Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=*****man;1952737]I always pay the whole amount up front. I don't see any reason for being sly and putting it in her pocket. Is that supposed to make you feel more manly or something? Also, a lot of guys would give a tip for multiple pops of A+. It's not necessary but the girl would be disappointed without one.[/QUOTE]Tipping practice in Thailand is cash into the hand, however I suppose it makes little difference. Did not occur to me to vary that. Guys have been known to put in a girl's bra or garter.

I generally do so in such a way she can see how much as well. Yes no need to be secretive, unless want to pay her far too much I guess. Better she knows so you can know her reaction to it too (in case disappointed).

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1952741]Tipping practice in Thailand is cash into the hand, however I suppose it makes little difference. Did not occur to me to vary that. Guys have been known to put in a girl's bra or garter.

I generally do so in such a way she can see how much as well. Yes no need to be secretive, unless want to pay her far too much I guess. Better she knows so you can know her reaction to it too (in case disappointed).[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that. LordFarquard is saying he doesn't give a tip at all but secretively slips the required payment into the girl's pocket. That's not the way it should be done. In fact, it's quite deceptive as the girl probably thinks he's slipped her a big tip and when he walks out the door and she sees he hasn't tipped at all she's probably really pissed off.

Well in a stunning suprise, Emanuelle soapy (at Huai Kwang) was full of hotties and some stunners as well. I used to live nearby and was never that impressed with their available walking (non-prebooking) talent. Often walking in and walking out in disappointment (towards their hiring ability). However, with the military crack down on "partying," it seems that the soapies may be well stocked as a result. I guess if girl's can't ply their trade in clubs / gogo's then they will look to soapies?

Anyway, I got there at 7:30 on Sat evening, which is probably considered the best time and best day to go to any soapy, as this is when the attractive sideliners show up to make their part-time work. Was definitely impressed this time with their line-up, many do-able girls, various 8/10's and at least 1 stunner, 9/10. The stunner was 5300 baht, and the girl I took was 3700. She was an 8/10. Now, onto the cons, and this is pretty common at a ratchada soapy so you have to go in expecting this: no BJ was offered, I didn't bother asking as I am used ratchada soapies providing covered and poorly skilled BJs. I'm kind of weird though in that I don't even like BJ's that much, but that's just me. Another guy could have insisted on this and maybe gotten it. Also no DATY, which is really common with ratachada soapy girls. Other than however, the show was rather good, standard GFE, not the least-bit of a starfish, and moaning wasn't annoying or over-dramatic. Service, for a ratachada soapy, 7/10.

I think I will be going back to soapies again and forgoing the ollies. I'm not into PSE and I see no point trying to find diamonds in the rough at ollies, it's almost all rough it turns out.

[QUOTE=*****man;1952737]I always pay the whole amount up front. I don't see any reason for being sly and putting it in her pocket. Is that supposed to make you feel more manly or something? Also, a lot of guys would give a tip for multiple pops of A+. It's not necessary but the girl would be disappointed without one.[/QUOTE]I don't pay anything till I go downstairs after the session. One reason is I never know if I am going an hour or 90 min. I give 1900 for an hour 2100 for 90 min. Never tipped a Baht in the oilies.

[QUOTE==*****man;1952755]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think that is one of the reason most PSE shops have gone to payment up front: to differentiate between the service charge, and any tip on top of that.

SL.

[QUOTE=*****man;1952755]Just to be clear, the 1500 baht that LordFarquard slips into the girl's pocket is not a tip. It is the payment you're required to make for the services you receive. The tip is any money you give to the girl on top of that. LordFarquard is saying he doesn't give a tip at all but secretively slips the required payment into the girl's pocket. That's not the way it should be done. In fact, it's quite deceptive as the girl probably thinks he's slipped her a big tip and when he walks out the door and she sees he hasn't tipped at all she's probably really pissed off.[/QUOTE]The amount I am giving the girl may not be 1500 exactly. So it has a tip component, if she deserves it. I don't try to make a distinction between the payment and the tip since she receives it all and mostly no price was mentioned.

Often gogo girls go with me without discussing the price, even girls not previously BFed, and a Thermae girl did also. So I would not be able to separate what part was payment and what part was tip (if I over paid).

I consider money to the girl as a mandatory tip or service charge with an expected minimum. I am almost always making a decision afterwards. What would be a fair amount to pay her today. It is not always the same. May even depend on my mood.

A newbie has been spotted at Sky Massage on Sukhumvit road (near soi 38). Name: Nanny.

