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[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2998380]And as for the beer girls, do they really go sleep with guys all the time? I thought they were just there to sell beer. How many of you have had luck with the beer girls?[/QUOTE]I will give you two words that will lead you to success: [B]Bar Fine[/B].
[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]
T-Mobile and Verizon (maybe AT&T?) now include international roaming and calling AND high speed data in their top tier plans. I was able to use my USA number with no extra charges in Pattaya for texting, data or calls. No hassle with trying to ask the girls what the damn wifi pwd is.
Peace!
[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2997319]Long time ago I posted about getting SIM at 7-11 upon arrival BKK. The package was about 200-350 unlimited 5 G for a month. Hate to say it, but now their packages match the tourists packages offered at the airport stalls. 400 for 8 days was the cheapest at 7-11. They caught up to the game. That's what I get for sharing intel. Market got ruined just the same when guys starting sharing videos of Figueroa girls. So anybody want to share intel on their hot Thai girls that go for cheap? 555.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GentileBear;2998861]T-Mobile and Verizon (maybe AT&T?) now include international roaming and calling AND high speed data in their top tier plans. I was able to use my USA number with no extra charges in Pattaya for texting, data or calls. No hassle with trying to ask the girls what the damn wifi pwd is.
Peace![/QUOTE]In January I checked with AT&T about such a service and their only suggestion was to add the "International Day Pass", which costs $12 for every 24-hour period that it is used. It makes your AT&T coverage the same worldwide as it is at home. I think it's a max per billing month of $120. For me, it is much cheaper to get a Thai SIM/ESIM at an airport booth while waiting for luggage, no WiFi required.
30 days' initial validity but it can be extended, in time and data, with top-ups; may not even be necessary for short visits. The THB 199 SIM, touted on YouTube two years ago, is now reserved for Thais only. Just go to a 7/11 and ask for True Move SIM, 30-days, 350 Baht. Not all branches may have stock, or they might only have a more-expensively-charged version. Can also try the independent cellular stalls in shopping centres or at supermarket entrances.
7/11 staff have the registration website on their phone and will take pictures of your passport and face to upload. Registered in 2 minutes, good to go, and don't even need to insert the SIM in your phone. By contrast, the Philippines needs the foregoing for registration, plus accommodation and ticket-out uploads. Then you don't hear back from them and have to go into a Globe store in person to confirm. The Smart network is more efficient if you buy a basic SIM for 49 pesos from any outlet.
In Thailand, you will need a mobile phone number (and donate a selfie), for Grab and Bolt rides and delivery services. They work quite well, use little data allowance, and can be paid by cash or card, if you choose to register one. Wait for collection at an establishment clearly visible on the app and the road. Grab has many more vehicular options at various prices. The unmarked cars arrive in just a few minutes. Mentally note the 4-digit, Roman-numeral plate number.
I sold some gold for the first time ever. It is a easy process. I took my gold to my favorite gold store. They examined it. They weighed it. They calculated the amount I should be paid and they paid me in CASH. THB mother fucks.
[QUOTE=Allover;2989799]please use this forum's excellent search option for gold discussion by T. Conor (the forum expert on gold) and Oakie.[/QUOTE]Please do, but let me save you some time with a quick summery:
TC said I was going to lose my shirt. Only thing that was lost was his face. Oakie said by low sell high. This is more like the constant [B]male bovine excrement[/B] that he spews thinking he can give advice to [B]International Tricks[/B] while being a one country [B]SexPat[/B] that has never visited Thailand. Nothing wrong with the advice per se. But I do make a point not to take financial advice from [B]International Tricks[/B]. Even TC can admit that he called my Thai Gold purchase wrong at the time. Or is he actually man enough to do so. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].
[B]How did that trade go?[/B]
[U]Lets do some trader math[/U]
I bought at 32700/ baht.
I sold at 52650/ baht.
52650 - 32700 = 19,950/ baht increase.
[U]That is a [b]61.01%[/b] increase![/U]
No applause or apologies necessary. I will provide assistance to anyone who needs help finding face. [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].
