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[QUOTE=Calbts; 1165237]In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:

Here is the best guide available:

[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.

I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.

I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.

On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.

I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.

I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.

I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees. [/QUOTE]Good advice man, thanks for that!

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1165302]Maybe so, but wouldn't that also explain why she displayed her true contempt for a farang which she might otherwise not have done had she been sober?[/QUOTE]But how do you know the inebriated one is actually displaying true compempt? In her altered state we will never know. She may have been a former employee of Mistress Midori or Barbar's Club and had flashbacks. There's just too much unknown for anyone here to arrive at a conclusive known based on the little info we have. The OP did handle himself well though, that we know.

Citibank at Asoke DOES NOT charge the 150bt Thai rip off fee. Add US 'State Farm Bank' as another place that will re-imburse ATM fees and has no Visa Add on fee.

[QUOTE=Calbts; 1165237]In regards to ATM fees for US bank cards:

Here is the best guide available:

[url]http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Credit/Debit/ATM_Cards_and_Foreign_Exchange[/url]

In my experience. Citibank outside of the US DOES charge fees (I think 3%) for ATM use with their regular US based account ATM cards. Before 2006 or so it was free at their ATMS. Then it went to 1, then about 2-3 years ago. Now 3. A ripoff.

I do not know if the Asoke Citibank ATM charges the Thailsn 150 baht fee in addition to that.

I exclusively use AEON atms as they are the only ones in Thailand that DO NOT charge the 150 baht ATM fee.

On Rachadapisek there is an AEON in Tesco at Praham 9, and AEON ATM in the Carrefour / BigC, and two ATM's in Robinson's.

I use my NO Fee Schwab ATM / Debit cards with a very good exchange rates to avoid any fees for access to my money in the US.

I also use the Capital One Mastercard which also does not have a ripoff foreign currnecy conversion fees.

I refuse to let the greedy banks get any of my money by nickel and diming me with needless fees. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TigerWoods;1165239]I am in BKK for the first time for longer than 2 nights. Look for a nice contact outside the usual places such as Nana etc. Anybody who can propose a nice girl to stay with? Help is very much appreciated. Thanks[/QUOTE]Most of the girls places aren't really nice enough fo us to stay with them. I suggest you get a hotel room.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]With all due respect, when a Thai treats you in the manner of this BG it is a huge sign of disrespect. It is not playful, it simply shows her contempt for you. It is the ultimate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] take. You not being offended is the point."Look at the stupid farang! I am treating him like a dog and he is laughing," that is the point. No wonder so many Thai / Farang relationships fail. There are just certain aspects of the West that you cannot bring over here.[/QUOTE]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1165210]Once you have established a relationship with a girl what you do in private is one thing, but the public "face" should always be of concern to both of you. If she or you in any way lessens that public "face" it is a pretty grave issue.[/QUOTE]One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1165210]That being said, we do love living here because Thais are very childlike in many ways. The playfulness is great, but respect still needs to be kept in mind. You would probably never grab your Thai gal's ass in public like you would in the US, same holds true for her respecting you.[/QUOTE]I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1165490]At least he seems happy as he's "laughing". Would it be better to see the cup half empty, choosing to assume someone else intended to disrespect you and be feeling sad, angry, and disrespected?

One of my regulars kicked me in the bum. According to Thai customs that is a disrespectful thing to do. If I could know her thoughts I might know if she intended that to purposely disrespect me or if she was just playing, but that's impossible to do. I am not a mind reader.

When I was goofing around in an MP getting a normal massage I attached my foot to a TGs tush. She scolded me and then I remembered you don't do this in Thailand. I apologized, waied to her, told her I forgot about the custom here and that in my country that is considered playing or joking. She forgave me.

One time I was alone with a P4P TG waiting for the hotel elevator. We had just finished steamy hot sweaty sex for hours, but when I tried to kiss her there she ducked away. But with another girl I suggested jokingly we french kiss on the BTS. The funny thing is when we got on it, with a full load of Thai people all around, she not only took the initiative to stick me with her tongue, but also mimick spoon style sex as I stood behind her. Perhaps the Thai kissing police will catch up with us one day, deal with us "gravely" and put us in our place?