20 year old, buxom. Big boobs with huge areolas, still has the passion and rolled her eyes a few times when I was at it.

I enjoyed my session with a real newbie and also saw that she was enjoying her session a lot.

Sky. Only 3-4 girls, spotted 2 more doable ones, but older.

WIR with Nanny? YES.

P.S.: I am writing this report for the guy who had asked me specifically for ladies with Areolas.

Since I have long deleted the PM, here is the FR for him.

Hey,

My favorite used to be chao phraya on rama road. Haven't been to Bangkok in a while.

Now finally I've a small break. Though I arrive early in the morning but my flight back is at 4.

Any early morning soapies with 7+ women?

And of course. Looking forward to the famous rimming in thailand. Any recommendations on that?

Thanks!

I can be very useful to guide you through hongkong and Guangzhou!

Sam!

[QUOTE=*****man;1952234]Can you be a bit more descriptive about her looks? How old did she look? Natural tits or silicones? Pert or droopy? Dark skin or fair? Any signs of baby damage?[/QUOTE]Short, natural big boobs (for a Thai), curvy. No kids she said, couldn't see any baby damage, quite tight p. She is 27, looks her age. Worked as a nurse before, originally from Chang mai. Overall not a model, but good looking.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;1952897]Agreed. I think that is one of the reason most PSE shops have gone to payment up front: to differentiate between the service charge, and any tip on top of that.

SL.[/QUOTE]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]I just don't get why someone would try and leave without paying. If service is bad, go downstairs and complain and if the service is good, Pay up and be happy to pay up.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]Some 'Asian dudes' definitely tip. There's an English-language Singaporean mongers forum where they discuss it in exactly the same way we do, I. E. Tip if you want. They tend to avoid arguing about it though. The Japanese seem to like handing out silly tips in go go bars so whatever they do in Japan some of them clearly do things differently here. If westerners tipped but east Asians didn't we'd be more popular with the girls wouldn't we? But it seems a lot of girls have the opposite preference.

I personally don't tip because I always choose the one hour, one pop option. It seems a bit ridiculous to tip when you've asked for and been given the minimum like that. But going back to the newbie who started this discussion, he's looking for multiple pops of A+, so presumably he's going for the 2 hour option. If I chose the best looking girl in a PSE place, someone like Ninja in Snow White or May in Mango, and wanted 2 hours of anal sex with her, I'd give a tip if service was good. When guys are throwing 2500+ baht for 30 minutes with a starfish go go girl, is 750 baht an hour for PSE anal sex a fair price? If the girl was one of the older ones with damaged bodies then she's happy just to get a customer so I wouldn't tip. If on the other hand a girl gets 5 customers a day just because of her looks then you might want to consider tipping if she's given you 2 hours of great anal sex or great service in some other way. It's up to you but at the end of the session we want the girl to be happy, don't we?

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;1953422]I just don't get why someone would try and leave without paying. If service is bad, go downstairs and complain and if the service is good, Pay up and be happy to pay up.[/QUOTE]There are some real low lives mongering in Thailand. A lot of them end up penniless, trying to get free sex for as long as possible before jumping from the 20th floor of a condo. I'm happy to pay up front in an MP. You might even find the manageress will be more sympathetic if you've paid in advance and then make a complaint because then she knows you're not just some conman looking to get out of paying. Although service standards vary, I've never wanted a refund in any MP in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1953380]Actually they went to payment up front because guys were trying to walk out without paying. BTW, Asian dudes don't tip.[/QUOTE]Yes, over many years I heard plenty of stories, quiet believable, from girls about guys having their fuck and then suddenly discovering they did not have any money to pay. They believed they could get a freebie. This was in Soapies, Oilies, gogo girls, you name it. These stories were from girls that did not require me to pay in advance, just their experiences with other guys. Mostly the girls were not able to do much about it. In recent years only one panaroid gogo girl was really trying hard to get me to pay in advance after her recent bad experiences with someone else. I did not give in since I did not want to start the precedent too readily. Seems all the rest trust me. I think that the more stingy, arrogant and asshole like, that a guy acts, the more the girl will look for upfront payment.

I remember Soapies' girls who often complained about Hi So guys supposedly close to the owners who thought they could come in, get a group of girls to make sex party, and then pay the girls nothing at all.

Another common incidence, were guys deciding to adjust the price significantly downward, which may not have been justified in the girl's mind but justified somehow in the guys mind because she did not allow anal, did not enough 3 pops, or did not swallow, whatever. I even heard of guys saying they did not enjoy it, so did not feel had to pay.