[QUOTE][b]I don't know what you heard about me; But a ***** can get a 1 BAHT of gold out of me; No Cadillac, no perms, you clearly see; That I'm a motherfuckin' S-I-M-P![/b][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GentileBear;2998861]T-Mobile and Verizon (maybe AT&T?) now include international roaming and calling AND high speed data in their top tier plans. I was able to use my USA number with no extra charges in Pattaya for texting, data or calls. No hassle with trying to ask the girls what the damn wifi pwd is.
Peace![/QUOTE]My T-Mobile plan is shit, so no international roaming for me, but I solve it with a local SIM card. Why not just get a local SIM card? And while you're at it, a smart phone bought locally too. It ain't that pricey. Less than a hundred bucks US. That way, you've completely detached your actual phone with your Thailand hobbying phone.
Anonymity folks! Remember, true peace comes when no one knows who you are.
[QUOTE=NewtonYork;2999561]My T-Mobile plan is shit, so no international roaming for me, but I solve it with a local SIM card. Why not just get a local SIM card? And while you're at it, a smart phone bought locally too. It ain't that pricey. Less than a hundred bucks US. That way, you've completely detached your actual phone with your Thailand hobbying phone.
Anonymity folks! Remember, true peace comes when no one knows who you are.[/QUOTE]I don't understand your obsession with anonymity. Purchase of a Thai SIM card requires passport, so anonymity is lost there. Same deal when you buy a BTS or MRT card. Have you ever checked into a Thailand hotel or flight without showing your passport?
I do recommend you don't give any direct personal information to P4P girls, such as WhatsApp number.
Meeting ISG posters can be fun, I've met about 7 people and don't regret a single meeting.
Just when I thought that I've seen it all, I was browsing YouTube and up popped a video taken at some kind of Chinese dance hall or "dime-a-dance" venue. Turned out that there are dozens and dozens of these videos that look like they are captured on a "spy cam".
In a weird kind of way, it reminded me of a Chinese Thermae. Ha ha ha The gals (90% who look "acceptable") are decked out in party dresses with their hair and make up all done nicely. Their Chinese "tricks" are famously dressed in cargo pants and t-shirts. (Apparently never having looked at Gentleman's Quarterly. LOL).
Anyway, dry humping is the main purpose of these joints (and they seem to be around a lot of cities in China). Too, some mutual ass-grabbing and some tit fondling seems to be on the menu of acceptable behavior. Looks like there is some low key "security" monitoring the "dances" to make sure whatever rules are in place are followed.
Given that the Chinese constitute the largest single source of tourists, I was wondering if anybody has seen or heard of such a dance hall in Thailand. If not, maybe there would be a market for one. Target customers would be those trolling Sukhumvit or Beach road. For the price of a barfine, could probably dry hump your way to a happy ending. Ha ha ha.
You can check out the YouTube videos here (or just query "Chinese dance halls" or "Chinese dance clubs".
Chongqing Sha Dance Hall is the last place of tenderness for the lower classes in China 8-17.
August 10,2024, Chengdu dance club, men like to go.
Chongqing 2025, a group of carefree people in the dance hall, let's dance together.
Sam.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmswZk0als[/URL]
Freedom, freedom from decades of hell.
Get busy livin or get busy dying. That's gawdamn right.
This is a composite report from a 6+ week February-March Thailand trip, it includes experiences from north to south, big cities and small resort towns. I looked at my old travel records and realize that I've now spent cumulative 13 months in Thailand over the last several years. I'm not a newbie, but I don't have massive experience like some do. Sometimes I feel that it isn't 13 months of experience, but rather 1 month of experience repeated 13 times. I like it that way.
I'm an old guy, tall, fat, and I don't speak Thai; I am unappealing to the typical Thai hottie. I consistently used condoms until age 68, but condoms are no longer possible for me. I pre-negotiate BBFSCIP and sometimes showers, 69, and DFK. Put those things together and I'm at a big disadvantage. What I do have is a willingness to part with the world's greatest aphrodisiac, I do what I have to do. Perhaps this is why I'm a broke ass farang.