I'd probably do it just because I don't have much respect for man made traditions that enslave the masses. I'm sure many Thais also feel the desire to break free from their Victorian and 1920's USA society. Maybe our DC 10 slapper is one of them, eh? Anyone up for grabbing her ass tonight? Don't forget to report back here.

"A tiny little Nana Entertainment Plaza GoGo. A friendly little GoGo with some very aggressive girls albeit a bit worn and some very dark corners to do all sorts of nasty things."[/QUOTE]He waied a working girl. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Primo Bolan;1165617]He waied a working girl. Hehe.[/QUOTE]Seriously? Hahahahaha

After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, [b]WHO[/b] and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;1165675]After several visits to Thailand, doing the boneheaded newbie of waiing back, I learned 'just don't'. Return a smile. That's appreciated. But waiing? Unless you're someone experienced, like NicFrenchy, who knows the custom and ritual, how high to place the fingertips, [b]WHO[/b] and when, forget it. Return a smile, or a nod of the head in acknowledgement.[/QUOTE]Its not bone headed to Wai back, at all. May help to be better accepted in places that don't have many Farangs.

I didn't read the whole thread.

Its better if you do Wai back, or make some attempt or head nod (if your hands are full). Even a one handed Wai if one hand is unavailable. Probably only Royalty and Monks need not Wai back, or newbie Farangs who know no better. The critical thing is to let them Wai first, unless you are visiting someone clearly superior like a monk, when you must Wai first. The higher your fingertips, the higher the level of respect. So fingertips somewhere on the chest to children, and up to your chin or nose for elders and monks. Waiing first to children is silly and indicates you don't understand.

Thias don't want to shake someone's grubby mit, usually. The Wai is a bit like a replacement.

Don't use your feet for anything except standing, walking, football, etc. Thais consider your feet in much worse light than your hands. Don't point at something with your foot. Critical error. A playful kick is probably far too dangerous too.

It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty).

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Correct sir!

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.

On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.

Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.

I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1165844]Correct indeed. Hell, I don't even Wai monks, why should I? I am not religious so to me a monk is a somchai in an orange bathrobe.

On a serious note, I do Wai certain people (Older) if it is going to help my business, otherwise, I do not wai.

Thais do not care if Farangs Wai, they know it's not our culture and it is widely accepted for us not to wai anyone.

I laugh when tourists Wai Cashiers, taxi drivers and the likes. But it's not their fault, they don't really know. [/QUOTE]What is a "somchai"? Did you mean "some guy" like a "John Smith"?"Somchai" is a common Thai given name.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Most people are missing the critical issue with Wais. That is: don't Wai FIRST, unless to a very important person. You can Wai back or give some acknowlegement, just to be polite to them, unless ignoring them.

Its not ridiculous to Wai back to someone of lower status, if she / he waied you first.

Thais of higher status will not Wai you first anyway.

BTW Its okay to compare to cockroaches here, but seriously impolite when talking to Thais, to compare other Thais with low class animals.

[QUOTE=Mangofan; 1165819]It always makes me laugh whenever I see guys giving wais to bargirls. It would be more appropriate to wai the cockroaches on the floor.

In my experience, you do not wai anyone who has lower status than you, and you do not wai anyone younger than you (except for monks and royalty). [/QUOTE]Wrong.

The higher status (or older person) should not WAI FIRST.

The lower status (or younger person) should wai first and then it is at the discretion of the other person to wai back.

It is considered good and decent to return a wai irrespective of the persons class.

Times which you may consider not returning a wai are if you do not know the person (eg a sales assistant or airport staff etc.).

In this example if the customer knows the bar girl, and she wai's to the customer it could be considered ill mannered and ignorant of the person not to return a simple wai.

So you are very wrong on your understanding. And you need to correct your understanding.