Bad behavior of a small percentage of customers caused some MPs to change to upfront charging (Soapies were almost always upfront for the base fee), and for extras to be added into the total upfront fee. Even the Thais had a bad reputation at soapies for failing to pay for the sex, simply because nothing would happen when they refused to pay. Finally in the last 3 years or so, we have seen gogos try to get all money out of the customer before he gets the sex, opening to the possibility of a barfined girl doing a runner before she provides the sex. Fortunately I have not had to succumb to paying up front in gogo bars other than the BF part and drinks. Still plenty of girls did not specify a price for the ST, but that is somewhat less frequent than in old times.

For most MPs, like Whor-eman, I have got used to paying up front, since most do not provide an option otherwise, or perhaps they would if they know me, but makes little difference to me. There is never any guarantee the girl will be a fantastic GFE, and will not be dick scared, and is not too tired, too sick, or too lazy to do a good session. It's a crap shoot. However it is less likely that the girl will do a runner than with a gogo girl or freelancer. Sometimes get a session that is a complete waste of money but fortunately infrequent these days. Recall a really crap session at Pink massage with a timid dick scared girl, who some other ISGer rated as really good. Recall a really crap "stuff around session" with Vodka at Cherry massage was it, where others again thought she was O.K. Who knows what went wrong? I guess she was exhausted before we started. There are no guarantees, however we still end up having to pay the minimum for the fuck, even did not get very far with the fuck at all.

I never take LT with a girl unless I know her well. I have got used to idea I don't actually need to really sleep with girls, only to have them available for sex.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1953457]Yes, over many years I heard plenty of stories, quiet believable, from girls about guys having their fuck and then suddenly discovering they did not have any money to pay. They believed they could get a freebie. This was in Soapies, Oilies, gogo girls, you name it. These stories were from girls that did not require me to pay in advance, just their experiences with other guys. Mostly the girls were not able to do much about it. In recent years only one panaroid gogo girl was really trying hard to get me to pay in advance after her recent bad experiences with someone else. I did not give in since I did not want to start the precedent too readily. Seems all the rest trust me. I think that the more stingy, arrogant and asshole like, that a guy acts, the more the girl will look for upfront payment.

I remember Soapies' girls who often complained about Hi So guys supposedly close to the owners who thought they could come in, get a group of girls to make sex party, and then pay the girls nothing at all.

Another common incidence, were guys deciding to adjust the price significantly downward, which may not have been justified in the girl's mind but justified somehow in the guys mind because she did not allow anal, did not enough 3 pops, or did not swallow, whatever. I even heard of guys saying they did not enjoy it, so did not feel had to pay.

Bad behavior of a small percentage of customers caused some MPs to change to upfront charging (Soapies were almost always upfront for the base fee), and for extras to be added into the total upfront fee. Even the Thais had a bad reputation at soapies for failing to pay for the sex, simply because nothing would happen when they refused to pay. Finally in the last 3 years or so, we have seen gogos try to get all money out of the customer before he gets the sex, opening to the possibility of a barfined girl doing a runner before she provides the sex. Fortunately I have not had to succumb to paying up front in gogo bars other than the BF part and drinks. Still plenty of girls did not specify a price for the ST, but that is somewhat less frequent than in old times.

For most MPs, like Whor-eman, I have got used to paying up front, since most do not provide an option otherwise, or perhaps they would if they know me, but makes little difference to me. There is never any guarantee the girl will be a fantastic GFE, and will not be dick scared, and is not too tired, too sick, or too lazy to do a good session. It's a crap shoot. However it is less likely that the girl will do a runner than with a gogo girl or freelancer. Sometimes get a session that is a complete waste of money but fortunately infrequent these days. Recall a really crap session at Pink massage with a timid dick scared girl, who some other ISGer rated as really good. Recall a really crap "stuff around session" with Vodka at Cherry massage was it, where others again thought she was O.K. Who knows what went wrong? I guess she was exhausted before we started. There are no guarantees, however we still end up having to pay the minimum for the fuck, even did not get very far with the fuck at all.

I never take LT with a girl unless I know her well. I have got used to idea I don't actually need to really sleep with girls, only to have them available for sex.[/QUOTE]I never pay up front in the PSE oilies and have never been asked to. Probably because I have been a customer for 10 years and am known. I have on occasion called a session off due to bad baby scars, finding warts on a gal, etc. In those cases I have tipped a small amount to the gal and that is all I have paid. Never even questioned about it when I walk out at the desk. I am very hesitant to go to a place where I have to pay up front because I have given away the only bargaining chip I have.