman who has not even finished high school. The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155013]I will give them a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or in rare occaisions a pair of shoes maybe; but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.[/QUOTE]How long have you stayed in Thailand with the same "normal" girlfriend on a daily basis? I'm guessing that it has not been very long yet.

Interesting conversations and viewpoints.

As far as I am concerned, I enjoy both. I may have the chance that, for me, money is not an issue. But I do not find non P4P girls to be that expensive.

Anyway, just do what you feel is good and don't lose sight of what is important in every relationship (P4P or Not) , HAVE FUN

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1154848]To me every woman is average. Cream of the Crop / Quality is a term thrown around pretty loosely on this board when talking about women, whether pro or non-pro […]

But when we speak about women what is cream of the crop? Are we basing it on her level of education? How much money she has in the bank? How much money her parents have in the bank? How many friends she has? How old she is? How much she weighs? How tall she is? Her skin tone? The type of job she has? What material possessions she has? If she has kids or not? Or are we talking in terms of subjectivity here where to each his own and everyone has their own idea of what it is and it may vary?[/QUOTE]
I did not want to pursue the discussion started some time ago about the girls' real value on the local market, but it seems that some people here don't understand that yes, there are several objective criteria to evaluate it. It does not matter what your own taste is. Here, in Thailand, a girl with a fair complexion has more value than a similar girl whose skin is darker, a girl who has not been pregnant yet has more value than one who is already a mother, an 18-year old girl has more value than a more mature woman (by the way, many local girls consider that they are already old when they are over 25!), etc.

I much prefer eating mangoes (or guavas!) than [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian"]durians[/url]. That's great for me, because mangoes and guavas are much cheaper. As I know the market prices, I would never pay the price of durians for buying mangoes, even if for me, mangoes are more delicious.

Same thing for the local girls: a young tall slim fair-skinned university student originating from an upper-middle class family has much more value in Thailand than a mature dark-skinned undereducated mother coming from a poor rural village of Isaan. You might have more fun and better sex with the latter, but the former is higher placed on the local scale of girls' value, and it's obvious for everyone who has spent enough time in Thailand outside of the [url="http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1147000&viewfull=1#post1147000"]tourist-oriented zoos[/url].

Look at the “Sin Sot” (wedding dowry) amounts that the local males are disbursing to marry a Thai woman, and you will get a pretty good idea of what kinds of women are the “cream of the crop” and who are those that have very little value. You might disagree with their taste and criteria, but it doesn't change the fact that the market value of the local girls is not as subjective as you and other members might think.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155013]... but a car or house or cash money? You must be out of your fucking mind.[/QUOTE]
That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1155019]The thing is that everybody's cream of the crop is different. You can point to magazine covers all you want, but that stuff is mostly make-up, hair styling, and airbrush. In other words smoke and mirrors. And the real world is not fantasy land.[/QUOTE]I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.

So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science!

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1155050]I'm not pointing to magazine covers. Just follow the money in BKK and you will see the cream of the crop and they are not hanging out with foreigners. They are hanging with rich Thais who are spending tons of cash on them. Thais have plenty of money these days to "keep" them exclusive.

Anyhow, I'm not saying that there aren't pretty, sexy women outside of the cream, its just that cream is at a level that very few, especially foreigners, can get. And that cream isn't going to go hang out with you and eat chicken rice on the cheap table on the side of the road with you on a first date. LOL.

So back to my original point: Cream of the crop Thai girls are more expensive than p4p girls. It's not rocket science! [/QUOTE]I love these debates. Hehehe.

But wait. Aren't these discussions why we were segregated to the Expats threads in the first place?

Careful guys, we have fucked up massage threads that are split in 3, an expat section for every post that is not about which is the cheapest ST joint and which girl blows the best in which bar. Thanks to the work of some crybabies on this forum, so if we don't want these fuckers to go cry to the admin, we should move this discussion to the Expat section.

[QUOTE=Goyave;1155043]That's what most rich Thais (for instance) do with their "mia noi" (= "mistress" or "second wife")![/QUOTE]Same happens in China. When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes. And that is not going to add any fuel to the evergoing debate on prices. For sure!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1155105]... When one is rich can dispose of his money the way he likes...[/QUOTE]
Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms): their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.

Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.

Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.).

On the advice of Nic I have continued the debate in the Expat thread.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1036-Thai-Women-Opinions-amp-Advice&p=1155133&viewfull=1#post1155133[/url]

[QUOTE=Goyave; 1155115]Biased and incorrect deduction. Those rich Thais would never spend any money on girls of substandard quality (by local norms) : their mistresses are usually not in the same league than what is available for the average foreigner in Thailand.

Again, it's all about the local market value of the girls. The rich Thais would not spend a single baht for banging the girls (well, most of them) that one can see in the photo gallery and they would be absolutely ashamed of being seen in their company.

Don't underestimate the importance of not "losing face" in Southeast Asia: a rich Thai doesn't always spend his money the way he likes, but often considering the gain in status that he may obtain with his spendings (and then showing off his expensive car, beautiful house, white-skinned young mistress, etc.). [/QUOTE]I agree on this.

But the example started from "how much one man (rich local guy) can put to have a second wife or a date": my point ws simialr: they have their own standard and can care the less of the market based on our standards. That market has different standards"

Hello! I have been planning my first trip to BK, and have gotten much great info from this forum. Thank you all.

I would like to ask, though, if anyone has recently been to Rose Massage, Sukhumvit Soi 22. I searched the forum but only saw report / references from 2009. Which seems like lots of time for things to change. They (of course) have a lovely gallery, but we all know how great photoshop can be.

Thanks in advance! I'll put up reports of my trip (first 2 weeks of June-hey, it's when I could go.) when I get back.

LS

Why continue this in the expat thread? Do you assume non-expats can't get non-pros? Wrong assumption.