Nearly all my experiences involved BBFSCIP. Simulated sex (condom) no longer works for me. I've had a vasectomy and do extensive STD testing before travel (all negative), had one mid-trip bacteria STD analysis (all negative), and had extensive post travel STD testing (all negative). My only safety procedures are pre-sex cleaning, immediate post-sex cleaning, and lots of caffeine to maximize urination. I take daily doxy for reasons unrelated to sex, that may or may not help me avoid bacterial STDs. I had one nasty encounter with STDs in 2006, but have been clean since then. Perhaps I've lived a charmed life.
This report is a sampling of my experiences, nothing is earth shaking.
[U]ThaiFriendly[/U]
I prefer meeting girls in person, but sometimes I can't find what I want or I get lazy and just call someone from TF. This trip I had some success and some failure with TF. (a) Found a hottie on TF and even did a successful 2-minute video confirmation call. A short time later, a different (ordinary) girl showed up at my hotel, this is the first time I've ever had a bait-and-switch after a video call. I sent her away without any money. (b) About 2 days later I was having a soft moment and I arranged a 20-year-old girl with great online pictures to join me at my hotel. I didn't even do my standard video call. Upon arrival she was much prettier than her online pictures, but flakey. She was a below average performer in the room, but I still enjoyed it because of her beautiful face, body, skin, and hair. That was about 6 weeks ago and I regret not repeating. (c) About a year ago I met a freelancer while she was working in a tourist-oriented clothing shop. She was an okay performer in bed, but too thin to warrant a repeat last year. This year I found her on TF and pictures showed she had gained some needed weight. When she appeared at my hotel, I was shocked to see that she had gained a lot of weight, perhaps 10-12 kg heavier now than a year ago. Too thin in 2024 and too chubby in 2025. During normal conversation she told me she had stopped working at the clothing shop where we originally met and now works at a doughnut shop. Hmmmmm, weight gain, doughnut shop, could those things be related?
When I search ThaiFriendly, I only look at girls that have been online within the last few minutes, those are the ones who are actively working. For those of you who want to plan P4P encounters days (or weeks) in advance, I encourage you to schedule your dates just an hour or two before you want her to walk through your door. Here is some redacted text from the chubby TF profile: "My what app +* waiting 1 hour for can send messges and please not say to me tomorrow. " That seems to say "don't text me today for a date tomorrow."
[U]Top Massage Experiences.[/U]
My most repeated massage girl was a beautiful spinner with fantastic everything. Because of my special requirements, she charged a premium price of 3500 baht; I didn't care about money, to my eye she is a hottie and good performer. On about our 4th session, she told me she was fertile for the next few days and I could not CIP. WTF? 3 CIPs and now it isn't allowed? I explained my vasectomy and being sterile; she didn't care. She admitted to using the rhythm method for birth control. She claims (and looks) 25-years-old and clearly never had a baby, that alone is remarkable in the erotic massage business. Being the gentleman that I am, I pulled out at the last instant just to keep on good terms. That is much less satisfying than CIP. Normally for me, pulling out stops everything and results in my failure. Since no CIP during 4th session, there was no 5th session. Plus, 4 sessions with one girl are a lot for me.
One afternoon I my plans involved Butterfly massage on Soi 24 in Bangkok. I picked Butterfly due to their history of BBFSCIP for an extra 2000 baht. When I arrived, there were zero girls in front of Butterfly, but next door was Full Moon, which had about 10 girls out front, including 3 or 4 doable girls. I asked mamasan if "no condom" was allowed and she asked the group something in Thai; three girls raised their hands and I opted for the best looking one, who was also the most enthusiastic. I paid the 2300-baht door fee and later, upon stripping down, I gave the girl the 2000-baht tip for BBFS. She provided the best experience of my trip. Sensual showers, DFK, 69, several positions, all with lots of passion. Being old as dirt and having had sex about 14 hours prior, I struggled to finish. For her, failure was not an option. Finally, success! I was very happy and gave an extra 1000-baht tip, to which she replied "that is too much." This was my last session of an extended trip; she was fantastic under difficult situation and I was happy to tip the extra 1000.
One Bangkok morning I decided to get a massage with no extras, but I changed my mind and got full service. When finished, I opened my wallet and only had about 600 baht, not enough to pay the lady. I simply told her the problem and asked if she would like to accompany me to the nearest ATM, which she did. Both the massage and the FS were unimpressive, but her attitude with my missing cash made this a positive experience.
[U]Chiang Mai Massage Shops[/U]
I'm normally drawn to agogo type businesses, but I never found that in Chiang Mai. Only one street freelancer crossed my path over about 10 days. East of the moat are 3 streets that are overrun with erotic massage shops: Sridonchai, Loi Kroh, and Kampangdin. There are likely others, but those are the ones that I discovered. On Sridonchai and Loi Kroh I've only encountered HJ places. But anything goes on Kampangdin between Sridonchai and Tha Phae. One experience on Kampangdin was planned for a foot massage, but before long we were both naked and she was climbing on top without a single word being uttered. No discussions of money, what I want, or condom. After that I found some others on Kampangdin that offered everything, though I never asked about anal (it's not my thing).
[U]Seeing Humor of Thailands 3rd Gender[/U]
One evening I was wandering Sukhumvit Soi 4 with another punter and we watched 2 ladyboys walking into a short time hotel with 2 Asian men, perhaps Korean or Japanese. About 10 minutes later we were retracing our steps when the same 2 ladyboys walked briskly out of the short time hotel without their men. We could only think that 10 minutes was just about right for them to rent the short time rooms, get naked, discover they weren't natural women, and give the demanded payment. It was humorous at the moment, but I hope that never happens to me. Beware!
[U]Nana Plaza[/U]
While alone in Bangkok I go to Nana Plaza almost every night. I've made a few passes through Soi Cowboy, but haven't been impressed since about 2017. Most nights I do short time with one Nana Plaza agogo girl or another. Bar fines are typically 1000 baht and girl fees are normally 3000 baht. Other recent posters have said prices have increased, but I didn't experience it. Most times I'm with an ordinary agogo girl, but one young, beautiful Butterflies hostess drew my interest so I asked about her availability and price; her price was 4900 baht! I'm not sure if that was just her fee or if it included bar fine, she was a true beauty. I never got to the point of asking if she would satisfy my special requirements.
I was sometimes impressed with the soapy stage girls in Geisha, under ideal circumstances they make a lot of money. One busy night I watched 4 men sit at the tub almost continuously handing 20 or 50 baht notes to the 3 girls dancing. When one man ran out of tips, he would leave and quickly be replaced by another man with a fistful of baht. A couple nights later the business was slow while I watched another man sit with a big stack of 100-baht notes, handing the girls one tip after another. Perhaps tipping 100 baht every 30 seconds; I don't know how long he stayed there, but that comes to 12,000 baht per hour! Too rich for my blood. I don't know what joy that man got from handing out that many tips, it's not my thing.
More than half the agogo bars in Nana Plaza have at least a couple of hotties. Pick whichever bar you fancy. I tend to favor one particular bar because I have years of tipping mamasan and she understands my personal requirements and the type of girl that I like. She gives girls instructions to treat me well because I'm a good customer; I've only once been dissatisfied with one of her girls and my negative report to mamasan resulted in an apology from the girl (no refund). I'm not much of a drinker so usually I'll order Coke, juice, or water. The girls often drink their horrible Thai whiskey, not normally a problem for me, though one girl had breath bad enough to knock me over. Next! Sometimes I will meet mamasan outside the bar and arrange a bar fine without ever buying a drink for myself or the girl. A year ago, I had 2 Nana Plaza mamasans who understood me, but one disappeared and I no longer have a backup. I dread the thought of losing my only remaining mamasan. No individual girl or bar is treasured while a good and supportive mamasan is most valued.
When I buy agogo lady drinks, I only buy her only 1 drink. That is enough for me to decide if I want a bar fine. The bars that have 2+ lady drinks minimums get 0 lady drinks from me. I have no interest in getting drunk in a noisy bar with semi-literate Thai girls. Often, I'll ask my bar fine if she wants anything from 7-11 before we get to the room, sometimes they want something like coconut milk, juice, or yogurt, but only once in my 13 months of experience has a girl asked for alcohol.
Normally I change agogo girls nightly, though this last trip I did have one Nana Plaza girl about 4 times. I think of an agogo bar like I think of a hardware store: I find what I want, make the purchase, and get out. Minimum time in the noisy bar. Total cost is typically about 5500-6000 baht including drinks, tips, bar fine, tuk tuk, tip at my hotel reception, and her fee. Paying a little extra today means tomorrow I'll get more positive attention from mamasan and the girls in that bar. I prefer going to my hotel, though occasionally there are reasons to use a short time room near Nana Plaza.
[U]Street Freelancers[/U]
It's getting more difficult to find street freelancers offering BBFS than it was just a couple years ago, though there are still enough. BBFSCIP does not seem to be much of a problem on TF.
I always pre-negotiate room activities while still on the street. Had one girl quote 2000 baht and then I asked about BBFSCIP, she said no problem. Then I asked about shower together, no problem. Then I asked about 69 and kissing, no problem. Then I said "let's go" and her reply was "what will you give me?" I said 2000 baht, to which she refused. Apparently, those additional "no problem" services were problems. It felt like Tijuana where the street girls charge extra for full nudity and extra for multiple positions. If the girls try to nickel and dime me to death, I'll have a shitty time and I won't finish.
Had one night where I just couldn't find what I wanted so I settled for a "below doable" girl for 1000 baht plus 350 baht for a short time room. She was nice enough in the room, but she constantly complained that I'm too big and that "it hurts". After a short time, I just stopped. Didn't finish. Silently showered, dressed, and walked out. That was 1350 baht wasted. I'm probably not the only punter who has wasted money like that.
There are often 1 or 2 cute deaf girls at the Nana Hotel parking lot sign. This trip one of them struck my fancy and she showed me her translator: "1500 baht, 1 hour, condom". I typed "No condom" and she typed "4000 baht". I walked away but regretted it. The next night she asked for 5000 baht, and I walked away. An hour later I came by and she held up 4 fingers. I held up 3 fingers. Eventually we agreed to 3500 baht for everything on my wish list. She was not a great performer, but her face and hair were beautiful (skin and body were not as great as they appeared on the street). Over the years I've been with about 5 deaf girls; 1 was terrible, 3 were average, and 1 was excellent. It's a crap shoot with these girls and you can't really interview them.
[U]Repeats and Line[/U]
I often like repeats, but giving a girl your Line information gets you set up for future money requests when you are on the other side of planet Earth. Too many bull shit reasons like sick buffalo, motorcycle injury, and (get this) an earthquake! I've learned to say "no" when she texts or calls for money. In cases where the girl is either exceptionally beautiful or a wonderful performer, I sometimes send a little money because I want a repeat in the future. I never give out my WhatsApp information because that links directly to my regular cell phone number, which easily links to my full identity.
[U]Bangkok Blow Job Bars[/U]
While in Bangkok I tried Lolita's and Kasalong a couple times, but I failed to finish. There really weren't any hot girls at either place (nor on Soi 7/1), but I wanted to try. Last fall there were some hotties at 7-Heaven, but this trip I was too lazy to walk there and too cheap for a tuk tuk. A decade ago I could cum like a faucet with a BJ. That is no longer the case, now I need BBFS. Getting old sucks.
[U]Bangkok Sukhumvit Soi 7 Bars[/U]
Only about one or two years ago there were a few good options in this cluster of tiny bars, but now it is overloaded with older, unattractive women. I asked two doable girls about potential bar fines and both declined. One very young hottie was quite forward with me and I asked if she was too young to drink alcohol, she responded "buy me a drink." I then asked if she did bar fines and she laughed, turned, and walked away. I got my answer.
[U]Ages[/U]
I'm old as dirt, so even 50 is young compared to me. This trip I had sessions with girls as old as about 55 (unexpected foot massage turned into BBFSCIP) and as young as 18 (verified by her Lao passport). My worst 3 sessions were with girls who were 18,19, and 20; they simply didn't know what to do to arouse a man (or perhaps I was just too disgusting). My best sessions were with girls 22,25, and 26; they still have good looks but they have learned good technique. At this point, I'd prefer a 35-year-old to an 18-year-old. For me, ideal professional age is middle 20's. A couple years ago I preferred middle 30's.
[U]How to Dress[/U]
Various people have posted the importance of dressing well. I did a little experiment regarding how the girls react when I wear different clothes. I'm old and too heavy, I couldn't experiment changing that. My clothes are always clean and ironed, most days I wear the disrespected cargo shorts. I'm always clean and shaven (up top and down below). My experiment involved wearing button down shirt plus running shoes versus simple T-shirt and sandals. As best I can tell, it didn't matter how I dress. The girls are far more interested in the bulge in my pants (wallet) than what those pants look like.
[U]Boner Pill Side Effects[/U]
I am someone who gets nasty congestion, headaches, and fatigue from boner pills. A couple squirts of oxymetazoline (Afrin) plus some ibuprofen helps reduce, but doesn't eliminate, the agony. The side effects get less with daily use after a week or two. This trip I used sildenafil and prior trips I've used tadalafil and/or vardenafil; regardless of medication, the reducing side effects with time is consistent.
I've also used avanafil (Stendra) from time to time, which for me has near zero nasty side effects and is very fast acting (perhaps 20 to 30 minutes from zero power to full power). The problems with avanafil are price ($65 US per pill last time I bought it) and that it only lasts about 30 to 60 minutes. The USA patent on Stendra expired on April 27 and USA generic prices have already reduced to about half; still expensive. If sildenafil, tadalafil, and vardenafil are not to your liking, avanafil might be your answer.
[U]Finances[/U]
I paid for my airlines and hotels using credit cards. Everything else was paid in cash from ATMs. Cash expenses included food, drinks, tips, real massage, taxis, girls, and a few other assorted expenses. My total cash spent averaged 6300 baht per day, the vast majority going to girls (bars, TF, erotic massage, etc.). Again, this is partially why I'm a broke ass farang.
[U]Overview Same Same[/U]
Many people complain that Thailand isn't what it was some years ago. I've only been coming for about a decade, but I don't really see a major change over that time. To my eye and nose, the biggest difference is the mass quantity of cannabis shops and the near constant smell in some areas. Girls look and perform about the same as a decade ago. Prices may have gone up similar to inflation, but not an outrageous increase.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3000272]Found a hottie on TF and even did a successful 2-minute video confirmation call. A short time later, a different (ordinary) girl showed up at my hotel, this is the first time I've ever had a bait-and-switch after a video call..[/QUOTE]LOL. What the hell is this world coming to? Know you want this girl. Even lets you talk to the girl you want. Then sends a girl you do not want like you will either not notice or not care. These mfs are crazy!
Thanks for those reports, HorseTrader!
They were fun and easy reads, providing good info and insights for many punters of any age, imo.
I think I remember seeing the especially cute deaf girl you mentioned stationed in front of Nana Hotel around the time you cited as being in Thailand. She was new to the group, if I am thinking of the same one. I wondered about her myself but did not have the opportunity to partake. She hasn't been around for the past couple of weeks. At least not in that location.
Again, good series of reports!
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;3000272]
My most repeated massage girl was a beautiful spinner with fantastic everything. Because of my special requirements, she charged a premium price of 3500 baht; I didn't care about money, to my eye she is a hottie and good performer. On about our 4th session, she told me she was fertile for the next few days and I could not CIP. WTF? 3 CIPs and now it isn't allowed? I explained my vasectomy and being sterile; she didn't care. She admitted to using the rhythm method for birth control.[/QUOTE]Excellent reports, all of them. Much that can be learned from them, including not being an idiot about giving some obvious scammer money for taxi to fuck off as so many others here seem to do.
I've had the same thing happen about CIP, but who can blame a girl for not being 100% I'm not some lying creep just pretending I had a vasectomy? I would not hold it against her at all, and if she's ok with the calendar method, I'd just bang her the next time her calendar said it was "ok" instead.